Google: Android activations to total 900 million this year

[Goblin]

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57584484-93/google-android-activations-to-total-900-million-this-year/?tag=nl.e703&s_cid=e703&ttag=e703

"Google's Android software has become the most-used mobile operating
system in the world. Canalys last week said Android ran about 60 percent
of all smart devices -- phones, tablets, and notebooks -- shipped in the
first quarter, while iOS came in second with 19 percent share. While
Android still lags iOS in tablets, it's starting to pick up steam, much
as it did before dominating smartphones."


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[Justin]

On Wed, 15 May 2013 20:12:23 +0100, Goblin wrote:

> http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57584484-93/google-android-activations-

to-total-900-million-this-year/?tag=nl.e703&s_cid=e703&ttag=e703
>
> "Google's Android software has become the most-used mobile operating
> system in the world. Canalys last week said Android ran about 60 percent
> of all smart devices -- phones, tablets, and notebooks -- shipped in the
> first quarter, while iOS came in second with 19 percent share. While
> Android still lags iOS in tablets, it's starting to pick up steam, much
> as it did before dominating smartphones."

In other news, Android malware infections are to total 899,999,999. The
remaining one person didn't have enough battery power to download anything.

[Goblin]

On 15/05/13 22:05, Justin wrote:
> "Google's Android software has become the most-used mobile operating
system in the world. Canalys last week said Android ran about 60 percent
of all smart devices -- phones, tablets, and notebooks -- shipped in the
first quarter, while iOS came in second with 19 percent share. While
Android still lags iOS in tablets, it's starting to pick up steam, much
as it did before dominating smartphones."

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57584484-93/google-android-activations-to-total-900-million-this-year/?tag=nl.e703&s_cid=e703&ttag=e703

[Justin]

On Wed, 15 May 2013 22:12:07 +0100, Goblin wrote:

"During the last quarter, Google's leading mobile OS accounted for 91 percent of all known mobile malware, up from 79 percent in 2012."

http://www.realcleartechnology.com/articles/2013/05/15/androids_growing_malware_problem_435.html

[Goblin]

They say imitation is the highest form of flattery (no pun intended)

Sincerely yours,

Timmie Wilson.

[Justin]

On Thu, 16 May 2013 00:08:01 +0100, Goblin wrote:

> On 15/05/13 23:51, Justin wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 May 2013 22:12:07 +0100, Goblin wrote:
>>
>> "During the last quarter, Google's leading mobile OS accounted for 91 percent of all known mobile malware, up from 79 percent in 2012."
>>
>> http://www.realcleartechnology.com/articles/2013/05/15/androids_growing_malware_problem_435.html
>>
>
> They say imitation is the highest form of flattery (no pun intended)
>
> Sincerely yours,
>
> Timmie Wilson.

Posting links is imitation?

[Snit]

On 5/15/13 7:16 PM, in article pan.2013.05...@hatespam.edu,

Posting links is imitation?



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[Goblin]

On 16/05/13 03:30, Snit wrote:
> On 5/15/13 7:16 PM, in article pan.2013.05...@hatespam.edu,
> "Justin" <justinthe...@hatespam.edu> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 16 May 2013 00:08:01 +0100, Goblin wrote:
>>
>>> On 15/05/13 23:51, Justin wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 15 May 2013 22:12:07 +0100, Goblin wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "During the last quarter, Google's leading mobile OS accounted for 91
>>>> percent of all known mobile malware, up from 79 percent in 2012."
>>>>
>>>> http://www.realcleartechnology.com/articles/2013/05/15/androids_growing_malw
>>>> are_problem_435.html
>>>>
>>>
>>> They say imitation is the highest form of flattery (no pun intended)
>>>
>>> Sincerely yours,
>>>
>>> Timmie Wilson.
>>
>> Posting links is imitation?
>
> Posting links is imitation?
>
>
>

No. Copying the idea of quoting the article in a reply is....check back
if you forgot. I quote "Justin" saying the text of the article in which
I created the thread with, Justin replies by quoting another article in
mine. Get it?

[Cola Zealot]

Goblin wrote:
> On 16/05/13 03:30, Snit wrote:
>> On 5/15/13 7:16 PM, in article pan.2013.05...@hatespam.edu,
>> "Justin" <justinthe...@hatespam.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 16 May 2013 00:08:01 +0100, Goblin wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 15/05/13 23:51, Justin wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 15 May 2013 22:12:07 +0100, Goblin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "During the last quarter, Google's leading mobile OS accounted
>>>>> for 91 percent of all known mobile malware, up from 79 percent in
>>>>> 2012."
>>>>> http://www.realcleartechnology.com/articles/2013/05/15/androids_growing_malw
>>>>> are_problem_435.html
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They say imitation is the highest form of flattery (no pun
>>>> intended) Sincerely yours,
>>>>
>>>> Timmie Wilson.
>>>
>>> Posting links is imitation?
>>
>> Posting links is imitation?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> No. Copying the idea of quoting the article in a reply is....check
> back if you forgot. I quote "Justin" saying the text of the article
> in which I created the thread with, Justin replies by quoting another
> article in mine. Get it?

Why do you still post here Timmy Wilson?
Oh dear, you love to troll here isn't it?
Or....., COLA has more posts on 1 day than G+ advocacy in 1 week (it's dead)
However you're fraudulent butt buddy Dietrich of G+ needs you, did you make
your donation yet?, bwahahahaaah!!

[flatfish+++]

I....I.... and I.....
with a pinch of "mine" thrown in for good measure.

Lol!

What a self absorbed boob that Goblin is.


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[Goblin]

On 16/05/13 13:49, Cola Zealot wrote:
> Why do you still post here Timmy Wilson?
> Oh dear, you love to troll here isn't it?

Lets compare post counts shall we? Lets look at the content of what we
post. I still read COLA...I still quote it over on G+ and I still
occasionally comment. - You don't like that do you?

Microsoft Advocacy lost if you didn't hear....Its only on Usenet where
you get away with your filth now.

> Or....., COLA has more posts on 1 day than G+ advocacy in 1 week (it's dead)

I don't know what G+ community you refer to, G+ advocacy? eh? Check out
how many people use it...oh you do...you are telling lies.

> However you're fraudulent butt buddy Dietrich of G+ needs you, did you make your donation yet?

Typical Microsoft Advocacy, get nasty when you lose.

I don't know Dietrich, Ive posted to maybe 5 posts in his community and
until the day before yesterday, had completely missed out on the drama
thats ensued which has many in the Linux community turning their backs
on him.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

After swilling some grog, Goblin belched this bit o' wisdom:

> On 16/05/13 13:49, Cola Zealot wrote:
>> Why do you still post here Timmy Wilson?
>> Oh dear, you love to troll here isn't it?
>
> Lets compare post counts shall we? Lets look at the content of what we
> post. I still read COLA...I still quote it over on G+ and I still
> occasionally comment. - You don't like that do you?
>
> Microsoft Advocacy lost if you didn't hear....Its only on Usenet where
> you get away with your filth now.
>
>> Or....., COLA has more posts on 1 day than G+ advocacy in 1 week (it's dead)
>
> I don't know what G+ community you refer to, G+ advocacy? eh? Check out
> how many people use it...oh you do...you are telling lies.

First, there are a *lot* on Linux-related G+ communities.

Second, the posting count here in COLA is mainly due to the defecations
of nasty trolls.

>> However you're fraudulent butt buddy Dietrich of G+ needs you, did you make your donation yet?
>
> Typical Microsoft Advocacy, get nasty when you lose.
>
> I don't know Dietrich, Ive posted to maybe 5 posts in his community and
> until the day before yesterday, had completely missed out on the drama
> thats ensued which has many in the Linux community turning their backs
> on him.

It's pretty funny, in a way. I don't mind Dietrich's
quirks/overreactions, and I think the reason is that my sensitivity to
insult has been blunted by the constant hammering of insane trolss here
in COLA.

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[flatfish+++]

On Thu, 16 May 2013 10:23:36 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:


> It's pretty funny, in a way. I don't mind Dietrich's
> quirks/overreactions, and I think the reason is that my sensitivity to
> insult has been blunted by the constant hammering of insane trolss here
> in COLA.

Apparently your sense of reason has been "blunted" as well.
Does your wife know you just tossed away $100 on some lazy Linux
user?
She ain't gonna be happy.

[William Poaster]

Goblin wrote:

> On 16/05/13 13:49, Cola Zealot wrote:
>> Why do you still post here Timmy Wilson?
>> Oh dear, you love to troll here isn't it?

Oh, the irony!

> Lets compare post counts shall we? Lets look at the content of what we
> post. I still read COLA...I still quote it over on G+ and I still
> occasionally comment. - You don't like that do you?
>
> Microsoft Advocacy lost if you didn't hear....Its only on Usenet where
> you get away with your filth now.
>
>> Or....., COLA has more posts on 1 day than G+ advocacy in 1 week (it's dead)
>
> I don't know what G+ community you refer to, G+ advocacy? eh? Check out
> how many people use it...oh you do...you are telling lies.

And he has no idea how many posts there are in the private advocacy group.
;-)
Furthermore the fact that COLA *may* have more posts in one day, is due to
the fact that the CZ trolling fuckwit & his wintroll pals are posting their
scatology in the newsgroup as much as they can.

>> However you're fraudulent butt buddy Dietrich of G+ needs you, did you make your donation yet?
>
> Typical Microsoft Advocacy, get nasty when you lose.

Yup. And hire ex-cons & second-rate "film stars" to disparage GNU/Linux.

> I don't know Dietrich, Ive posted to maybe 5 posts in his community and
> until the day before yesterday, had completely missed out on the drama
> thats ensued which has many in the Linux community turning their backs
> on him.
>

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[-hh]

Interesting that hardware sales don't come close to these "activations"

-hh

[bbgruff]

-hh wrote:

> Interesting that hardware sales don't come close to these "activations"
>
> -hh

Really?

"First-quarter 2013 shipments of “smart mobile devices,” including
notebooks, tablets, and smartphones, swelled by 37.4 percent year-on-year to
308.7 million units, reports mobile market analyst Canalys. From the
operating system perspective, Android grabbed a healthy majority of units
shipped, at 59.5 percent."

Those 308.7 million sound like *sales* to me.
59.5% were Android.
Thus, 184 million *sales* in Q1

Google's "1.5 million activations a day" looks very conservative, doesn't
it? Presumably because Google count only Google Play acivations?
Put it another way, the OP was talking Sales.
You are quite right that the sales don't come close to "activations" - the
sales are about 136% of claimed activations!

[-hh]

Worldwide sales of smartphones & tablets in 2012 was in round numbers, 600 million units.

Of this, very roughly 1/3rd was iOS ... Ie, roughly 200 of that 600.

Of the 400 "non-iOS" remaining, ignore RIM, MS, etc. and assume it's all Android ... and Andriod(TM). Assume that Amazon's and other non-Google is forks are but 25% (although with China, this is probably a gross under-estimate): the 400M becomes 300M.

So the REAL hardware from 2012 which would be Google Android(TM) "activation" applicable was basically 1/3rd of what is being predicted for activations in 2013.

YMMW, but between numbers like this + Google's continued obfuscation on the definition of 'activation' + a lack of sales forecasts that sales are going to triple this year + etc. ... It is quite plain that the disposable SIM market has to be a big chunk of the stuff that Google's trying to take credit for. Furthermore, consumer behavior being what it is, this also suggests that Google's counting the same individuals again and again and again...

-hh

[bbgruff]

-hh wrote:

> Worldwide sales of smartphones & tablets in 2012 was in round numbers, 600
> million units.

No.
721 million smartphones (or 701, depending who you believe)
128 million tablets

That's 850 million, not 600 million

> Of this, very roughly 1/3rd was iOS ... Ie, roughly 200 of that 600.

No.
iOS was on 136 million smartphones, and about 60 million tablets,
That leaves you 650 million to "worry about", not 400 million.

> Of the 400 "non-iOS" remaining, ignore RIM, MS, etc. and assume it's all
> Android ... and Andriod(TM). Assume that Amazon's and other non-Google is
> forks are but 25% (although with China, this is probably a gross
> under-estimate): the 400M becomes 300M.

Then, since it's 650 million, the 650 million becomes 470 or 480 million.
I thought Google claimed 500 million activations for the year, so it looks
as though you are about right if you use the correct sales figures.

> So the REAL hardware from 2012 which would be Google Android(TM)
> "activation" applicable was basically 1/3rd of what is being predicted for
> activations in 2013.

No, it's about half what you (and some others) *think* is being predicted
for 2013 - but see below.

> YMMW, but between numbers like this + Google's continued obfuscation on
> the definition of 'activation' + a lack of sales forecasts that sales are
> going to triple this year + etc. ... It is quite plain that the disposable
> SIM market has to be a big chunk of the stuff that Google's trying to take
> credit for. Furthermore, consumer behavior being what it is, this also
> suggests that Google's counting the same individuals again and again and
> again...

I think you are wrong.
Also, for what it's worth, I think the article ref. the original post in
this thread also has it wrong.

I believe that what was actually said was that "Total Android activations
(on Google) is NOW 900 million"

Last year, it was stated as 400 million total.

The year before (2011), it was stated as 100 million total.

Thus, we've had a year-on-year increase in the TOTAL of 300 million, then
500 million.

[-hh]

On May 17, 3:26 pm, bbgruff <bbgr...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> -hh wrote:
> > Worldwide sales of smartphones & tablets in 2012 was in round numbers, 600
> > million units.
>
> No.
> 721 million smartphones (or 701, depending who you believe)

701 at best. Inventory stuffing is rampant, and other than Apple,
*who* actually releases sales numbers?

{crickets!}

> 128 million tablets
>
> That's 850 million, not 600 million

At best, its ~730 units, but of that, there's 85 million "other"
smartphones, which puts the real working number down to around 650.

Which means that you're now niggling about a 10% variance from what I
said, in an industry where 2/3rds of the players NEVER release real
sales numbers.

> > Of this, very roughly 1/3rd was iOS ... Ie, roughly 200 of that 600.
>
> No.
> iOS was on 136 million smartphones, and about 60 million tablets,

So 136+60 = 196 ... and you're trying to niggle that that isn't close
enough to 200?

We're done here.



-hh

[bbgruff]

No!
196 is quite close enough to 200.
What I *am* niggling about is that you are still trying to get 650 million
down to 400 million to suit your agenda, and I'm telling you that you are
wrong.

> We're done here.

Too bloody right we are "done" sunshine.
I'll perhaps chip in again with some facts next time you come along here
inventing numbers.

Cheers.

[-hh]

http://www.mobilemag.com/2013/01/28/android-clear-leader-in-2012/

There's the cite that mentioned the 85M "other" ... and after Apple's
subtracted off, Android is left with 479M smartphones.

Sure, add in the non-iOS tablets...that's roughly 25 million IRRC, but
now we start subtracting off of this all of the non-Google "Androids"
in this top number.

China's Baidu smartphone (Changhong H5018) was ~60M units, plus
another ~10M between Nooks (Color) & Kindles (Fire), so the first
refinement cut estimate goes to 479+25-60-10 = 434.


FYI, the marginalization of Google *out* of Android has been ongoing
for awhile now. Here's a 2011 article:

http://searchengineland.com/baidu-squeezing-google-out-on-chinese-android-phones-74887

The bottom line is that with 900 million consumers in China and with
80% of the sales of Android in that market going to Baidu ... and not
getting Google "activations" ... the evidence continues to mount that
the Google 'activation' metric is at best weakly linked to real mobile
handset/tablet sales.

...and that's why Google continues to tout "activations" with their
conveniently vague definition of what it, if anything, actually
means. Google's had a good run, but I've chosen to eliminate it from
my investment portfolio...impression rates on mobile (vs desktop)
continue to slide and the consumer's transition from desktop to mobile
isn't going to stop anytime soon.




-hh

[Jeff-Relf.Me]

 
VoIP will CRUSH cell phones.

VoIP is cheaper and "mobile" is way overrated.

[bbgruff]

Well, you seem to be getting nearer to the mark now.
My contention is that (as Google says) there were 500 million activations of
Android in the Google store in the 12 months from May 2012 to May 2013.

You seem to have come to the conclusion that there were 434 million for
Google in the calendar year 2012.

You have made two errors in trying to calculate the Google tally.

1. You allow for only 25 million "non-iOS" tablets.

ANDROID tablet sales were 8.0 million in Q1 2012, and 27.8 million in Q1
2013. If you will allow me to round VERY sightly, and assume a straight
line, that would give:-
Q1 2012 8.0 million
Q2 2012 13.0 million
Q3 2012 18.0 million
Q4 2012 23.0 million
Q1 2013 28.0 million

Therefore, rather than your 20 million, you should have 62 million for 2012
BUT for April to April, we get 82 million (62 -8 +28) - so add 62 million to
you figure when comparing with the Google quote.

2. Again, with smartphones, you are starting with 701 million Android.
That's the whole of 2012.

Q1 of 2012 saw 84 million Android smartphones sold, which became 156 million
in Q1 2013. Therefore, you need to add a further 72 million Android
smartphones to your total (factored as you wish) to bring the figure to
April-to-April, in addition to the additional 62 million extra tablets, to
get the annual totals from Q2 2012 to Q1 2013 incl.
That's an EXTRA 134 million Android devices!

I have absolutely no problem in believing the Google statement of "500
million activations in the past 12 months", given that the statement was
made in May.

> FYI, the marginalization of Google *out* of Android has been ongoing
> for awhile now. Here's a 2011 article:
>
> http://searchengineland.com/baidu-squeezing-google-out-on-chinese-android-
phones-74887
>
> The bottom line is that with 900 million consumers in China and with
> 80% of the sales of Android in that market going to Baidu ... and not
> getting Google "activations" ... the evidence continues to mount that
> the Google 'activation' metric is at best weakly linked to real mobile
> handset/tablet sales.

We seem to be agreeing then that the number of Android devices sold (phones
and tablets) greatly exceeds the Google-quoted activation numbers.

> ...and that's why Google continues to tout "activations" with their
> conveniently vague definition of what it, if anything, actually
> means.

I don't quite follow that.
Google is quoting what Google sees.
You have shown that the Google figure is correct, but that there are FAR
more Android devices sold than Google sees!

> Google's had a good run, but I've chosen to eliminate it from
> my investment portfolio...impression rates on mobile (vs desktop)
> continue to slide and the consumer's transition from desktop to mobile
> isn't going to stop anytime soon.

I'm certainly not advising which shares you should buy/not buy, merely
pointing out that Google's figure of "1.5 million Android activations a day"
is correct (as you have shown), but that Android device sales are probably
more like 2.2 million a day currently, again as you have shown.

Indeed, Google made the staement that some time in the next few months,
there will be over one billion Google-activated Android users.
You seem to have shown that some time this year, Android users will exceed
the number of Windows users (1.3 to 1.5 billion?)

[bbgruff]

bbgruff wrote:

> 2. Again, with smartphones, you are starting with 701 million Android.
> That's the whole of 2012.

No you didn't!

That should read "701 million smartphones"! Sorry!
Remainder stands

[Ezekiel]

"Goblin" <bytes...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:o7Rkt.98766$a77....@fx18.fr7...
> http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57584484-93/google-android-activations-to-total-900-million-this-year/?tag=nl.e703&s_cid=e703&ttag=e703
>

And 99% of them can be hacked by a script kiddy. LOL.

Android has 1000x as many viruses and vulnerabilities as Windows phone and
iPhone combined.

Android is the malware Swiss Cheese OS that is insecure by design.


<quote>
Uncovering Android Master Key That Makes 99% of Devices Vulnerable

Bluebox Labs - recently discovered a vulnerability in Android's security
model that allows a hacker to modify APK code without breaking an
application's cryptographic signature, to turn any legitimate application
into a malicious Trojan, completely unnoticed by the app store, the phone,
or the end user. The implications are huge! This vulnerability, around at
least since the release of Android 1.6 (codename: "Donut" ), could affect
any Android phone released in the last 4 years1 - or nearly 900 million
devices

Installation of a Trojan application from the device manufacturer can grant
the application full access to Android system and all applications (and
their data) currently installed. The application then not only has the
ability to read arbitrary application data on the device (email, SMS
messages, documents, etc.), retrieve all stored account & service passwords,
it can essentially take over the normal functioning of the phone and control
any function thereof (make arbitrary phone calls, send arbitrary SMS
messages, turn on the camera, and record calls).

Finally, and most
unsettling, is the potential for a hacker to take advantage of the
always-on, always-connected, and always-moving (therefore hard-to-detect)
nature of these "zombie" mobile devices to create a botnet.
</quote>