SUSE 10 is fantastic
casioc...@gmail.com
I should've just installed it from the start.
It autodetected my monitor perfectly, crn p1500 1600x1200 at 78, sound
card and all. Best distro hardware detection I've come across so far.
Also, it looks so polished. It's so clear this is a big name OS. The
finish is immaculate. Nothing cheesy about it - no jarring brown, no
dancing penguins, none of that. I liken it to Mac OS X in its looks.
Rebooting into Windows XP makes the microsoft OS feels like a poor
man's choice.
It's user-friendly and suitable for newbies yet it's also an
instustrial-strength rock-solid enterprise OS, stable and reliable.
DFS
> I should've just installed it from the start.
>
> It autodetected my monitor perfectly, crn p1500 1600x1200 at 78, sound
> card and all. Best distro hardware detection I've come across so far.
It's kind of funny that monitor and hardware recognition gets Linux users
excited - kind of says it all about that OS...
> Also, it looks so polished. It's so clear this is a big name OS. The
> finish is immaculate. Nothing cheesy about it - no jarring brown, no
> dancing penguins, none of that. I liken it to Mac OS X in its looks.
> Rebooting into Windows XP makes the microsoft OS feels like a poor
> man's choice.
>
> It's user-friendly and suitable for newbies yet it's also an
> instustrial-strength rock-solid enterprise OS, stable and reliable.
How about a screenshot?
7
> casioc...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I should've just installed it from the start.
>>
>> It autodetected my monitor perfectly, crn p1500 1600x1200 at 78, sound
>> card and all. Best distro hardware detection I've come across so far.
>
> It's kind of funny that monitor and hardware recognition gets Linux users
> excited - kind of says it all about that OS...
Whoa DFS!
It must stink in windope la la land
now that GNU/Linux has better hardware support
out of the box than any other Operating Syndrome out there and you
have to bow before it as superior technology.
Stephanie Mannerz
> DFS wrote:
>
>> casioc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> I should've just installed it from the start.
>>>
>>> It autodetected my monitor perfectly, crn p1500 1600x1200 at 78, sound
>>> card and all. Best distro hardware detection I've come across so far.
>>
>> It's kind of funny that monitor and hardware recognition gets Linux users
>> excited - kind of says it all about that OS...
>
> Whoa DFS!
> It must stink in windope la la land
> now that GNU/Linux has better hardware support
> out of the box than any other Operating Syndrome out there and you
> have to bow before it as superior technology.
Oh yea, I believe you.
Really I do.
Unfortunately, all these people don't believe you.
http://www.linuxsucks.org/read.html?postid=8648&replies=127&page=1
Now let's see, we have Nvidia and ATI and obviously ATI could care less
about Linux.
So.....
Draw your own conclusions.
steph
John Bailo
> It's kind of funny that monitor and hardware recognition gets Linux users
> excited - kind of says it all about that OS...
Yes, its the first OS of any kind to do that really well!
(OSX doesn't count, they only have like 3 choices in hardware).
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John Bailo
> http://www.linuxsucks.org/read.html?postid=8648&replies=127&page=1
You can take the pill out from between your cheek and your tongue and
swallow it now.
Stephanie Mannerz
> Stephanie Mannerz wrote:
>
>
>> http://www.linuxsucks.org/read.html?postid=8648&replies=127&page=1
>
> You can take the pill out from between your cheek and your tongue and
> swallow it now.
Of course we can always bring up your Soundblaster 24 bit thread now can't
we Bailo?
Going catatonic and into mass denial is no way to go through life son.
steph..
John Bailo
> Of course we can always bring up your Soundblaster 24 bit thread now can't
> we Bailo?
Go ahead and bring it up.
Problem was resolved in two ways
(a) I bought a $13 card that was on the Suse hardware compatibility list.
It sounds fantastic and the driver for it in Suse 10.0 is better than ever.
I was listening to some great music this morning from the free streaming
station, Last.fm, whose player utilizes the fantastic Amarok api.
(b) that card is now supported by ALSA. But one thing I've noticed is:
check out some of your computer cards some times. See how many of them use
the "Windows flag colors" (blue, red, green, yellow) on things like the
jacks or connectors. It's a subtle form of OS-racism, displaying
Linux-Need-Not-Apply to that hardware. Still, ALSA beat 'em and made the
driver.
I only wish that I had bought the $13 C-media card before the expensive and
buggy Windos oriented SB.
> Going catatonic and into mass denial is no way to go through life son.
Still, if you would, we'd all be a lot happier.
It's that way »»»»»»
DFS, Words fail me, you are such a 24 caret DIPSTICK
Stephanie Mannerz
That sounds like Linux allright.
Buy the CHEAP, shit, noisy, outdated card and it will work fine.
Try and use the latest, quiet, distortion free, high bit card and Linux
will fall flat on it's face.
Of course you can wait a year or so and maybe, that card might be
supported by Linux.
Gee, I think the 24 bit Soundblaster might actually work now.
Of course all features DON'T work, but at least you might be able to get
it to squeek with Linux.
Yep that's the Linux way.
Kepp trying hardware until you find one that some misfit kid saw fit to
reverse engineer a driver for.
So what did you do with all those CD's that came with you soundblaster 24
bit?
You mean they didn't work with Linux?
Surely you can't be serious.
Blood Money
DFS wrote:
> casioc...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I should've just installed it from the start.
> >
> > It autodetected my monitor perfectly, crn p1500 1600x1200 at 78, sound
> > card and all. Best distro hardware detection I've come across so far.
>
> It's kind of funny that monitor and hardware recognition gets Linux users
> excited - kind of says it all about that OS...
Like you when you finally find your penis.
Blood Money
Sure thing flatfish. (I see you hooked yourself a GMail account and will
probably send yourself the other 49 to use as nyms for Usenet). Regardless...
A website named "linuxsucks.org" ?
You're just pathetic.
Blood Money
He probably sold them to a dumbass Windows user for a 50% profit. That's
what I did 4 years ago with my old video card & software.
I got the idea from this guy...
http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20000811/index.html
DFS
> DFS, Words fail me, you are such a 24 caret DIPSTICK
I try.
Sinister Midget
> Sure thing flatfish. (I see you hooked yourself a GMail account and will
> probably send yourself the other 49 to use as nyms for Usenet). Regardless...
Flattard can go on with that particular scam forever. S/H/It can take
all of those invites and use each to get 50 more names. Each of those
names gets 50 more invites. Then s/h/it canuse those to invite
s/h/itself some more times and get 50 each.
There are probably going to be hundreds of thousand more gmail trolls
in the coming days/months/years unless google finds a way to nip this.
I guess I'll just crank out a gmail filter or two.
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Stephanie Mannerz
Yea, just like this one you'll find all over google when you search on
Linux+sucks.
(Obviously a haven for freebsd zealots).
Can't follow a thread and debate the points I see.
Grow up already, or go home to mama where you belong.
steph...
chrisv
>Whoa DFS!
Why even respond to that piece of garbage?
chrisv
>DFS wrote:
Yeah. Feed the troll.
GreyCloud
> On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 00:26:28 +0000, 7 wrote:
>
>
>>DFS wrote:
>>
>>
>>>casioc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>I should've just installed it from the start.
>>>>
>>>>It autodetected my monitor perfectly, crn p1500 1600x1200 at 78, sound
>>>>card and all. Best distro hardware detection I've come across so far.
>>>
>>>It's kind of funny that monitor and hardware recognition gets Linux users
>>>excited - kind of says it all about that OS...
>>
>>Whoa DFS!
>>It must stink in windope la la land
>>now that GNU/Linux has better hardware support
>>out of the box than any other Operating Syndrome out there and you
>>have to bow before it as superior technology.
>
>
>
> Oh yea, I believe you.
> Really I do.
> Unfortunately, all these people don't believe you.
>
> http://www.linuxsucks.org/read.html?postid=8648&replies=127&page=1
>
Oh really? I guess that puts them into the category of lusers then.
I noticed a bug in VS-6.0 using C. Under gcc, what M$ let go by, gcc
caught as an error.
It's the little things that build up to the 65,000 bugs in XP.
> Now let's see, we have Nvidia and ATI and obviously ATI could care less
> about Linux.
Bunk! Go to Nvidias website and you'll find plenty of Linux support.
> So.....
> Draw your own conclusions.
You're a wintroll. One that loves monopoly crapware.
Roy Schestowitz
See sig. Nothing beats SuSE Linux. Any other distro is a compromise. If you
merely run a Web server, Debian might be fine, even the ricer's Gentoo.
For anything else:
(from scratch i.e. installation to a working state with KDE, FVWM, etc.)
I also have some arbitrary daily screenshots, if anyone has time to burn,
at:
http://baine.smb.man.ac.uk:8001/archive/images.html
Roy
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Jafar As-Sadiq Calley
> That sounds like Linux allright.
>
> Buy the CHEAP, shit, noisy, outdated card and it will work fine.
>
> Try and use the latest, quiet, distortion free, high bit card and Linux
> will fall flat on it's face.
I have several high end soundcards that work fine in Linux natively
including the Korg 1212 which by the way does not work(no driver
available) in Windows XP.
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spi...@freenet.co.uk
> On 2005-10-16, Blood Money <barry.m...@soon.com> posted something concerning:
>
>> Sure thing flatfish. (I see you hooked yourself a GMail account and will
>> probably send yourself the other 49 to use as nyms for Usenet). Regardless...
>
> Flattard can go on with that particular scam forever. S/H/It can take
> all of those invites and use each to get 50 more names. Each of those
> names gets 50 more invites. Then s/h/it canuse those to invite
> s/h/itself some more times and get 50 each.
>
> There are probably going to be hundreds of thousand more gmail trolls
> in the coming days/months/years unless google finds a way to nip this.
> I guess I'll just crank out a gmail filter or two.
>
I checked my gmail account last night and noticed I had a hundred invites.
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> On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 17:49:44 -0700, John Bailo wrote:
>
>> Stephanie Mannerz wrote:
>>
>>
>>> http://www.linuxsucks.org/read.html?postid=8648&replies=127&page=1
>>
>> You can take the pill out from between your cheek and your tongue and
>> swallow it now.
>
> Of course we can always bring up your Soundblaster 24 bit thread now can't
> we Bailo?
So, the soundblaster 24 will work out of the box in windows will it?
Or would you mayhap, need to insert the driver disk that was provided by the
manufacturer and install that? You would? Thought so.
So you didn't even contradict mr bailo there. Linux does beat windows with
out-of-the-box driver support.
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MarkG
> casioc...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>I should've just installed it from the start.
>>
>>It autodetected my monitor perfectly, crn p1500 1600x1200 at 78, sound
>>card and all. Best distro hardware detection I've come across so far.
>
>
> It's kind of funny that monitor and hardware recognition gets Linux users
> excited - kind of says it all about that OS...
Yes, it is kind of exciting to be able to plug in a device, and
for it to be recognized immediately, and work within a couple of
minutes (actually, often seconds) as opposed the usual 20-30 minute
driver install and reboot under Windows.
MarkG
[snip]
>
> Oh yea, I believe you.
> Really I do.
> Unfortunately, all these people don't believe you.
>
> http://www.linuxsucks.org/read.html?postid=8648&replies=127&page=1
>
> Now let's see, we have Nvidia and ATI and obviously ATI could care less
> about Linux.
> So.....
> Draw your own conclusions.
>
> steph
Hmm. "Linuxsuck.org", yes, a well known font of all knowledge
concerning all aspects of Linux, NOT. I don't believe
many people would take seriously the opinions of a web
site that is obviously anti Linux, in the same way
that nobody is going to take seriously a nym shifting
idiot like you, eh, Stephenie Flatfish.
casioc...@gmail.com
DFS wrote:
> casioc...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I should've just installed it from the start.
> >
> > It autodetected my monitor perfectly, crn p1500 1600x1200 at 78, sound
> > card and all. Best distro hardware detection I've come across so far.
>
> It's kind of funny that monitor and hardware recognition gets Linux users
> excited - kind of says it all about that OS...
>
Hey, shut up, I had to go online, search for, and install drivers for
windows xp, for both the video card and monitor. SUSE did it right out
of the box. Also, I had to use a floppy to install windows on my SATA
drives. That was a BIG pain in the neck.
SUSE has better hardware detection than windows XP.
>
> > Also, it looks so polished. It's so clear this is a big name OS. The
> > finish is immaculate. Nothing cheesy about it - no jarring brown, no
> > dancing penguins, none of that. I liken it to Mac OS X in its looks.
> > Rebooting into Windows XP makes the microsoft OS feels like a poor
> > man's choice.
> >
> > It's user-friendly and suitable for newbies yet it's also an
> > instustrial-strength rock-solid enterprise OS, stable and reliable.
>
> How about a screenshot?
Google for suse 10.0 screenshots on osdir
Jim Richardson
Hash: SHA1
I use a USB thumbdrive daily, on Linux, and XP. With my Linux laptop,
plug in the drive into the usb port, and it is mounted, and a little
icon pops up on the desktop. When I am done, rt click, select unmount,
and remove it.
With XP, plug it in. Most of the time, a requester pops up, asking me
what I want to do. (browse files, nothing, import photos, etc) select
browse files (duh!) Do whatever I was needing to do. Then.... click on
the little icon in the task bar, select stop hardware, up pops a dialog,
select the USB drive (which is present three times, by the name of the
volume "Lexar Media" as a numbered drive, and something else I can't
recall at the moment.) select one of them, click stop. Get told it can't
stop now, select it again, click stop, finally, it's stopped, and I get
the "it's safe to remove hardware" notice.
Much simpler in Linux.
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William Poaster
console, was as follows:
Hmmm.....notice the phrase "...could care less....". A short time back
there was a discussion in a thread about "couldn't care less" & "could
care less"..by "Bob" IIRC. Odd how it's cropped up again IMO, as I don't
recall anyone else using that particular phrase...
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Aragorn
words to the masses in /comp.os.linux.advocacy...:/
> casioc...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I should've just installed it from the start.
>>
>> It autodetected my monitor perfectly, crn p1500 1600x1200 at 78,
>> sound card and all. Best distro hardware detection I've come across
>> so far.
>
> It's kind of funny that monitor and hardware recognition gets Linux
> users excited - kind of says it all about that OS...
Ehm, just for the record: every Windows installation I have seen so far
on other people's machines - including brandname computers with a
pre-installed Windows version - always default to using 60 Hz as the
vertical refresh rate for the monitor, while most modern monitors are
built for vertical refresh rates of 85 Hz and above at 1600*1200
pixels.
I've always known Gnu/Linux to match or at least approximate the
recommended refresh rates.
>> Also, it looks so polished. It's so clear this is a big name OS. The
>> finish is immaculate. Nothing cheesy about it - no jarring brown, no
>> dancing penguins, none of that. I liken it to Mac OS X in its looks.
>> Rebooting into Windows XP makes the microsoft OS feels like a poor
>> man's choice.
>>
>> It's user-friendly and suitable for newbies yet it's also an
>> instustrial-strength rock-solid enterprise OS, stable and reliable.
>
> How about a screenshot?
I second that.
--
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(Registered Gnu/Linux user #223157)
Sinister Midget
> Sinister Midget <sini...@noidshack.com> did eloquently scribble:
>> On 2005-10-16, Blood Money <barry.m...@soon.com> posted something concerning:
>>
>>> Sure thing flatfish. (I see you hooked yourself a GMail account and will
>>> probably send yourself the other 49 to use as nyms for Usenet). Regardless...
>>
>> Flattard can go on with that particular scam forever. S/H/It can take
>> all of those invites and use each to get 50 more names. Each of those
>> names gets 50 more invites. Then s/h/it canuse those to invite
>> s/h/itself some more times and get 50 each.
>>
>> There are probably going to be hundreds of thousand more gmail trolls
>> in the coming days/months/years unless google finds a way to nip this.
>> I guess I'll just crank out a gmail filter or two.
>>
> It's worse than you think...
> I checked my gmail account last night and noticed I had a hundred invites.
I have 2 gmail accounts. One came from google. The other I sent to me.
I try not to use either of them much. But if I do I still have 99 more
I can fall back on.
I don't know why I don't get a lot more invites, but I guess it may be
related to my never responding to any other invites that were sent.
Ever. And maybe because I don't use the ones I already have much.
Flathead, though, will be sure to force the issue, eventually having to
resort to gibberish (hhhfgm...@gmail.com) or extraordinarily long
names (s__t__e__p__h__a__n__i__e_...@gmail.com)
because s/h/it created so many previous nyms that reasonable variations
are no longer available.
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the following words to the masses in /comp.os.linux.advocacy...:/
<snipped for brevity>
> That sounds like Linux allright.
>
> Buy the CHEAP, shit, noisy, outdated card and it will work fine.
>
> Try and use the latest, quiet, distortion free, high bit card and
> Linux will fall flat on it's face.
>
> Of course you can wait a year or so and maybe, that card might be
> supported by Linux.
>
> Gee, I think the 24 bit Soundblaster might actually work now.
> Of course all features DON'T work, but at least you might be able to
> get it to squeek with Linux.
>
> Yep that's the Linux way.
>
> Kepp trying hardware until you find one that some misfit kid saw fit
> to reverse engineer a driver for.
<snip>
You've used the cheap and outdated hardware argument before. Well, how
about this one?
- Intel SE7500CW motherboard
- dual Intel Xeon HT 2.2 GHz with 512 KB cache - FSB 400 MHz
- 4 GB Transcend ECC dual channel registered DDR SDRAM - pc2100
- Adaptec 2130 SLP U320 SCSI RAID PCI-X adapter
- Adaptec 29160 U160 SCSI PCI adapter
- Soundblaster Live 5.1 Platinum PCI
- GeCube Radeon 9250 with 256 MB DDR - PCI version
- 2x Hitachi UltraStar 73.6 GB U320 SCSI in RAID-1
- IBM/Hitachi UltraStar 36.3 GB U160 SCSI
- IBM/Hitachi UltraStar 18.1 GB U160 SCSI (from a previous machine)
- Plextor PlexWriter Ultra SCSI CD writer (from a previous machine)
- Samsung DVD-ROM, PATA
- Iomega Zip 750, PATA
- SGI 21" monitor, running at 1600*1200 in 32-bit colordepth at 85 Hz
vertical refresh rate.
Okay, this may not all be _the_ very latest, but does the above look
like cheap material to you? You can buy three or four regular consumer
PC's with the money I've spent on this machine. The above hardware is
all known to be stable, and this machine has never had Windows
installed for as long as I have it. (And no, it did not come with
Windows either. It had Fedora Core on it at the time.)
This is the machine I'm typing this message on. It is my main
workstation and also serves as the NAT/gateway and file-/printserver in
my LAN. It also runs an Apache webserver which is only accessable to
the LAN.
This machine is on 24/7, is used by my user account multiple times every
day and had an uptime of 150 days before I was forced to (blindly but
cleanly) reboot due to a hardware problem with the videocard.
The bottom line is that quality hardware *is* supported by Gnu/Linux,
and that Gnu/Linux runs with the utmost stability on quality hardware.
Everything was recognized "out of the box" (by Mandrake) too.
B Gruff
> I should've just installed it from the start.
>
> It autodetected my monitor perfectly......
Nice post, particularly in that you got the wintrolls REALLY wound up with
it. Well done that man:-)
Bill
DFS
That's 'cause he lied.
In just one post he described Suse 10 as: fantastic, perfectly, best,
polished, immaculate, user-friendly, instustrial-strength, rock-solid,
stable and reliable.
He's welcome to his opinion, of course, as long as he doesn't post it while
high on painkillers.
> Bill
B Gruff
....and yet another one!
Well done casioculture.
Bill
Stephanie Mannerz
> Stephanie Mannerz <steph59...@gmail.com> did eloquently scribble:
>> On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 17:49:44 -0700, John Bailo wrote:
>>
>>> Stephanie Mannerz wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> http://www.linuxsucks.org/read.html?postid=8648&replies=127&page=1
>>>
>>> You can take the pill out from between your cheek and your tongue and
>>> swallow it now.
>>
>> Of course we can always bring up your Soundblaster 24 bit thread now can't
>> we Bailo?
>
> So, the soundblaster 24 will work out of the box in windows will it?
> Or would you mayhap, need to insert the driver disk that was provided by the
> manufacturer and install that? You would? Thought so.
Yes it will.
Take the Soundblaster 24 out of the box.
Place the CD in the tray, and away you go.
What would you rather have?
A piece of hardware that comes with drivers inside the box and will WORK
with your OS
or
A piece of hardware that DOESN'T even work withyour OS.
You COLA nuts grasp at anything to avoid having the truth about Linux told.
> So you didn't even contradict mr bailo there. Linux does beat windows with
> out-of-the-box driver support.
I'm not contradicting Bailo, I'm agreeing with him,
He had to replace a decent card with a $15.00 noise generating POS in
order to get sound with Linux.
HTH
spi...@freenet.co.uk
>> Or would you mayhap, need to insert the driver disk that was provided by the
>> manufacturer and install that? You would? Thought so.
>
> Yes it will.
> Take the Soundblaster 24 out of the box.
> Place the CD in the tray, and away you go.
I don't think you quite comprehend the concept of "out of the box" do you?
No driver disks, no floppies to install onto awkward sata, just install and
you're away, everything detected and working.
THAT is out of the box.
Installing and then going through a dozen driver disks just to get your
hardware working is not, by any stretch of the imagination, "out of the box"
> You COLA nuts grasp at anything to avoid having the truth about Linux told.
His soundblaster does work now, because alsa has support.
Out of the box, linux beats the pants of windows.
> I'm not contradicting Bailo, I'm agreeing with him,
> He had to replace a decent card with a $15.00 noise generating POS in
> order to get sound with Linux.
His fault for getting a badly supported card.
Common knowledge that new hardware can take a while to appear in the kernel,
and a while longer before it makes it into a distribution...
None of which is linux's fault, the fact that linux does support almost
every bit of hardware ever created for the IBM PC compatible all out of the
box, THAT is what this argument's about.
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John Bailo
> You've used the cheap and outdated hardware argument before. Well, how
> about this one?
Cheap?
Yes, outdated, no.
In any commodity market, such as PC sound chips, one could expect to see
continuing price decreases and continuing add-on functionality for free.
Create/Sound Blasters have been doing business for almost a decade. As
such, they have tried to build in a lot of proprietary, lock-in features
that have no advantage to the end user.
Meanwhile, my contemporary up to date C-Media card, bought for $13, sounds
every bit as good -- in fact better -- than the SB card.
Again, like with ATI, my only error was not reading the Suse compatibility
list before buying and not doing the work to avoid M$ oriented hardware.
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following words to the masses in /comp.os.linux.advocacy...:/
> Aragorn wrote:
>
>
>> You've used the cheap and outdated hardware argument before. Well,
>> how about this one?
>
> Cheap?
>
> Yes, outdated, no.
Ehm, John... The machine I described above has cost me over US $ 5'000.
I hardly call that cheap... :-/
As a sidenote, there used to be a website that listed all hardware ever
tested with Gnu/Linux, with user recommendations. The URL was...
http://www.linuxhardwaredatabase.com
... but it doesn't seem to be the same site anymore as before - or else
I'll need to look at it more closely. Either way, what you would find
there would be much more complete than the individual distribution's
list of supported hardware.
Stephanie Mannerz
> Stephanie Mannerz <steph59...@gmail.com> did eloquently scribble:
>>> So, the soundblaster 24 will work out of the box in windows will it?
>>> Or would you mayhap, need to insert the driver disk that was provided by the
>>> manufacturer and install that? You would? Thought so.
>>
>> Yes it will.
>> Take the Soundblaster 24 out of the box.
>> Place the CD in the tray, and away you go.
>
> I don't think you quite comprehend the concept of "out of the box" do you?
> No driver disks, no floppies to install onto awkward sata, just install and
> you're away, everything detected and working.
>
> THAT is out of the box.
>
> Installing and then going through a dozen driver disks just to get your
> hardware working is not, by any stretch of the imagination, "out of the box"
>
>> You COLA nuts grasp at anything to avoid having the truth about Linux told.
>
> His soundblaster does work now, because alsa has support.
> Out of the box, linux beats the pants of windows.
>
>> I'm not contradicting Bailo, I'm agreeing with him,
>> He had to replace a decent card with a $15.00 noise generating POS in
>> order to get sound with Linux.
>
> His fault for getting a badly supported card.
One of the most popular cards around.
And again, the card was supported from day one.
> Common knowledge that new hardware can take a while to appear in the
> kernel, and a while longer before it makes it into a distribution...
> None of which is linux's fault, the fact that linux does support almost
> every bit of hardware ever created for the IBM PC compatible all out of
> the box, THAT is what this argument's about.
EVENTUALLY.....
If you don't mind waiting and possibly not using the full capability of
your hardware then Linux might be the ticket.
Take a look at ALSA or linuxprinting.org and notice how many features of
popular hardware ARE STILL NOT SUPPORTED with Linux.
All that stuff worked with Windows the day the hardware was released.
If you want to play semantics (CD in the box etc) fine, but as usual you
are winning the argument (at least in your own mind) but losing the war.
IOW while you go spouting about kernel support, the Windows user put the
CD in and is USING his hardware.
You can try and explain it away all you want but the fact remains, the day
the product hit the shelves, it was supported by Windows XP and NOT by
Linux and this is typically the case for newly released hardware.
Linux users have to wait for support and hope someone will write a driver.
Windows users open the box up, insert the CD and they are done.
As for Linux supporting more hardware?
Sure it does, if you consider the multiple platforms it runs under and the
vast amount of boat anchor legacy hardware then Linux is the clear choice.
However, if you want to utilize the latest hardware, FULLY, from the day
it is released, or you wish to buy a preloaded system, or you wish to
interface with items like cell phones, PDA's, Game controllers and so
forth, then Windows is the clear winner.
Need an example?
How about Plextools for Plextor drives?
http://www.plextools.com/info/info.asp
That's used all the time by video and audio people who burn one offs for
their clients.
The basic version comes with Plextor burners.
Linux?
You're out of luck, sorry.
Linux is great if you don't mind picking and choosing from a small subset
of current hardware, or if you have older hardware laying around but if
you want all the latest and greatest and you want your multimedia devices
to function FULLY and EASILY, Windows or Mac is the only way to go and if
putting a CD in a tray is too difficult for you, then use what you have
and wait for the day when there will be a Linux CD in that box.
Stephanie Mannerz
> On Sunday 16 October 2005 20:48, John Bailo stood up and spoke the
> following words to the masses in /comp.os.linux.advocacy...:/
>
>> Aragorn wrote:
>>
>>
>>> You've used the cheap and outdated hardware argument before. Well,
>>> how about this one?
>>
>> Cheap?
>>
>> Yes, outdated, no.
>
> Ehm, John... The machine I described above has cost me over US $ 5'000.
> I hardly call that cheap... :-/
It's a very nice machine built with quality parts and should last forever.
What kind of transfer rate are you getting with those cards and drives.
> As a sidenote, there used to be a website that listed all hardware ever
> tested with Gnu/Linux, with user recommendations. The URL was...
>
> http://www.linuxhardwaredatabase.com
>
> ... but it doesn't seem to be the same site anymore as before - or else
> I'll need to look at it more closely. Either way, what you would find
> there would be much more complete than the individual distribution's
> list of supported hardware.
I'll say one thing, don't buy Asus if you're a Linux user.
They are Linux hostile and have gone on record as saying such.
My next board is going to be either MSI or Abit.
BTW Bailo is deaf if he can't hear the difference between those two cards.
spi...@freenet.co.uk
> Ehm, John... The machine I described above has cost me over US $ 5'000.
> I hardly call that cheap... :-/
>
> As a sidenote, there used to be a website that listed all hardware ever
> tested with Gnu/Linux, with user recommendations. The URL was...
>
> http://www.linuxhardwaredatabase.com
Indeed... Bloody good website that...
They got bought out and the database vanished soon after.
:/
It was the best hardware resource on the web, now the only place it might
exist is the wayback machine.
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>
> One of the most popular cards around.
> And again, the card was supported from day one.
If that's so, why didn't it work for him?
Rest of the trolling snipped unread...
change the record dearie, it's getting boring.
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Aragorn
the following words to the masses in /comp.os.linux.advocacy...:/
> On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 19:26:26 +0000, Aragorn wrote:
>
>> On Sunday 16 October 2005 20:48, John Bailo stood up and spoke the
>> following words to the masses in /comp.os.linux.advocacy...:/
>>
>>> Aragorn wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> You've used the cheap and outdated hardware argument before. Well,
>>>> how about this one?
>>>
>>> Cheap?
>>>
>>> Yes, outdated, no.
>>
>> Ehm, John... The machine I described above has cost me over US $
>> 5'000. I hardly call that cheap... :-/
>
> It's a very nice machine built with quality parts and should last
> forever. What kind of transfer rate are you getting with those cards
> and drives.
I actually haven't benchmarked them yet, but I suspect that the maximum
_sustained_ disk throughput would lay around 90-95 MB/sec for the U320
disks. I do know that the average access time is 4.8 msecs - 15k disks
reach 3.6 msecs.
The 133 MHz PCI-X slot is good for a theoretical bandwidth of about 1
GB/sec, but the 2130SLP adapter will of course never reach that. I
also have two 100 MHz PCI-X slots and three regular 66/33 MHz
64-/32-bit PCI slots.
Writing to the RAID-1 takes as long as writing to a single disk.
Reading from the array however uses the same kind of load balancing as
a stripeset, but with 4 GB of RAM and XFS as the filesystem, the kernel
keeps a lot in cache, so there isn't all that much load on the disks.
;-)
The disks _are_ 10'000 rpm, by the way, not the 15'000 rpm disks. I was
advised that those wear out faster (due to more heat development) and
that they're very noisy.
And there's a thing this computer isn't: silent! The case itself - a
server-style floor tower - has two intake and two outlet fans, and next
to the intake fans being true dustbusters - which in combination with
my smoking is not really commendable - they're also extremely noisy.
I've measured the sound level at the sitting plane of my chair - which
is about 50 cm away from the front of the machine - and it read close
to 60 dBA... 8-)
I'm going to disconnect the intake fans. The hard disks also have
coolers underneath them, the power supply has two fans and the Xeons
both have the Intel-recommended "windtunnel" heatsink and cooler
assemblies, and the case is big enough to allow for a decent airflow...
;-)
>> As a sidenote, there used to be a website that listed all hardware
>> ever tested with Gnu/Linux, with user recommendations. The URL
>> was...
>>
>> http://www.linuxhardwaredatabase.com
>>
>> ... but it doesn't seem to be the same site anymore as before - or
>> else I'll need to look at it more closely. Either way, what you
>> would find there would be much more complete than the individual
>> distribution's list of supported hardware.
>
> I'll say one thing, don't buy Asus if you're a Linux user.
> They are Linux hostile and have gone on record as saying such.
Yes, I am aware of that. I personally tend to lean towards Intel,
albeit that they're not the most affordable fellows on the block... ;-)
> My next board is going to be either MSI or Abit.
MSI is very good. I have no experiences with Abit. I can however
recommend *not* using Chaintech. While their boards are not bad, their
RMA really sucks. They keep you on the line for as long as it takes
for your warranty to expire, and in the end you're stuck with a broken
mobo. Also had bad experiences with Tyan...
Been there, done that... :-/
> BTW Bailo is deaf if he can't hear the difference between those two
> cards.
My only real experience in soundcards - speaking now of my own machines
- comes from SoundBlasters, and they rock - I use Logitech speakers.
My laptop has some Japanese on-board soundchip - Yamaha? - that's not
too bad either, but totally incomparable with Creative cards.
My advice to everyone is to stick with reputed brands that have proven
themselves over the years. Don't go for the latest gimmicks, but place
your bets on solid hardware - Adaptec, Creative, IBM/Hitachi, Intel...
- and above all: do _not_ overclock your systems. There is a reason as
to why there is a certification for the clock speeds!
Regarding hard disks, if you want to run Gnu/Linux (or another UNIX-like
system), invest in SCSI disks - preferably IBM/Hitachi or Seagate.
They're geared for multitasking, they're usually of a much more rigid
quality than IDE/SATA, they're intended for 24/7 uptime[1] and they
typically come with a five-year warranty.
Additionally, if you use XFS as the filesystem - as I do - it is
worthwhile investing in a good UPS. Also, with XFS or ReiserFS on your
hard disks, use the /complete/ /fair/ /queuing/ I/O scheduler, by
adding...
elevator=cfq
... to the /append/ line for your kernel. If not, the default
/anticipatory/ scheduler will be used, which is good for /ext3/ but
slightly less efficient for balanced tree filesystems such as XFS or
ReiserFS.
[1] IDE disks are intended to be up 8 hours per day, of which 20% under
load. SCSI disks are intended to be up 24 hours per day, of which 80%
under load. Their MTBF is typically around 15 years...
... And - we can't stress this enough! - make back-ups, people! ;-))
Jafar As-Sadiq Calley
> On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 00:26:28 +0000, 7 wrote:
>
>> DFS wrote:
>>
>>> casioc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> I should've just installed it from the start.
>>>>
>>>> It autodetected my monitor perfectly, crn p1500 1600x1200 at 78, sound
>>>> card and all. Best distro hardware detection I've come across so far.
>>>
>>> It's kind of funny that monitor and hardware recognition gets Linux users
>>> excited - kind of says it all about that OS...
>>
>> Whoa DFS!
>> It must stink in windope la la land
>> now that GNU/Linux has better hardware support
>> out of the box than any other Operating Syndrome out there and you
>> have to bow before it as superior technology.
>
>
> Oh yea, I believe you.
> Really I do.
> Unfortunately, all these people don't believe you.
>
> http://www.linuxsucks.org/read.html?postid=8648&replies=127&page=1
Now let's see. A site called linuxsucks. It's bound to be a site with a
positive outlook on linux. It's full of knowledgeable people like the guy
who says "real "professional Linux" like Solaris and or Silicon GraphX
Irix".
Lol. Solaris and Irix are linux? Thats news to me.
B Gruff
> If you want to play semantics (CD in the box etc) fine, but as usual you
> are winning the argument (at least in your own mind) but losing the war.
No sunshine - you have taken your eye off the ball, and you don't even know
who is fighting the war now, let alone winning it.
You are trying to tell us that hardware is generally supported from day 1 by
Windows.
This is nonsense.
What you REALLY mean is that from day 1, the hardware manufacturer generally
provides a driver which works on (some editions of) Windows.
Before you troll any further, DO try to understand that Windows itself
actually supports very little hardware. The hardware is supported by
drivers, which are written by the hardware manufacturer, distributed with
the product, and eventually distributed with Windows.
If you need to have this explained to you, I'm sure that lots of people here
will be pleased to help you. Until you understand the concept, do please
try not to confuse yourself further by going off at a tangent.
Bill
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