Buy the OS or your data gets it
nessuno
Microsoft will soon put the screws on those still running last year's
free preview of Windows 7 by incessantly shutting down their PC.
Starting on February 15, Windows 7 Release Candidate will begin
displaying a friendly notice every few hours to either get paying or
get bent. Come March 1, the PC will begin a regimen of automatic shut
down every two hours.
"To avoid any data loss, I suggest making plans to move to a released
version of Windows 7 before the automatic shutdowns start," Microsoft
spokesman Brandon LeBlanc posted on The Windows Blog. "During these
shutdowns, your work will not be saved."
The automatic shutdowns will continue through June 1, when Microsoft
will instead spirit away the PC's wallpaper and stamp a "this copy of
Windows is not genuine" notification on the lower right corner of the
taskbar. This mark of shame means the computer can't receive optional
updates or downloads that require Windows validation.
</Quote>
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/02/windows_7_rc_auto_shutdowns/
Funny...my Linux system never threatens me to pay up or lose my data...
Rex Ballard
> <Quote>
> Microsoft will soon put the screws on those still running last year's
> free preview of Windows 7 by incessantly shutting down their PC.
And, if you had read your EULA completely, and had properly understood
it from Microsoft's point of view, you would have known that they are
completely within their rights to do this. You agreed to it when you
clicked that "I accept" button. You also agreed to let Microsoft do a
bunch of other stuff too.
> Starting on February 15, Windows 7 Release Candidate will begin
> displaying a friendly notice every few hours to either get paying or
> get bent. Come March 1, the PC will begin a regimen of automatic shut
> down every two hours.
Keep in mind that Microsoft has expressly reserved the right to
completely disable and Vista or Windows 7 machine that Microsoft even
SUSPECTS has been obtained illegally, or is being used illegally.
More simply put, if you violate ANY term of ANY Microsoft license,
Microsoft can disable your PC. And you gave them permission to do it.
Got Windows 7 with your MSDN membership? -
you were told that license was only good until the official release -
so now Microsoft can pull the plug!
Couldn't resist publishing that benchmark showing
how much faster XP was than Windows7 on a machine with only 1 gig of
RAM?
Microsoft can pull the plug!
Couldn't resist the temptation to add extra RAM to your PC?
Microsoft can pull the plug!
Couldn't resist the temptation to replace the hard drive with one that
was faster?
Or add a drive?
Microsoft can pull the plug!
Couldn't resist the temptation to run more than 3 applications
on Windows7 for NetBooks?
Now Microsoft can pull the plug!
Decided to use your "Home Edition" for consulting or for work?
Microsoft can pull the plug!
Just because Microsoft CAN pull the plug doesn't mean they will, but
as the referenced article shows, just because Microsoft HASN'T pulled
the plug in the past, doesn't mean they WON'T EVER pull the plug -
especially if they feel that their revenue stream is being threatened.
Many businesses and corporations have started to take the stance "I
paid for XP, and the PC comes with Windows 7, so I'll just use the OEM
version rather than paying for a corporate license". The problem is
that most PCs only have Home Premium on them, and Microsoft claims
that using Home Premium for business purposes is a violation of their
licenses. If they see visitors coming into MSN and other Microsoft
controlled web sites such as CarPoint, Expedia, CNBC, MSNBC, MSN, and
Hotmail - from a corporate IP address, with a Home Premium signature -
they could send you software that will temporarily disable your PC
until you enter a license key.
> "To avoid any data loss, I suggest making plans to move to a released
> version of Windows 7 before the automatic shutdowns start," Microsoft
> spokesman Brandon LeBlanc posted on The Windows Blog. "During these
> shutdowns, your work will not be saved."
This could mean $billions of dollars in lost productivity.
In effect, it's an extortion racket. Microsoft is telling MSDN
members, millions of them, "Give me $200 for Windows7 or I kill your
computer. That should increase Microsoft's popularity in the
developer community.
Appearantly, the $1500 per user annual subscription for MSDN members
isn't enough to cover the royalties for Windows7 Professional.
> The automatic shutdowns will continue through June 1, when Microsoft
> will instead spirit away the PC's wallpaper and stamp a "this copy of
> Windows is not genuine" notification on the lower right corner of the
> taskbar. This mark of shame means the computer can't receive optional
> updates or downloads that require Windows validation.
> </Quote>
Not only that, but it will really impress employers, clients, and
anyone else who might have paid you for your consulting, programming,
or project management efforts.
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/02/windows_7_rc_auto_shutdowns/
> Funny...my Linux system never threatens me to pay up or lose my data...
Ironically, Richard Stallman's GNU Manifesto predicted, over 25 years
ago, that the day would come when the vendor of proprietary software,
that generated business critical documents, would demand excessive
payments as a condition for continued access to those documents.
The irony is that Bill Gates bragged about how he was going to do it,
about 3 months earlier.
Ezekiel
>"Rex Ballard" <rex.b...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:0e877222-4b5b-48a4...@m4g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
>
>Couldn't resist publishing that benchmark showing
>how much faster XP was than Windows7 on a machine with only 1 gig of
>RAM?
>Microsoft can pull the plug!
And your proof of this is where exactly????
>Couldn't resist the temptation to add extra RAM to your PC?
>Microsoft can pull the plug!
And your proof of this is where exactly????
>Couldn't resist the temptation to replace the hard drive with one that
>was faster?
>Or add a drive?
>Microsoft can pull the plug!
And your proof of this is where exactly????
>Couldn't resist the temptation to run more than 3 applications
>on Windows7 for NetBooks?
>Now Microsoft can pull the plug!
And your proof of this is where exactly????
>Decided to use your "Home Edition" for consulting or for work?
>Microsoft can pull the plug!
And your proof of this is where exactly????
>Just because Microsoft CAN pull the plug doesn't mean they will,
And just because you post lies doesn't mean it's true. Tell us again how
you developed Java, SSL, HTTPS, military weapons, drafted the GPL, etc.
Grow up Rex. Your posts aren't all that bad and you could probably make some
interesting points. But when you make retarded claims of how "MS can access
any data on your computer for any purpose at all..." then you're not doing
yourself any favors.
chrisv
>> "To avoid any data loss, I suggest making plans to move to a released
>> version of Windows 7 before the automatic shutdowns start," Microsoft
>> spokesman Brandon LeBlanc posted on The Windows Blog. "During these
>> shutdowns, your work will not be saved."
>
>This could mean $billions of dollars in lost productivity.
>
>In effect, it's an extortion racket. Microsoft is telling MSDN
>members, millions of them, "Give me $200 for Windows7 or I kill your
>computer. That should increase Microsoft's popularity in the
>developer community.
Come on, now. Those who have been freely using Win7 beta have had
fair warning that they'll need to pay up. If you ignore the warnings
its your own fault. If you don't think its worth the money, don't use
it.
Tom Shelton
Hmmm... I'm not sure what the fuss is about. It should come as no
surprise to anyone who downloaded the RC that this would happen -
since it was quite clear that the RC would expire.
--
Tom Shelton
Hadron
> On Feb 2, 11:34 am, nessuno <nessuno7...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> <Quote>
>> Microsoft will soon put the screws on those still running last year's
>> free preview of Windows 7 by incessantly shutting down their PC.
>
> And, if you had read your EULA completely, and had properly understood
> it from Microsoft's point of view, you would have known that they are
> completely within their rights to do this. You agreed to it when you
> clicked that "I accept" button. You also agreed to let Microsoft do a
> bunch of other stuff too.
You let them shut down THEIR OS.
Pay for it if you want it. Else use Linux. It's Free and free.
Tom Shelton
> On Feb 2, 11:34 am, nessuno <nessuno7...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
<snip>
> In effect, it's an extortion racket. Microsoft is telling MSDN
> members, millions of them, "Give me $200 for Windows7 or I kill your
> computer. That should increase Microsoft's popularity in the
> developer community.
>
Uh, dude - if you an MSDN member - then you already have the release
version. You have no need to continue with the RC.
--
Tom Shelton
nessuno
All very true...but a nice aspect of Linux is not just the purely
financial aspect of not having to pay, but also the freedom from
threats. That includes the threat of getting audited and not having
all your paperwork, even if you are perfectly legal.
Personally, I try to support FOSS. I sent $100 to Ubuntu a few days
ago, as thanks for the use of their software... I have done this about
once a year since I started using them (and before that I donated to
Suse, Redhat, Caldera...) The goods they have provided me are easily
worth it.
Actually, I'd think it would be good PR for Microsoft (or Apple or
anybody) to let the people who were given RCs to keep them (for
free)...after all, they did serve as testers and part of the PR
machine. I assume this would not be a very great fraction of the
units finally sold.
chrisv
>Actually, I'd think it would be good PR for Microsoft (or Apple or
>anybody) to let the people who were given RCs to keep them (for
>free)...after all, they did serve as testers and part of the PR
>machine. I assume this would not be a very great fraction of the
>units finally sold.
Still in the millions, though. Multiply that times $100 or more, and
it's a good chunk of money...
Hadron
Err yes. But in the real world people to evade taxes and costs.
>
> Personally, I try to support FOSS. I sent $100 to Ubuntu a few days
> ago, as thanks for the use of their software... I have done this about
> once a year since I started using them (and before that I donated to
> Suse, Redhat, Caldera...) The goods they have provided me are easily
> worth it.
No you haven't.
Ezekiel
"Hadron" <hadro...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:hk9ue0$bgq$1...@hadron.eternal-september.org...
Since talk is cheap... "I sent $5,000 to Ubuntu a few days ago."
Good thing that "a few days ago" he sent his $100 to a bunch of guys sitting
behind a computer. Why waste the money by sending it to help the people in
Haiti or anything like that.
RonB
> Since talk is cheap... "I sent $5,000 to Ubuntu a few days ago."
>
> Good thing that "a few days ago" he sent his $100 to a bunch of guys
> sitting behind a computer. Why waste the money by sending it to help the
> people in Haiti or anything like that.
Why do you assume he didn't? First the WinTrolls whine that Linux users
are "freetards" but when they mention that they support their
distributions they are called liars, or told they should have spent their
money elsewhere.
Well, hell, anyone can play that game. You selfish bastards who pay
Microsoft and Apple for their bloatware and for the new computers required
to run their new OSes (not to mention expensive office suites you add to
the bill, you should instead have used free Linux then you would have more
money to send to the Haiti. What were you thinking, you self-centered scum?
--
RonB
Registered Linux User #498581
CentOS 5.4 or Vector Linux Deluxe 6.0
Lloyd Parsons
RonB <ronb02...@gmail.com> wrote:
OK then since I'm being punished for running that bloatware on my
netbook, where can I get a linux that will install and find its own damn
drivers and everything just work?
I'm waiting...
Hadron
> On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 14:46:30 -0500, Ezekiel wrote:
>
>> Since talk is cheap... "I sent $5,000 to Ubuntu a few days ago."
>>
>> Good thing that "a few days ago" he sent his $100 to a bunch of guys
>> sitting behind a computer. Why waste the money by sending it to help the
>> people in Haiti or anything like that.
>
> Why do you assume he didn't? First the WinTrolls whine that Linux users
> are "freetards" but when they mention that they support their
> distributions they are called liars, or told they should have spent their
> money elsewhere.
They have. Or COLA ones have. Because they keep on about "for free".
>
> Well, hell, anyone can play that game. You selfish bastards who pay
> Microsoft and Apple for their bloatware and for the new computers required
> to run their new OSes (not to mention expensive office suites you add to
> the bill, you should instead have used free Linux then you would have more
> money to send to the Haiti. What were you thinking, you self-centered
> scum?
There is a difference. Contributing to Linux is charity. Not mandatory.
RonB
> OK then since I'm being punished for running that bloatware on my
> netbook, where can I get a linux that will install and find its own damn
> drivers and everything just work?
>
> I'm waiting...
Google is your friend -- there are *several* Linux distributions that
would do the job. Waiting won't do it, you actually have to do *something.*
And it's nice to see you completely missed the point of my sarcastic post.
Lloyd Parsons
RonB <ronb02...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 14:32:04 -0600, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>
> > OK then since I'm being punished for running that bloatware on my
> > netbook, where can I get a linux that will install and find its own damn
> > drivers and everything just work?
> >
> > I'm waiting...
>
> Google is your friend -- there are *several* Linux distributions that
> would do the job. Waiting won't do it, you actually have to do *something.*
>
> And it's nice to see you completely missed the point of my sarcastic post.
The only one I found that would install from a usb flash stick was
Ubuntu Netbook Remix. But even that one had a lot of caveats about
potential issues and a very short list of netbooks it would be a plug 'n
go on.
Peter Köhlmann
> In article <hka2h8$hpb$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> RonB <ronb02...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 14:32:04 -0600, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>
>> > OK then since I'm being punished for running that bloatware on my
>> > netbook, where can I get a linux that will install and find its own
>> > damn drivers and everything just work?
>> >
>> > I'm waiting...
>>
>> Google is your friend -- there are *several* Linux distributions that
>> would do the job. Waiting won't do it, you actually have to do
>> *something.*
>>
>> And it's nice to see you completely missed the point of my sarcastic
>> post.
>
> The only one I found that would install from a usb flash stick was
> Ubuntu Netbook Remix.
Well, you are a Mac user, and as such your incompetence was to be
expected.
There are *several* Distros installable from USB-stick. Including the big
ones, like Debian and Suse
> But even that one had a lot of caveats about
> potential issues and a very short list of netbooks it would be a plug 'n
> go on.
And now one can nearly hear your mad googling to find a netbook which will
have some functionality not supported by linux out of the box
--
Support your local Search and Rescue unit -- get lost.
Lloyd Parsons
Peter K�hlmann <peter-k...@t-online.de> wrote:
> Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>
> > In article <hka2h8$hpb$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > RonB <ronb02...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 14:32:04 -0600, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
> >>
> >> > OK then since I'm being punished for running that bloatware on my
> >> > netbook, where can I get a linux that will install and find its own
> >> > damn drivers and everything just work?
> >> >
> >> > I'm waiting...
> >>
> >> Google is your friend -- there are *several* Linux distributions that
> >> would do the job. Waiting won't do it, you actually have to do
> >> *something.*
> >>
> >> And it's nice to see you completely missed the point of my sarcastic
> >> post.
> >
> > The only one I found that would install from a usb flash stick was
> > Ubuntu Netbook Remix.
>
> Well, you are a Mac user, and as such your incompetence was to be
> expected.
I'll see your arrogance and raise it with one more incompetence mark.
Jackass!
> There are *several* Distros installable from USB-stick. Including the big
> ones, like Debian and Suse
>
> > But even that one had a lot of caveats about
> > potential issues and a very short list of netbooks it would be a plug 'n
> > go on.
>
> And now one can nearly hear your mad googling to find a netbook which will
> have some functionality not supported by linux out of the box
Hi Peter, it is nice to know that you are so supportive of someone
wanting to get Linux on the netbook. You're warm welcome is so nice.
I have a netbook. It was bought based on price and overall performance.
It was not bought with any particular OS in mind, nor would I have
looked that way to begin with.
If Linux is a wide ranging and so easy to install and use, it should be
just fine on this box.
It is a Gateway 2104u.
RonB
Here...
http://www.linux-netbook.com/linux/distributions
There are 43 distributions listed here. I know that (at the very least)
several will install from a flash drive. Heck, I installed CentOS on to my
Dell Latitude D400 from a flash drive -- so just about any Linux
distribution *can* do it -- though some are easier than others.
Ten Distributions that run on your netbook...
http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=729
Here's four netbook distributions compared...
http://www.tuxradar.com/content/group-test-netbook-distros
Top 15 distributions for netbooks...
http://www.bablotech.com/2009/08/25/top-15-linux-distributions-for-
netbooks/
or...
http://tinyurl.com/l4sgkz
Comparison of Linux netbook distributions from Wikipedia...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_netbook-
oriented_Linux_distributions
or
http://tinyurl.com/yl96qnr
I could go on, but this should give you a good start.
Lloyd Parsons
RonB <ronb02...@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Rick. That should keep me reading awhile.
Chris Ahlstrom
>>"Rex Ballard" <rex.b...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:0e877222-4b5b-48a4...@m4g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
>
> And your proof of this is where exactly????
> And your proof of this is where exactly????
> And your proof of this is where exactly????
> And your proof of this is where exactly????
> And your proof of this is where exactly????
>
>>Just because Microsoft CAN pull the plug doesn't mean they will,
>
> And just because you post lies doesn't mean it's true. Tell us again how
> you developed Java, SSL, HTTPS, military weapons, drafted the GPL, etc.
>
> Grow up Rex. Your posts aren't all that bad and you could probably make some
> interesting points. But when you make retarded claims of how "MS can access
> any data on your computer for any purpose at all..." then you're not doing
> yourself any favors.
See? When an advocate confabulates, we have you to call them on it!
--
Q: Why do the police always travel in threes?
A: One to do the reading, one to do the writing, and the other keeps
an eye on the two intellectuals.
Chris Ahlstrom
> nessuno <nessu...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Personally, I try to support FOSS. I sent $100 to Ubuntu a few days
>> ago, as thanks for the use of their software... I have done this about
>> once a year since I started using them (and before that I donated to
>> Suse, Redhat, Caldera...) The goods they have provided me are easily
>> worth it.
>
> No you haven't.
"Hadron" should keep his yap shut about what "Nessuno" has and hasn't
contributed monetarily to Ubuntu.
--
Q: How many IBM CPU's does it take to do a logical right shift?
A: 33. 1 to hold the bits and 32 to push the register.
Chris Ahlstrom
> "Hadron" <hadro...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> nessuno <nessu...@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> No you haven't.
>
> Since talk is cheap... "I sent $5,000 to Ubuntu a few days ago."
You put it in "quotes".
nessuno did not.
> Good thing that "a few days ago" he sent his $100 to a bunch of guys sitting
> behind a computer. Why waste the money by sending it to help the people in
> Haiti or anything like that.
Insulting inference.
How do know he did not also send money to help Haiti?
--
What no spouse of a writer can ever understand is that a writer is working
when he's staring out the window.
nessuno
> Hadron pulled this Usenet boner:
>
Well it's true. In the case of Suse and Redhat, I used to get
manuals. I thought they were worth it. Then the Suse manuals got
thinner, then I switched to Ubuntu. I bought a book for Ubuntu
(separate purchase).
Hadron
> Hadron pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>> nessuno <nessu...@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> Personally, I try to support FOSS. I sent $100 to Ubuntu a few days
>>> ago, as thanks for the use of their software... I have done this about
>>> once a year since I started using them (and before that I donated to
>>> Suse, Redhat, Caldera...) The goods they have provided me are easily
>>> worth it.
>>
>> No you haven't.
>
> "Hadron" should keep his yap shut about what "Nessuno" has and hasn't
> contributed monetarily to Ubuntu.
Looks like Liarmutt has another butt to sniff. Good idea Chris : you
look after your own dishonest posts and defend yourself, as god knows
you need to, and let Nessuno and co defend themselves. Face it, you're a
wore bodyguard than you are an advocate. You Windows programming
hypocrite you.
chrisv
> trolling fsckwit wrote:
>>
>> Good thing that "a few days ago" he sent his $100 to a bunch of guys sitting
>> behind a computer. Why waste the money by sending it to help the people in
>> Haiti or anything like that.
Fsck you, you POS.
>Insulting inference.
>
>How do know he did not also send money to help Haiti?
Oh, I'm *certain* that "Ezekiel" has given *all* of his money to
charities (beyond what he needs to survive, of course). *He* has the
moral high-ground from which to attack others as "not giving enough".
Sheesh. Almost as shitty as "Hadron", he is.
chrisv
>Hadron snotted:
>
>> nessuno <nessu...@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> Personally, I try to support FOSS. I sent $100 to Ubuntu a few days
>>> ago, as thanks for the use of their software... I have done this about
>>> once a year since I started using them (and before that I donated to
>>> Suse, Redhat, Caldera...) The goods they have provided me are easily
>>> worth it.
>>
>> No you haven't.
LOL
>"Hadron" should keep his yap shut about what "Nessuno" has and hasn't
>contributed monetarily to Ubuntu.
Amazing, isn't it? A *completely* baseless accusation of dishonesty,
and coming from a *shameless* liar!
JEDIDIAH
>
>
> Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>
>> In article <hka2h8$hpb$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> RonB <ronb02...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 14:32:04 -0600, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>>
>>> > OK then since I'm being punished for running that bloatware on my
>>> > netbook, where can I get a linux that will install and find its own
>>> > damn drivers and everything just work?
>>> >
>>> > I'm waiting...
>>>
>>> Google is your friend -- there are *several* Linux distributions that
>>> would do the job. Waiting won't do it, you actually have to do
>>> *something.*
>>>
>>> And it's nice to see you completely missed the point of my sarcastic
>>> post.
>>
>> The only one I found that would install from a usb flash stick was
>> Ubuntu Netbook Remix.
>
> Well, you are a Mac user, and as such your incompetence was to be
> expected.
...he's also used to being limited to a single digit number of choices.
So the fact that UNR might only support 5 laptops is not really that big
of a tragedy since that's about as many as his OS of choice supports.
Or he could just buy something preloaded.
[deletia]
--
My macintosh runs Ubuntu. |||
/ | \
chrisv
Oh, and I'm sure that spending money on Micro$oft products is "OK",
while giving money to promote Freedom in computing is particularly
deserving of derision.
Hadron
You asked the right person : Ahlstrom, the creepy little hypocrite that
he is, is a Windows user and programmer. Ask him about how much money he
makes from Windows SW. I make none. All my income is now derived from
Debian based development.
Lloyd Parsons
JEDIDIAH <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
Or maybe I'd like to have something new to play around with?
My netbook is plenty good as it is, Linux on it as well as W7 was just
something I wanted to do to play around with it.
Terry Porter
You keep waiting then ...
In the meantime I have Fedora12 running perfectly on a Acer Aspire One
(A110) and a Asus EeePC900 for months now.
Most recently I ran Mint8 on the Acer Aspire One (A110) and everything
was perfect except it didn't handle an external monitor properly.
Before that I ran several different Linux distros on my Asus EeePC900
with some working better in certain areas than others.
--
This machine running Gnu/Linux Mint 8 and posting via Pan.
Get your Free copy NOW! http://linuxmint.com/
Lloyd Parsons
Terry Porter <lin...@netspace.net.au> wrote:
So you're saying that just like years ago, Linux won't install as easily
as Windows of any variety as well as OSX? Still digging around for
drivers and running terminal commands?
If so, then I might not be waiting at all! :)
Terry Porter
> In article <hka30i$sdd$02$1...@news.t-online.com>,
This is COLA, we advocate Linux here, this is not a new user or Gateway
2104u support group.
If you're looking for handholding and warm welcomes, run back to Steve
Jobs where he will give you the handholding and warm welcomes you have
paid well for.
>
> I have a netbook. It was bought based on price and overall performance.
> It was not bought with any particular OS in mind, nor would I have
> looked that way to begin with.
That's your problem and yours to solve.
>
> If Linux is a wide ranging and so easy to install and use, it should be
> just fine on this box.
Linux runs on more hardware than any other OS, but you may need decent
Linux admin skills to resolve any issues.
>
> It is a Gateway 2104u.
I'm happy for you. Please start Googling to solve *your* problem.
Lloyd Parsons
Terry Porter <lin...@netspace.net.au> wrote:
sour receptions don't get much in the way of advocacy.
Maybe you should say this is a bitching forum and be more correct.
> If you're looking for handholding and warm welcomes, run back to Steve
> Jobs where he will give you the handholding and warm welcomes you have
> paid well for.
>
> >
> > I have a netbook. It was bought based on price and overall performance.
> > It was not bought with any particular OS in mind, nor would I have
> > looked that way to begin with.
>
> That's your problem and yours to solve.
>
Not any more.
> >
> > If Linux is a wide ranging and so easy to install and use, it should be
> > just fine on this box.
>
> Linux runs on more hardware than any other OS, but you may need decent
> Linux admin skills to resolve any issues.
>
In the same old way it always did it seems. Digging around for drivers,
arcane command line stuff, all those things that have made Linux such a
wild success on the desktop, huh?
> >
> > It is a Gateway 2104u.
>
> I'm happy for you. Please start Googling to solve *your* problem.
No, I'll take a pass. I found out just enough here to know that Linux
is still the OS I should love, but don't.
RonB
That's all Hadron has. Anytime, anyone claims that they use, and enjoy
using, Linux or contribute to any Linux distribution in any way -- Hadron
robotically squawks out the word "liar." If it wasn't for snuffling up to
Snit, he wouldn't do anything else on COLA.
Snit
PM:
Do you think he "snuffles" up to me because I am such a "control freak" I
want more control over my own system... and want you and other Linux users
to have the same level of "control freak" abilities on your own systems?
Just curious.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Moshe Goldfarb
Yea.....
A different version of Linux each week.
Always looking for the perfect Linux distribution.
--
2/2/2010 6:11:12 PM
Moshe Goldfarb
The Linux zealots change Linux distributions more frequently than
they change their panties.
--
2/2/2010 6:11:59 PM
Moshe Goldfarb
> This is COLA, we advocate Linux here, this is not a new user or Gateway
> 2104u support group.
You're kidding right?
There is very little Linux advocacy in COLA.
It's mostly Microsoft hate.
You can than Spamowitz for that.
--
2/2/2010 6:12:31 PM
Gregory Shearman
>>
> sour receptions don't get much in the way of advocacy.
Fuck off then. You are stupid enough to come here expecting help instead
of advocacy. You want linux to work on your hardware then do you
research BEFORE you buy your hardware. Caveat Emptor.
> Maybe you should say this is a bitching forum and be more correct.
What would YOU know? Unless you're another annoying troll.
>> >
>> > I have a netbook. It was bought based on price and overall performance.
>> > It was not bought with any particular OS in mind, nor would I have
>> > looked that way to begin with.
>>
>> That's your problem and yours to solve.
>>
> Not any more.
Your problem, dickhead. You bought the hardware, deal with it.
>> Linux admin skills to resolve any issues.
>>
> In the same old way it always did it seems.
You buy hardware before checking that it is compatible and then you
complain that it doesn't work? I'll be fucked.... some idiots love to
throw their money away.
> Digging around for drivers
Use your brain, stop your digging.
> arcane command line stuff, all those things that have made Linux such a
> wild success on the desktop, huh?
Why do you care, trolling fuckwit... fuck off back into your slimey hole.
>> >
>> > It is a Gateway 2104u.
>>
>> I'm happy for you. Please start Googling to solve *your* problem.
>
> No, I'll take a pass. I found out just enough here to know that Linux
> is still the OS I should love, but don't.
Yeah.. fuck off troll.
--
Regards,
Gregory.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power
Gregory Shearman
> as Windows of any variety as well as OSX? Still digging around for
> drivers and running terminal commands?
Windows is easy to install? Pull the other one, fuckwit.
You've never installed windows and you don't use Linux.
> If so, then I might not be waiting at all! :)
Fuck off.
<PLONK>
Lloyd Parsons
Gregory Shearman <ZekeG...@netscape.net> wrote:
> On 2010-02-02, Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@mac.com> wrote:
> >
> > So you're saying that just like years ago, Linux won't install as easily
> > as Windows of any variety as well as OSX? Still digging around for
> > drivers and running terminal commands?
>
> Windows is easy to install? Pull the other one, fuckwit.
>
> You've never installed windows and you don't use Linux.
>
> > If so, then I might not be waiting at all! :)
>
> Fuck off.
>
> <PLONK>
another super pleasant post strongly 'advocating' Linux!
this is hilarious!
Lloyd Parsons
Gregory Shearman <ZekeG...@netscape.net> wrote:
> On 2010-02-02, Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@mac.com> wrote:
> >>
> > sour receptions don't get much in the way of advocacy.
>
> Fuck off then. You are stupid enough to come here expecting help instead
> of advocacy. You want linux to work on your hardware then do you
> research BEFORE you buy your hardware. Caveat Emptor.
>
> > Maybe you should say this is a bitching forum and be more correct.
>
> What would YOU know? Unless you're another annoying troll.
>
I wasn't when I started reading here, but some of you have made me see
the light. Trolling is the favorite pasttime here it seems. I see why.
> >> >
> >> > I have a netbook. It was bought based on price and overall performance.
> >> > It was not bought with any particular OS in mind, nor would I have
> >> > looked that way to begin with.
> >>
> >> That's your problem and yours to solve.
> >>
> > Not any more.
>
> Your problem, dickhead. You bought the hardware, deal with it.
>
I am. It is running right now just fine.
> >> Linux admin skills to resolve any issues.
> >>
> > In the same old way it always did it seems.
>
> You buy hardware before checking that it is compatible and then you
> complain that it doesn't work? I'll be fucked.... some idiots love to
> throw their money away.
>
When I bought it, Linux wasn't even a thought. But then someone told me
there were some things to take a look at that might interest me. Hence
I posted here.
an *advocate* would have pointed me in the right direction. Either a
link to websites or forums where Linux on the netbook was the topic
under discussion and support was available.
And thankfully, there were A VERY FEW actual advocates that did just
that.
But then there is the others like you.
>
> > Digging around for drivers
>
> Use your brain, stop your digging.
>
> > arcane command line stuff, all those things that have made Linux such a
> > wild success on the desktop, huh?
>
> Why do you care, trolling fuckwit... fuck off back into your slimey hole.
>
> >> >
> >> > It is a Gateway 2104u.
> >>
> >> I'm happy for you. Please start Googling to solve *your* problem.
> >
> > No, I'll take a pass. I found out just enough here to know that Linux
> > is still the OS I should love, but don't.
>
> Yeah.. fuck off troll.
Thanks for the english lesson. It is nice to know you have such a good
command of it. Look up the word advocate one day, you might be
surprised what it actually means.
Hadron
Gregory is a rather nasty, foul mouthed "advocate" (the quotes are all
important) who is on record as hoping Linux does not get any better in
case it attracts the wrong kind of user. He also thinks WEP's fine for
him and that his granny should be able to use telnet to post to usenet
having read the piss simple NNTP. He is, of course, another hateful,
spiteful, bitter MS hater with a superiority complex. Interestingly
enough another dumb Aussie. Along with Terry "Telnet" Porter he is
responsible for some of the more amusing COLA "advocate" gaffs.
Hadron
Gregory couldn't find his hole in a barrel of fanny. He's just a rather
nasty wanker. Ignore him.
Lloyd Parsons
Hadron<hadro...@gmail.com> wrote:
an Aussie? I would have pegged him as Peter's next door neighbor! :)
My first run to get Linux on the netbook ended in failure. I decided to
get Ubuntu Netbook Remix as it seemed one of the most likely.
Downloaded the isi, created the DVD and attempted to run the avb-creator
to create the flash image for a 1st run.
Alas, after burning 2 more dvds, the results always the same. Some
totally unrememborable error about the source files and bombed out.
I'll take a run tomorrow possibly with one of the other netbook oriented
ones.
Hadron
Works for everyone in COLA: not that anyone of them has tried. BTW, did
you know Peter was a professional Windows closed source programmer?
Yup. He is. So is Chris Ahlstrom (people call him Liarmutt because he
tells lots of lies in his advocacy stories when acting like Roy's lapdog)
who, in particular, can turn rather nasty. He likes to call OSS
developers "fuckheads" and was particularly insulting to Joerg
Schilling. He also supported Peter in claiming that its ok to dereference
a null pointer in C. Welcome to the monkey house. Don't cross Creepy
Chris or he'll unleash hell on you.
Chris Ahlstrom
> In article <hkaipu$5tq$1...@hadron.eternal-september.org>,
> Hadron<hadro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Gregory is a rather nasty, foul mouthed "advocate" (the quotes are all
>> important) who is on record as hoping Linux does not get any better in
>> case it attracts the wrong kind of user.
>>
>> <rest of lies/insults snipped>
>
> an Aussie? I would have pegged him as Peter's next door neighbor! :)
>
> My first run to get Linux on the netbook ended in failure. I decided to
> get Ubuntu Netbook Remix as it seemed one of the most likely.
> Downloaded the isi, created the DVD and attempted to run the avb-creator
> to create the flash image for a 1st run.
>
> Alas, after burning 2 more dvds, the results always the same. Some
> totally unrememborable error about the source files and bombed out.
> I'll take a run tomorrow possibly with one of the other netbook oriented
> ones.
That last paragraph doesn't pass the smell test.
Except, of course, that the smell attracted another newsgroup pest.
If you're serious about installing Linux on that computer, why don't you
post the hardware it runs (chipset, video, wired NIC, wireless NIC, audio)
and any particulars about the BIOS settings for the drives?
--
Today is what happened to yesterday.
Moshe Goldfarb
> Lloyd Parsons pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>> In article <hkaipu$5tq$1...@hadron.eternal-september.org>,
>> Hadron<hadro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Gregory is a rather nasty, foul mouthed "advocate" (the quotes are all
>>> important) who is on record as hoping Linux does not get any better in
>>> case it attracts the wrong kind of user.
>>>
>>> <rest of lies/insults snipped>
>>
>> an Aussie? I would have pegged him as Peter's next door neighbor! :)
>>
>> My first run to get Linux on the netbook ended in failure. I decided to
>> get Ubuntu Netbook Remix as it seemed one of the most likely.
>> Downloaded the isi, created the DVD and attempted to run the avb-creator
>> to create the flash image for a 1st run.
>>
>> Alas, after burning 2 more dvds, the results always the same. Some
>> totally unrememborable error about the source files and bombed out.
>> I'll take a run tomorrow possibly with one of the other netbook oriented
>> ones.
>
> That last paragraph doesn't pass the smell test.
You need to remove your head from Roy's ass first.
--
2/2/2010 9:55:21 PM
Hadron
> Lloyd Parsons pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>> In article <hkaipu$5tq$1...@hadron.eternal-september.org>,
>> Hadron<hadro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Gregory is a rather nasty, foul mouthed "advocate" (the quotes are all
>>> important) who is on record as hoping Linux does not get any better in
>>> case it attracts the wrong kind of user.
>>>
>>> <rest of lies/insults snipped>
>>
>> an Aussie? I would have pegged him as Peter's next door neighbor! :)
>>
>> My first run to get Linux on the netbook ended in failure. I decided to
>> get Ubuntu Netbook Remix as it seemed one of the most likely.
>> Downloaded the isi, created the DVD and attempted to run the avb-creator
>> to create the flash image for a 1st run.
>>
>> Alas, after burning 2 more dvds, the results always the same. Some
>> totally unrememborable error about the source files and bombed out.
>> I'll take a run tomorrow possibly with one of the other netbook oriented
>> ones.
>
> That last paragraph doesn't pass the smell test.
You have your nose so buried in "advocate" arse I'm amazed you can smell
anything these days.
>
> Except, of course, that the smell attracted another newsgroup pest.
>
> If you're serious about installing Linux on that computer, why don't you
> post the hardware it runs (chipset, video, wired NIC, wireless NIC, audio)
> and any particulars about the BIOS settings for the drives?
Why would that help him here?
What happened to Linus supports more HW, installs on more HW and is
easier to install than Windows. You already have him marked as a troll
and you'll be nipping at his heels from now on no doubt.
Lloyd Parsons
Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@launchmodem.com> wrote:
My last paragraph is exactly what happened. The iso either is defective
(unlikely), or something happened to it during download (more likely)
The netbook is a Gateway 2104u, Atom n450 w/intel 3150 GMA.
Wireless : Atheros AR5B93
Wired : Atheros AR8132
I figure that at minimum, I want to bring it up on flash and take a look
at it. Assuming that is fine, then if I can do a non-destructive
partitioning, put it on a partition for a dual-boot scenario.
Sinister Midget III
> And now one can nearly hear your mad googling to find a netbook which will
> have some functionality not supported by linux out of the box
Nah, it's easier than that. All he has to do is claim he's using that
"netbook" going for about $100-200 (depending on who is trying to do
the suckering) that has Windross CE on it. I doubt there's anything
else on earth that will run on that piece of shit. (Except there's
probably a linux version that can handle it.) Good luck finding
somebody who owns one and tried it out.
This is the piece of crap:
--
If you have to ask what jazz is, you'll never know.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Eee PC900 16G SSD 2G RAM Xubuntu 9.10
Friends don't let friends use Windows
Lloyd Parsons
Sinister Midget III <a...@myeeemobile.com> wrote:
> On 2010-02-02, Peter Köhlmann <peter-k...@t-online.de> claimed:
>
> > And now one can nearly hear your mad googling to find a netbook which will
> > have some functionality not supported by linux out of the box
>
> Nah, it's easier than that. All he has to do is claim he's using that
> "netbook" going for about $100-200 (depending on who is trying to do
> the suckering) that has Windross CE on it. I doubt there's anything
> else on earth that will run on that piece of shit. (Except there's
> probably a linux version that can handle it.) Good luck finding
> somebody who owns one and tried it out.
>
> This is the piece of crap:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yhfvv6c
I guess you haven't been following this at all. I have stated which
netbook I bought, and it isn't some dirt cheap model. It is in fact,
quite an excellent model, imo.
It just didn't come with Linux, and for that matter, at BB where I
bought it, none of them had Linux on them.
DFS
> a nice aspect of Linux is not just the purely
> financial aspect of not having to pay, but also the freedom from
> threats. That includes the threat of getting audited and not having
> all your paperwork, even if you are perfectly legal.
You uninformed, brainwashed, silly "adv0cate$" make it too easy:
"5.2 Inspection. During the term of this Agreement and for one (1) year
thereafter, Red Hat or its designated agent may inspect and review Client's
facilities and records in order to verify Client's compliance with this
Agreement. Any such inspection and review will take place only during
Client's normal business hours and upon no less than ten (10) days prior
written notice from Red Hat. Red Hat will give Client written notice of any
non-compliance, including the number of underreported Installed Systems, and
Client will have fifteen (15) days from the date of such notice to make
payment to Red Hat for the applicable Services provided to the underreported
Installed Systems. If Client had underreported the number of Installed
Systems by more than five percent (5%), Client will also pay Red Hat for the
cost of such inspection."
DFS
> Gregory is a rather nasty, foul mouthed "advocate" (the quotes are all
> important) who is on record as hoping Linux does not get any better in
> case it attracts the wrong kind of user. He also thinks WEP's fine for
> him and that his granny should be able to use telnet to post to usenet
> having read the piss simple NNTP. He is, of course, another hateful,
> spiteful, bitter MS hater with a superiority complex. Interestingly
> enough another dumb Aussie. Along with Terry "Telnet" Porter he is
> responsible for some of the more amusing COLA "advocate" gaffs.
For a while there, Shearman insisted over and over that "Linux was as good
and usable as possible" with no qualifications whatsoever.
When it was revealed he was indeed an idiot, he started the usual "advocate"
backpedaling: ".... but it will be improved upon in the future... as more
possibilities arise...The current kernel is as good as possible... at the
moment of release...
GreyCloud
LOL! Yes it is! BTW, I wasn't really following the whole thread here,
so which model of Netbook did you get?
I know from digging around that you can do a netinstall of Ubuntu linux.
And of course it *is* something to do in our golden years. :-))
GreyCloud
This maybe of use to you. I've never heard of this distro before tho.
Joel
>Actually, I'd think it would be good PR for Microsoft (or Apple or
>anybody) to let the people who were given RCs to keep them (for
>free)...after all, they did serve as testers and part of the PR
>machine. I assume this would not be a very great fraction of the
>units finally sold.
If people knew they could keep it for free, they'd download it for the
purpose of getting it free, before it was even commercially available.
They'd also be continually using a version that MS would have to test
updates on. It seems pretty reasonable to give them months after the
public release, to decide whether to permanently upgrade or not. They
could always go back to Vista or XP, or switch to Linux.
In general, too, why is a little over 100 bucks for the so-called OEM
of 7 Home Premium (or a few bucks more for the retail upgrade) so
outrageous? I'd gladly pay that much (and in fact, did pay 135 to
pre-order the OEM of 7 Pro) to avoid having to pirate it (what a risky
hassle, not to mention selfish for one who can afford to buy it), or
limit myself to free OSes.
--
Joel Crump
Rex Ballard
> >"Rex Ballard" <rex.ball...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:0e877222-4b5b-48a4...@m4g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
>
> >Couldn't resist publishing that benchmark showing
> >how much faster XP was than Windows7 on a machine with only 1 gig of
> >RAM?
> >Microsoft can pull the plug!
>
> And your proof of this is where exactly????
>
> >Couldn't resist the temptation to add extra RAM to your PC?
> >Microsoft can pull the plug!
>
> And your proof of this is where exactly????
>
> >Couldn't resist the temptation to replace the hard drive with one that
> >was faster?
> >Or add a drive?
> >Microsoft can pull the plug!
>
> And your proof of this is where exactly????
>
> >Couldn't resist the temptation to run more than 3 applications
> >on Windows7 for NetBooks?
> >Now Microsoft can pull the plug!
>
> And your proof of this is where exactly????
>
> >Decided to use your "Home Edition" for consulting or for work?
> >Microsoft can pull the plug!
>
> And your proof of this is where exactly????
Read your License agreement - if you'd like to provide a link to a
copy that I can republish with full commentary, I'd be happy to give
you the interpretations. I've done it with the Vista License. I
don't have the current copy of the MSDN license agreement, and I'm not
willing to sign nondisclosure agreements to get a copy. However, I
have seen previous agreements, and they are very explicit that the
License to use Windows under the MSDN license agreement ends shortly
(6 months?) after the official release goes to General Availability
(GA).
Microsoft has had the technology to disable Windows since Windows 95.
License agreements have made the language less and less ambiguous -
with the Vista license spelling it out.
If you really want the detailed breakdown, I'll do it in a new
thread. That way it will get the full attention it deserves.
> >Just because Microsoft CAN pull the plug doesn't mean they will,
>
> And just because you post lies doesn't mean it's true. Tell us again how
> you developed Java, SSL, HTTPS, military weapons, drafted the GPL, etc.
I was one of hundreds who participated in discussions that eventually
led to these technologies. But then, I'm literally prehistoric - I've
been actively engaged in usenet newsgroups since 1983, and I've been
on several private mailing lists that were "by invitation only".
> Grow up Rex. Your posts aren't all that bad and you could probably make some
> interesting points. But when you make retarded claims of how "MS can access
> any data on your computer for any purpose at all..." then you're not doing
> yourself any favors.
The license spell it out. Remember, when a license clause says "You
grant Microsoft permission to collect information SUCH AS
configuration details and software configuration for uses SUCH AS
offers that will enhance your experience, the actual language implied
is "SUCH AS BUT NOT LIMITED TO". If Microsoft wants to take your
personal bank records from Money or Quicken and send them to the IRS,
or take your chats with your mistress and leak them to Fox News, they
are completely within their legal rights to do so, because you gave
them permission to collect any information on your computer SUCH AS
but not LIMITED TO computer configurations (implying even your
personal e-mails, chats, and web browsing history), for uses SUCH AS
BUT NOT LIMITED TO market research (but implies being able to use it
for ANY purpose, including leaks to wherever it will do Microsoft the
most good.
Some of these clauses may have actually been requested by government
agencies such as the NSA, Homeland Security, the FBI, and the CIA.
In theory, even software written for Windows for proprietary software
could be taken by Microsoft and published as their own software -
because you gave them permission to do so.
Most Linux and Unix systems have explicit warnings stating that
unauthorized access, or any unauthorized use of information on the
computer is a crime and will be prosecuted. There are actually
federal laws, in most countries, against "computer trespassing", which
also covers any unauthorized use of information stored on the
computer.
The Microsoft access and information use clauses are explicit
authorization for Microsoft to access and use any information stored
on your computer - without having to get further permission.
You have the right to remain silent, but if you waive that right,
anything you say can be used against you in a court of law.
In exchange for permission to use Vista or Windows 7, you waive your
right to privacy, you wave your intellectual property rights, and you
waive your right to control access to your computer.
When you use Linux, UNIX, BSD, or OS/X, you retain your rights to
privacy, you retain your rights to control and limit access to your
computer, and you retain the right to prosecute anyone who attempts to
access the part of your computer controlled by Linux, UNIX, BSD, or OS/
X.
Ironically, there is a "grey area" when it comes to running a Windows
VM as a Linux or OS/X application. Microsoft retains control over the
VM, but does that right to access extend to the Linux and OS/X portion
of the computer, which is explicitly protected against computer
trespassing?
If Microsoft attempted to claim that the control does extend to the
protected portion, there is a good chance that such a position would
provide a strong incentive to get rid of Windows entirely.
Many corporate customers have rejected Vista precisely BECAUSE their
Legal department has not just vehemently opposed accepting the
license, but because the Legal department has pointed out that to
accept the Vista license would expose the company to liability at
numerous levels.
Terry Porter
> In article <msKdnZU8cKryN_XW...@netspace.net.au>,
> Terry Porter <lin...@netspace.net.au> wrote:
<snip>
>>
>> This is COLA, we advocate Linux here, this is not a new user or Gateway
>> 2104u support group.
>>
> sour receptions don't get much in the way of advocacy.
lacklustre trolling here doesn't get you much in the way of credibility.
>
> Maybe you should say this is a bitching forum and be more correct.
You should know, you're the one bitching.
>> Linux runs on more hardware than any other OS, but you may need decent
>> Linux admin skills to resolve any issues.
>>
> In the same old way it always did it seems. Digging around for drivers,
> arcane command line stuff, all those things that have made Linux such a
> wild success on the desktop, huh?
I think you're just another troll, yawn.
Or maybe you're just another nymshifter, double yawn.
>
>> > It is a Gateway 2104u.
>>
>> I'm happy for you. Please start Googling to solve *your* problem.
>
> No, I'll take a pass.
Too hard for a Mactroll huh ?
> I found out just enough
I'll bet that tiny bit of knowledge was gained at great mental sacrifice,
and both your neurons are now in shock ?
> here to know that Linux
> is still the OS I should love, but don't.
Hahaha, I'm stricken, honestly. I doubt I shall be able to sleep tonight
knowing of your fake Linux unhappiness.
--
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Get your Free copy NOW! http://linuxmint.com/
Gregory Shearman
>
> If you're serious about installing Linux on that computer, why don't you
> post the hardware it runs (chipset, video, wired NIC, wireless NIC, audio)
> and any particulars about the BIOS settings for the drives?
Don't encourage the troll. It hasn't asked for help any other forum,
it's just here to disrupt Linux Advocacy.
Terry Porter
> In article <slrnhmhgtr.b3...@netscape.net>,
> Gregory Shearman <ZekeG...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>> On 2010-02-02, Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@mac.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> > sour receptions don't get much in the way of advocacy.
>>
>> Fuck off then. You are stupid enough to come here expecting help
>> instead of advocacy. You want linux to work on your hardware then do
>> you research BEFORE you buy your hardware. Caveat Emptor.
>>
>> > Maybe you should say this is a bitching forum and be more correct.
>>
>> What would YOU know? Unless you're another annoying troll.
>>
> I wasn't when I started reading here,
No, of course you weren't.
I bet you worked as a caring volunteer for a poverty stricken childrens
care group in Uganda, but now after Peter, Gregories and my nastiness on
COLA, you're going to get a AK47 and mow down a bunch of those sniveling
starving little kids, because WE MADE YOU DO IT!
Or was it the voices in that pinhead of yours ?
> but some of you have made me see
> the light. Trolling is the favorite pasttime here it seems. I see why.
Yeah, yeah, I believe you .... really.
<snip>
>> You buy hardware before checking that it is compatible and then you
>> complain that it doesn't work? I'll be fucked.... some idiots love to
>> throw their money away.
>>
> When I bought it, Linux wasn't even a thought. But then someone told me
> there were some things to take a look at that might interest me. Hence
> I posted here.
Wrong group, wrong place, wrong trolling method. Is that you flathead ?
>
> an *advocate* would have pointed me in the right direction.
I did, I said anywhere but here on COLA.
You're welcome ...
> Either a
> link to websites or forums where Linux on the netbook was the topic
> under discussion and support was available.
How about we wipe your nose as well, perhaps clean and polish your car ?
>
> And thankfully, there were A VERY FEW actual advocates that did just
> that.
Thank GOD!
>
> But then there is the others like you.
Oh the pain, the distress, LINUX IS DOOMED!!!
>
> Thanks for the english lesson.
There ... you DID learn something after all!
> It is nice to know you have such a good
> command of it.
I think Gregorys use of the English language was apt, especially in your
case.
> Look up the word advocate one day, you might be
> surprised what it actually means.
You obviously don't. This is a Linux advocacy group and I've yet to see
you advocate Linux.
I suspect that you are however, intimately familiar with the word "troll"
Terry Porter
> In article <msKdnZo8cKooNfXW...@netspace.net.au>,
> Terry Porter <lin...@netspace.net.au> wrote:
Snip>
>> >
>> > I'm waiting...
>>
>> You keep waiting then ...
>>
>> In the meantime I have Fedora12 running perfectly on a Acer Aspire One
>> (A110) and a Asus EeePC900 for months now.
>>
>> Most recently I ran Mint8 on the Acer Aspire One (A110) and everything
>> was perfect except it didn't handle an external monitor properly.
>>
>> Before that I ran several different Linux distros on my Asus EeePC900
>> with some working better in certain areas than others.
>
> So you're saying that just like years ago, Linux won't install as easily
> as Windows of any variety as well as OSX? Still digging around for
> drivers and running terminal commands?
No I'm not saying:
"Linux won't install as easily as Windows of any variety as well as
OSX? Still digging around for drivers and running terminal commands?"
--
RonB
> If people knew they could keep it for free, they'd download it for the
> purpose of getting it free, before it was even commercially available.
> They'd also be continually using a version that MS would have to test
> updates on.
Perhaps they could reward beta testers, who contributed something to the
process, with free upgrades to the finished product.
--
RonB
Registered Linux User #498581
CentOS 5.4 or Vector Linux Deluxe 6.0
Marti van Lin
> On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 16:41:33 -0600, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>
>> In article <msKdnZo8cKooNfXW...@netspace.net.au>,
>> Terry Porter <lin...@netspace.net.au> wrote:
>
> Snip>
>
>>>> I'm waiting...
>>> You keep waiting then ...
>>>
>>> In the meantime I have Fedora12 running perfectly on a Acer Aspire One
>>> (A110) and a Asus EeePC900 for months now.
>>>
>>> Most recently I ran Mint8 on the Acer Aspire One (A110) and everything
>>> was perfect except it didn't handle an external monitor properly.
>>>
>>> Before that I ran several different Linux distros on my Asus EeePC900
>>> with some working better in certain areas than others.
>> So you're saying that just like years ago, Linux won't install as easily
>> as Windows of any variety as well as OSX? Still digging around for
>> drivers and running terminal commands?
>
> No I'm not saying:
> "Linux won't install as easily as Windows of any variety as well as
> OSX? Still digging around for drivers and running terminal commands?"
This is always funny, they come out of nowhere and /demand/ help in a
/advocacy/ group.
If they don't get their "step by step guidelines" instantly they start
bitching about "Linux's shortcomings" (which mostly have been addressed
years ago).
This is obviously his machine :
http://www.gateway.com/systems/product/529668365.php
Nothing special, so there is no reason GNU/Linux shouldn't run on it.
I first thought he was serious, but this is looking more and more as a
typical galloppinginsanity circus.
Cheers
--
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|_|_|0| http://sites.google.com/site/ml2mst
|0|0|0| http://osgeex.blogspot.com
Sinister Midget III
> On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 14:41:17 -0600, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>
>> In article <hka2h8$hpb$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> RonB <ronb02...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 14:32:04 -0600, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>>
>>> > OK then since I'm being punished for running that bloatware on my
>>> > netbook, where can I get a linux that will install and find its own
>>> > damn drivers and everything just work?
>>> >
>>> > I'm waiting...
>>>
>>> Google is your friend -- there are *several* Linux distributions that
>>> would do the job. Waiting won't do it, you actually have to do
>>> *something.*
>>>
>>> And it's nice to see you completely missed the point of my sarcastic
>>> post.
>>
>> The only one I found that would install from a usb flash stick was
>> Ubuntu Netbook Remix. But even that one had a lot of caveats about
>> potential issues and a very short list of netbooks it would be a plug 'n
>> go on.
>
> Here...
>
> http://www.linux-netbook.com/linux/distributions
>
> There are 43 distributions listed here. I know that (at the very least)
> several will install from a flash drive. Heck, I installed CentOS on to my
> Dell Latitude D400 from a flash drive -- so just about any Linux
> distribution *can* do it -- though some are easier than others.
I've never found a distro that won't install/run from a flash drive or
SD card. Not one. That's the only way I run them on the netbook. I have
found a few that unetbootin wouldn't create properly, though. Good
thing it's not the only means available.
Although I did get an external DVD writer for other things, it makes no
sense using disposable media for that purpose when the flash drives and
SD media work just fine, are cheap and take up so little room they can
be carried in a pocket or some other convenient way.
--
Death is just God's way of dropping carrier.
Sinister Midget III
> Hadron pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>> nessuno <nessu...@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> Personally, I try to support FOSS. I sent $100 to Ubuntu a few days
>>> ago, as thanks for the use of their software... I have done this about
>>> once a year since I started using them (and before that I donated to
>>> Suse, Redhat, Caldera...) The goods they have provided me are easily
>>> worth it.
>>
>> No you haven't.
>
> "Hadron" should keep his yap shut about what "Nessuno" has and hasn't
> contributed monetarily to Ubuntu.
Quirk is a turd. Not even a floater at that.
Speaking of "Hadron", I have a colonoscopy tomorrow. I'll be letting
loose with a whole bunch of "Hadron" later today. Bet mine won't smell
as bad as the one in this thread.
--
You are nobody until you have been ignored by a cat.
Chris Ahlstrom
> Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>
>>>> Alas, after burning 2 more dvds, the results always the same. Some
>>>> totally unrememborable error about the source files and bombed out.
>>>> I'll take a run tomorrow possibly with one of the other netbook oriented
>>>> ones.
>>
>> My last paragraph is exactly what happened. The iso either is defective
>> (unlikely), or something happened to it during download (more likely)
Or during the burning.
>> The netbook is a Gateway 2104u, Atom n450 w/intel 3150 GMA.
>>
>> Wireless : Atheros AR5B93
>> Wired : Atheros AR8132
Hmmm, the wireless is an odd number. All I can find right now is
indications it is an issue in both Linux and Windows.
--
Good day to deal with people in high places; particularly lonely stewardesses.
Chris Ahlstrom
> On 2010-02-03, Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@launchmodem.com> wrote:
>>
>> If you're serious about installing Linux on that computer, why don't you
>> post the hardware it runs (chipset, video, wired NIC, wireless NIC, audio)
>> and any particulars about the BIOS settings for the drives?
>
> Don't encourage the troll. It hasn't asked for help any other forum,
> it's just here to disrupt Linux Advocacy.
Could be. Chortling about the "arcane command-line" is always a bad sign,
as is getting pets from the insane Quark troll.
I am curious about the wireless NIC now, though.
--
You will be the last person to buy a Chrysler.
Chris Ahlstrom
> http://www.gateway.com/systems/product/529668365.php
Thanks for the link.
> Nothing special, so there is no reason GNU/Linux shouldn't run on it.
>
> I first thought he was serious, but this is looking more and more as a
> typical galloppinginsanity circus.
We shall see.
--
You'll feel much better once you've given up hope.
Sinister Midget III
> Lloyd Parsons pulled this Usenet boner:
>> My first run to get Linux on the netbook ended in failure. I decided to
>> get Ubuntu Netbook Remix as it seemed one of the most likely.
>> Downloaded the isi, created the DVD and attempted to run the avb-creator
>> to create the flash image for a 1st run.
>>
>> Alas, after burning 2 more dvds, the results always the same. Some
>> totally unrememborable error about the source files and bombed out.
>> I'll take a run tomorrow possibly with one of the other netbook oriented
>> ones.
>
> That last paragraph doesn't pass the smell test.
I'd say the first one above smelled worse than the other. Jumped right
out with the insult, as though it was another nym for one of our
(Flatso) trolls.
Some "totally unrememorable (sic) error about the source file" sounds
more like a bad burn or download, not something to do with linux.
> Except, of course, that the smell attracted another newsgroup pest.
>
> If you're serious about installing Linux on that computer, why don't you
> post the hardware it runs (chipset, video, wired NIC, wireless NIC, audio)
> and any particulars about the BIOS settings for the drives?
Or the netbook model. Probably one of us has one just like it.
--
A fool and his money are my two favourite people.
Terry Porter
That's a excellent nose you have there Marti :)
You can smell a troll a mile away!
chrisv
> Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@mac.com> wrote:
>>
>> So you're saying that just like years ago, Linux won't install as easily
>> as Windows of any variety as well as OSX? Still digging around for
>> drivers and running terminal commands?
Your FUD is about 10 years old, troll.
>Windows is easy to install? Pull the other one, fuckwit.
Well, they are getting there, with Win7.
M$ behind the curve, as usual.
Ezekiel
>"Rex Ballard" <rex.b...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:d863fe41-05b9-44b9...@l26g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>On Feb 2, 12:50 pm, "Ezekiel" <not-z...@the-zeke.com> wrote:
>
>> Grow up Rex. Your posts aren't all that bad and you could probably make
>> some
>> interesting points. But when you make retarded claims of how "MS can
>> access
>> any data on your computer for any purpose at all..." then you're not
>> doing
>> yourself any favors.
>
>The license spell it out. Remember, when a license clause says "You
>grant Microsoft permission to collect information SUCH AS
>configuration details and software configuration for uses SUCH AS
>offers that will enhance your experience, the actual language implied
>is "SUCH AS BUT NOT LIMITED TO". If Microsoft wants to take your
>personal bank records from Money or Quicken and send them to the IRS,
>or take your chats with your mistress and leak them to Fox News, they
>are completely within their legal rights to do so, because you gave
>them permission to collect any information on your computer SUCH AS
>but not LIMITED TO computer configurations (implying even your
>personal e-mails, chats, and web browsing history), for uses SUCH AS
>BUT NOT LIMITED TO market research (but implies being able to use it
>for ANY purpose, including leaks to wherever it will do Microsoft the
>most good.
>
Bullshit Rex. Let's see some proof. This is completely bullshit and you know
it, I know it and everyone knows it. There is absolutely ZERO chance that:
-> If Microsoft wants to take your personal bank records from Money or
Quicken and send them to the IRS,
-> or take your chats with your mistress and leak them to Fox News, they are
completely within their legal rights to do so
Bullshit. Let me make this very clear for you - YOU ARE A LIAR.
Lloyd Parsons
Sinister Midget III <a...@myeeemobile.com> wrote:
> On 2010-02-03, Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@launchmodem.com> claimed:
> > Lloyd Parsons pulled this Usenet boner:
>
> >> My first run to get Linux on the netbook ended in failure. I decided to
> >> get Ubuntu Netbook Remix as it seemed one of the most likely.
> >> Downloaded the isi, created the DVD and attempted to run the avb-creator
> >> to create the flash image for a 1st run.
> >>
> >> Alas, after burning 2 more dvds, the results always the same. Some
> >> totally unrememborable error about the source files and bombed out.
> >> I'll take a run tomorrow possibly with one of the other netbook oriented
> >> ones.
> >
> > That last paragraph doesn't pass the smell test.
>
> I'd say the first one above smelled worse than the other. Jumped right
> out with the insult, as though it was another nym for one of our
> (Flatso) trolls.
>
Only after a few flaming posts from others here. I give what I get.
> Some "totally unrememorable (sic) error about the source file" sounds
> more like a bad burn or download, not something to do with linux.
>
Which I said in a later post. I don't think it is the burn as I did it
twice and verified both times. I'll be downloading later. This morning
the doc wants to do her semi-annual 'see if my heart still beats'
checkup and of course the nice bill that goes with it. :)
> > Except, of course, that the smell attracted another newsgroup pest.
> >
> > If you're serious about installing Linux on that computer, why don't you
> > post the hardware it runs (chipset, video, wired NIC, wireless NIC, audio)
> > and any particulars about the BIOS settings for the drives?
>
> Or the netbook model. Probably one of us has one just like it.
I did post it. Gateway 2104u
Lloyd Parsons
I am serious, but I respond to posts in the manner I am responded to.
And I don't believe I 'demanded' anything. I would have been perfectly
happy if someone had pointed to a few spots to do some reading on or get
support from, for Linux on netbooks.
Fortunately some did just that, and I thank them.
Lloyd Parsons
Terry Porter <lin...@netspace.net.au> wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 19:13:56 -0600, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>
> > In article <slrnhmhgtr.b3...@netscape.net>,
> > Gregory Shearman <ZekeG...@netscape.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2010-02-02, Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@mac.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> > sour receptions don't get much in the way of advocacy.
> >>
> >> Fuck off then. You are stupid enough to come here expecting help
> >> instead of advocacy. You want linux to work on your hardware then do
> >> you research BEFORE you buy your hardware. Caveat Emptor.
> >>
> >> > Maybe you should say this is a bitching forum and be more correct.
> >>
> >> What would YOU know? Unless you're another annoying troll.
> >>
> > I wasn't when I started reading here,
>
> No, of course you weren't.
>
> I bet you worked as a caring volunteer for a poverty stricken childrens
> care group in Uganda, but now after Peter, Gregories and my nastiness on
> COLA, you're going to get a AK47 and mow down a bunch of those sniveling
> starving little kids, because WE MADE YOU DO IT!
>
> Or was it the voices in that pinhead of yours ?
>
I'm comfortably retired after a career in the Navy and then another one
in the local computer business arena. Now I have time to spend my kids
inheritance and fiddle around with technology that has nothing to do
with how I used to make my living.
> > but some of you have made me see
> > the light. Trolling is the favorite pasttime here it seems. I see why.
>
> Yeah, yeah, I believe you .... really.
>
> <snip>
>
> >> You buy hardware before checking that it is compatible and then you
> >> complain that it doesn't work? I'll be fucked.... some idiots love to
> >> throw their money away.
> >>
> > When I bought it, Linux wasn't even a thought. But then someone told me
> > there were some things to take a look at that might interest me. Hence
> > I posted here.
>
> Wrong group, wrong place, wrong trolling method. Is that you flathead ?
>
> >
> > an *advocate* would have pointed me in the right direction.
>
> I did, I said anywhere but here on COLA.
>
which was of no help at all
> You're welcome ...
>
> > Either a
> > link to websites or forums where Linux on the netbook was the topic
> > under discussion and support was available.
>
> How about we wipe your nose as well, perhaps clean and polish your car ?
>
Would you? My Buick is looking nasty after the snow and clearance.
> >
> > And thankfully, there were A VERY FEW actual advocates that did just
> > that.
>
> Thank GOD!
>
> >
> > But then there is the others like you.
>
> Oh the pain, the distress, LINUX IS DOOMED!!!
>
>
> >
> > Thanks for the english lesson.
>
> There ... you DID learn something after all!
>
> > It is nice to know you have such a good
> > command of it.
>
> I think Gregorys use of the English language was apt, especially in your
> case.
>
> > Look up the word advocate one day, you might be
> > surprised what it actually means.
>
> You obviously don't. This is a Linux advocacy group and I've yet to see
> you advocate Linux.
>
Hard to do when it isn't running on any of my machines yet. :)
> I suspect that you are however, intimately familiar with the word "troll"
Yeah, see a lot of them over on CSMA every day.
Lloyd Parsons
Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@launchmodem.com> wrote:
When I read a couple of web site docs, the wireless NIC might be an
issue, seems some are. I hopefully will know more by the end of today.
Lloyd Parsons
GreyCloud <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
Thanks, I've got it bookmarked for later when I have some time.
Lloyd Parsons
Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@launchmodem.com> wrote:
> GreyCloud pulled this Usenet boner:
>
> > Lloyd Parsons wrote:
> >
> >>>> Alas, after burning 2 more dvds, the results always the same. Some
> >>>> totally unrememborable error about the source files and bombed out.
> >>>> I'll take a run tomorrow possibly with one of the other netbook oriented
> >>>> ones.
> >>
> >> My last paragraph is exactly what happened. The iso either is defective
> >> (unlikely), or something happened to it during download (more likely)
>
> Or during the burning.
>
> >> The netbook is a Gateway 2104u, Atom n450 w/intel 3150 GMA.
> >>
> >> Wireless : Atheros AR5B93
> >> Wired : Atheros AR8132
>
> Hmmm, the wireless is an odd number. All I can find right now is
> indications it is an issue in both Linux and Windows.
It does work with W7 just fine, don't know about other OS's though. In
fact this little netbook on wireless 'g' does a very good job with
Netflix streaming, not so good with Hulu, but then Hulu isn't the most
smooth stream out their either. I was surprised at the performance,
wasn't expecting that.
Lloyd Parsons
GreyCloud <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
?netinstall? - sounds interesting.
And yes, this is something to play with in my golden years, you should
know about that! :)
I dont' want to load it on the HD yet as I've not created recovery disks
for it, and Gateway doesn't have a recovery partition. Which means I
have to dig around for an external DVD burner, or just go buy one. I
know I have a case, so only the drive is needed.
Hadron
>
>> I suspect that you are however, intimately familiar with the word "troll"
>
> Yeah, see a lot of them over on CSMA every day.
Welcome to COLA. A worse den of ignorance, scum and villainy you are not likely to
find in the outer reaches of the net. Only in COLA could the "advocates"
be such nasty little know nothings. Terry used to boast how he
controlled his clients PCs using telnet without their knowledge.
Hadron
> Gregory Shearman pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>> On 2010-02-03, Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@launchmodem.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> If you're serious about installing Linux on that computer, why don't you
>>> post the hardware it runs (chipset, video, wired NIC, wireless NIC, audio)
>>> and any particulars about the BIOS settings for the drives?
>>
>> Don't encourage the troll. It hasn't asked for help any other forum,
>> it's just here to disrupt Linux Advocacy.
>
> Could be. Chortling about the "arcane command-line" is always a bad sign,
> as is getting pets from the insane Quark troll.
And you are, of course, a liar.
The command line has it place.
You will, however, remember me recommending wicd only for arseholes like
you to claim command line wpa-supplicant configuration was "as easy"
when it clearly was not.
>
> I am curious about the wireless NIC now, though.
No you're not. You're panting like a lap dog on the lead to impress the
"advocates".
JEDIDIAH
>
>
> In article <slrnhmhh1i.b3...@netscape.net>,
> Gregory Shearman <ZekeG...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>> On 2010-02-02, Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@mac.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > So you're saying that just like years ago, Linux won't install as easily
>> > as Windows of any variety as well as OSX? Still digging around for
>> > drivers and running terminal commands?
>>
>> Windows is easy to install? Pull the other one, fuckwit.
>>
>> You've never installed windows and you don't use Linux.
>>
>> > If so, then I might not be waiting at all! :)
>>
>> Fuck off.
>>
>> <PLONK>
>
> another super pleasant post strongly 'advocating' Linux!
>
> this is hilarious!
...some things simply defy belief.
"digging around for drivers" is strictly Windows stuff. You simply
don't "dig around for drivers" with Linux. That's a Windows-ism and
perhaps a Mac-ism.
Linux drivers are distributed with the kernel.
Windows installs easily if you are talking about a vendor recovery
disk targeted for a particular make and model of machine. Past that,
you will be "digging around for drivers".
--
In a "stable" but "inconsistent" system, the end user only |||
has to adapt once rather than needing to adapt any time a / | \
new version of the relevant shovelware is released.
Ezekiel
"JEDIDIAH" <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
news:slrnhmj69...@nomad.mishnet...
> On 2010-02-03, Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> In article <slrnhmhh1i.b3...@netscape.net>,
>> Gregory Shearman <ZekeG...@netscape.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2010-02-02, Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@mac.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > So you're saying that just like years ago, Linux won't install as
>>> > easily
>>> > as Windows of any variety as well as OSX? Still digging around for
>>> > drivers and running terminal commands?
>>>
>>> Windows is easy to install? Pull the other one, fuckwit.
>>>
>>> You've never installed windows and you don't use Linux.
>>>
>>> > If so, then I might not be waiting at all! :)
>>>
>>> Fuck off.
>>>
>>> <PLONK>
>>
>> another super pleasant post strongly 'advocating' Linux!
>>
>> this is hilarious!
>
> ...some things simply defy belief.
>
> "digging around for drivers" is strictly Windows stuff. You simply
> don't "dig around for drivers" with Linux. That's a Windows-ism and
> perhaps a Mac-ism.
>
> Linux drivers are distributed with the kernel.
Really? So if someone wants to play MP3 files or DVDs on Linux then the
driver is already there? There's no need to go and download anything?
Get back on your turnip wagon JED. Reality is too scary for a lemming like
you.
Chris Ahlstrom
> "JEDIDIAH" <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
>
>> "digging around for drivers" is strictly Windows stuff. You simply
>> don't "dig around for drivers" with Linux. That's a Windows-ism and
>> perhaps a Mac-ism.
>>
>> Linux drivers are distributed with the kernel.
>
> Really? So if someone wants to play MP3 files or DVDs on Linux then the
> driver is already there? There's no need to go and download anything?
The driver is already there.
For certain codec, you may have to enable the appropriate "non-free"
repository for your distro.
> Get back on your turnip wagon JED. Reality is too scary for a lemming like
> you.
Actually, it is even worse for Windows than Jed states. Not only do you
have to dig for drivers (though Win 7 improves this situation a lot), you
often have to dig for codecs.
--
Tuesday is the Wednesday of the rest of your life.
Ezekiel
"Chris Ahlstrom" <ahls...@launchmodem.com> wrote in message
news:hkc9sq$isf$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
> Ezekiel pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>> "JEDIDIAH" <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
>>
>>> "digging around for drivers" is strictly Windows stuff. You simply
>>> don't "dig around for drivers" with Linux. That's a Windows-ism and
>>> perhaps a Mac-ism.
>>>
>>> Linux drivers are distributed with the kernel.
>>
>> Really? So if someone wants to play MP3 files or DVDs on Linux then the
>> driver is already there? There's no need to go and download anything?
>
> The driver is already there.
>
> For certain codec, you may have to enable the appropriate "non-free"
> repository for your distro.
For ninety-something percent of the people in the world - the terms "driver"
and "codec" are a distinction without a difference. For all practical
purposes a "codec" is just a type of driver.
What I mean by the last sentence is what exactly is the difference between a
"printer driver" and a "codec." Neither one talks directly to the hardware.
The printer driver opens up a usb/lpt/network connection and never
interfaces directly with the printer itself. If a "printer driver" is going
to be catagorized as a "driver" then a codec is just as much of a driver.
But ultimately it doesn't matter to the average user - these are both
"drivers" that need to be downloaded and installed and they are *NOT*
distributed with the kernel.
JEDIDIAH
Now you are confusing codecs with drivers.
Why should I be surprised, this sort of gross techinical cluelessness
from an Apple cheerleader.
>
> Get back on your turnip wagon JED. Reality is too scary for a lemming like
> you.
Actually, MacOS comes DEAD LAST when it comes to this particular use case.
Sure, you're fine if you are content to stay in the rather small stall that
Jobs wants you in. The moment you venture out of that however, it's rather
bad (or sad depending on your point of view).
Even if the likes of Ubuntu didn't automatically install new codecs on
an as needed basis, there would still be the central repository to draw
from. Linux is infact superior to MacOS in this regard. So is Windows actually.
While the Windows version of this won't be completely automated, at least
the default media player will point you to where you can download appropriate
extra libraries. MacOS just sends you on a generic dead end. At least WMP seems
to have an awareness of what you need to download.
Ubuntu: completely automatic.
Windows: automated search.
MacOS: sent to a dead end.
--
MSOffice is completely unremarkable except for the fact |||
that it is most compatable with itself. / | \
JEDIDIAH
>
>> "JEDIDIAH" <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
>>
>>> "digging around for drivers" is strictly Windows stuff. You simply
>>> don't "dig around for drivers" with Linux. That's a Windows-ism and
>>> perhaps a Mac-ism.
>>>
>>> Linux drivers are distributed with the kernel.
>>
>> Really? So if someone wants to play MP3 files or DVDs on Linux then the
>> driver is already there? There's no need to go and download anything?
>
> The driver is already there.
>
> For certain codec, you may have to enable the appropriate "non-free"
> repository for your distro.
It depends. That may be the extent of it. Or the distribution might
prompt you to enable the non-free stuff and then go ahead and install all
of what you need with just a few clicks.
>
>> Get back on your turnip wagon JED. Reality is too scary for a lemming like
>> you.
>
> Actually, it is even worse for Windows than Jed states. Not only do you
> have to dig for drivers (though Win 7 improves this situation a lot), you
> often have to dig for codecs.
>
Zeke needs to lay off the kool-aid.
JEDIDIAH
> news:hkc9sq$isf$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Ezekiel pulled this Usenet boner:
>>
>>> "JEDIDIAH" <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
>>>
>>>> "digging around for drivers" is strictly Windows stuff. You simply
>>>> don't "dig around for drivers" with Linux. That's a Windows-ism and
>>>> perhaps a Mac-ism.
>>>>
>>>> Linux drivers are distributed with the kernel.
>>>
>>> Really? So if someone wants to play MP3 files or DVDs on Linux then the
>>> driver is already there? There's no need to go and download anything?
>>
>> The driver is already there.
>>
>> For certain codec, you may have to enable the appropriate "non-free"
>> repository for your distro.
>
> For ninety-something percent of the people in the world - the terms "driver"
> and "codec" are a distinction without a difference. For all practical
> purposes a "codec" is just a type of driver.
...it doesn't matter either way.
For a Mac, you will be beating the bushes yourself.
For Linux, it will either be completely automated or what you need will
be in a nice centralized location that's trivial to search even with a
GUI.
[deletia]
This doesn't alter the fact that you are intentionally ignorant and
appear to be proud of it too.
Ezekiel
"JEDIDIAH" <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
No I'm not. You're the one confusing the generic term "drivers" with
something specific like a "device driver."
> Why should I be surprised, this sort of gross techinical cluelessness
> from an Apple cheerleader.
Then do explain the technical difference between a "printer driver" and a
"codec" in terms of what's being discussed here. How is one a "driver" and
the other "not a driver."
Ezekiel
"JEDIDIAH" <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
> On 2010-02-03, Ezekiel <not-...@the-zeke.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> "Chris Ahlstrom" <ahls...@launchmodem.com> wrote in message
>> news:hkc9sq$isf$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Ezekiel pulled this Usenet boner:
>>>
>>>> "JEDIDIAH" <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>> "digging around for drivers" is strictly Windows stuff. You simply
>>>>> don't "dig around for drivers" with Linux. That's a Windows-ism and
>>>>> perhaps a Mac-ism.
>>>>>
>>>>> Linux drivers are distributed with the kernel.
>>>>
>>>> Really? So if someone wants to play MP3 files or DVDs on Linux then the
>>>> driver is already there? There's no need to go and download anything?
>>>
>>> The driver is already there.
>>>
>>> For certain codec, you may have to enable the appropriate "non-free"
>>> repository for your distro.
>>
>> For ninety-something percent of the people in the world - the terms
>> "driver"
>> and "codec" are a distinction without a difference. For all practical
>> purposes a "codec" is just a type of driver.
>
> ...it doesn't matter either way.
>
> For a Mac, you will be beating the bushes yourself.
Really. So if someone puts a DVD in their Mac or tries to play an MP3 file
you're claiming that it's not going to work for them?
> For Linux, it will either be completely automated or what you need will
> be in a nice centralized location that's trivial to search even with a
> GUI.
Trival to search with a GUI you say. So if an Ubuntu user selects the
Applications->Add/Remove Apps menu item and searches for "DVD" the 43 (on my
machine) matches should they install? Or do they first need to enable
"extra repositories" and how are they supposed to know what repositories are
and that they need to enable externals ones? Is this something that is
inherently intuitive to computer users?
> This doesn't alter the fact that you are intentionally ignorant and
> appear to be proud of it too.
How very Kohlman of you. I see that you're another lemming who likes to
throw insults around without actually having anything to back them up with.
Terry Porter
> In article <msKdnZE8cKr9jvTW...@netspace.net.au>,
> Terry Porter <lin...@netspace.net.au> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 19:13:56 -0600, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
<snip>
>> > an *advocate* would have pointed me in the right direction.
>>
>> I did, I said anywhere but here on COLA.
>>
> which was of no help at all
Don't move the goalpost please. You said "an *advocate* would have
pointed me in the right direction."
You didn't say "an *advocate* would have helped me", for obvious reasons.
<snip>
>> How about we wipe your nose as well, perhaps clean and polish your car
>> ?
>>
> Would you? My Buick is looking nasty after the snow and clearance.
Sure, no problem.
<snip>
>> > Look up the word advocate one day, you might be
>> > surprised what it actually means.
>>
>> You obviously don't. This is a Linux advocacy group and I've yet to see
>> you advocate Linux.
>>
> Hard to do when it isn't running on any of my machines yet. :)
As I said, you're in the wrong newsgroup, because the charter of this one
is :-
"For discussion of the benefits of GNU/Linux compared to other
operating systems."
>
>> I suspect that you are however, intimately familiar with the word
>> "troll"
>
> Yeah, see a lot of them over on CSMA every day.
There are plenty of them here on COLA. You can tell the old established
trolls easily, they're the ones currently cozying up to you.
Lloyd Parsons
Terry Porter <lin...@netspace.net.au> wrote:
You mean the trolls are helping, kind of like advocating? :)
BTW, Ubuntu Nebook Remix is up and running on the netbook.
I'll fiddle around a bit and see how I like it, then I'll know whether
to advocate for it, or agin' it.
JEDIDIAH
Like I said in the other post. Apple is fine as long as what you want
to do is "built in". The momemnt you want to do anything remotely interesting,
it instantly degrades.
My example du jour is using the MPEG files from a Sony Handicam.
>
>
>> For Linux, it will either be completely automated or what you need will
>> be in a nice centralized location that's trivial to search even with a
>> GUI.
>
> Trival to search with a GUI you say. So if an Ubuntu user selects the
> Applications->Add/Remove Apps menu item and searches for "DVD" the 43 (on my
The media player automates everything.
[deletia]
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iTunes is not progressive. It's a throwback. |||
/ | \
JEDIDIAH
...it's nice how you've fixated on this particular red herring and
completely ignored (and deleted) the more substantive part of my reply.
Richard Rasker
> <Quote>
> Microsoft will soon put the screws on those still running last year's
> free preview of Windows 7 by incessantly shutting down their PC.
>
> Starting on February 15, Windows 7 Release Candidate will begin
> displaying a friendly notice every few hours to either get paying or
> get bent. Come March 1, the PC will begin a regimen of automatic shut
> down every two hours.
[snip]
The old drug dealer tactics. Get 'em hooked with free stuff initially,
choke 'em for cash afterwards.
Apparently, a monopolist with a rap sheet containing multiple convictions
can get away with it, as long as they keep the billions rolling in.
Besides, all those idiots who joined in the Vista7 RC testfest knew what
they were getting themselves into.
So nothing new here, please move along.
Richard Rasker
--
http://www.linetec.nl
Chris Ahlstrom
> BTW, Ubuntu Nebook Remix is up and running on the netbook.
>
> I'll fiddle around a bit and see how I like it, then I'll know whether
> to advocate for it, or agin' it.
Whatever you do, stick to the facts! Don't generalize.
--
You'll be called to a post requiring ability in handling groups of people.
Moshe Goldfarb
> Besides, all those idiots who joined in the Vista7 RC testfest knew what
> they were getting themselves into.
Yea, but it's pretty sad when a Windows beta program runs better
and attracts more attention than the 500+ different free versions
of Linux.
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2/3/2010 6:16:28 PM