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Kari Laine
May 9, 2012, 4:25:53 AM5/9/12
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Hi Snit,
I have to get a Mac. What I need to run Linux and Windows virtual
machines on top of OS X? Any free programs available ?
:-)
Kari
I have to get a Mac. What I need to run Linux and Windows virtual
machines on top of OS X? Any free programs available ?
:-)
Kari
Peter Köhlmann
May 9, 2012, 4:55:27 AM5/9/12
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Alternativly, install them as Dual/Triple Boot.
You need Grub2 for linux, though, to make that a simple process, because the
Mac uses UEFI and not a standard BIOS
7
May 9, 2012, 9:05:33 AM5/9/12
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Easier to buy a brand new PC and run Linux 24/7!
Cost of PC with micoshaft tax about 200 UK pounds.
Put an SSD and it goes up to 300 UK pounds but your machine
will be just too fast for words - between 10 and 20 seconds to boot.
Get one with AMD APU and the graphics is integrated into the CPU
and thats a whole faster (I MEAN INCREDIBLY FASTER) than standard
PCs with external graphics cards.
Second hand PC just as good and option and faster than virtualbox - about
50 UK pounds on ebay.
Hadron
May 9, 2012, 10:01:37 AM5/9/12
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7 <email_at_www_at_en...@enemygadgets.com> writes:
> Kari Laine wrote:
>
>> Hi Snit,
>>
>> I have to get a Mac. What I need to run Linux and Windows virtual
>> machines on top of OS X? Any free programs available ?
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Kari
>
> But why?
>
> Easier to buy a brand new PC and run Linux 24/7!
> Cost of PC with micoshaft tax about 200 UK pounds.
> Put an SSD and it goes up to 300 UK pounds but your machine
> will be just too fast for words - between 10 and 20 seconds to boot.
> Get one with AMD APU and the graphics is integrated into the CPU
> and thats a whole faster (I MEAN INCREDIBLY FASTER) than standard
> PCs with external graphics cards.
You're a clueless fuckwit.
> Kari Laine wrote:
>
>> Hi Snit,
>>
>> I have to get a Mac. What I need to run Linux and Windows virtual
>> machines on top of OS X? Any free programs available ?
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Kari
>
> But why?
>
> Easier to buy a brand new PC and run Linux 24/7!
> Cost of PC with micoshaft tax about 200 UK pounds.
> Put an SSD and it goes up to 300 UK pounds but your machine
> will be just too fast for words - between 10 and 20 seconds to boot.
> Get one with AMD APU and the graphics is integrated into the CPU
> and thats a whole faster (I MEAN INCREDIBLY FASTER) than standard
> PCs with external graphics cards.
Snit
May 9, 2012, 10:18:28 AM5/9/12
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On 5/9/12 1:25 AM, in article d5GdnQkZYMkIsTfS...@giganews.com,
There are free programs, or at least one: VirtualBox. I tried it and found
it to not work as well as Parallels. While Parallels can sometimes be a bit
slow in their updates for Linux, overall their drivers are better for Linux
and for Window and you will get better results / integration with that.
So that is what I use: Parallels - and it has served me very well. Another
choice is VMWare, but I found they tend to be behind Parallels... with that
said, I stopped using both a couple versions ago and have just stuck with
Parallels. It might be that VMWare has caught up (though the reviews I have
read generally still rate Parallels as higher) - they certainly have a good
history and name with virtual machines.
My advice: try VirtualBox. If you find it works well for you then stick
with it. If you find the video drivers are quirky and there are other
problems - then move up to Parallels (though I believe you will have to do a
full re-install).
Curious: what is your need for the virtual machines... that might change a
bit of my suggestion above. And just curious. :)
--
cc:
-----
Clearly, I don't understand what I read.
-----
it to not work as well as Parallels. While Parallels can sometimes be a bit
slow in their updates for Linux, overall their drivers are better for Linux
and for Window and you will get better results / integration with that.
So that is what I use: Parallels - and it has served me very well. Another
choice is VMWare, but I found they tend to be behind Parallels... with that
said, I stopped using both a couple versions ago and have just stuck with
Parallels. It might be that VMWare has caught up (though the reviews I have
read generally still rate Parallels as higher) - they certainly have a good
history and name with virtual machines.
My advice: try VirtualBox. If you find it works well for you then stick
with it. If you find the video drivers are quirky and there are other
problems - then move up to Parallels (though I believe you will have to do a
full re-install).
Curious: what is your need for the virtual machines... that might change a
bit of my suggestion above. And just curious. :)
--
cc:
-----
Clearly, I don't understand what I read.
-----
Clogwog
May 9, 2012, 10:39:45 AM5/9/12
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"7" <email_at_www_at_en...@enemygadgets.com> schreef in
bericht news:EYtqr.400232$o93.3...@fx05.am4...
7 - year after year of baby talk, gibberish, outlandish lies, false
accomplishments, claiming credit for others work, and trying to swindle
people with his vapor products.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!, you moron!
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
bericht news:EYtqr.400232$o93.3...@fx05.am4...
> Kari Laine wrote:
>
>> Hi Snit,
>>
>> I have to get a Mac. What I need to run Linux and Windows virtual
>> machines on top of OS X? Any free programs available ?
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Kari
>
>
> But why?
>
Are you denser than igneous rock?
>
>> Hi Snit,
>>
>> I have to get a Mac. What I need to run Linux and Windows virtual
>> machines on top of OS X? Any free programs available ?
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Kari
>
>
> But why?
>
7 - year after year of baby talk, gibberish, outlandish lies, false
accomplishments, claiming credit for others work, and trying to swindle
people with his vapor products.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!, you moron!
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
Foster
May 9, 2012, 10:41:49 AM5/9/12
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On Wed, 09 May 2012 14:05:33 +0100, 7 wrote:
> Kari Laine wrote:
>
>> Hi Snit,
>>
>> I have to get a Mac. What I need to run Linux and Windows virtual
>> machines on top of OS X? Any free programs available ?
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Kari
>
>
> But why?
Good question.
> Kari Laine wrote:
>
>> Hi Snit,
>>
>> I have to get a Mac. What I need to run Linux and Windows virtual
>> machines on top of OS X? Any free programs available ?
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Kari
>
>
> But why?
Why anyone would want to hose up a fine machine like Apple makes
with Linux is beyond reason.
OSX is a great operating system.
Linux is crap, at least for the desktop.
Clogwog
May 9, 2012, 11:04:00 AM5/9/12
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"Snit" <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> schreef in bericht
news:CBCFCAC4.952%use...@gallopinginsanity.com...
Do you love being offended by Kari?, Snit.
He called you an "Apple employed troll", without any reason.
He should apologize first or else being put on "The Official Liszt" for
fuckwits, who will *never* receive any help from savant individuals like you
and me! ;-)
news:CBCFCAC4.952%use...@gallopinginsanity.com...
He called you an "Apple employed troll", without any reason.
He should apologize first or else being put on "The Official Liszt" for
fuckwits, who will *never* receive any help from savant individuals like you
and me! ;-)
Snit
May 9, 2012, 11:23:39 AM5/9/12
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On 5/9/12 8:04 AM, in article 201205091503...@smtp.cobalt.loc,
While there are some who take their BS to such extremes I keep their BS in
mind, for the most part I take each post as it comes. He asked me a
reasonable question in a reasonable way. I answered in kind.
And I would do so again.
mind, for the most part I take each post as it comes. He asked me a
reasonable question in a reasonable way. I answered in kind.
And I would do so again.
Snit
May 9, 2012, 12:52:11 PM5/9/12
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On 5/9/12 7:41 AM, in article lsg9mtah0kwx$.to96u9vt...@40tude.net,
Still, I encourage folks who want to be knowledgeable about technology to
learn about the alternatives. I think it is great when people want to take
a look at Linux and work with it themselves. Some might even find it serves
there needs well - though, as the evidence shows, such instances are rare.
--
"Stallman thinks it's okay to have sex with 15 year olds (even
though there's no evidence he's done so himself), so he's
advocating child abuse." - cc
learn about the alternatives. I think it is great when people want to take
a look at Linux and work with it themselves. Some might even find it serves
there needs well - though, as the evidence shows, such instances are rare.
--
"Stallman thinks it's okay to have sex with 15 year olds (even
though there's no evidence he's done so himself), so he's
advocating child abuse." - cc
GreyCloud
May 9, 2012, 1:56:55 PM5/9/12
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The idiots didn't take into account that the G5 runs pretty hot and
forgot to turn on the cooling fans. A bit of smoke started to come out,
so I pulled the plug. Another disastrous distro.
Of course the mac survived.
Foster
May 9, 2012, 2:19:04 PM5/9/12
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with.
Sometimes I wonder if anyone actually tests these distributions
before turning them loose on the unsuspecting public.
7
May 9, 2012, 2:23:28 PM5/9/12
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Chris Ahlstrom
May 9, 2012, 5:18:32 PM5/9/12
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After swilling some grog, 7 belched this bit o' wisdom:
> Hadron wrote:
>
>> I'm a clueless fuckwit.
Corrected.
> Thats no way to talk to the man in the mirror Hardon.
"Hadron" *hates* himself. He'd do away with himself if he couldn't
redirect his hate to us.
--
If I’d had some set idea of a finish line, don’t you think I would have
crossed it years ago?
-- Bill Gates
> Hadron wrote:
>
>> I'm a clueless fuckwit.
Corrected.
> Thats no way to talk to the man in the mirror Hardon.
redirect his hate to us.
--
If I’d had some set idea of a finish line, don’t you think I would have
crossed it years ago?
-- Bill Gates
GreyCloud
May 9, 2012, 5:27:09 PM5/9/12
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DFS
May 9, 2012, 5:46:35 PM5/9/12
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On 5/9/2012 5:18 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> After swilling some grog, 7 belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Hadron wrote:
>>
>>> I'm a clueless fuckwit.
>
> Corrected.
giggle!
> After swilling some grog, 7 belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Hadron wrote:
>>
>>> I'm a clueless fuckwit.
>
> Corrected.
>> Thats no way to talk to the man in the mirror Hardon.
>
> "Hadron" *hates* himself. He'd do away with himself if he couldn't
> redirect his hate to us.
Hadron
May 9, 2012, 6:15:58 PM5/9/12
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Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@xzoozy.com> writes:
> After swilling some grog, 7 belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Hadron wrote:
>>
>>> I'm a clueless fuckwit.
>
> Corrected.
>
>> Thats no way to talk to the man in the mirror Hardon.
>
> "Hadron" *hates* himself. He'd do away with himself if he couldn't
> redirect his hate to us.
What "hate"? I dont hate you. I pity you. Fool.
> After swilling some grog, 7 belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Hadron wrote:
>>
>>> I'm a clueless fuckwit.
>
> Corrected.
>
>> Thats no way to talk to the man in the mirror Hardon.
>
> "Hadron" *hates* himself. He'd do away with himself if he couldn't
> redirect his hate to us.
Kari Laine
May 10, 2012, 1:12:14 PM5/10/12
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Didn't realize VirtualBox works in OS X.
Kari
Kari Laine
May 10, 2012, 1:18:47 PM5/10/12
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like the idea but it pays the bills :-)
And may I add it pays the bill quite good because the Mac users
typically are used to pay through their nose :-)
Kari
Kari Laine
May 10, 2012, 1:30:24 PM5/10/12
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work. When the magical smoke starts to escape from components you are
typically at the point of no return and you have to replace components :-)
In other words if smoke was coming out from that Mac it won't survive that
Kari
Snit
May 10, 2012, 2:53:34 PM5/10/12
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On 5/10/12 10:30 AM, in article
rr2dnfOCmfgoYDbS...@giganews.com, "Kari Laine"
I had an old Apple IIe which overheated and part of it even was sparking (a
third party modem I had added). I remove that... the inside of the case was
covered in soot from a small fire in the case.
The machine worked fine after that. The modem, of course, did not.
--
"I find prostitution repulsive, therefore I think it should be illegal." -cc
rr2dnfOCmfgoYDbS...@giganews.com, "Kari Laine"
third party modem I had added). I remove that... the inside of the case was
covered in soot from a small fire in the case.
The machine worked fine after that. The modem, of course, did not.
--
"I find prostitution repulsive, therefore I think it should be illegal." -cc
DFS
May 10, 2012, 3:20:15 PM5/10/12
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still nobody uses it.
GreyCloud
May 10, 2012, 5:12:05 PM5/10/12
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At least I can get a true full screen display with Fusion.
GreyCloud
May 10, 2012, 5:14:11 PM5/10/12
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And what you say isn't necessarily true about electronics.
> In other words if smoke was coming out from that Mac it won't survive that
>
that smoked. It still works.
GreyCloud
May 10, 2012, 5:15:06 PM5/10/12
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doesn't mean that the damage is complete.
GreyCloud
May 10, 2012, 5:17:52 PM5/10/12
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price is steep. Xcode is free. VS2010 Pro is not free. Add the price
of VS2010 Pro with an equivalent i5 PC with a separate graphics card and
you easily exceed the price of the Apple.
7
May 10, 2012, 6:08:54 PM5/10/12
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Hadron wrote:
> What "hate"? I dont hate you. I pity you. Fool.
Not a good way to talk to the man in the mirror Hardon QUACKKkkhhhh....!
> What "hate"? I dont hate you. I pity you. Fool.
Snit
May 10, 2012, 7:23:55 PM5/10/12
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On 5/10/12 2:12 PM, in article N_ednfGmyuO2sjHS...@bresnan.com,
compare it with Parallels... but so far I am pretty happy with Parallels.
The two companies do keep pushing each other to improve their products.
--
"It's legal. What more advocating need be done?" -cc
"GreyCloud" <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
>>> Use VirtualBox. Works very well
>>> Alternativly, install them as Dual/Triple Boot.
>>> You need Grub2 for linux, though, to make that a simple process,
>>> because the
>>> Mac uses UEFI and not a standard BIOS
>>
>> Peter , Thanks !
>>
>> Didn't realize VirtualBox works in OS X.
>>
>> Kari
>>
>
> But not very well. I use Fusion on my old iMac.
> At least I can get a true full screen display with Fusion.
If I get time again, and happen to get a modern version of Fusion, I might
>>> Use VirtualBox. Works very well
>>> Alternativly, install them as Dual/Triple Boot.
>>> You need Grub2 for linux, though, to make that a simple process,
>>> because the
>>> Mac uses UEFI and not a standard BIOS
>>
>> Peter , Thanks !
>>
>> Didn't realize VirtualBox works in OS X.
>>
>> Kari
>>
>
> But not very well. I use Fusion on my old iMac.
> At least I can get a true full screen display with Fusion.
compare it with Parallels... but so far I am pretty happy with Parallels.
The two companies do keep pushing each other to improve their products.
--
"It's legal. What more advocating need be done?" -cc
Chris Ahlstrom
May 10, 2012, 8:20:37 PM5/10/12
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After swilling some grog, Hadron belched this bit o' wisdom:
Okay, "B.A." Baracus, okay. Just remember I'm Hannibal Smith,
and you have to knuckle under to me, because I am smarter than you. :-D
You do hate, though. Quite obvious in your lahar of nasty posts.
You're cracked in the head.
Thought sometimes you are more like "Murdock".
--
The sight of death frightens them [Earthers].
-- Kras the Klingon, "Friday's Child", stardate 3497.2
and you have to knuckle under to me, because I am smarter than you. :-D
You do hate, though. Quite obvious in your lahar of nasty posts.
You're cracked in the head.
Thought sometimes you are more like "Murdock".
--
The sight of death frightens them [Earthers].
-- Kras the Klingon, "Friday's Child", stardate 3497.2
Foster
May 10, 2012, 8:27:18 PM5/10/12
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On Thu, 10 May 2012 20:20:37 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> After swilling some grog, Hadron belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@xzoozy.com> writes:
>>
>>> After swilling some grog, 7 belched this bit o' wisdom:
>>>
>>>> Hadron wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm a clueless fuckwit.
>>>
>>> Corrected.
>>>
>>>> Thats no way to talk to the man in the mirror Hardon.
>>>
>>> "Hadron" *hates* himself. He'd do away with himself if he couldn't
>>> redirect his hate to us.
>>
>> What "hate"? I dont hate you. I pity you. Fool.
>
> Okay, "B.A." Baracus, okay. Just remember I'm Hannibal Smith,
> and you have to knuckle under to me, because I am smarter than you. :-D
At least he's not a pussy like you are Chris Ahlstrom.
> After swilling some grog, Hadron belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@xzoozy.com> writes:
>>
>>> After swilling some grog, 7 belched this bit o' wisdom:
>>>
>>>> Hadron wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm a clueless fuckwit.
>>>
>>> Corrected.
>>>
>>>> Thats no way to talk to the man in the mirror Hardon.
>>>
>>> "Hadron" *hates* himself. He'd do away with himself if he couldn't
>>> redirect his hate to us.
>>
>> What "hate"? I dont hate you. I pity you. Fool.
>
> Okay, "B.A." Baracus, okay. Just remember I'm Hannibal Smith,
> and you have to knuckle under to me, because I am smarter than you. :-D
> You do hate, though. Quite obvious in your lahar of nasty posts.
> You're cracked in the head.
He laughs.
Just like I do.
> Thought sometimes you are more like "Murdock".
Look it up.
Chris Ahlstrom
May 10, 2012, 8:27:52 PM5/10/12
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After swilling some grog, Hadron belched this bit o' wisdom:
He does hate, though. Quite obvious in his lahar of nasty posts.
Cracked in the head.
Though sometimes he acts more like "Murdock".
<Cue the theme song from the "A-Team".>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyz_2DEah4o
Okay, "B.A." Baracus, okay. Just remember I'm Hannibal Smith, and
"Hadron" has to knuckle under to me, because I am smarter than him. :-D
He does hate, though. Quite obvious in his lahar of nasty posts.
Cracked in the head.
Though sometimes he acts more like "Murdock".
<Cue the theme song from the "A-Team".>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyz_2DEah4o
Foster
May 10, 2012, 8:29:36 PM5/10/12
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On Thu, 10 May 2012 20:27:52 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> After swilling some grog, Hadron belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@xzoozy.com> writes:
>>
>>> After swilling some grog, 7 belched this bit o' wisdom:
>>>
>>>> Hadron wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm a clueless fuckwit.
>>>
>>> Corrected.
>>>
>>>> Thats no way to talk to the man in the mirror Hardon.
>>>
>>> "Hadron" *hates* himself. He'd do away with himself if he couldn't
>>> redirect his hate to us.
>>
>> What "hate"? I dont hate you. I pity you. Fool.
>
> Okay, "B.A." Baracus, okay. Just remember I'm Hannibal Smith, and
> "Hadron" has to knuckle under to me, because I am smarter than him. :-D
>
Hannibal Smith?
> After swilling some grog, Hadron belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@xzoozy.com> writes:
>>
>>> After swilling some grog, 7 belched this bit o' wisdom:
>>>
>>>> Hadron wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm a clueless fuckwit.
>>>
>>> Corrected.
>>>
>>>> Thats no way to talk to the man in the mirror Hardon.
>>>
>>> "Hadron" *hates* himself. He'd do away with himself if he couldn't
>>> redirect his hate to us.
>>
>> What "hate"? I dont hate you. I pity you. Fool.
>
> Okay, "B.A." Baracus, okay. Just remember I'm Hannibal Smith, and
> "Hadron" has to knuckle under to me, because I am smarter than him. :-D
>
You're kidding, right?
You are more like Barney Fife.
A complete asshole.
Chris Ahlstrom
May 10, 2012, 8:57:12 PM5/10/12
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After swilling some grog, Hadron belched this bit o' wisdom:
Okay, "B.A." Baracus, okay. Just remember I'm Hannibal Smith, and
"Hadron" has to knuckle under to me, because I am smarter than him. :-D
"Hadron" has to knuckle under to me, because I am smarter than him. :-D
GreyCloud
May 10, 2012, 10:48:27 PM5/10/12
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I know Virtual Box doesn't. When I start VB I still see the windows
taskbar at the bottom and the windows 7 decorations at the top.
Snit
May 11, 2012, 12:02:29 AM5/11/12
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On 5/10/12 7:48 PM, in article OeidnU4QUpGf4zHS...@bresnan.com,
choice of using Apple's full screen tools or the Parallels full screen
system, which allows you more flexibility (such as allowing full screen on
one screen while allowing you to use the other... I still do not get what
Apple is thinking to have their full screen setting pretty much make a
second screen useless... and not even give you the option to use the second
screen as the full screen device... but I digress). You also can use
"coherency" mode where applications "float" in layers much like if they were
native OS X windows (Fusion has a similar feature). There is also, of
course, a windowed mode - which is how I usually use it. And in that mode
if you change the size of the window the guest OS will automatically set
itself to fit that size (works with Windows and Linux - though sometimes the
drivers on Linux get more behind than I would like). Oh, and if you do use
full screen you can use one or more screens in that mode.
Fusion has much the same from what I recall.
> I know Virtual Box doesn't. When I start VB I still see the windows
> taskbar at the bottom and the windows 7 decorations at the top.
Just a real quick look at the views on Parallels... and I did not cover it
all. You will see it lag at times, but if you look at the top of my screen
you will see a dark circle - that is my RAM indicator: you will see it is
pegged out - my 8 GB were maxed. I has just been using Dreamweaver CS6,
Photoshop CS6, Pages, and a number of other programs (including the resource
hogging Entourage I use for Usenet). I generally do not see even the level
of lag you will see in the video.
<http://youtu.be/r_vU7bbK6bs>
"GreyCloud" <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
> On 5/10/2012 5:23 PM, Snit wrote:
>> On 5/10/12 2:12 PM, in article N_ednfGmyuO2sjHS...@bresnan.com,
>> "GreyCloud"<mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Use VirtualBox. Works very well
>>>>> Alternativly, install them as Dual/Triple Boot.
>>>>> You need Grub2 for linux, though, to make that a simple process,
>>>>> because the
>>>>> Mac uses UEFI and not a standard BIOS
>>>>
>>>> Peter , Thanks !
>>>>
>>>> Didn't realize VirtualBox works in OS X.
>>>>
>>>> Kari
>>>>
>>>
>>> But not very well. I use Fusion on my old iMac.
>>> At least I can get a true full screen display with Fusion.
>>
>> If I get time again, and happen to get a modern version of Fusion, I might
>> compare it with Parallels... but so far I am pretty happy with Parallels.
>> The two companies do keep pushing each other to improve their products.
>>
>
> Doesn't Parallels utilize 100% of the screen?
No, not at all... unless you want it to, and even then you are given the
> On 5/10/2012 5:23 PM, Snit wrote:
>> On 5/10/12 2:12 PM, in article N_ednfGmyuO2sjHS...@bresnan.com,
>> "GreyCloud"<mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Use VirtualBox. Works very well
>>>>> Alternativly, install them as Dual/Triple Boot.
>>>>> You need Grub2 for linux, though, to make that a simple process,
>>>>> because the
>>>>> Mac uses UEFI and not a standard BIOS
>>>>
>>>> Peter , Thanks !
>>>>
>>>> Didn't realize VirtualBox works in OS X.
>>>>
>>>> Kari
>>>>
>>>
>>> But not very well. I use Fusion on my old iMac.
>>> At least I can get a true full screen display with Fusion.
>>
>> If I get time again, and happen to get a modern version of Fusion, I might
>> compare it with Parallels... but so far I am pretty happy with Parallels.
>> The two companies do keep pushing each other to improve their products.
>>
>
> Doesn't Parallels utilize 100% of the screen?
choice of using Apple's full screen tools or the Parallels full screen
system, which allows you more flexibility (such as allowing full screen on
one screen while allowing you to use the other... I still do not get what
Apple is thinking to have their full screen setting pretty much make a
second screen useless... and not even give you the option to use the second
screen as the full screen device... but I digress). You also can use
"coherency" mode where applications "float" in layers much like if they were
native OS X windows (Fusion has a similar feature). There is also, of
course, a windowed mode - which is how I usually use it. And in that mode
if you change the size of the window the guest OS will automatically set
itself to fit that size (works with Windows and Linux - though sometimes the
drivers on Linux get more behind than I would like). Oh, and if you do use
full screen you can use one or more screens in that mode.
Fusion has much the same from what I recall.
> I know Virtual Box doesn't. When I start VB I still see the windows
> taskbar at the bottom and the windows 7 decorations at the top.
all. You will see it lag at times, but if you look at the top of my screen
you will see a dark circle - that is my RAM indicator: you will see it is
pegged out - my 8 GB were maxed. I has just been using Dreamweaver CS6,
Photoshop CS6, Pages, and a number of other programs (including the resource
hogging Entourage I use for Usenet). I generally do not see even the level
of lag you will see in the video.
<http://youtu.be/r_vU7bbK6bs>
Peter Köhlmann
May 11, 2012, 2:06:48 AM5/11/12
to
GreyCloud wrote:
> On 5/10/2012 11:12 AM, Kari Laine wrote:
>> On 05/09/2012 11:55 AM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>> Kari Laine wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Snit,
>>>>
>>>> I have to get a Mac. What I need to run Linux and Windows virtual
>>>> machines on top of OS X? Any free programs available ?
>>>>
>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>> Kari
>>>
>>> Use VirtualBox. Works very well
>>> Alternativly, install them as Dual/Triple Boot.
>>> You need Grub2 for linux, though, to make that a simple process,
>>> because the
>>> Mac uses UEFI and not a standard BIOS
>>
>> Peter , Thanks !
>>
>> Didn't realize VirtualBox works in OS X.
>>
>> Kari
>>
>
> But not very well.
It works fine
> On 5/10/2012 11:12 AM, Kari Laine wrote:
>> On 05/09/2012 11:55 AM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>> Kari Laine wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Snit,
>>>>
>>>> I have to get a Mac. What I need to run Linux and Windows virtual
>>>> machines on top of OS X? Any free programs available ?
>>>>
>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>> Kari
>>>
>>> Use VirtualBox. Works very well
>>> Alternativly, install them as Dual/Triple Boot.
>>> You need Grub2 for linux, though, to make that a simple process,
>>> because the
>>> Mac uses UEFI and not a standard BIOS
>>
>> Peter , Thanks !
>>
>> Didn't realize VirtualBox works in OS X.
>>
>> Kari
>>
>
> But not very well.
It seems you are even more incompetent than previously thought, becaause you
also have problems with VirtualBox on other platforms. Problems no one else
has or can reproduce.
In short. You are a senile fool, dumb and utterly incompetent
> I use Fusion on my old iMac.
> At least I can get a true full screen display with Fusion.
GreyCloud
May 11, 2012, 2:53:17 PM5/11/12
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On 5/11/2012 12:06 AM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> GreyCloud wrote:
>
>> On 5/10/2012 11:12 AM, Kari Laine wrote:
>>> On 05/09/2012 11:55 AM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>> Kari Laine wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Snit,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have to get a Mac. What I need to run Linux and Windows virtual
>>>>> machines on top of OS X? Any free programs available ?
>>>>>
>>>>> :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Kari
>>>>
>>>> Use VirtualBox. Works very well
>>>> Alternativly, install them as Dual/Triple Boot.
>>>> You need Grub2 for linux, though, to make that a simple process,
>>>> because the
>>>> Mac uses UEFI and not a standard BIOS
>>>
>>> Peter , Thanks !
>>>
>>> Didn't realize VirtualBox works in OS X.
>>>
>>> Kari
>>>
>>
>> But not very well.
>
> It works fine
> It seems you are even more incompetent than previously thought, becaause you
> also have problems with VirtualBox on other platforms. Problems no one else
> has or can reproduce.
Pure bunk. VB will never utilize 100% of the screen.
> GreyCloud wrote:
>
>> On 5/10/2012 11:12 AM, Kari Laine wrote:
>>> On 05/09/2012 11:55 AM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>> Kari Laine wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Snit,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have to get a Mac. What I need to run Linux and Windows virtual
>>>>> machines on top of OS X? Any free programs available ?
>>>>>
>>>>> :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Kari
>>>>
>>>> Use VirtualBox. Works very well
>>>> Alternativly, install them as Dual/Triple Boot.
>>>> You need Grub2 for linux, though, to make that a simple process,
>>>> because the
>>>> Mac uses UEFI and not a standard BIOS
>>>
>>> Peter , Thanks !
>>>
>>> Didn't realize VirtualBox works in OS X.
>>>
>>> Kari
>>>
>>
>> But not very well.
>
> It works fine
> It seems you are even more incompetent than previously thought, becaause you
> also have problems with VirtualBox on other platforms. Problems no one else
> has or can reproduce.
And the problems are reproducible.
>
> In short. You are a senile fool, dumb and utterly incompetent
>
>> I use Fusion on my old iMac.
>> At least I can get a true full screen display with Fusion.
>
> Idiot
>
usenet before, and no one, not any one, can know everything there is to
know about various programs or computer programming.
Snit
May 11, 2012, 3:17:42 PM5/11/12
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On 5/11/12 11:53 AM, in article
1Jidna-RSPO5_TDS...@bresnan.com, "GreyCloud" <mi...@cumulus.com>
wrote:
...
best: <http://goo.gl/lNRVy>
>> In short. You are a senile fool, dumb and utterly incompetent
>>
>
> Guffaw!!! You are getting older and slower in your old age.
>
>>> I use Fusion on my old iMac.
>>> At least I can get a true full screen display with Fusion.
>>
>> Idiot
>>
> You are nothing more than a know it all moron. I've seen your kind on
> usenet before, and no one, not any one, can know everything there is to
> know about various programs or computer programming.
Peter is just lost... and the more this is shown the nastier he gets. He is
directly opposed to learning.
--
🙈🙉🙊
1Jidna-RSPO5_TDS...@bresnan.com, "GreyCloud" <mi...@cumulus.com>
wrote:
...
>>> But not very well.
>>
>> It works fine
>> It seems you are even more incompetent than previously thought, becaause you
>> also have problems with VirtualBox on other platforms. Problems no one else
>> has or can reproduce.
>
> Pure bunk. VB will never utilize 100% of the screen.
> And the problems are reproducible.
No experience with it, but looking at their website it seems problematic at
>>
>> It works fine
>> It seems you are even more incompetent than previously thought, becaause you
>> also have problems with VirtualBox on other platforms. Problems no one else
>> has or can reproduce.
>
> Pure bunk. VB will never utilize 100% of the screen.
> And the problems are reproducible.
best: <http://goo.gl/lNRVy>
>> In short. You are a senile fool, dumb and utterly incompetent
>>
>
> Guffaw!!! You are getting older and slower in your old age.
>
>>> I use Fusion on my old iMac.
>>> At least I can get a true full screen display with Fusion.
>>
>> Idiot
>>
> You are nothing more than a know it all moron. I've seen your kind on
> usenet before, and no one, not any one, can know everything there is to
> know about various programs or computer programming.
directly opposed to learning.
--
🙈🙉🙊
GreyCloud
May 11, 2012, 6:23:52 PM5/11/12
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It is impossible to know everything,... unless he is methusela.
Snit
May 11, 2012, 6:51:34 PM5/11/12
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On 5/11/12 3:23 PM, in article xNSdnffZJs_iDDDS...@bresnan.com,
And the worst part about it is that he does not merely not "know it all"
(none of us do, as you note), but that he says things which show just how
lost he is. A sampling of just some of his comments where he has been just
absurdly wrong - and, as far as I know, not only has he never admitted to a
single one of these errors, none of the rest of the herd has, either:
---------------------------------------------------------------
Peter Köhlmann
-----
> When you launch it, the splash screen says 'gimp'
Nope.
------
<http://www.gimp.org/about/splash/stable.html>
---------------------------------------------------------------
Peter Köhlmann:
-----
The apps with "Quit" do *not* exit, they continue to run
in the background
-----
Had he known how to use "top" he would know he was wrong:
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/top.mov>>
---------------------------------------------------------------
Peter Köhlmann, in reference to <http://goo.gl/IjlkV>:
-----
You both show just *again* your incredible cluelessness. That is
*standard* X behaviour, you cretins. That Snot Michael Glasser
knows *nothing* about that is normal, he is the worst "IT teacher"
of all time. He knows nothing usefull about computing.
-----
---------------------------------------------------------------
Peter Köhlmann (after saying I am wrong to speak of the problems
of inconsistency on desktop Linux):
-----
Why would a user install apps from different DEs if he does
not need to?
-----
---------------------------------------------------------------
In reference to: <http://goo.gl/gBV6G> / <http://goo.gl/nysWd>
Peter Köhlmann:
-----
> What's to understand? I can't read, write, copy or
> delete a root-owned folder... but I can rename it.
Actually, no, you can't
And stop lying. I have tested it.
-----
You have to tamper with the permissions to have it different. And
for that reason DFS claims are simply bullshit.
-----
I can't duplicate the "problem" on any machine here.
-----
Since "Lost+found" is not created with the sticky bit at all, it
should not exhibit the behaviour DFS claims. And I can do whatever
I want with it on my systems (on all of them), it certainly does
not behave in any way near that way claimed
-----
Snot forges his evidence as needed
-----
---------------------------------------------------------------
Peter Köhlmann, speaking of HTML5:
-----
And browsers on desktop computers have little, if any, need to
adhere to such a "standard" which has no real reason to exist
except to support the idiotic iDevices
-----
---------------------------------------------------------------
Peter Köhlmann:
I don't care what that guy has to say. Anyone chosing Gnome
as DE is already disqualified. Gnome is hideous, technically
(for programmers) and optically
Linus Torvalds:
I thought KDE 4.0 was such a disaster, I switched to GNOME.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Snit:
-----
Doing a quick search on the web I find this:
<http://www.cann.ca/apa-template.doc>
-----
Peter Köhlmann:
------
Naturally you fail to provide the URL, as usual
-----
---------------------------------------------------------------
Snit:
-----
Excellent screencasting software, similar to ScreenFlow. And
example of something I find key to its use:
<http://youtu.be/To4v70huwAU>. What OSS tool on desktop Linux
has anything even close?
-----
Peter Köhlmann:
-----
There are several more. Look up "Istanbul" for example or
"Byzanz", or "Cankiri" The list can grow quite a bit, but
these are the most used ones
-----
None of the three programs Peter pointed to do the task shown in the
video... and Peter was never able to find *any* way to do such a task on
desktop Linux. He never admitted to this, of course.
---------------------------------------------------------------
--
🙈🙉🙊
(none of us do, as you note), but that he says things which show just how
lost he is. A sampling of just some of his comments where he has been just
absurdly wrong - and, as far as I know, not only has he never admitted to a
single one of these errors, none of the rest of the herd has, either:
---------------------------------------------------------------
Peter Köhlmann
-----
> When you launch it, the splash screen says 'gimp'
Nope.
------
<http://www.gimp.org/about/splash/stable.html>
---------------------------------------------------------------
Peter Köhlmann:
-----
The apps with "Quit" do *not* exit, they continue to run
in the background
-----
Had he known how to use "top" he would know he was wrong:
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/top.mov>>
---------------------------------------------------------------
Peter Köhlmann, in reference to <http://goo.gl/IjlkV>:
-----
You both show just *again* your incredible cluelessness. That is
*standard* X behaviour, you cretins. That Snot Michael Glasser
knows *nothing* about that is normal, he is the worst "IT teacher"
of all time. He knows nothing usefull about computing.
-----
---------------------------------------------------------------
Peter Köhlmann (after saying I am wrong to speak of the problems
of inconsistency on desktop Linux):
-----
Why would a user install apps from different DEs if he does
not need to?
-----
---------------------------------------------------------------
In reference to: <http://goo.gl/gBV6G> / <http://goo.gl/nysWd>
Peter Köhlmann:
-----
> What's to understand? I can't read, write, copy or
> delete a root-owned folder... but I can rename it.
Actually, no, you can't
And stop lying. I have tested it.
-----
You have to tamper with the permissions to have it different. And
for that reason DFS claims are simply bullshit.
-----
I can't duplicate the "problem" on any machine here.
-----
Since "Lost+found" is not created with the sticky bit at all, it
should not exhibit the behaviour DFS claims. And I can do whatever
I want with it on my systems (on all of them), it certainly does
not behave in any way near that way claimed
-----
Snot forges his evidence as needed
-----
---------------------------------------------------------------
Peter Köhlmann, speaking of HTML5:
-----
And browsers on desktop computers have little, if any, need to
adhere to such a "standard" which has no real reason to exist
except to support the idiotic iDevices
-----
---------------------------------------------------------------
Peter Köhlmann:
I don't care what that guy has to say. Anyone chosing Gnome
as DE is already disqualified. Gnome is hideous, technically
(for programmers) and optically
Linus Torvalds:
I thought KDE 4.0 was such a disaster, I switched to GNOME.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Snit:
-----
Doing a quick search on the web I find this:
<http://www.cann.ca/apa-template.doc>
-----
Peter Köhlmann:
------
Naturally you fail to provide the URL, as usual
-----
---------------------------------------------------------------
Snit:
-----
Excellent screencasting software, similar to ScreenFlow. And
example of something I find key to its use:
<http://youtu.be/To4v70huwAU>. What OSS tool on desktop Linux
has anything even close?
-----
Peter Köhlmann:
-----
There are several more. Look up "Istanbul" for example or
"Byzanz", or "Cankiri" The list can grow quite a bit, but
these are the most used ones
-----
None of the three programs Peter pointed to do the task shown in the
video... and Peter was never able to find *any* way to do such a task on
desktop Linux. He never admitted to this, of course.
---------------------------------------------------------------
--
🙈🙉🙊
Peter Köhlmann
May 11, 2012, 7:18:28 PM5/11/12
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> And the problems are reproducible.
Chris Ahlstrom
May 11, 2012, 7:51:08 PM5/11/12
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After swilling some grog, Peter Köhlmann belched this bit o' wisdom:
> GreyCloud wrote:
>
>> Pure bunk. VB will never utilize 100% of the screen.
>
> Idiot. It does. Since years
>
>> And the problems are reproducible.
>
> Yes, your problems are reproduceable. You are senile and stupid
In other words, he's just like the rest of the trolls.
Why does he try to push this bullshit about VirtualBox?
--
Numeric stability is probably not all that important when you're guessing.
> GreyCloud wrote:
>
>> Pure bunk. VB will never utilize 100% of the screen.
>
> Idiot. It does. Since years
>
>> And the problems are reproducible.
>
> Yes, your problems are reproduceable. You are senile and stupid
Why does he try to push this bullshit about VirtualBox?
--
Numeric stability is probably not all that important when you're guessing.
Snit
May 11, 2012, 7:59:07 PM5/11/12
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On 5/11/12 4:18 PM, in article jok6og$aot$1...@dont-email.me, "Peter Köhlmann"
don't you do the same, Peter.
Oh. You likely have no idea how.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Snit:
-----
Excellent screencasting software, similar to ScreenFlow. And
example of something I find key to its use:
<http://youtu.be/To4v70huwAU>. What OSS tool on desktop Linux
has anything even close?
-----
Peter Köhlmann:
-----
There are several more. Look up "Istanbul" for example or
"Byzanz", or "Cankiri" The list can grow quite a bit, but
these are the most used ones
-----
None of the three programs Peter pointed to do the task shown in the
video... and Peter was never able to find *any* way to do such a task on
desktop Linux. He never admitted to this, of course.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, you are pretty much clueless. So stop pointing fingers at others.
--
🙈🙉🙊
<peter-k...@t-online.de> wrote:
>>> It works fine
>>> It seems you are even more incompetent than previously thought, becaause
>>> you also have problems with VirtualBox on other platforms. Problems no
>>> one else has or can reproduce.
>>
>> Pure bunk. VB will never utilize 100% of the screen.
>
> Idiot. It does. Since years
>
>> And the problems are reproducible.
>
> Yes, your problems are reproduceable. You are senile and stupid
When I show someone is wrong I produce a video or, at least, an image. Why
>>> It works fine
>>> It seems you are even more incompetent than previously thought, becaause
>>> you also have problems with VirtualBox on other platforms. Problems no
>>> one else has or can reproduce.
>>
>> Pure bunk. VB will never utilize 100% of the screen.
>
> Idiot. It does. Since years
>
>> And the problems are reproducible.
>
> Yes, your problems are reproduceable. You are senile and stupid
don't you do the same, Peter.
Oh. You likely have no idea how.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Snit:
-----
Excellent screencasting software, similar to ScreenFlow. And
example of something I find key to its use:
<http://youtu.be/To4v70huwAU>. What OSS tool on desktop Linux
has anything even close?
-----
Peter Köhlmann:
-----
There are several more. Look up "Istanbul" for example or
"Byzanz", or "Cankiri" The list can grow quite a bit, but
these are the most used ones
-----
None of the three programs Peter pointed to do the task shown in the
video... and Peter was never able to find *any* way to do such a task on
desktop Linux. He never admitted to this, of course.
---------------------------------------------------------------
--
🙈🙉🙊
GreyCloud
May 12, 2012, 3:33:14 PM5/12/12
to
It doens't utilize 100% of the monitors real estate.
>> And the problems are reproducible.
>
> Yes, your problems are reproduceable. You are senile and stupid
>
You are making yourself look more dumb by the day.
GreyCloud
May 12, 2012, 3:34:17 PM5/12/12
to
On 5/11/2012 5:51 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> After swilling some grog, Peter Köhlmann belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>
>>> Pure bunk. VB will never utilize 100% of the screen.
>>
>> Idiot. It does. Since years
>>
>>> And the problems are reproducible.
>>
>> Yes, your problems are reproduceable. You are senile and stupid
>
> In other words, he's just like the rest of the trolls.
>
> Why does he try to push this bullshit about VirtualBox?
>
Because it isn't, numbnuts.
> After swilling some grog, Peter Köhlmann belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>
>>> Pure bunk. VB will never utilize 100% of the screen.
>>
>> Idiot. It does. Since years
>>
>>> And the problems are reproducible.
>>
>> Yes, your problems are reproduceable. You are senile and stupid
>
> In other words, he's just like the rest of the trolls.
>
> Why does he try to push this bullshit about VirtualBox?
>
How come you respond 3rd party?
Are you a coward perchance?
And look who is trolling now... creepy.
Snit
May 12, 2012, 3:47:15 PM5/12/12
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On 5/12/12 12:33 PM, in article
_uidnReQJuaeJjPS...@bresnan.com, "GreyCloud" <mi...@cumulus.com>
wrote:
I would love to see screenshots from either of you to back this... I have
not used it in long enough and do not recall (and do not know if I even used
it in anything other than a windowed mode).
I will say doing a quick search on their site showed *lots* of complaints.
>>> And the problems are reproducible.
>>
>> Yes, your problems are reproduceable. You are senile and stupid
>
> Yeah, like your dumb claims that audio, etc. just work.
>
> You are making yourself look more dumb by the day.
Peter is amazingly ignorant. If he happens to be right in this case it
would be a very, very rare thing in deed.
--
🙈🙉🙊
_uidnReQJuaeJjPS...@bresnan.com, "GreyCloud" <mi...@cumulus.com>
wrote:
not used it in long enough and do not recall (and do not know if I even used
it in anything other than a windowed mode).
I will say doing a quick search on their site showed *lots* of complaints.
>>> And the problems are reproducible.
>>
>> Yes, your problems are reproduceable. You are senile and stupid
>
> Yeah, like your dumb claims that audio, etc. just work.
>
> You are making yourself look more dumb by the day.
would be a very, very rare thing in deed.
--
🙈🙉🙊
GreyCloud
May 12, 2012, 6:17:52 PM5/12/12
to
Box is running, which means it doesn't use 100% of the screen for Linux.
> I will say doing a quick search on their site showed *lots* of complaints.
>
that I have some reservations about Virtual Box now.
>>>> And the problems are reproducible.
>>>
>>> Yes, your problems are reproduceable. You are senile and stupid
>>
>> Yeah, like your dumb claims that audio, etc. just work.
>>
>> You are making yourself look more dumb by the day.
>
> Peter is amazingly ignorant. If he happens to be right in this case it
> would be a very, very rare thing in deed.
>
he'd see what I mean.
Peter Köhlmann
May 12, 2012, 7:11:19 PM5/12/12
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Peter Köhlmann
May 12, 2012, 7:16:25 PM5/12/12
to
fool. Learn to read, you senile oxygen-thief
Who cares about VirtualBox on windows? I use VirtualBox to run windows as a
guest. I am certainly not stupid enough to use Windows as a host for it
And then, VirtualBox on OSX *and* on Linux can run *totally* fullscreen, I
have no doubt that it can on windows too.
Snit
May 12, 2012, 7:42:36 PM5/12/12
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On 5/12/12 3:17 PM, in article 0LKdnRyLE-QFfDPS...@bresnan.com,
"GreyCloud" <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
...
that is rather daft.
>> I will say doing a quick search on their site showed *lots* of complaints.
>
> I wouldn't doubt it. There were so many updates since I downloaded it,
> that I have some reservations about Virtual Box now.
I played with it a bit - the video drivers were slow and there were other
problems. Parallels was a much better solution.
>>>>> And the problems are reproducible.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, your problems are reproduceable. You are senile and stupid
>>>
>>> Yeah, like your dumb claims that audio, etc. just work.
>>>
>>> You are making yourself look more dumb by the day.
>>
>> Peter is amazingly ignorant. If he happens to be right in this case it
>> would be a very, very rare thing in deed.
>
> He isn't right. Of course he should first try Virtual Box in Win7 and
> he'd see what I mean.
Would not surprise me at all if you were 100% right on this.
--
🙈🙉🙊
"GreyCloud" <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
...
>>>> Idiot. It does. Since years
>>>>
>>>
>>> What part of 100% do you not understand?
>>> It doens't utilize 100% of the monitors real estate.
>>
>> I would love to see screenshots from either of you to back this... I have
>> not used it in long enough and do not recall (and do not know if I even used
>> it in anything other than a windowed mode).
>
> On Win7 the task bar and the upper main window title show when Virtual
> Box is running, which means it doesn't use 100% of the screen for Linux.
And there is no way to turn this off and make it go true full screen? If so
>>>>
>>>
>>> What part of 100% do you not understand?
>>> It doens't utilize 100% of the monitors real estate.
>>
>> I would love to see screenshots from either of you to back this... I have
>> not used it in long enough and do not recall (and do not know if I even used
>> it in anything other than a windowed mode).
>
> On Win7 the task bar and the upper main window title show when Virtual
> Box is running, which means it doesn't use 100% of the screen for Linux.
that is rather daft.
>> I will say doing a quick search on their site showed *lots* of complaints.
>
> I wouldn't doubt it. There were so many updates since I downloaded it,
> that I have some reservations about Virtual Box now.
problems. Parallels was a much better solution.
>>>>> And the problems are reproducible.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, your problems are reproduceable. You are senile and stupid
>>>
>>> Yeah, like your dumb claims that audio, etc. just work.
>>>
>>> You are making yourself look more dumb by the day.
>>
>> Peter is amazingly ignorant. If he happens to be right in this case it
>> would be a very, very rare thing in deed.
>
> He isn't right. Of course he should first try Virtual Box in Win7 and
> he'd see what I mean.
--
🙈🙉🙊
Snit
May 12, 2012, 7:44:01 PM5/12/12
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On 5/12/12 4:11 PM, in article jomqn3$n6k$1...@dont-email.me, "Peter Köhlmann"
Right?
--
🙈🙉🙊
<peter-k...@t-online.de> wrote:
>>>> Pure bunk. VB will never utilize 100% of the screen.
>>>
>>> Idiot. It does. Since years
>>>
>>
>> What part of 100% do you not understand?
>> It doens't utilize 100% of the monitors real estate.
>
> It does. And you are a clueless Snit sucker
If it does then you can show the evidence.
>>>> Pure bunk. VB will never utilize 100% of the screen.
>>>
>>> Idiot. It does. Since years
>>>
>>
>> What part of 100% do you not understand?
>> It doens't utilize 100% of the monitors real estate.
>
> It does. And you are a clueless Snit sucker
Right?
--
🙈🙉🙊
Snit
May 12, 2012, 7:44:43 PM5/12/12
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On 5/12/12 4:16 PM, in article jomr0m$v90$1...@dont-email.me, "Peter Köhlmann"
right or not.
> And then, VirtualBox on OSX *and* on Linux can run *totally* fullscreen, I
> have no doubt that it can on windows too.
--
🙈🙉🙊
<peter-k...@t-online.de> wrote:
>>> Peter is amazingly ignorant. If he happens to be right in this case it
>>> would be a very, very rare thing in deed.
>>>
>>
>> He isn't right. Of course he should first try Virtual Box in Win7 and
>> he'd see what I mean.
>
> First of all: This thread was about VirtualBox on OSX, you incomepetent
> fool. Learn to read, you senile oxygen-thief
>
> Who cares about VirtualBox on windows? I use VirtualBox to run windows as a
> guest. I am certainly not stupid enough to use Windows as a host for it
In other words, after all your BS you now admit you have no idea if he is
>>> Peter is amazingly ignorant. If he happens to be right in this case it
>>> would be a very, very rare thing in deed.
>>>
>>
>> He isn't right. Of course he should first try Virtual Box in Win7 and
>> he'd see what I mean.
>
> First of all: This thread was about VirtualBox on OSX, you incomepetent
> fool. Learn to read, you senile oxygen-thief
>
> Who cares about VirtualBox on windows? I use VirtualBox to run windows as a
> guest. I am certainly not stupid enough to use Windows as a host for it
right or not.
> And then, VirtualBox on OSX *and* on Linux can run *totally* fullscreen, I
> have no doubt that it can on windows too.
🙈🙉🙊
GreyCloud
May 12, 2012, 9:11:07 PM5/12/12
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Or have you gotten too senile to remember?
>
> Who cares about VirtualBox on windows? I use VirtualBox to run windows as a
> guest. I am certainly not stupid enough to use Windows as a host for it
>
thread very well. Why would I want to use Virtual Box on Linux?
It would be a massive waste of time, considering the blatant bugs.
> And then, VirtualBox on OSX *and* on Linux can run *totally* fullscreen, I
> have no doubt that it can on windows too.
>
I purchased VMware for the Mac at the time and it works a whole lot
better than Virtual Box. You can't even get Solaris, a real UNIX, to
run correctly on Virtual Box.
GreyCloud
May 12, 2012, 9:11:59 PM5/12/12
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On 5/12/2012 5:11 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>> What part of 100% do you not understand?
>> It doens't utilize 100% of the monitors real estate.
>
> It does. And you are a clueless Snit sucker
>
Liar.
>> What part of 100% do you not understand?
>> It doens't utilize 100% of the monitors real estate.
>
> It does. And you are a clueless Snit sucker
>
Keep dreaming about how wonderful linux is, hobby boy.
Peter Köhlmann
May 13, 2012, 5:19:40 AM5/13/12
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ISPs. To run their virtual machines on it
YOu are getting more ridiculous by the second, GreyClod
>> And then, VirtualBox on OSX *and* on Linux can run *totally* fullscreen,
>> I have no doubt that it can on windows too.
>>
>
> Not the earlier versions they didn't.
And I use virtualbox since several years
> I purchased VMware for the Mac at the time and it works a whole lot
> better than Virtual Box.
things. VMware shines for ISPs, where the complete machine is virtualized
into many virtual ones. It uses a linux as underlying OS, btw. But that is
not the VMware a private perseon would use. Way too expensive. These are the
vSphere and/or vCenter versions of VMware
> You can't even get Solaris, a real UNIX, to
> run correctly on Virtual Box.
virtualbox are (in this order)
Microsoft Windows
Linux
Solaris
BSD
IBM OS/2
Mac OSX
Other
Notice the "Solaris", you braindead clod? How stupid are you, really?
You are so incredibly incompetent that you seem to be father of Hadron and
Snot Glasser.
VirtualBox includes these predefined setups to have a starting point which
has several settings optimized for the intended use, you cretinous Snit.
Why now would they include Solaris as one of the options when it does not
run under it, prey tell? They even manage to run OS/2 in virtualbox, which
is an OS where VMware just balks
Bob Hauck
May 13, 2012, 7:56:45 AM5/13/12
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Linux. So my daily work setup is a full-screen Debian running in
Virtualbox on a Windows 7 host. This works fine for everyone but
Greycloud.
--
Bob Hauck
Chris Ahlstrom
May 13, 2012, 8:46:43 AM5/13/12
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After swilling some grog, Peter Köhlmann belched this bit o' wisdom:
> GreyCloud wrote:
>
> GreyCloud wrote:
>
>> He isn't right. Of course he should first try Virtual Box in Win7 and
>> he'd see what I mean.
>
> First of all: This thread was about VirtualBox on OSX, you incomepetent
> fool. Learn to read, you senile oxygen-thief
>
> Who cares about VirtualBox on windows? I use VirtualBox to run windows as a
> guest. I am certainly not stupid enough to use Windows as a host for it
>
> And then, VirtualBox on OSX *and* on Linux can run *totally* fullscreen, I
> have no doubt that it can on windows too.
Indeed, it can, as I can attest by looking at the screen of my cubemate,
>> he'd see what I mean.
>
> First of all: This thread was about VirtualBox on OSX, you incomepetent
> fool. Learn to read, you senile oxygen-thief
>
> Who cares about VirtualBox on windows? I use VirtualBox to run windows as a
> guest. I am certainly not stupid enough to use Windows as a host for it
>
> And then, VirtualBox on OSX *and* on Linux can run *totally* fullscreen, I
> have no doubt that it can on windows too.
who runs Win 2003 Server and XP in VM's hosted on Win 7.
I'm not sure why the old goat isn't willing to listen to us.
My wife's XP machine is running full-screen in a VM hosted on Debian.
Another person was using this computer. After awhile, I noted aloud
that Windows was running on a virtual machine, and the person said "Huh?
I wondered what that little line (the hidden VirtualBox taskbar) was."
--
"I develop software for a living"
-- Larry "Message-ID" Qualig
Chris Ahlstrom
May 13, 2012, 8:49:54 AM5/13/12
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After swilling some grog, Peter Köhlmann belched this bit o' wisdom:
> GreyCloud wrote:
>
> GreyCloud wrote:
>
>> You should then. You seem to be pretty ignorant and can't follow the
>> thread very well. Why would I want to use Virtual Box on Linux?
>> It would be a massive waste of time, considering the blatant bugs.
>
> I see. That *must* be the reason why linux is used as Host-OS by nearly all
> ISPs. To run their virtual machines on it
>
> YOu are getting more ridiculous by the second, GreyClod
Indeed. We use VirtualBox heavily at work. Most host it on Windows 7.
>> thread very well. Why would I want to use Virtual Box on Linux?
>> It would be a massive waste of time, considering the blatant bugs.
>
> I see. That *must* be the reason why linux is used as Host-OS by nearly all
> ISPs. To run their virtual machines on it
>
> YOu are getting more ridiculous by the second, GreyClod
I hosted in Debian. It works great, and I think it is is *faster* and
more stable on Linux than on the Windows boxes that others use.
--
Experience, n.:
Something you don't get until just after you need it.
-- Olivier
Chris Ahlstrom
May 13, 2012, 8:52:09 AM5/13/12
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After swilling some grog, Bob Hauck belched this bit o' wisdom:
Yet another "could-fuck-up-a-steel-ball" troll claiming failure for
a Linux-related product.
Wottasurprise.
Here's another "could-fuck-up-a-steel-ball" troll:
--
Also notice he NOW mentions apt-get and not APT. *I* was ALWAYS
referring to apt-get v aptitude. And I *was right*. I dont know how many
more times I can categorically state that I provided the links
explaining why. 100% case close. Why does he not comment on Homer being
100% INCORRECT? "Telling lies" even?
TomB is a word weasel. You're wasting your time. Time and time again he
gets things wrong, partly as an understandable component of the learning
process, but will never admit I was correct.
apt-get v aptitude
compiling as root
configure v ./configure
leaving root terminals open
root ssh access
and the corker
where is said he count NOT get a Windowless PC or words to that
affect. Hell, you have even quoted him.
He has become such a whining cissy that I truly wonder if he might be an
Ahlstrom nym at this stage.
There are probably oodles more examples (almost certainly UI issues). I
bear him no ill will. I just wish he would stop running with out rabid
herd and denying when he was plain wrong.
-- "Hadron" <iev9uq$tpo$3...@news.eternal-september.org>
a Linux-related product.
Wottasurprise.
Here's another "could-fuck-up-a-steel-ball" troll:
--
Also notice he NOW mentions apt-get and not APT. *I* was ALWAYS
referring to apt-get v aptitude. And I *was right*. I dont know how many
more times I can categorically state that I provided the links
explaining why. 100% case close. Why does he not comment on Homer being
100% INCORRECT? "Telling lies" even?
TomB is a word weasel. You're wasting your time. Time and time again he
gets things wrong, partly as an understandable component of the learning
process, but will never admit I was correct.
apt-get v aptitude
compiling as root
configure v ./configure
leaving root terminals open
root ssh access
and the corker
where is said he count NOT get a Windowless PC or words to that
affect. Hell, you have even quoted him.
He has become such a whining cissy that I truly wonder if he might be an
Ahlstrom nym at this stage.
There are probably oodles more examples (almost certainly UI issues). I
bear him no ill will. I just wish he would stop running with out rabid
herd and denying when he was plain wrong.
-- "Hadron" <iev9uq$tpo$3...@news.eternal-september.org>
William Poaster
May 13, 2012, 9:43:39 AM5/13/12
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Here is a facsimile from Chris Ahlstrom who, on 13/5/2012 13:52, wrote:
> After swilling some grog, Bob Hauck belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> On Sun, 13 May 2012 01:16:25 +0200, Peter Köhlmann <peter-k...@t-online.de> wrote:
>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>> On 5/12/2012 1:47 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>
>>> First of all: This thread was about VirtualBox on OSX, you incomepetent
>>> fool. Learn to read, you senile oxygen-thief
>>>
>>> Who cares about VirtualBox on windows? I use VirtualBox to run windows as a
>>> guest. I am certainly not stupid enough to use Windows as a host for it
>>>
>>> And then, VirtualBox on OSX *and* on Linux can run *totally* fullscreen, I
>>> have no doubt that it can on windows too.
>>
>> It can. Company policy is Win7 even though we develop for embedded
>> Linux. So my daily work setup is a full-screen Debian running in
>> Virtualbox on a Windows 7 host. This works fine for everyone but
>> Greycloud.
>
> Yet another "could-fuck-up-a-steel-ball" troll claiming failure for
> a Linux-related product.
>
> Wottasurprise.
>
> Here's another "could-fuck-up-a-steel-ball" troll:
> After swilling some grog, Bob Hauck belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> On Sun, 13 May 2012 01:16:25 +0200, Peter Köhlmann <peter-k...@t-online.de> wrote:
>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>> On 5/12/2012 1:47 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>
>>> First of all: This thread was about VirtualBox on OSX, you incomepetent
>>> fool. Learn to read, you senile oxygen-thief
>>>
>>> Who cares about VirtualBox on windows? I use VirtualBox to run windows as a
>>> guest. I am certainly not stupid enough to use Windows as a host for it
>>>
>>> And then, VirtualBox on OSX *and* on Linux can run *totally* fullscreen, I
>>> have no doubt that it can on windows too.
>>
>> It can. Company policy is Win7 even though we develop for embedded
>> Linux. So my daily work setup is a full-screen Debian running in
>> Virtualbox on a Windows 7 host. This works fine for everyone but
>> Greycloud.
>
> Yet another "could-fuck-up-a-steel-ball" troll claiming failure for
> a Linux-related product.
>
> Wottasurprise.
>
> Here's another "could-fuck-up-a-steel-ball" troll:
"Also notice he NOW mentions apt-get and not APT. *I* was ALWAYS
referring to apt-get v aptitude. And I *was right*.
referring to apt-get v aptitude. And I *was right*.
TomB is a word weasel. You're wasting your time. Time and time again he
gets things wrong, partly as an understandable component of the learning
process, but will never admit I was correct.
apt-get v aptitude"
-- "Hadron" <iev9uq$tpo$3...@news.eternal-september.org>
gets things wrong, partly as an understandable component of the learning
process, but will never admit I was correct.
apt-get v aptitude"
<Q>
Do you consider it dangerous to use aptitude and the classic APT
tools (apt-get, apt-cache...) alongside each other on the same
system?
The reply from Daniel Burrows, who is the lead developer of the
aptitude program.
No. :-)
Well the trolling fuckwitted Hadron was wrong on *that* too.
Unless, of course, the imbecilic troll knows more than the developer
does! <snicker>
--
BorgWave 3.14: Your taglines have been assimilated
I think we blew it!
-- Robert E. Lee after Gettysburg.--
Chris Ahlstrom
May 13, 2012, 9:59:52 AM5/13/12
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After swilling some grog, William Poaster belched this bit o' wisdom:
> "Also notice he NOW mentions apt-get and not APT. *I* was ALWAYS
> referring to apt-get v aptitude. And I *was right*.
> TomB is a word weasel. You're wasting your time. Time and time again he
> gets things wrong, partly as an understandable component of the learning
> process, but will never admit I was correct.
> apt-get v aptitude"
> -- "Hadron" <iev9uq$tpo$3...@news.eternal-september.org>
>
> <Q>
> Do you consider it dangerous to use aptitude and the classic APT
> tools (apt-get, apt-cache...) alongside each other on the same
> system?
>
> The reply from Daniel Burrows, who is the lead developer of the
> aptitude program.
>
> No. :-)
>
> Well the trolling fuckwitted Hadron was wrong on *that* too.
> Unless, of course, the imbecilic troll knows more than the developer
> does! <snicker>
Well, I'm sure "Hadron" still thinks he knows more about apt than Daniel
Burrows.
Maybe I should start lying like "Hadron" does:
"Hadron" is on record as claiming he knows more about the apt
system than the lead developer of apt.
I sure am a meanie, ain't I? <chuckle>:
--
Just don't rub Liarnut (Ahlstrom) up the wrong way. When you get past
the "snicker" side of his character he's been know to froth and rage and
get very, very nasty. It's why Roy employs him as his attack dog. Only
Koehlmann (being German) is more dangerous as Roy's Rottweiler.
-- "Hadron" <h8r3tk$68k$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
> "Also notice he NOW mentions apt-get and not APT. *I* was ALWAYS
> referring to apt-get v aptitude. And I *was right*.
> TomB is a word weasel. You're wasting your time. Time and time again he
> gets things wrong, partly as an understandable component of the learning
> process, but will never admit I was correct.
> apt-get v aptitude"
> -- "Hadron" <iev9uq$tpo$3...@news.eternal-september.org>
>
> <Q>
> Do you consider it dangerous to use aptitude and the classic APT
> tools (apt-get, apt-cache...) alongside each other on the same
> system?
>
> The reply from Daniel Burrows, who is the lead developer of the
> aptitude program.
>
> No. :-)
>
> Well the trolling fuckwitted Hadron was wrong on *that* too.
> Unless, of course, the imbecilic troll knows more than the developer
> does! <snicker>
Burrows.
Maybe I should start lying like "Hadron" does:
"Hadron" is on record as claiming he knows more about the apt
system than the lead developer of apt.
I sure am a meanie, ain't I? <chuckle>:
--
Just don't rub Liarnut (Ahlstrom) up the wrong way. When you get past
the "snicker" side of his character he's been know to froth and rage and
get very, very nasty. It's why Roy employs him as his attack dog. Only
Koehlmann (being German) is more dangerous as Roy's Rottweiler.
-- "Hadron" <h8r3tk$68k$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
William Poaster
May 13, 2012, 10:35:51 AM5/13/12
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--
Linux: Your Brain - Windows: Your brain on drugs.
Foster
May 13, 2012, 11:12:58 AM5/13/12
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On Sun, 13 May 2012 08:52:09 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> After swilling some grog, Bob Hauck belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> On Sun, 13 May 2012 01:16:25 +0200, Peter Köhlmann <peter-k...@t-online.de> wrote:
>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>> On 5/12/2012 1:47 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>
>>> First of all: This thread was about VirtualBox on OSX, you incomepetent
>>> fool. Learn to read, you senile oxygen-thief
>>>
>>> Who cares about VirtualBox on windows? I use VirtualBox to run windows as a
>>> guest. I am certainly not stupid enough to use Windows as a host for it
>>>
>>> And then, VirtualBox on OSX *and* on Linux can run *totally* fullscreen, I
>>> have no doubt that it can on windows too.
>>
>> It can. Company policy is Win7 even though we develop for embedded
>> Linux. So my daily work setup is a full-screen Debian running in
>> Virtualbox on a Windows 7 host. This works fine for everyone but
>> Greycloud.
>
> Yet another "could-fuck-up-a-steel-ball" troll claiming failure for
> a Linux-related product.
Linux is already fscked up.
> After swilling some grog, Bob Hauck belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> On Sun, 13 May 2012 01:16:25 +0200, Peter Köhlmann <peter-k...@t-online.de> wrote:
>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>> On 5/12/2012 1:47 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>
>>> First of all: This thread was about VirtualBox on OSX, you incomepetent
>>> fool. Learn to read, you senile oxygen-thief
>>>
>>> Who cares about VirtualBox on windows? I use VirtualBox to run windows as a
>>> guest. I am certainly not stupid enough to use Windows as a host for it
>>>
>>> And then, VirtualBox on OSX *and* on Linux can run *totally* fullscreen, I
>>> have no doubt that it can on windows too.
>>
>> It can. Company policy is Win7 even though we develop for embedded
>> Linux. So my daily work setup is a full-screen Debian running in
>> Virtualbox on a Windows 7 host. This works fine for everyone but
>> Greycloud.
>
> Yet another "could-fuck-up-a-steel-ball" troll claiming failure for
> a Linux-related product.
It couldn't possibly get any worse than it already is.
Snit
May 13, 2012, 12:19:53 PM5/13/12
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On 5/13/12 2:19 AM, in article jonubp$ehi$1...@dont-email.me, "Peter Köhlmann"
-----
Clicking OK will restart the volume, even if no settings were
changed. Changing this setting does not require the volume to
be reinitialized; data is preserved.
-----
Peter Köhlmann:
-----
So You call having to reformat a drive in order to have that
feature "choice"? Really?
-----
Peter never admitted to his error on this. Thus, because a volume has to be
"restarted", Peter thinks (or presents himself as thinking) this means it
has to be reformatted, even though it is specifically stated that the volume
does not have to be reinitialized and that data is preserved.
---------------------------------------------------------------
--
🙈🙉🙊
<peter-k...@t-online.de> wrote:
> VirtualBox includes these predefined setups to have a starting point which
> has several settings optimized for the intended use, you cretinous Snit.
> VirtualBox includes these predefined setups to have a starting point which
> has several settings optimized for the intended use, you cretinous Snit.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Snit:
-----
Excellent screencasting software, similar to ScreenFlow. And
example of something I find key to its use:
<http://youtu.be/To4v70huwAU>. What OSS tool on desktop Linux
has anything even close?
-----
Peter Köhlmann:
-----
There are several more. Look up "Istanbul" for example or
"Byzanz", or "Cankiri" The list can grow quite a bit, but
these are the most used ones
-----
None of the three programs Peter pointed to do the task shown in the
video... and Peter was never able to find *any* way to do such a task on
desktop Linux. He never admitted to this, of course.
---------------------------------------------------------------
<http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4683>
Snit:
-----
Excellent screencasting software, similar to ScreenFlow. And
example of something I find key to its use:
<http://youtu.be/To4v70huwAU>. What OSS tool on desktop Linux
has anything even close?
-----
Peter Köhlmann:
-----
There are several more. Look up "Istanbul" for example or
"Byzanz", or "Cankiri" The list can grow quite a bit, but
these are the most used ones
-----
None of the three programs Peter pointed to do the task shown in the
video... and Peter was never able to find *any* way to do such a task on
desktop Linux. He never admitted to this, of course.
---------------------------------------------------------------
-----
Clicking OK will restart the volume, even if no settings were
changed. Changing this setting does not require the volume to
be reinitialized; data is preserved.
-----
Peter Köhlmann:
-----
So You call having to reformat a drive in order to have that
feature "choice"? Really?
-----
Peter never admitted to his error on this. Thus, because a volume has to be
"restarted", Peter thinks (or presents himself as thinking) this means it
has to be reformatted, even though it is specifically stated that the volume
does not have to be reinitialized and that data is preserved.
---------------------------------------------------------------
--
🙈🙉🙊
GreyCloud
May 13, 2012, 2:50:22 PM5/13/12
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On 5/13/2012 3:19 AM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
<snip>
>>>> He isn't right. Of course he should first try Virtual Box in Win7 and
>>>> he'd see what I mean.
>>>
>>> First of all: This thread was about VirtualBox on OSX, you incomepetent
>>> fool. Learn to read, you senile oxygen-thief
>>
>> Guffaw!!! I've also tried it on OS X... remember that I also own a mac.
>> Or have you gotten too senile to remember?
>>
>>>
>>> Who cares about VirtualBox on windows? I use VirtualBox to run windows as
>>> a guest. I am certainly not stupid enough to use Windows as a host for it
>>>
>>
>> You should then. You seem to be pretty ignorant and can't follow the
>> thread very well. Why would I want to use Virtual Box on Linux?
>> It would be a massive waste of time, considering the blatant bugs.
>
> I see. That *must* be the reason why linux is used as Host-OS by nearly all
> ISPs. To run their virtual machines on it
>
> YOu are getting more ridiculous by the second, GreyClod
>
You are completely clueless.
>>> And then, VirtualBox on OSX *and* on Linux can run *totally* fullscreen,
>>> I have no doubt that it can on windows too.
>>>
>>
>> Not the earlier versions they didn't.
>
> I can't remember *any* version which could not
> And I use virtualbox since several years
>
I can. It's not my fault that you are getting long term memory loss.
It's a steaming pile of junk.
>> I purchased VMware for the Mac at the time and it works a whole lot
>> better than Virtual Box.
>
> Actually, no, it does not. VirtualBox has bypassed VMware in nearly all
> things. VMware shines for ISPs, where the complete machine is virtualized
> into many virtual ones. It uses a linux as underlying OS, btw. But that is
> not the VMware a private perseon would use. Way too expensive. These are the
> vSphere and/or vCenter versions of VMware
VMware, if you'll check out their latest supports much more than you'd
like to admit. Like your own Cloud server...
>
>> You can't even get Solaris, a real UNIX, to
>> run correctly on Virtual Box.
>
> I see. That must be the reason why the predefined virtual machine setups in
> virtualbox are (in this order)
>
> Microsoft Windows
> Linux
> Solaris
> BSD
> IBM OS/2
> Mac OSX
> Other
>
So? Doesn't mean that it will do the job tho, let alone install Solaris
correctly.
> Notice the "Solaris", you braindead clod? How stupid are you, really?
> You are so incredibly incompetent that you seem to be father of Hadron and
> Snot Glasser.
>
You are trully stupid then. And I know you'd have shitfits if you did
try solaris. It's a real UNIX.
> VirtualBox includes these predefined setups to have a starting point which
> has several settings optimized for the intended use, you cretinous Snit.
>
> Why now would they include Solaris as one of the options when it does not
> run under it, prey tell? They even manage to run OS/2 in virtualbox, which
> is an OS where VMware just balks
VMWare is far superior to a freebie.
Looks like a inherited a dingle-berry by the name of KohlTard.
<snip>
>>>> He isn't right. Of course he should first try Virtual Box in Win7 and
>>>> he'd see what I mean.
>>>
>>> First of all: This thread was about VirtualBox on OSX, you incomepetent
>>> fool. Learn to read, you senile oxygen-thief
>>
>> Guffaw!!! I've also tried it on OS X... remember that I also own a mac.
>> Or have you gotten too senile to remember?
>>
>>>
>>> Who cares about VirtualBox on windows? I use VirtualBox to run windows as
>>> a guest. I am certainly not stupid enough to use Windows as a host for it
>>>
>>
>> You should then. You seem to be pretty ignorant and can't follow the
>> thread very well. Why would I want to use Virtual Box on Linux?
>> It would be a massive waste of time, considering the blatant bugs.
>
> I see. That *must* be the reason why linux is used as Host-OS by nearly all
> ISPs. To run their virtual machines on it
>
> YOu are getting more ridiculous by the second, GreyClod
>
>>> And then, VirtualBox on OSX *and* on Linux can run *totally* fullscreen,
>>> I have no doubt that it can on windows too.
>>>
>>
>> Not the earlier versions they didn't.
>
> I can't remember *any* version which could not
> And I use virtualbox since several years
>
It's a steaming pile of junk.
>> I purchased VMware for the Mac at the time and it works a whole lot
>> better than Virtual Box.
>
> Actually, no, it does not. VirtualBox has bypassed VMware in nearly all
> things. VMware shines for ISPs, where the complete machine is virtualized
> into many virtual ones. It uses a linux as underlying OS, btw. But that is
> not the VMware a private perseon would use. Way too expensive. These are the
> vSphere and/or vCenter versions of VMware
like to admit. Like your own Cloud server...
>
>> You can't even get Solaris, a real UNIX, to
>> run correctly on Virtual Box.
>
> I see. That must be the reason why the predefined virtual machine setups in
> virtualbox are (in this order)
>
> Microsoft Windows
> Linux
> Solaris
> BSD
> IBM OS/2
> Mac OSX
> Other
>
correctly.
> Notice the "Solaris", you braindead clod? How stupid are you, really?
> You are so incredibly incompetent that you seem to be father of Hadron and
> Snot Glasser.
>
try solaris. It's a real UNIX.
> VirtualBox includes these predefined setups to have a starting point which
> has several settings optimized for the intended use, you cretinous Snit.
>
> Why now would they include Solaris as one of the options when it does not
> run under it, prey tell? They even manage to run OS/2 in virtualbox, which
> is an OS where VMware just balks
Looks like a inherited a dingle-berry by the name of KohlTard.
GreyCloud
May 13, 2012, 2:51:57 PM5/13/12
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On 5/13/2012 6:49 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> After swilling some grog, Peter Köhlmann belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>
>>> You should then. You seem to be pretty ignorant and can't follow the
>>> thread very well. Why would I want to use Virtual Box on Linux?
>>> It would be a massive waste of time, considering the blatant bugs.
>>
>> I see. That *must* be the reason why linux is used as Host-OS by nearly all
>> ISPs. To run their virtual machines on it
>>
>> YOu are getting more ridiculous by the second, GreyClod
>
> Indeed. We use VirtualBox heavily at work. Most host it on Windows 7.
> I hosted in Debian. It works great, and I think it is is *faster* and
> more stable on Linux than on the Windows boxes that others use.
>
Now go look on those Win7 hosts that run Virtual Box and you'll see the
> After swilling some grog, Peter Köhlmann belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>
>>> You should then. You seem to be pretty ignorant and can't follow the
>>> thread very well. Why would I want to use Virtual Box on Linux?
>>> It would be a massive waste of time, considering the blatant bugs.
>>
>> I see. That *must* be the reason why linux is used as Host-OS by nearly all
>> ISPs. To run their virtual machines on it
>>
>> YOu are getting more ridiculous by the second, GreyClod
>
> Indeed. We use VirtualBox heavily at work. Most host it on Windows 7.
> I hosted in Debian. It works great, and I think it is is *faster* and
> more stable on Linux than on the Windows boxes that others use.
>
task bar from Win7 at the bottom. That isn't 100% screen usage by the
guest at all.
Unlike VMware that does.
GreyCloud
May 13, 2012, 2:52:55 PM5/13/12
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at the bottom that is there.
GreyCloud
May 13, 2012, 2:53:43 PM5/13/12
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On 5/13/2012 6:52 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> After swilling some grog, Bob Hauck belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> On Sun, 13 May 2012 01:16:25 +0200, Peter Köhlmann<peter-k...@t-online.de> wrote:
>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>> On 5/12/2012 1:47 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>
>>> First of all: This thread was about VirtualBox on OSX, you incomepetent
>>> fool. Learn to read, you senile oxygen-thief
>>>
>>> Who cares about VirtualBox on windows? I use VirtualBox to run windows as a
>>> guest. I am certainly not stupid enough to use Windows as a host for it
>>>
>>> And then, VirtualBox on OSX *and* on Linux can run *totally* fullscreen, I
>>> have no doubt that it can on windows too.
>>
>> It can. Company policy is Win7 even though we develop for embedded
>> Linux. So my daily work setup is a full-screen Debian running in
>> Virtualbox on a Windows 7 host. This works fine for everyone but
>> Greycloud.
>
> Yet another "could-fuck-up-a-steel-ball" troll claiming failure for
> a Linux-related product.
>
> Wottasurprise.
>
> Here's another "could-fuck-up-a-steel-ball" troll:
>
Yet another lie from creepy.
> After swilling some grog, Bob Hauck belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> On Sun, 13 May 2012 01:16:25 +0200, Peter Köhlmann<peter-k...@t-online.de> wrote:
>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>> On 5/12/2012 1:47 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>
>>> First of all: This thread was about VirtualBox on OSX, you incomepetent
>>> fool. Learn to read, you senile oxygen-thief
>>>
>>> Who cares about VirtualBox on windows? I use VirtualBox to run windows as a
>>> guest. I am certainly not stupid enough to use Windows as a host for it
>>>
>>> And then, VirtualBox on OSX *and* on Linux can run *totally* fullscreen, I
>>> have no doubt that it can on windows too.
>>
>> It can. Company policy is Win7 even though we develop for embedded
>> Linux. So my daily work setup is a full-screen Debian running in
>> Virtualbox on a Windows 7 host. This works fine for everyone but
>> Greycloud.
>
> Yet another "could-fuck-up-a-steel-ball" troll claiming failure for
> a Linux-related product.
>
> Wottasurprise.
>
> Here's another "could-fuck-up-a-steel-ball" troll:
>
So Slurp for the other "Lying for Lienux" dinks, lying zealot.
GreyCloud
May 13, 2012, 2:54:10 PM5/13/12
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GreyCloud
May 13, 2012, 2:54:41 PM5/13/12
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Bob Hauck
May 13, 2012, 3:43:38 PM5/13/12
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taskbar, but you are still wrong.
Just now, just for you, I started up an XP VM on this Debian machine
that does not have a second monitor. Used right-alt-f to make it full
screen. No KDE taskbar, Windows took over the whole screen. Another
right-alt-f and it is back in a window.
It behaves exactly the same with Win7 as the host.
Now, if I just click on the maximize button on the VM window title bar
it will behave as you describe. Then I get just a regular maximized
window with the KDE taskbar still showing. But if I use the hotkey or
View>Switch to Fullscreen on the menu, then it really goes full-screen.
Dude, I use Virtualbox EVERY DAY at work. Sometimes I run system
simulations with 3 or 4 VM's networked together at the same time. I'm
pretty sure I know the basics.
--
Bob Hauck
GreyCloud
May 13, 2012, 6:29:01 PM5/13/12
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I've downloaded the extras and still it is the same.
>
> Just now, just for you, I started up an XP VM on this Debian machine
> that does not have a second monitor. Used right-alt-f to make it full
> screen. No KDE taskbar, Windows took over the whole screen. Another
> right-alt-f and it is back in a window.
>
> It behaves exactly the same with Win7 as the host.
>
> Now, if I just click on the maximize button on the VM window title bar
> it will behave as you describe. Then I get just a regular maximized
> window with the KDE taskbar still showing. But if I use the hotkey or
> View>Switch to Fullscreen on the menu, then it really goes full-screen.
>
> Dude, I use Virtualbox EVERY DAY at work. Sometimes I run system
> simulations with 3 or 4 VM's networked together at the same time. I'm
> pretty sure I know the basics.
>
GreyCloud
May 13, 2012, 6:43:02 PM5/13/12
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and it complained about some bogus frame-injection attack by Virtual
Box??? And prevented the necessary action I wanted. HP loaded it up,
so I'm unloading it. Then I'll check it out again.
Snit
May 13, 2012, 9:25:16 PM5/13/12
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On 5/13/12 3:43 PM, in article H6KdnYNH98JlpS3S...@bresnan.com,
are not limited to that - thankfully). I know the Windows UI does not have
the same thing (though it does have maximize)... does the API?
--
🙈🙉🙊
"GreyCloud" <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
>> That is the problem here. I'm using Win7 as the host.
>>
>>> It behaves exactly the same with Win7 as the host.
>>>
>>
>> Don't know how linux handles Virtual Box.
>>
>>> Now, if I just click on the maximize button on the VM window title bar
>>> it will behave as you describe. Then I get just a regular maximized
>>> window with the KDE taskbar still showing. But if I use the hotkey or
>>> View>Switch to Fullscreen on the menu, then it really goes full-screen.
>>>
>>> Dude, I use Virtualbox EVERY DAY at work. Sometimes I run system
>>> simulations with 3 or 4 VM's networked together at the same time. I'm
>>> pretty sure I know the basics.
>>>
>> I'll double check again.
>>
>>
> I believe I've found the culprit here. Nortons! I checked their logs,
> and it complained about some bogus frame-injection attack by Virtual
> Box??? And prevented the necessary action I wanted. HP loaded it up,
> so I'm unloading it. Then I'll check it out again.
Apple now has a standard way for programs to do full screen (though programs
>> That is the problem here. I'm using Win7 as the host.
>>
>>> It behaves exactly the same with Win7 as the host.
>>>
>>
>> Don't know how linux handles Virtual Box.
>>
>>> Now, if I just click on the maximize button on the VM window title bar
>>> it will behave as you describe. Then I get just a regular maximized
>>> window with the KDE taskbar still showing. But if I use the hotkey or
>>> View>Switch to Fullscreen on the menu, then it really goes full-screen.
>>>
>>> Dude, I use Virtualbox EVERY DAY at work. Sometimes I run system
>>> simulations with 3 or 4 VM's networked together at the same time. I'm
>>> pretty sure I know the basics.
>>>
>> I'll double check again.
>>
>>
> I believe I've found the culprit here. Nortons! I checked their logs,
> and it complained about some bogus frame-injection attack by Virtual
> Box??? And prevented the necessary action I wanted. HP loaded it up,
> so I'm unloading it. Then I'll check it out again.
are not limited to that - thankfully). I know the Windows UI does not have
the same thing (though it does have maximize)... does the API?
--
🙈🙉🙊
GreyCloud
May 14, 2012, 4:23:07 PM5/14/12
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I also noticed that Nortons got in the way when I was using Konq to look
at a website that Norton would'nt let even Firefox look at.
Now I don't have that problem and now full screen mode works.
Bob Hauck
May 14, 2012, 4:10:16 PM5/14/12
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what exactly does _that_ say about the quality of your beloved Windows
and the apps that run on it?
--
Bob Hauck
Chris Ahlstrom
May 14, 2012, 5:14:52 PM5/14/12
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After swilling some grog, Bob Hauck belched this bit o' wisdom:
That is, if he hasn't been lying through his teeth the whole thread,
which would say something about the quality of his conscience.
--
Unfortunately, many programs are so big that there is no one individual who
really knows all the pieces, and so the amount of code sharing you get isn't
as great. Also, the opportunity to go back and really rewrite something
isn't quite as great, because there's always a new set of features that
you're adding on to the same program.
-- Bill Gates
which would say something about the quality of his conscience.
--
Unfortunately, many programs are so big that there is no one individual who
really knows all the pieces, and so the amount of code sharing you get isn't
as great. Also, the opportunity to go back and really rewrite something
isn't quite as great, because there's always a new set of features that
you're adding on to the same program.
-- Bill Gates
Peter Köhlmann
May 14, 2012, 5:26:28 PM5/14/12
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Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> After swilling some grog, Bob Hauck belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> On Sun, 13 May 2012 16:43:02 -0600, GreyCloud <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> I'll double check again.
>>>>
>>> I believe I've found the culprit here. Nortons! I checked their logs,
>>> and it complained about some bogus frame-injection attack by Virtual
>>> Box??? And prevented the necessary action I wanted. HP loaded it up,
>>> so I'm unloading it. Then I'll check it out again.
>>
>> LMAO! Your anti-malware software is acting like malware itself. Golly,
>> what exactly does _that_ say about the quality of your beloved Windows
>> and the apps that run on it?
And that cretin has the gall to call everyone and his cat "liars" because
> After swilling some grog, Bob Hauck belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> On Sun, 13 May 2012 16:43:02 -0600, GreyCloud <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> I'll double check again.
>>>>
>>> I believe I've found the culprit here. Nortons! I checked their logs,
>>> and it complained about some bogus frame-injection attack by Virtual
>>> Box??? And prevented the necessary action I wanted. HP loaded it up,
>>> so I'm unloading it. Then I'll check it out again.
>>
>> LMAO! Your anti-malware software is acting like malware itself. Golly,
>> what exactly does _that_ say about the quality of your beloved Windows
>> and the apps that run on it?
they corrected that stupid clod dozens of times
Will an apology be forthcoming from that senile lying fool? You bet not
> That is, if he hasn't been lying through his teeth the whole thread,
> which would say something about the quality of his conscience.
>
prematurly death. How could you explain that idiots constant lying and
attacking people who said the truth?
GreySnot is simply a worthless babbling dimwit
GreyCloud
May 14, 2012, 6:28:00 PM5/14/12
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for free.
Not a problem now.
GreyCloud
May 14, 2012, 6:28:27 PM5/14/12
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On 5/14/2012 3:14 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> After swilling some grog, Bob Hauck belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> On Sun, 13 May 2012 16:43:02 -0600, GreyCloud<mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> I'll double check again.
>>>>
>>> I believe I've found the culprit here. Nortons! I checked their logs,
>>> and it complained about some bogus frame-injection attack by Virtual
>>> Box??? And prevented the necessary action I wanted. HP loaded it up,
>>> so I'm unloading it. Then I'll check it out again.
>>
>> LMAO! Your anti-malware software is acting like malware itself. Golly,
>> what exactly does _that_ say about the quality of your beloved Windows
>> and the apps that run on it?
>
> That is, if he hasn't been lying through his teeth the whole thread,
> which would say something about the quality of his conscience.
>
Oh, and you are just pearly white and innocent. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
> After swilling some grog, Bob Hauck belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> On Sun, 13 May 2012 16:43:02 -0600, GreyCloud<mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> I'll double check again.
>>>>
>>> I believe I've found the culprit here. Nortons! I checked their logs,
>>> and it complained about some bogus frame-injection attack by Virtual
>>> Box??? And prevented the necessary action I wanted. HP loaded it up,
>>> so I'm unloading it. Then I'll check it out again.
>>
>> LMAO! Your anti-malware software is acting like malware itself. Golly,
>> what exactly does _that_ say about the quality of your beloved Windows
>> and the apps that run on it?
>
> That is, if he hasn't been lying through his teeth the whole thread,
> which would say something about the quality of his conscience.
>
GreyCloud
May 14, 2012, 6:29:01 PM5/14/12
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Get over it you old kraut.
Bob Hauck
May 14, 2012, 8:22:48 PM5/14/12
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Windows is why you need the anti-malware malware in the first place.
> Not a problem now.
Not that problem anyway. Don't worry though, a new one will be along
shortly.
--
Bob Hauck
GreyCloud
May 15, 2012, 1:29:58 AM5/15/12
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But the worst problem of all is when a vendor, like Apple, starts
changing the development environment around to be almost useless. Xcode
4.x comes to mind.
What I've tried to explain to a few in here is that the computer market
as a whole has stagnated to the point of boredom. The last real
innovator in the market as Amiga... and it died a long time ago.
Nothing really new has come around since. Face it... Linux is centered
around a Unix like os, which is pretty good there, but also uses an even
older paradigm than windows --> X11. I've spent too many years fighting
with X11 a long time ago and I'm looking for something far more
modern... but there really isn't anything.
So why should I get demonized because of my choice for win7?
I thought the mantra was all about choices.
Bob Hauck
May 15, 2012, 8:02:52 AM5/15/12
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explain most of it.
> But the worst problem of all is when a vendor, like Apple, starts
> changing the development environment around to be almost useless.
> Xcode 4.x comes to mind.
> What I've tried to explain to a few in here is that the computer market
> as a whole has stagnated to the point of boredom.
you ignore it because Linux is such a big player?
The last real
> innovator in the market as Amiga... and it died a long time ago.
> Nothing really new has come around since.
> Face it... Linux is centered around a Unix like os, which is pretty
> good there, but also uses an even older paradigm than windows --> X11.
> I've spent too many years fighting with X11 a long time ago and I'm
> looking for something far more modern... but there really isn't
> anything.
> So why should I get demonized because of my choice for win7? I thought
> the mantra was all about choices.
bogus things and when challenged you refuse to back down, even when it
is a question of known fact, not opinion. You call everyone who points
out your error "liars" and "herd members" and worse.
This VirtualBox debacle being a case study. You insisted over and over,
after being told you were wrong by probably a dozen people (and,
incidentally, by the VirtualBox manual and web site) that VirtualBox
COULD NOT run a full-screen guest session. Everyone who said otherwise
was an idiot and a shill and lying, you were the only one that was
right.
And when you finally figured out the error, which was entirely specific
to the Win7 platform you praise so much, no apologies were forthcoming.
You aren't here touting the virtues of Win7 (yes, there are some), you
are here denigrating and spewing vitirol. You are acting like a classic
Internet Crank.
--
Bob Hauck
GreyCloud
May 15, 2012, 1:33:54 PM5/15/12
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it on win7 either, because HP preloaded it with Nortons.
I noticed that Nortons got in the way of Konq when I went to a russian
website to look at one of their news articles, and Nortons popup said
that this was a malicious website. Well, it wasn't.
>
>> But the worst problem of all is when a vendor, like Apple, starts
>> changing the development environment around to be almost useless.
>> Xcode 4.x comes to mind.
>
> Microsoft is notorious for this. Ask any MS-centric developer.
>
>
Xcode. There are too many little tiny icons scattered all over the main
window that doesn't really suggest what it does. Not intuitive at all.
>> What I've tried to explain to a few in here is that the computer market
>> as a whole has stagnated to the point of boredom.
>
> What? You haven't noticed what is going on in the mobile space? Or did
> you ignore it because Linux is such a big player?
>
Got my feet pretty much nailed to the floor with caregiving.
>
> The last real
>> innovator in the market as Amiga... and it died a long time ago.
>> Nothing really new has come around since.
>
>> Face it... Linux is centered around a Unix like os, which is pretty
>> good there, but also uses an even older paradigm than windows --> X11.
>> I've spent too many years fighting with X11 a long time ago and I'm
>> looking for something far more modern... but there really isn't
>> anything.
>
> Android does not use X11.
>
>
>> So why should I get demonized because of my choice for win7? I thought
>> the mantra was all about choices.
>
> You get "demonized" because you act like a crank. You say incredibly
> bogus things and when challenged you refuse to back down, even when it
> is a question of known fact, not opinion. You call everyone who points
> out your error "liars" and "herd members" and worse.
>
It does no good to say "RTFM" or "You are an idiot".
That isn't advocacy. They are the ones that are cranky. And you can
blame the start of it by looking at Chrisv.
> This VirtualBox debacle being a case study. You insisted over and over,
> after being told you were wrong by probably a dozen people (and,
> incidentally, by the VirtualBox manual and web site) that VirtualBox
> COULD NOT run a full-screen guest session. Everyone who said otherwise
> was an idiot and a shill and lying, you were the only one that was
> right.
The problem has since been fixed by dumping it. I could have just lied
about it and not said a thing.
>
> And when you finally figured out the error, which was entirely specific
> to the Win7 platform you praise so much, no apologies were forthcoming.
>
you for your input.
Peter doesn't deserve any apologies for the way he is acting, and I
doubt anybody would offer him or others any apologies for their
behaviour. I'm not a punching bag for them and I'll dish it back to
them in the same manner they started off with. It is their own behaviour.
> You aren't here touting the virtues of Win7 (yes, there are some), you
> are here denigrating and spewing vitirol. You are acting like a classic
> Internet Crank.
>
have. If you had followed chris ahlstroms comments in the beginning,
along with chrisv nasty attacks, chris and I were getting along fine
till he started getting nervous and attacked first. Would you put up
with their behaviour towards you if you found a different platform that
you liked? I bet not.
chrisv
May 16, 2012, 8:47:08 AM5/16/12
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Bob Hauck wrote:
> some piece of shit that calls itself "GreyCloud" wrote:
>>
>> So why should I get demonized because of my choice for win7? I thought
>> the mantra was all about choices.
Jeezuz. The "GreyCloud" piece of shit is *still* using this old *lie*
to attack us as "hypocrites" or whatever.
>You get "demonized" because you act like a crank. You say incredibly
>bogus things and when challenged you refuse to back down, even when it
>is a question of known fact, not opinion. You call everyone who points
>out your error "liars" and "herd members" and worse.
>
> (snip)
>You are acting like a classic Internet Crank.
And that's putting it nicely.
--
"Somehow, it's always about the money with Linux/OSS greedy hypocrite
wackos." - trolling fsckwit "Ezekiel", lying shamelessly
> some piece of shit that calls itself "GreyCloud" wrote:
>>
>> So why should I get demonized because of my choice for win7? I thought
>> the mantra was all about choices.
to attack us as "hypocrites" or whatever.
>You get "demonized" because you act like a crank. You say incredibly
>bogus things and when challenged you refuse to back down, even when it
>is a question of known fact, not opinion. You call everyone who points
>out your error "liars" and "herd members" and worse.
>
>
>You aren't here touting the virtues of Win7 (yes, there are some), you
>are here denigrating and spewing vitirol.
It also uses *lies* to attack decent, honest people.
>You aren't here touting the virtues of Win7 (yes, there are some), you
>are here denigrating and spewing vitirol.
>You are acting like a classic Internet Crank.
--
"Somehow, it's always about the money with Linux/OSS greedy hypocrite
wackos." - trolling fsckwit "Ezekiel", lying shamelessly
GreyCloud
May 16, 2012, 2:20:10 PM5/16/12
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On 5/16/2012 6:47 AM, chrisv wrote:
> Bob Hauck wrote:
>
>> some piece of shit that calls itself "GreyCloud" wrote:
>>>
>>> So why should I get demonized because of my choice for win7? I thought
>>> the mantra was all about choices.
>
> Jeezuz. The "GreyCloud" piece of shit is *still* using this old *lie*
> to attack us as "hypocrites" or whatever.
>
>> You get "demonized" because you act like a crank. You say incredibly
>> bogus things and when challenged you refuse to back down, even when it
>> is a question of known fact, not opinion. You call everyone who points
>> out your error "liars" and "herd members" and worse.
>>
>> (snip)
>>
>> You aren't here touting the virtues of Win7 (yes, there are some), you
>> are here denigrating and spewing vitirol.
>
> It also uses *lies* to attack decent, honest people.
>
>> You are acting like a classic Internet Crank.
>
> And that's putting it nicely.
>
Guffaw!!! And you are not, eh?
> Bob Hauck wrote:
>
>> some piece of shit that calls itself "GreyCloud" wrote:
>>>
>>> So why should I get demonized because of my choice for win7? I thought
>>> the mantra was all about choices.
>
> Jeezuz. The "GreyCloud" piece of shit is *still* using this old *lie*
> to attack us as "hypocrites" or whatever.
>
>> You get "demonized" because you act like a crank. You say incredibly
>> bogus things and when challenged you refuse to back down, even when it
>> is a question of known fact, not opinion. You call everyone who points
>> out your error "liars" and "herd members" and worse.
>>
>> (snip)
>>
>> You aren't here touting the virtues of Win7 (yes, there are some), you
>> are here denigrating and spewing vitirol.
>
> It also uses *lies* to attack decent, honest people.
>
>> You are acting like a classic Internet Crank.
>
> And that's putting it nicely.
>
So much for you lies, turd.
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