You may be a herd member if...

[Snit]

A list of irrational / unsupportable beliefs the herd members hold to or, at
best, refuse to denounce:

* MS has secret deals to stop OEMs from selling Linux pre-installed.
* Apple claims to have invented the "rounded rectangle".
* Desktop Linux serves people as well as the competition.
* Apple never innovated anything.
* Samsung has not been copying Apple's products.
* Apple and MS are struggling / dying companies.
* MS has a monopoly on the desktop.
* Snit is anti-choice (as are others they accuse).
* Snit is anti-Linux (as are others they accuse).
* Snit uses sock puppets (as do others they accuse).
* Stallman's views on kids and sexuality are fine.
* Stallman's doubletalk about "Freedom" is coherent and makes sense.
* MS is evil to have blocked Linux years ago, but Google is fine to
block Aliyun OS *now*.
* When an organization moves to a Linux based product it is always a
good move. When they move away from one it is always a bad move.
* Even though some herd members post membership lists of who is in
the herd, all herd members deny the herd even exists.
* If you recognize there are downsides to massive amounts of distros,
then you must want to be told how to use it and believe everyone
feels the same way.

While there have been some of those points which have been questions by some
of the COLA "advocates", the level of agreement on these irrational and
unsupportable claims is very high. Group consensus is not what determines
truth or who is right or wrong... people's own actions show if they can back
their claims. And when a whole group make the *same* fairly large set of
irrational claims they are showing themselves to be herd-like or
cult-like... or at best just completely irrational and followers of each
other (some, of course, being more prone to following than others).

What other irrational / unsupportable beliefs do the herd accept with little
or no dissent?


--
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fiction: <http://bit.ly/12GULa6>
Using Bilk's own "logic" he posts his lies because the Underground
Marshmallow People pay him to.

[TomB]

On 2013-05-24, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:

> A list of irrational / unsupportable beliefs the herd members hold to or, at
> best, refuse to denounce:

Ooh, a list! Nice!

> * MS has secret deals to stop OEMs from selling Linux pre-installed.

They definitely had. Proof enough of that. Given their poor track
record, they still *might* have shady deals with *some* OEMs, maybe
not to /prevent/ selling GNU/Linux pre-installed, but perhaps to
/discourage/ it or make it less appealing to do so. However, this is
speculation, and I don't have any proof for this.

> * Apple claims to have invented the "rounded rectangle".

They do have a patent on the shape of the iPad, which happens to be a
rounded rectangle. This one's up for interpretation. In my view their
design claim on the very basic shape of the iPad is over the top -
lots of prior art there.

> * Desktop Linux serves people as well as the competition.

I think it often does. It might serve some even *better*! How about
that?!

> * Apple never innovated anything.

Depends on what you call "innovation". If it means coming up with
something that has never been done before, then no. If it means to
come up with stuff that's taking a completely different spin on stuff
that existed in some other form before, than yes.

In any case, Apple definitely knows how to market stuff.

> * Samsung has not been copying Apple's products.

They haven't. Some Samsung products are however clearly inspired by
some Apple products. But copies? No.

> * Apple and MS are struggling / dying companies.

At least Microsoft is facing a big challenge with the changing
computing landscape, but I wouldn't call them "dying" or "struggling".
Yet.

> * MS has a monopoly on the desktop.

They do.

> * Snit is anti-choice (as are others they accuse).
> * Snit is anti-Linux (as are others they accuse).

I don't know. Are you?

> * Snit uses sock puppets (as do others they accuse).

I don't know. Do you?

> * Stallman's views on kids and sexuality are fine.

Considering the generally accepted norms, they are controversial. All
the rest is opinion.

> * Stallman's doubletalk about "Freedom" is coherent and makes sense.

You will have to rephrase this to deserve an answer...

> * MS is evil to have blocked Linux years ago, but Google is fine to
> block Aliyun OS *now*.

Very different situations.

> * When an organization moves to a Linux based product it is always a
> good move. When they move away from one it is always a bad move.

It depends. For example, I recently replaced GNU/Linux with FreeBSD
for all the NAS/SAN systems at work.

> * Even though some herd members post membership lists of who is in
> the herd, all herd members deny the herd even exists.

I have yet to see such a membership list.

> * If you recognize there are downsides to massive amounts of distros,
> then you must want to be told how to use it and believe everyone
> feels the same way.

No idea what that is supposed to mean. In any case, there are down-
and upsides to everything.

> While there have been some of those points which have been questions
> by some of the COLA "advocates", the level of agreement on these
> irrational and unsupportable claims is very high. Group consensus is
> not what determines truth or who is right or wrong... people's own
> actions show if they can back their claims. And when a whole group
> make the *same* fairly large set of irrational claims they are
> showing themselves to be herd-like or cult-like... or at best just
> completely irrational and followers of each other (some, of course,
> being more prone to following than others).
>
> What other irrational / unsupportable beliefs do the herd accept
> with little or no dissent?

That you are a troll? But that's of course not just "the herd" :-p

--
Son, a woman is like a beer. They smell good, they look good,
you'd step over your own mother just to get one! But you
can't stop at one. You wanna drink another woman!
~ Homer J. Simpson

[-hh]

On May 25, 6:11 am, TomB <tommy.bongae...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2013-05-24, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>
> > A list of irrational / unsupportable beliefs the herd members hold to or, at
> > best, refuse to denounce:
>
> Ooh, a list! Nice!

Not really. Sure, putting it together did occupy some of his time,
but now he's got a Cut 'n Paste job to pester with.

> > * MS has secret deals to stop OEMs from selling Linux pre-installed.
>
> They definitely had. Proof enough of that. Given their poor track
> record, they still *might* have shady deals with *some* OEMs, maybe
> not to /prevent/ selling GNU/Linux pre-installed, but perhaps to
> /discourage/ it or make it less appealing to do so. However, this is
> speculation, and I don't have any proof for this.

Fair enough, but at what point does "Ancient History" stop being
relevant, let alone the lack of any contemporary evidence with which
to make daily claim that it is still ongoing from the likes of 7 and
Bilk even plausible?

> > * Apple claims to have invented the "rounded rectangle".
>
> They do have a patent on the shape of the iPad, which happens to be a
> rounded rectangle. This one's up for interpretation. In my view their
> design claim on the very basic shape of the iPad is over the top -
> lots of prior art there.

It is up to the professionals at the USPO to decide. If you don't
like it, file an anonymous appeal for review...afterall, that is
precisely what Samsung's backers have been doing for the past two
years.

> > * Desktop Linux serves people as well as the competition.
>
> I think it often does. It might serve some even *better*! How about
> that?!

The public has voted with their wallet/pocketbook: the percentage
that embraces Desktop Linux is still quite small...not quite "noise
level", but it also hasn't substantially budged in the last decade,
even despite MS's popular decline and that Linux is given away for
free. Sure, you can try to argue that marketing does make a
difference ... but just remember that that then also applies to the
Mobile market.

> > * Apple never innovated anything.
>
> Depends on what you call "innovation". If it means coming up with
> something that has never been done before, then no. If it means to
> come up with stuff that's taking a completely different spin on stuff
> that existed in some other form before, than yes.

It is up to the professionals at the USPO to decide...particularly
since a Patent is effectively by definition "something that's not been
done before."

> In any case, Apple definitely knows how to market stuff.
>
> > * Samsung has not been copying Apple's products.
>
> They haven't. Some Samsung products are however clearly inspired by
> some Apple products. But copies? No.

Depends on what you call "copy". True, Samsung hasn't been caught
making perfect duplicates, but their "inspired by" has been close
enough to have included legal determinations of patent violations.

> > * Apple and MS are struggling / dying companies.
>
> At least Microsoft is facing a big challenge with the changing
> computing landscape, but I wouldn't call them "dying" or "struggling".
> Yet.

YMMV. MS is definitely IMO in decline and I'd also at least call them
"struggling" too.

> > * MS has a monopoly on the desktop.
>
> They do.

MS has an effective monopoly on the desktop in the Enterprise. For
the home/personal market, not so.

> > * Snit is anti-choice (as are others they accuse).
> > * Snit is anti-Linux (as are others they accuse).
>
> I don't know. Are you?

Narcism that can be ignored.

> > * Snit uses sock puppets (as do others they accuse).
>
> I don't know. Do you?

IIRC, there's been sufficient proof provided on other groups.

> > * Stallman's views on kids and sexuality are fine.
>
> Considering the generally accepted norms, they are controversial.
> All the rest is opinion.

Nothing to do with the topic, really. Is present here tangentially
because Michael doesn't understand Set Theory in Mathematics.

> > * Stallman's doubletalk about "Freedom" is coherent and makes sense.
>
> You will have to rephrase this to deserve an answer...

It's alluding to how 'Freedom' is a common COLA mantra. True, having
a product's source code does permit self-determination, but most of
its backers only can apply this as a general principle, as they lack
the skills to actually apply that resource to self-help. As such, the
concept of self-determination that they believe that they're embracing
is essentially a mirage.

> > * MS is evil to have blocked Linux years ago, but Google is fine to
> >   block Aliyun OS *now*.
>
> Very different situations.

Both were done to advance the self interests of those corporations
alone...no difference in principles, just in implementation.

> > * When an organization moves to a Linux based product it is always a
> >   good move. When they move away from one it is always a bad move.
>
> It depends. For example, I recently replaced GNU/Linux with FreeBSD
> for all the NAS/SAN systems at work.

Invalid example, as FreeBSD is not a commercial proprietary product.

> > * Even though some herd members post membership lists of who is in
> >   the herd, all herd members deny the herd even exists.
>
> I have yet to see such a membership list.

G+

> > * If you recognize there are downsides to massive amounts of distros,
> >   then you must want to be told how to use it and believe everyone
> >   feels the same way.
>
> No idea what that is supposed to mean. In any case, there are down-
> and upsides to everything.

I agree that everything incurs trade-offs...but one rarely finds
rational agreement with that here, unless the trade is proposed as
'Linux Flavor A versus Linux Flavor B', which is artificially
constrained.

> > While there have been some of those points which have been questions
> > by some of the COLA "advocates", the level of agreement on these
> > irrational and unsupportable claims is very high. Group consensus is
> > not what determines truth or who is right or wrong... people's own
> > actions show if they can back their claims. And when a whole group
> > make the *same* fairly large set of irrational claims they are
> > showing themselves to be herd-like or cult-like... or at best just
> > completely irrational and followers of each other (some, of course,
> > being more prone to following than others).
>
> > What other irrational / unsupportable beliefs do the herd accept
> > with little or no dissent?
>
> That you are a troll? But that's of course not just "the herd" :-p

Sorry Tom, you're in error because that's **rational and
supportable**.


-hh

[Snit]

On 5/25/13 3:11 AM, in article 201305251...@usenet.drumscum.be, "TomB"

<tommy.b...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2013-05-24, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>> A list of irrational / unsupportable beliefs the herd members hold to or, at
>> best, refuse to denounce:
>
> Ooh, a list! Nice!
>
>> * MS has secret deals to stop OEMs from selling Linux pre-installed.
>
> They definitely had. Proof enough of that. Given their poor track
> record, they still *might* have shady deals with *some* OEMs, maybe
> not to /prevent/ selling GNU/Linux pre-installed, but perhaps to
> /discourage/ it or make it less appealing to do so. However, this is
> speculation, and I don't have any proof for this.

And if they did the would be getting in big trouble, so the chances that
they do are nearly nil. And yet several people in COLA repeatedly claim they
do - and I do not recall ever seeing you call them out on this.

>> * Apple claims to have invented the "rounded rectangle".
>
> They do have a patent on the shape of the iPad, which happens to be a
> rounded rectangle. This one's up for interpretation. In my view their
> design claim on the very basic shape of the iPad is over the top -
> lots of prior art there.

They have a patent on the *design* of the iPad, not its outer shape. You are
just out and out wrong here... and in basic agreement with the nonsense of
the herd.

>> * Desktop Linux serves people as well as the competition.
>
> I think it often does. It might serve some even *better*! How about
> that?!

It sometimes does - but not generally. This is shown very easy by the fact
that Dell and HP and others have tried to sell Linux based boxes and not
done well... and Linux is easy to get and install and few people do... and
most who do download it and install it do not stick with it.

>> * Apple never innovated anything.
>
> Depends on what you call "innovation". If it means coming up with
> something that has never been done before, then no. If it means to
> come up with stuff that's taking a completely different spin on stuff
> that existed in some other form before, than yes.
>
> In any case, Apple definitely knows how to market stuff.

Unless you look to twist really, really hard it is impossible to deny that
Apple has made massive changes in many markets. And you are clearly trying.
Again, you are at least in general agreement with the herd here, though not
as extreme as Homer and the like.

>> * Samsung has not been copying Apple's products.
>
> They haven't. Some Samsung products are however clearly inspired by
> some Apple products. But copies? No.

Copies. As much as they can. Absolutely. Proof has been shown repeatedly.
Again, you are drinking the herd Kool-Aid here.

>> * Apple and MS are struggling / dying companies.
>
> At least Microsoft is facing a big challenge with the changing
> computing landscape, but I wouldn't call them "dying" or "struggling".
> Yet.

Not even close. Again, you are at least leaning toward the herd BS.

>> * MS has a monopoly on the desktop.
>
> They do.

So you drink the herd Kool-Aid on this one all the way.

>> * Snit is anti-choice (as are others they accuse).
>> * Snit is anti-Linux (as are others they accuse).
>
> I don't know. Are you?

Of course not - and I have gone into this in quite heavy detail.

>> * Snit uses sock puppets (as do others they accuse).
>
> I don't know. Do you?

Of course not.

>> * Stallman's views on kids and sexuality are fine.
>
> Considering the generally accepted norms, they are controversial. All
> the rest is opinion.

His condoning of child abuse is *not* acceptable in any way, shape, or form.
And, yes, having unfiltered access to all sorts of porn, including child
porn, in public schools - and encouraging students to watch it - is a form
of child abuse.

Again, you drink the Kool-Aid here.

>> * Stallman's doubletalk about "Freedom" is coherent and makes sense.
>
> You will have to rephrase this to deserve an answer...

His idea of what is "Free" is to make the choices he approves of. And you
are drinking the Kool-Aid.

>> * MS is evil to have blocked Linux years ago, but Google is fine to
>> block Aliyun OS *now*.
>
> Very different situations.

And you are not willing to say either is wrong. Slurp!

>> * When an organization moves to a Linux based product it is always a
>> good move. When they move away from one it is always a bad move.
>
> It depends. For example, I recently replaced GNU/Linux with FreeBSD
> for all the NAS/SAN systems at work.

And how about moving to Windows or OS X? See how you dodged the basic point.
More signs of a Kool-Aid drinker.

>> * Even though some herd members post membership lists of who is in
>> the herd, all herd members deny the herd even exists.
>
> I have yet to see such a membership list.

It has been shown to you repeatedly... Homer publishes it and your name is
on it. You even said if your name was on the list you would demand it be
removed. You never did. You are backing the herd all the way here.

>> * If you recognize there are downsides to massive amounts of distros,
>> then you must want to be told how to use it and believe everyone
>> feels the same way.
>
> No idea what that is supposed to mean. In any case, there are down-
> and upsides to everything.

What it means is the utter nonsense Homer spews... but you never call him
out on this. You do not question the herd on this content which is just
nonsense.

>> While there have been some of those points which have been questions
>> by some of the COLA "advocates", the level of agreement on these
>> irrational and unsupportable claims is very high. Group consensus is
>> not what determines truth or who is right or wrong... people's own
>> actions show if they can back their claims. And when a whole group
>> make the *same* fairly large set of irrational claims they are
>> showing themselves to be herd-like or cult-like... or at best just
>> completely irrational and followers of each other (some, of course,
>> being more prone to following than others).
>>
>> What other irrational / unsupportable beliefs do the herd accept
>> with little or no dissent?
>
> That you are a troll? But that's of course not just "the herd" :-p

You are in basic agreement with the claims, above, which are not supportable
at best and many of them are obvious fictions. I actually expected you to
disagree with the herd more than you did... interesting.

--
"I have never, ever cared about really anything but the Linux desktop."
-- Linus Torvalds

[Chris Ahlstrom]

After swilling some grog, TomB belched this bit o' wisdom:

> On 2013-05-24, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:

Snit is a lying bastard.

> That you are a troll? But that's of course not just "the herd" :-p

Let him post his k00k material unanswered.

Everyone soon figures out that he's a crank.

[flatfish+++]

On Sat, 25 May 2013 09:52:46 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> After swilling some grog, TomB belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> On 2013-05-24, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>
> Snit is a lying bastard.

His post about characteristics of the Linux herd is spot on and you
know it Chris Ahlstrom.

The truth hurts you which is why you run from it.

Why not grow a set, admit the problems the Linux community and Linux
FOSS has and begin to campaign to change them?

Is it better to LIE for LIEnux and get caught all the time?

--
flatfish+++
PLEASE VISIT OUR HALL OF LINUX IDIOTS:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

[GreyCloud]

[Snit]

On 5/25/13 4:23 AM, in article
17e0c004-a862-4c24...@bh5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com, "-hh"

<recscub...@huntzinger.com> wrote:

> On May 25, 6:11�am, TomB <tommy.bongae...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2013-05-24, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>
>>> A list of irrational / unsupportable beliefs the herd members hold to or, at
>>> best, refuse to denounce:
>>
>> Ooh, a list! Nice!
>
> Not really. Sure, putting it together did occupy some of his time,
> but now he's got a Cut 'n Paste job to pester with.
>
>
>>> * MS has secret deals to stop OEMs from selling Linux pre-installed.
>>
>> They definitely had. Proof enough of that. Given their poor track
>> record, they still *might* have shady deals with *some* OEMs, maybe
>> not to /prevent/ selling GNU/Linux pre-installed, but perhaps to
>> /discourage/ it or make it less appealing to do so. However, this is
>> speculation, and I don't have any proof for this.
>
> Fair enough, but at what point does "Ancient History" stop being
> relevant, let alone the lack of any contemporary evidence with which
> to make daily claim that it is still ongoing from the likes of 7 and
> Bilk even plausible?

It is not plausible. Dell, HP, and others do sell Linux systems... just not
many. The demand is tiny.

>>> * Apple claims to have invented the "rounded rectangle".
>>
>> They do have a patent on the shape of the iPad, which happens to be a
>> rounded rectangle. This one's up for interpretation. In my view their
>> design claim on the very basic shape of the iPad is over the top -
>> lots of prior art there.
>
> It is up to the professionals at the USPO to decide. If you don't
> like it, file an anonymous appeal for review...afterall, that is
> precisely what Samsung's backers have been doing for the past two
> years.

It is not up to any government person to decide. The claim that Apple
patented a shape is simply false.

>>> * Desktop Linux serves people as well as the competition.
>>
>> I think it often does. It might serve some even *better*! How about
>> that?!
>
> The public has voted with their wallet/pocketbook: the percentage
> that embraces Desktop Linux is still quite small...not quite "noise
> level", but it also hasn't substantially budged in the last decade,
> even despite MS's popular decline and that Linux is given away for
> free. Sure, you can try to argue that marketing does make a
> difference ... but just remember that that then also applies to the
> Mobile market.

Right.

>>> * Apple never innovated anything.
>>
>> Depends on what you call "innovation". If it means coming up with
>> something that has never been done before, then no. If it means to
>> come up with stuff that's taking a completely different spin on stuff
>> that existed in some other form before, than yes.
>
> It is up to the professionals at the USPO to decide...particularly
> since a Patent is effectively by definition "something that's not been
> done before."

Again, no government agency can take away the massive impact Apple has had
on multiple markets... turning them around with their innovations.

>> In any case, Apple definitely knows how to market stuff.
>>
>>> * Samsung has not been copying Apple's products.
>>
>> They haven't. Some Samsung products are however clearly inspired by
>> some Apple products. But copies? No.
>
> Depends on what you call "copy". True, Samsung hasn't been caught
> making perfect duplicates, but their "inspired by" has been close
> enough to have included legal determinations of patent violations.

<http://i.imgur.com/TmUj2.jpg>
<http://goo.gl/S2AJR>
<http://goo.gl/bWDs6>
<http://goo.gl/NjrfV>

There is no defense. Samsung clearly and unambigiously has been copying
Apple.

>>> * Apple and MS are struggling / dying companies.
>>
>> At least Microsoft is facing a big challenge with the changing
>> computing landscape, but I wouldn't call them "dying" or "struggling".
>> Yet.
>
> YMMV. MS is definitely IMO in decline and I'd also at least call them
> "struggling" too.

They have their struggles - sure. But dying. No. They will be here for years
to come.

>>> * MS has a monopoly on the desktop.
>>
>> They do.
>
> MS has an effective monopoly on the desktop in the Enterprise. For
> the home/personal market, not so.

Even in the enterprise Macs are not uncommon these days. But see the
dichotomy... they have a monopoly but they are really struggling. These are
the herd claims.

>>> * Snit is anti-choice (as are others they accuse).
>>> * Snit is anti-Linux (as are others they accuse).
>>
>> I don't know. Are you?
>
> Narcism that can be ignored.

Oh, I am definitely a prime target of the herd... though they attack others
as well.

>>> * Snit uses sock puppets (as do others they accuse).
>>
>> I don't know. Do you?
>
> IIRC, there's been sufficient proof provided on other groups.

No, there has not. There have been claims by the stalker and Sandman... with
*nothing* to back up their BS. Not a thing.

>>> * Stallman's views on kids and sexuality are fine.
>>
>> Considering the generally accepted norms, they are controversial.
>> All the rest is opinion.
>
> Nothing to do with the topic, really. Is present here tangentially
> because Michael doesn't understand Set Theory in Mathematics.

The topic is absurd things the herd believes or does not question. This is
one of them.

>>> * Stallman's doubletalk about "Freedom" is coherent and makes sense.
>>
>> You will have to rephrase this to deserve an answer...
>
> It's alluding to how 'Freedom' is a common COLA mantra. True, having
> a product's source code does permit self-determination, but most of
> its backers only can apply this as a general principle, as they lack
> the skills to actually apply that resource to self-help. As such, the
> concept of self-determination that they believe that they're embracing
> is essentially a mirage.

It is more about how his "Freedom" implies people making choices only he
approves of.

>>> * MS is evil to have blocked Linux years ago, but Google is fine to
>>> � block Aliyun OS *now*.
>>
>> Very different situations.
>
> Both were done to advance the self interests of those corporations
> alone...no difference in principles, just in implementation.

Right... and notice how TomB dodges this.

>>> * When an organization moves to a Linux based product it is always a
>>> � good move. When they move away from one it is always a bad move.
>>
>> It depends. For example, I recently replaced GNU/Linux with FreeBSD
>> for all the NAS/SAN systems at work.
>
> Invalid example, as FreeBSD is not a commercial proprietary product.

Exactly.

>>> * Even though some herd members post membership lists of who is in
>>> � the herd, all herd members deny the herd even exists.
>>
>> I have yet to see such a membership list.
>
> G+

Homer posts a list of "advocates" on a frequent basis... a list of people he
considers to be in the herd.

>>> * If you recognize there are downsides to massive amounts of distros,
>>> � then you must want to be told how to use it and believe everyone
>>> � feels the same way.
>>
>> No idea what that is supposed to mean. In any case, there are down-
>> and upsides to everything.
>
> I agree that everything incurs trade-offs...but one rarely finds
> rational agreement with that here, unless the trade is proposed as
> 'Linux Flavor A versus Linux Flavor B', which is artificially
> constrained.

Exactly. So TomB can say there are ups and downs... can he discuss those?

>>> While there have been some of those points which have been questions
>>> by some of the COLA "advocates", the level of agreement on these
>>> irrational and unsupportable claims is very high. Group consensus is
>>> not what determines truth or who is right or wrong... people's own
>>> actions show if they can back their claims. And when a whole group
>>> make the *same* fairly large set of irrational claims they are
>>> showing themselves to be herd-like or cult-like... or at best just
>>> completely irrational and followers of each other (some, of course,
>>> being more prone to following than others).
>>
>>> What other irrational / unsupportable beliefs do the herd accept
>>> with little or no dissent?
>>
>> That you are a troll? But that's of course not just "the herd" :-p
>
> Sorry Tom, you're in error because that's **rational and
> supportable**.

Nope... unless you count my responding to those who troll a lot to be a form
of being a troll myself.


--
"This doesn't mean our work is over; most GNU/Linux distros today contain
nonfree software, and there are more things that we expect a system to do."
-- Richard Stallman

[Snit]

On 5/25/13 6:52 AM, in article knqffi$ft1$2...@dont-email.me, "Chris Ahlstrom"

Predictably: Ahlstrom does not show any disagreement with any of the herd
talking points:

* MS has secret deals to stop OEMs from selling Linux pre-installed.

* Apple claims to have invented the "rounded rectangle".

* Desktop Linux serves people as well as the competition.

* Apple never innovated anything.

* Samsung has not been copying Apple's products.

* Apple and MS are struggling / dying companies.

* MS has a monopoly on the desktop.

* Snit is anti-choice (as are others they accuse).
* Snit is anti-Linux (as are others they accuse).

* Snit uses sock puppets (as do others they accuse).

* Stallman's views on kids and sexuality are fine.

* Stallman's doubletalk about "Freedom" is coherent and makes sense.

* MS is evil to have blocked Linux years ago, but Google is fine to
block Aliyun OS *now*.

* When an organization moves to a Linux based product it is always a
good move. When they move away from one it is always a bad move.

* Even though some herd members post membership lists of who is in
the herd, all herd members deny the herd even exists.

* If you recognize there are downsides to massive amounts of distros,
then you must want to be told how to use it and believe everyone
feels the same way.

--
"It is often hard to persuade the developers of one component to do what
improves the system as a whole rather than what will make their own
component more useful and successful." -- Richard Stallman

[Snit]

On 5/25/13 7:04 AM, in article 11ukfrczwnm3e.1gk5ksk46berd$.d...@40tude.net,

"flatfish+++" <phlat...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 25 May 2013 09:52:46 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> After swilling some grog, TomB belched this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>> On 2013-05-24, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>
>> Snit is a lying bastard.
>
> His post about characteristics of the Linux herd is spot on and you
> know it Chris Ahlstrom.
>
> The truth hurts you which is why you run from it.
>
> Why not grow a set, admit the problems the Linux community and Linux
> FOSS has and begin to campaign to change them?
>
> Is it better to LIE for LIEnux and get caught all the time?

He knows it is which is why he snips the list.

* MS has secret deals to stop OEMs from selling Linux pre-installed.

* Apple claims to have invented the "rounded rectangle".

* Desktop Linux serves people as well as the competition.

* Apple never innovated anything.

* Samsung has not been copying Apple's products.

* Apple and MS are struggling / dying companies.

* MS has a monopoly on the desktop.

* Snit is anti-choice (as are others they accuse).
* Snit is anti-Linux (as are others they accuse).

* Snit uses sock puppets (as do others they accuse).

* Stallman's views on kids and sexuality are fine.

* Stallman's doubletalk about "Freedom" is coherent and makes sense.

* MS is evil to have blocked Linux years ago, but Google is fine to
block Aliyun OS *now*.

* When an organization moves to a Linux based product it is always a
good move. When they move away from one it is always a bad move.

* Even though some herd members post membership lists of who is in
the herd, all herd members deny the herd even exists.

* If you recognize there are downsides to massive amounts of distros,
then you must want to be told how to use it and believe everyone
feels the same way.

He will not denounce a single one of those baseless or even clearly absurd
(and even contradictory) claims. MS is dying... but has a monopoly and is
also powerful enough to stop Dell, HP, etc. from selling Linux systems. Even
though they do.

None of their BS makes sense.


--
"Maybe there is someone who considers it disgusting for a parrot to have sex
with a human. Or for a dolphin or tiger to have sex with a human. So what?
Others feel that all sex is disgusting." -- Richard Stallman

[Tattoo Vampire]

Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> wrote:

> Everyone soon figures out that he's a crank.

I hope his wife does soon. She deserves better.

[flatfish+++]

It does for a cult.

In a true cult, the members will blindly follow the religion without
exception and without concrete proof. Outsiders are the ones who are
wrong and any attempt to reason with a cult member on a logical basis
is interpreted as an attack on the cult.

Should a member leave the cult, they are immediately ostracized and
attacked as an enemy of the movement.

Cult leaders are excellent manipulators and very good liars.
They can lie with a straight face and when confronted with evidence
of their lies they are able to deflect any damage easily.

They know they have the rest of the cult to surround the nest and
protect them with a ring of even more lies.

This is the principle behind LIEing for LIEnux.
Simply make it up and the remaining FOSSies will come to your aid
should you get challenged.

When something truthful and negative against the cult gets posted,
simply ignore it and make like it doesn't exist.

And so forth.

Again, these FOSSies in COLA are as a group a very sick bunch.
Several appear to be quite mentally ill while others are just
spineless followers too afraid of their own shadow to admit the truth
about Linux and FOSS.

It's certainly quite a collection and quite entertaining to watch.

[Snit]

On 5/25/13 12:40 PM, in article alhkzffflsh1$.ckkmkmbbve09$.d...@40tude.net,

Right... you have to toss logic and reason and evidence out the door or you
are a "troll" in their minds.

> In a true cult, the members will blindly follow the religion without
> exception and without concrete proof. Outsiders are the ones who are
> wrong and any attempt to reason with a cult member on a logical basis
> is interpreted as an attack on the cult.
>
> Should a member leave the cult, they are immediately ostracized and
> attacked as an enemy of the movement.
>
> Cult leaders are excellent manipulators and very good liars.
> They can lie with a straight face and when confronted with evidence
> of their lies they are able to deflect any damage easily.
>
> They know they have the rest of the cult to surround the nest and
> protect them with a ring of even more lies.
>
> This is the principle behind LIEing for LIEnux.
> Simply make it up and the remaining FOSSies will come to your aid
> should you get challenged.
>
> When something truthful and negative against the cult gets posted,
> simply ignore it and make like it doesn't exist.
>
> And so forth.
>
> Again, these FOSSies in COLA are as a group a very sick bunch.
> Several appear to be quite mentally ill while others are just
> spineless followers too afraid of their own shadow to admit the truth
> about Linux and FOSS.
>
> It's certainly quite a collection and quite entertaining to watch.

Absolutely.

--
"Blocking adolescents� access to porn, or keeping them ignorant of sex in
any way, is likely to stunt their emotional growth and make them vulnerable
to mistakes that can hurt them badly." -- Richard Stallman

[Chris Ahlstrom]

After swilling some grog, Tattoo Vampire belched this bit o' wisdom:

> Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> wrote:
>
>> Everyone soon figures out that he's a crank.
>
> I hope his wife does soon. She deserves better.

Why are you stealing the this.computer domain?

:-D

[Snit]

On 5/25/13 2:35 PM, in article knrai9$89b$1...@dont-email.me, "Chris Ahlstrom"

Come on, Ahlstrom, why not say which of the following you are willing to
denounce:

* MS has secret deals to stop OEMs from selling Linux pre-installed.

* Apple claims to have invented the "rounded rectangle".

* Desktop Linux serves people as well as the competition.

* Apple never innovated anything.

* Samsung has not been copying Apple's products.

* Apple and MS are struggling / dying companies.

* MS has a monopoly on the desktop.

* Snit is anti-choice (as are others they accuse).
* Snit is anti-Linux (as are others they accuse).

* Snit uses sock puppets (as do others they accuse).

* Stallman's views on kids and sexuality are fine.

* Stallman's doubletalk about "Freedom" is coherent and makes sense.

* MS is evil to have blocked Linux years ago, but Google is fine to
block Aliyun OS *now*.

* When an organization moves to a Linux based product it is always a
good move. When they move away from one it is always a bad move.

* Even though some herd members post membership lists of who is in
the herd, all herd members deny the herd even exists.

* If you recognize there are downsides to massive amounts of distros,
then you must want to be told how to use it and believe everyone
feels the same way.

My guess: none. Herd member through and through.


--
"I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children."
-- Richard Stallman

[flatfish+++]

Chris Ahlstrom is without doubt the weakest herd member.

In the Linux FOSSie herd, unlike the animal kingdom, they prefer weak
members and typically thin out the herd by tossing the strong willed
members. IOW those who can think and speak for themselves don't last
long in the Linux herd / cult.

Don't worry Chris, you are amongst friends here in COLA and they will
support you even though you can barely support yourself.

[Snit]

On 5/25/13 3:03 PM, in article 11t708zia4yg1.1...@40tude.net,

+1

Yes... he is just here to say how much he backs those who push the above
baseless, irrational, and even contradictory claims.


--
"In fact, the main goal of Linux might be called usability... the most
important thing is that it works well and people ... want to use it."
-- Linus Torvalds

[Tattoo Vampire]

Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> wrote:

> Why are you stealing the this.computer domain?
>
> :-D

Why are you peeking at my headers? :-P

[flatfish+++]

He's looking for your pee pee so he can wipe it.
He just started at the wrong end....

Chris Ahlstrom isn't one of the sharper Linux FOSSie's.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

After swilling some grog, Tattoo Vampire belched this bit o' wisdom:

To see if you're wearing a doo-rag!

[TomB]

On 2013-05-25, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:

8<

>>> * Apple claims to have invented the "rounded rectangle".
>>
>> They do have a patent on the shape of the iPad, which happens to be
>> a rounded rectangle. This one's up for interpretation. In my view
>> their design claim on the very basic shape of the iPad is over the
>> top - lots of prior art there.
>
> They have a patent on the *design* of the iPad, not its outer shape.
> You are just out and out wrong here... and in basic agreement with
> the nonsense of the herd.

The "rounded rectangle" thing is not a COLA specific thing. The patent
in question has be referred to as such by *a lot* of different
sources:

https://www.google.be/#gs_rn=14&gs_ri=psy-ab&tok=Ss_ZPbPvyMLfzUZhnjq1WQ&cp=15&gs_id=kf&xhr=t&q=apple+rounded+rectangle+patent&es_nrs=true&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&oq=apple+rounded+r&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.47008514,d.d2k&fp=747aba6c9e2002e7&biw=1678&bih=917

Being in agreement with this has *nothing* to do with being part of
some imaginary herd.

And that goes for most of your "points".

8<

--
Well, well, well. If it isn't Wil Wheaton. The Green Goblin to my Spiderman.
The Pope Paul V to my Galileo. The Internet Explorer to my Firefox.
~ Sheldon Cooper

[Snit]

On 5/26/13 9:46 AM, in article 201305261...@usenet.drumscum.be, "TomB"

<tommy.b...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2013-05-25, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>
> 8<
>
>>>> * Apple claims to have invented the "rounded rectangle".
>>>
>>> They do have a patent on the shape of the iPad, which happens to be
>>> a rounded rectangle. This one's up for interpretation. In my view
>>> their design claim on the very basic shape of the iPad is over the
>>> top - lots of prior art there.
>>
>> They have a patent on the *design* of the iPad, not its outer shape.
>> You are just out and out wrong here... and in basic agreement with
>> the nonsense of the herd.
>
> The "rounded rectangle" thing is not a COLA specific thing.

Correct. It is not as if the lies and baseless claims the herd pushes are
all unique to the COLA herd. In each case I am sure you can find others who
believe any one of the given absurd claims the herd pushes.

But can can you find any other group of people who pushes the same set of
absurd / baseless / contradictory claims? Maybe... but if you can I bet they
are followers of Stallman as well.

But give it a try... try to find any other group which pushes these things
(the ones where I reference my name specifically, of course, would have to
be modified to include whoever is in their group... it would be unreasonable
to expect you to find *that*... I should re-word those to not include any
given individual):

* MS has secret deals to stop OEMs from selling Linux pre-installed.

* Apple claims to have invented the "rounded rectangle".

* Desktop Linux serves people as well as the competition.

* Apple never innovated anything.

* Samsung has not been copying Apple's products.

* Apple and MS are struggling / dying companies.

* MS has a monopoly on the desktop.

* Snit is anti-choice (as are others they accuse).
* Snit is anti-Linux (as are others they accuse).

* Snit uses sock puppets (as do others they accuse).

* Stallman's views on kids and sexuality are fine.

* Stallman's doubletalk about "Freedom" is coherent and makes sense.

* MS is evil to have blocked Linux years ago, but Google is fine to
block Aliyun OS *now*.

* When an organization moves to a Linux based product it is always a
good move. When they move away from one it is always a bad move.

* Even though some herd members post membership lists of who is in
the herd, all herd members deny the herd even exists.

* If you recognize there are downsides to massive amounts of distros,
then you must want to be told how to use it and believe everyone
feels the same way.

> The patent
> in question has be referred to as such by *a lot* of different
> sources:
>
> https://www.google.be/#gs_rn=14&gs_ri=psy-ab&tok=Ss_ZPbPvyMLfzUZhnjq1WQ&cp=15&
> gs_id=kf&xhr=t&q=apple+rounded+rectangle+patent&es_nrs=true&pf=p&sclient=psy-a
> b&oq=apple+rounded+r&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.47008514,d.d2k&
> fp=747aba6c9e2002e7&biw=1678&bih=917
>
> Being in agreement with this has *nothing* to do with being part of
> some imaginary herd.

Oh, agreeing with just one or two of these irrational, baseless,
contradictor things is not sufficient to show you are a part of the herd.
You have to agree with most or, at least, not question those who do.

You actually showed a greater level of agreement with them than I expected.
And, of course, most of the herd will not even comment on them - they know
their agreement is even stronger and they would just serve to prove my
point. As a part of the herd it would be considered evil to go out of your
way to show I was right. You were quite daring in doing so! Be prepared for
a backlash from the more extreme members of the herd. They will not be
pleased.

> And that goes for most of your "points".

Again, you can find someone who believes in any one of those points... but
the set in general with little disagreement. No. Not unless the are
cult-like followers of Stallman.

Think I am wrong - then find the group. I cannot prove no such groups exist,
but I have never seen any. And I bet you cannot find a single counter
example.

Face it: you have to be pretty "out there" to accept those claims -
especially the ones which contradict each other... but also the ones which
are simply absurd. Apple did not and never has patented the rounded
rectangle, nor did they ever suggest they created or owned the shape.

This is demonstrably untrue - but who of the herd is willing to admit this?

[Snit]

On 5/26/13 9:46 AM, in article 201305261...@usenet.drumscum.be, "TomB"
<tommy.b...@gmail.com> wrote:

...

> The patent
> in question has be referred to as such by *a lot* of different
> sources:
>
> https://www.google.be/#gs_rn=14&gs_ri=psy-ab&tok=Ss_ZPbPvyMLfzUZhnjq1WQ&cp=15&
> gs_id=kf&xhr=t&q=apple+rounded+rectangle+patent&es_nrs=true&pf=p&sclient=psy-a
> b&oq=apple+rounded+r&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.47008514,d.d2k&
> fp=747aba6c9e2002e7&biw=1678&bih=917
>
> Being in agreement with this has *nothing* to do with being part of
> some imaginary herd.

At least where I am, the third link on the search:

<http://read.bi/17bMDCR>
-----
Coca-Cola has a patent for its Coke bottle, for example. And Ray Ban
has a patent for its Wayfarer sunglasses.

Does that mean other soda companies can't put drinks in a glass
bottle? Does that mean other eyewear companies can't make sunglasses
with pointed tips at the top of the lenses?

Nope.

And it doesn't mean other tablet manufacturers can't make tablets
with rounded corners for fear of being sued out the nose by Apple.

Apple's newly-minted design patent will only protect it from blatant
copies, according to Florian Mueller, who runs the popular patent
blog Foss Patents.
-----

Given how much Samsung has been blatantly and extremely copying Apple, it
would be *absurd* for Apple to not protect itself from them (and potentially
others). Absolutely absurd.

Apple should be commended for protecting itself at its own expense in a way
that causes no harm to anyone that is not doing wrong.

[GreyCloud]

[Tattoo Vampire]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 16:46:00 +0000 (UTC), TomB
<tommy.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
> And that goes for most of your "points".

The biggest point he has is on top of his head.

--
Sent via my Nexus tablet

[Hadron]

In the same way everyone has figured you to be a weenie that's eager to
please?



--
A certain COLA "advocate" faking his user-agent in order to pretend to be a Linux
user: User-Agent: Outlook 5.5 (WinNT 5.0), User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0
(Linux), Message-ID: <wPGdnd3NnOM...@comcast.com>

[Snit]

On 5/26/13 3:06 PM, in article 9t1u8tp...@news.eternal-september.org,

"Hadron" <hadro...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> writes:
>
>> After swilling some grog, TomB belched this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>> On 2013-05-24, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>
>> Snit is a lying bastard.
>>
>>> That you are a troll? But that's of course not just "the herd" :-p
>>
>> Let him post his k00k material unanswered.
>>
>> Everyone soon figures out that he's a crank.
>>
>
> In the same way everyone has figured you to be a weenie that's eager to
> please?
>
>

Notice Ahlstrom has avoided the actual topic. Which, if any, of the absurd
or baseless beliefs of the herd does he reject (none - at least that he is
willing to say).

* MS has secret deals to stop OEMs from selling Linux pre-installed.

* Apple claims to have invented the "rounded rectangle".

* Desktop Linux serves people as well as the competition.

* Apple never innovated anything.

* Samsung has not been copying Apple's products.

* Apple and MS are struggling / dying companies.

* MS has a monopoly on the desktop.

* Snit is anti-choice (as are others they accuse).
* Snit is anti-Linux (as are others they accuse).

* Snit uses sock puppets (as do others they accuse).

* Stallman's views on kids and sexuality are fine.

* Stallman's doubletalk about "Freedom" is coherent and makes sense.

* MS is evil to have blocked Linux years ago, but Google is fine to
block Aliyun OS *now*.

* When an organization moves to a Linux based product it is always a
good move. When they move away from one it is always a bad move.

* Even though some herd members post membership lists of who is in
the herd, all herd members deny the herd even exists.

* If you recognize there are downsides to massive amounts of distros,
then you must want to be told how to use it and believe everyone
feels the same way.

--
> As for Stallman, he is a repulsive person by any standard of decency.
... standard of decency or hygiene.
-- Lusotec

[Snit]

On 5/26/13 3:04 PM, in article
almarsoft.5112...@news.albasani.net, "Tattoo Vampire"

<sit...@this.computer> wrote:

> On Sun, 26 May 2013 16:46:00 +0000 (UTC), TomB
> <tommy.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> And that goes for most of your "points".
>
> The biggest point he has is on top of his head.

Why don't you say which of the baseless, irrational, contradictory, or
simply stupid claims believed by the herd you are willing to reject:

* MS has secret deals to stop OEMs from selling Linux pre-installed.

* Apple claims to have invented the "rounded rectangle".

* Desktop Linux serves people as well as the competition.

* Apple never innovated anything.

* Samsung has not been copying Apple's products.

* Apple and MS are struggling / dying companies.

* MS has a monopoly on the desktop.

* Snit is anti-choice (as are others they accuse).
* Snit is anti-Linux (as are others they accuse).

* Snit uses sock puppets (as do others they accuse).

* Stallman's views on kids and sexuality are fine.

* Stallman's doubletalk about "Freedom" is coherent and makes sense.

* MS is evil to have blocked Linux years ago, but Google is fine to
block Aliyun OS *now*.

* When an organization moves to a Linux based product it is always a
good move. When they move away from one it is always a bad move.

* Even though some herd members post membership lists of who is in
the herd, all herd members deny the herd even exists.

* If you recognize there are downsides to massive amounts of distros,
then you must want to be told how to use it and believe everyone
feels the same way.

I bet you will not name a single one. Even TomB, who is on the periphery of
the herd in many ways, was not willing to do any serious rejection. And
remember, *none* of the above claims made by the herd is supportable. Not
one. And many are known to be false.

But the herd will not question them. It is very cult-like behavior.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

After swilling some grog, Tattoo Vampire belched this bit o' wisdom:

> On Sun, 26 May 2013 16:46:00 +0000 (UTC), TomB
> <tommy.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> And that goes for most of your "points".
>
> The biggest point he has is on top of his head.

I'd thought about posting that very same witticism.

Great minds and all that :-;

--
Immortality consists largely of boredom.
-- Zefrem Cochrane, "Metamorphosis", stardate 3219.8

[flatfish+++]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 18:04:26 -0400, Tattoo Vampire wrote:

> On Sun, 26 May 2013 16:46:00 +0000 (UTC), TomB
> <tommy.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> And that goes for most of your "points".
>
> The biggest point he has is on top of his head.

How original.

[flatfish+++]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 00:06:39 +0200, Hadron wrote:

> Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> writes:
>
>> After swilling some grog, TomB belched this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>> On 2013-05-24, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>
>> Snit is a lying bastard.
>>
>>> That you are a troll? But that's of course not just "the herd" :-p
>>
>> Let him post his k00k material unanswered.
>>
>> Everyone soon figures out that he's a crank.
>>
>
> In the same way everyone has figured you to be a weenie that's eager to
> please?

Yea.
Lately Chris Ahlstrom has been in hoover mode, acting like a lost
puppy dog who has just found his master.

[flatfish+++]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 15:08:56 -0700, Snit wrote:

> On 5/26/13 3:06 PM, in article 9t1u8tp...@news.eternal-september.org,
> "Hadron" <hadro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> writes:
>>
>>> After swilling some grog, TomB belched this bit o' wisdom:
>>>
>>>> On 2013-05-24, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>>
>>> Snit is a lying bastard.
>>>
>>>> That you are a troll? But that's of course not just "the herd" :-p
>>>
>>> Let him post his k00k material unanswered.
>>>
>>> Everyone soon figures out that he's a crank.
>>>
>>
>> In the same way everyone has figured you to be a weenie that's eager to
>> please?
>>
>>
> Notice Ahlstrom has avoided the actual topic. Which, if any, of the absurd
> or baseless beliefs of the herd does he reject (none - at least that he is
> willing to say).

Chris Ahlstrom is too frightened to actually discuss and debate.
He is afraid that he will say something that might offend the herd
and thus get himself ostracized.

He's a good cult member.
Always following the group.
Rarely of ever thinking on his own.

[flatfish+++]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 05:52:50 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> After swilling some grog, Tattoo Vampire belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> On Sun, 26 May 2013 16:46:00 +0000 (UTC), TomB
>> <tommy.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> And that goes for most of your "points".
>>
>> The biggest point he has is on top of his head.
>
> I'd thought about posting that very same witticism.

Always playing second fiddle, hey Ahlstrom?
The story of your life.
Never a programmer, only a QA person.

[Peter Köhlmann]

flatfish+++ wrote:

> On Sun, 26 May 2013 18:04:26 -0400, Tattoo Vampire wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 26 May 2013 16:46:00 +0000 (UTC), TomB
>> <tommy.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> And that goes for most of your "points".
>>
>> The biggest point he has is on top of his head.
>
> How original.
>

That does not mean that it is wrong. It isn't

[flatfish+++]

Yet you guys sure do seem to have a difficult time refuting those
"points".

[Chris Ahlstrom]

After swilling some grog, Peter Köhlmann belched this bit o' wisdom:

> flatfish+++ wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 26 May 2013 18:04:26 -0400, Tattoo Vampire wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 26 May 2013 16:46:00 +0000 (UTC), TomB
>>> <tommy.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> And that goes for most of your "points".
>>>
>>> The biggest point he has is on top of his head.
>>
>> How original.

How lame. At least Flounder's clever rejoinder isn't a racist statement,
homophobic rant, turd post, "slurp" post, or a smear of Linux or one of
its proponents this time around.

> That does not mean that it is wrong. It isn't

They're all birds-of-a-featherbrain.

--
When you are in the middle of a story it isn't a story at all, but
only a confusion; a dark roaring, a blindness, a wreckage of shattered
glass and splintered wood, like a house in a whirlwind, or else a boat
crushed by the icebergs or swept over the rapids, and all aboard
powerless to stop it. It's only afterwards that it becomes anything
like a story at all. When you are telling it, to yourself or to
someone else.
-- Margaret Atwood, "Alias Grace"

[flatfish+++]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 09:42:06 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> After swilling some grog, Peter K�hlmann belched this bit o' wisdom:

>
>> flatfish+++ wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 26 May 2013 18:04:26 -0400, Tattoo Vampire wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 26 May 2013 16:46:00 +0000 (UTC), TomB
>>>> <tommy.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> And that goes for most of your "points".
>>>>
>>>> The biggest point he has is on top of his head.
>>>
>>> How original.
>
> How lame. At least Flounder's clever rejoinder isn't a racist statement,
> homophobic rant, turd post, "slurp" post, or a smear of Linux or one of
> its proponents this time around.

Sometimes the truth hurts Chris Ahlstrom.
And factual data is even more painful to people like you, Chris
Ahlstrom.

Next time you go house hunting, don't forget to tell the agent you
want to look in all the black neighborhoods because you prefer to be
diverse.

It's not racist to present the facts that have been researched by
legitimate organizations, like the CIA for example.

Of course, people like you know this full well and in fact behave the
same way as people who at least have the honesty to admit the
differences. You just don't have the testicular fortitude to admit it
so you act one way but behave another.

So when are you going to take that midnight stroll through Camden NJ
with the misses? Make sure she is wearing some of that nice jewelry
she has no doubt been spending your money on.

>> That does not mean that it is wrong. It isn't
>
> They're all birds-of-a-featherbrain.

Unlike you Chris Ahlstrom, we are able to think for ourselves.
You don't seem capable of doing that.
Sad.
For you anyway.

[Peter Köhlmann]

flatfish+++ wrote:

> On Mon, 27 May 2013 14:59:19 +0200, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>
>> flatfish+++ wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 26 May 2013 18:04:26 -0400, Tattoo Vampire wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 26 May 2013 16:46:00 +0000 (UTC), TomB
>>>> <tommy.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> And that goes for most of your "points".
>>>>
>>>> The biggest point he has is on top of his head.
>>>
>>> How original.
>>>
>>
>> That does not mean that it is wrong. It isn't
>
> Yet you guys sure do seem to have a difficult time refuting those
> "points".
>
>

You mean "refuting" them for the gazillions time?
Have you seen him addressing the posts which answered *and* *refuted* his
cretnious shite? Just once?

All he ever does is snipping anything and then starting a flurry of posts
which have nothing to do with the subject at hand.
Which is why he is killfiled by almost anyone

[flatfish+++]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 17:24:59 +0200, Peter K�hlmann wrote:

> flatfish+++ wrote:
>

I see him posting a series of questions that you FOSSies cannot
answer.
He's not right about everything, but neither are you FOSSies.

And your arguments against his points are lame at best.

[Snit]

On 5/27/13 5:46 AM, in article kgnjt35bw1ze.1c...@40tude.net,

"flatfish+++" <phlat...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 26 May 2013 15:08:56 -0700, Snit wrote:
>
>> On 5/26/13 3:06 PM, in article 9t1u8tp...@news.eternal-september.org,
>> "Hadron" <hadro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> writes:
>>>
>>>> After swilling some grog, TomB belched this bit o' wisdom:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2013-05-24, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>>>
>>>> Snit is a lying bastard.
>>>>
>>>>> That you are a troll? But that's of course not just "the herd" :-p
>>>>
>>>> Let him post his k00k material unanswered.
>>>>
>>>> Everyone soon figures out that he's a crank.
>>>>
>>>
>>> In the same way everyone has figured you to be a weenie that's eager to
>>> please?
>>>
>>>
>> Notice Ahlstrom has avoided the actual topic. Which, if any, of the absurd
>> or baseless beliefs of the herd does he reject (none - at least that he is
>> willing to say).
>
> Chris Ahlstrom is too frightened to actually discuss and debate.

Absolutely correct.

> He is afraid that he will say something that might offend the herd
> and thus get himself ostracized.

And with that happening to others his fear has only grown.

> He's a good cult member.
> Always following the group.
> Rarely of ever thinking on his own.

Yup.



--
"Maybe it wouldn't be quite as good, but we would all be okay."
- Richard Stallman, speaking about if his ideas were followed

[Snit]

On 5/27/13 5:42 AM, in article 61ezyx7y387c.tgpf2krz8y6q$.d...@40tude.net,

"flatfish+++" <phlat...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 27 May 2013 00:06:39 +0200, Hadron wrote:
>
>> Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> writes:
>>
>>> After swilling some grog, TomB belched this bit o' wisdom:
>>>
>>>> On 2013-05-24, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>>
>>> Snit is a lying bastard.
>>>
>>>> That you are a troll? But that's of course not just "the herd" :-p
>>>
>>> Let him post his k00k material unanswered.
>>>
>>> Everyone soon figures out that he's a crank.
>>>
>>
>> In the same way everyone has figured you to be a weenie that's eager to
>> please?
>
> Yea.
> Lately Chris Ahlstrom has been in hoover mode, acting like a lost
> puppy dog who has just found his master.

Marti has been ostracized... this creates fear for him. And yet he talks
about his "thick skin" as if he is not concerned what others think of him:
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/GGroup/oops/irony.jpg>

So very, very funny.


--
"Maybe there is someone who considers it disgusting for a parrot to have sex
with a human. Or for a dolphin or tiger to have sex with a human. So what?
Others feel that all sex is disgusting." -- Richard Stallman

[Snit]

On 5/27/13 8:59 AM, in article vlcows79mn8s.a...@40tude.net,

If Peter *really* believed my claims had been refuted he would point to or
quote the refutations. He *never* does.

[Snit]

On 5/27/13 8:24 AM, in article knvtkb$j9j$2...@dont-email.me, "Peter K�hlmann"
<peter-k...@t-online.de> wrote:

> flatfish+++ wrote:

You demand people give message IDs to prove their claims.

So where is your message ID? Link? Quote?

You have nothing... because you know I am right. But, hey, prove me wrong
and say which you disagree with:

* MS has secret deals to stop OEMs from selling Linux pre-installed.

* Apple claims to have invented the "rounded rectangle".

* Desktop Linux serves people as well as the competition.
* Apple never innovated anything.
* Samsung has not been copying Apple's products.
* Apple and MS are struggling / dying companies.
* MS has a monopoly on the desktop.
* Snit is anti-choice (as are others they accuse).
* Snit is anti-Linux (as are others they accuse).
* Snit uses sock puppets (as do others they accuse).
* Stallman's views on kids and sexuality are fine.
* Stallman's doubletalk about "Freedom" is coherent and makes sense.
* MS is evil to have blocked Linux years ago, but Google is fine to
block Aliyun OS *now*.
* When an organization moves to a Linux based product it is always a
good move. When they move away from one it is always a bad move.
* Even though some herd members post membership lists of who is in
the herd, all herd members deny the herd even exists.
* If you recognize there are downsides to massive amounts of distros,
then you must want to be told how to use it and believe everyone
feels the same way.

Face it, you *never* will. Never, Peter... not in a million years.




--
"There are 'extremists' in the free software world, but that's one major
reason why I don't call what I do 'free software' any more. I don't want to
be associated with the people for whom it's about exclusion and hatred."
-- Linus Torvalds

[Peter Köhlmann]

flatfish+++ wrote:

> On Mon, 27 May 2013 17:24:59 +0200, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>
>> flatfish+++ wrote:
>>

>>> On Mon, 27 May 2013 14:59:19 +0200, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>
>>>> flatfish+++ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 26 May 2013 18:04:26 -0400, Tattoo Vampire wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 26 May 2013 16:46:00 +0000 (UTC), TomB
>>>>>> <tommy.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> And that goes for most of your "points".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The biggest point he has is on top of his head.
>>>>>
>>>>> How original.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That does not mean that it is wrong. It isn't
>>>
>>> Yet you guys sure do seem to have a difficult time refuting those
>>> "points".
>>>
>>>
>> You mean "refuting" them for the gazillions time?
>> Have you seen him addressing the posts which answered *and* *refuted* his
>> cretnious shite? Just once?
>>
>> All he ever does is snipping anything and then starting a flurry of posts
>> which have nothing to do with the subject at hand.
>> Which is why he is killfiled by almost anyone
>
> I see him posting a series of questions that you FOSSies cannot
> answer.

You can't "answer" anything you don't even see.
That libellous cretin is killfiled by most

> He's not right about everything,

He is wrong about almost anything

> but neither are you FOSSies.

Nobody is always right

> And your arguments against his points are lame at best.

They are spot on, and you know it

[Snit]

On 5/27/13 6:51 AM, in article ekvj1g0gcj36$.1mebv95o...@40tude.net,

"flatfish+++" <phlat...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 27 May 2013 09:42:06 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> After swilling some grog, Peter K�hlmann belched this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>> flatfish+++ wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 26 May 2013 18:04:26 -0400, Tattoo Vampire wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 26 May 2013 16:46:00 +0000 (UTC), TomB
>>>>> <tommy.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> And that goes for most of your "points".
>>>>>
>>>>> The biggest point he has is on top of his head.
>>>>
>>>> How original.
>>
>> How lame. At least Flounder's clever rejoinder isn't a racist statement,
>> homophobic rant, turd post, "slurp" post, or a smear of Linux or one of
>> its proponents this time around.
>
> Sometimes the truth hurts Chris Ahlstrom.
> And factual data is even more painful to people like you, Chris
> Ahlstrom.
>
> Next time you go house hunting, don't forget to tell the agent you
> want to look in all the black neighborhoods because you prefer to be
> diverse.

My neighborhood has people who are white (German, Italian, English... who
knows what else), Hispanic (Mexican), Black, Oriental (Chinese), and around
the corner a Middle Eastern family... which is, now that I think of it,
rather amazing considering I live in a smallish town which is mostly white
with a fair amount of Hispanics but not much else. And there is certainly a
lot of racism in the town... to the point where one of the local politicians
with a radio show spoke on his show about how a "black" kid on a mosaic on a
school did not represent the town and should not be there (the kid was
actually of Mexican heritage... so he was not even right about *that*!)

<http://bit.ly/12cG5CC>

More about it on the related stories links after the main story.

> It's not racist to present the facts that have been researched by
> legitimate organizations, like the CIA for example.
>
> Of course, people like you know this full well and in fact behave the
> same way as people who at least have the honesty to admit the
> differences. You just don't have the testicular fortitude to admit it
> so you act one way but behave another.

What are you claiming the facts are? That African Americans all too often
commit violent acts and do not value education. This is true... but there
are historic reasons which are not tried to race. And there are, of course,
examples of many brilliant black people (Obama - even if you disagree with
his politics it is hard to say he is not a bright guy; Neil deGrasse Tyson;
Martin Luther King, Jr.; etc.). And that is without doing any research...
nor of being able to think of any black women to add to the group. I mean
Rosa Parks is certainly an important historic figure, but not sure what she
did would be considered a sign of being brilliant... daring and important -
no doubt. But brilliant... cannot say it was.

> So when are you going to take that midnight stroll through Camden NJ
> with the misses? Make sure she is wearing some of that nice jewelry
> she has no doubt been spending your money on.

When I was in my 20s I walked through Harlem at night with a 50 lb backpack
looking for a youth hostel ... and was treated with nothing but kindness
from the primarily black and poor population. Similar things in Oakland,
places in Chicago, etc. Did have one guy in Harlem walk up to me and the
friend I was walking with and say "Not sure if you guys know this, but you
are white!". He then walked us to the youth hostel we were looking for,
letting us know we would be safer with him. He turned down the couple bucks
we offered him for his kindness.

>>> That does not mean that it is wrong. It isn't
>>
>> They're all birds-of-a-featherbrain.
>
> Unlike you Chris Ahlstrom, we are able to think for ourselves.
> You don't seem capable of doing that.
> Sad.
> For you anyway.
>
>



--

"But I have never, ever even run a Linux server and I don't even want
to; it's not what I'm interested in. I'm more of a desktop guy."
-- Linus Torvalds

[GreyCloud]

Your blind. Keep waving your linux pom-poms.

[GreyCloud]

Now that is funny coming from someone that thinks he is always right.
LOL!!!

[GreyCloud]

[Gregory Shearman]

On 2013-05-27, Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> wrote:
> After swilling some grog, Tattoo Vampire belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> On Sun, 26 May 2013 16:46:00 +0000 (UTC), TomB
>> <tommy.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> And that goes for most of your "points".
>>
>> The biggest point he has is on top of his head.
>
> I'd thought about posting that very same witticism.
>
> Great minds and all that :-;

Why is it that we never see you and Tatts posting at the same time?

I think you're both the same person.

--
Regards,
bbgruff.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power

[Chris Ahlstrom]

After swilling some grog, Peter Köhlmann belched this bit o' wisdom:

> flatfish+++ wrote:
>
>> <multiple mewlings snipped>

>
> They are spot on, and you know it

Poor Flounder... reduced to me-too'ing one of the worst trolls in Usenet.

Even worse than Flounder, at this point.

--
Come, landlord, fill the flowing bowl until it does run over,
Tonight we will all merry be -- tomorrow we'll get sober.
-- John Fletcher, "The Bloody Brother", II, 2

[Chris Ahlstrom]

After swilling some grog, Gregory Shearman belched this bit o' wisdom:

I'm not as mordant as Tatt.

--
Asking a working writer what he thinks about critics is like asking a
lamp-post how it feels about dogs.
-- Christopher Hampton

[Peter Köhlmann]

Don't tell Hadron Snit Larry. He will "analize" Msg-IDs at once

[flatfish+++]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 18:33:59 +0200, Peter K�hlmann wrote:

> flatfish+++ wrote:
>

>> On Mon, 27 May 2013 17:24:59 +0200, Peter K�hlmann wrote:
>>
>>> flatfish+++ wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 27 May 2013 14:59:19 +0200, Peter K�hlmann wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> flatfish+++ wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 26 May 2013 18:04:26 -0400, Tattoo Vampire wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 26 May 2013 16:46:00 +0000 (UTC), TomB
>>>>>>> <tommy.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> And that goes for most of your "points".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The biggest point he has is on top of his head.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How original.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That does not mean that it is wrong. It isn't
>>>>
>>>> Yet you guys sure do seem to have a difficult time refuting those
>>>> "points".
>>>>
>>>>
>>> You mean "refuting" them for the gazillions time?
>>> Have you seen him addressing the posts which answered *and* *refuted* his
>>> cretnious shite? Just once?
>>>
>>> All he ever does is snipping anything and then starting a flurry of posts
>>> which have nothing to do with the subject at hand.
>>> Which is why he is killfiled by almost anyone
>>
>> I see him posting a series of questions that you FOSSies cannot
>> answer.
>
> You can't "answer" anything you don't even see.
> That libellous cretin is killfiled by most

So then how do you know what he is saying?
You specifically described his behavior. So have the others.

More lies from the FOSSies.

[flatfish+++]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 17:51:23 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> After swilling some grog, Peter K�hlmann belched this bit o' wisdom:

>
>> flatfish+++ wrote:
>>
>>> <multiple mewlings snipped>
>>
>> They are spot on, and you know it
>
> Poor Flounder... reduced to me-too'ing one of the worst trolls in Usenet.
>
> Even worse than Flounder, at this point.

Yawn.....
You saying something means absolutely zero.

The fact that you feel the need to start new threads with my nym in
them speaks volumes of how you feel threatened by what I am saying.

Sorry Ahlstrom but the facts are clear.
Android is a malware magnet and you can find plenty of evidence to
substantiate that claim.

Grow a set Chris because in your current state you are pathetic
excuse for a man. I'm sure you hear that a lot.

[Peter Köhlmann]

flatfish+++ wrote:

> On Mon, 27 May 2013 18:33:59 +0200, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>
>> flatfish+++ wrote:
>>

Has anyone ever explained to you the concept of "quoting"? No?

> More lies from the FOSSies.
>

Way to much shite quoted from that imbecile Snit Michael Glasser

[Snit]

On 5/27/13 3:32 PM, in article 5f6y95i8omzt.1xtby7ggffagz$.d...@40tude.net,

"flatfish+++" <phlat...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>>> You mean "refuting" them for the gazillions time?
>>>> Have you seen him addressing the posts which answered *and* *refuted* his
>>>> cretnious shite? Just once?
>>>>
>>>> All he ever does is snipping anything and then starting a flurry of posts
>>>> which have nothing to do with the subject at hand.
>>>> Which is why he is killfiled by almost anyone
>>>
>>> I see him posting a series of questions that you FOSSies cannot
>>> answer.
>>
>> You can't "answer" anything you don't even see.
>> That libellous cretin is killfiled by most
>
> So then how do you know what he is saying?
> You specifically described his behavior. So have the others.
>
> More lies from the FOSSies.

Right... another herd fiction: the people they have kill filtered they know
are lying.

Huh? How does that work? It is not as if they can quote lies from me (or
others they claim to KF) and say they know the pattern. Ask Peter to quote
*any* lie from me. Any. With support that it is an actual lie.

He will fail. He knows this. The herd knows this. Everyone knows this.

But Peter will never admit to it.


--
"It is often hard to persuade the developers of one component to do what
improves the system as a whole rather than what will make their own
component more useful and successful." -- Richard Stallman

[Snit]

On 5/27/13 3:39 PM, in article 196h1fpf9mggx.2dcfdhwakvrg$.d...@40tude.net,

"flatfish+++" <phlat...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 27 May 2013 17:51:23 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> After swilling some grog, Peter K�hlmann belched this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>> flatfish+++ wrote:
>>>
>>>> <multiple mewlings snipped>
>>>
>>> They are spot on, and you know it
>>
>> Poor Flounder... reduced to me-too'ing one of the worst trolls in Usenet.
>>
>> Even worse than Flounder, at this point.
>
> Yawn.....
> You saying something means absolutely zero.
>
> The fact that you feel the need to start new threads with my nym in
> them speaks volumes of how you feel threatened by what I am saying.
>
> Sorry Ahlstrom but the facts are clear.
> Android is a malware magnet and you can find plenty of evidence to
> substantiate that claim.
>
> Grow a set Chris because in your current state you are pathetic
> excuse for a man. I'm sure you hear that a lot.

I think we have a new point for the list of things the herd believes. Bottom
bullet point is new:

* MS has secret deals to stop OEMs from selling Linux pre-installed.
* Apple claims to have invented the "rounded rectangle".
* Desktop Linux serves people as well as the competition.
* Apple never innovated anything.
* Samsung has not been copying Apple's products.
* Apple and MS are struggling / dying companies.
* MS has a monopoly on the desktop.
* Snit is anti-choice (as are others they accuse).
* Snit is anti-Linux (as are others they accuse).
* Snit uses sock puppets (as do others they accuse).
* Stallman's views on kids and sexuality are fine.
* Stallman's doubletalk about "Freedom" is coherent and makes sense.
* MS is evil to have blocked Linux years ago, but Google is fine to
block Aliyun OS *now*.
* When an organization moves to a Linux based product it is always a
good move. When they move away from one it is always a bad move.
* Even though some herd members post membership lists of who is in
the herd, all herd members deny the herd even exists.
* If you recognize there are downsides to massive amounts of distros,
then you must want to be told how to use it and believe everyone
feels the same way.

* You must deny that Android has joined Windows as an OS where user
are at a significant risk of getting malware. Often tied to a
baseless claim that iOS and OS X users are at equal risk to
Android users.

How many more absurd things do the herd believe?

Will repost the "You might be a herd member if" post with the added point...
just to have a single, focused post to point to.




--
"When making pornography involves real abuse of real children ... that does
not excuse censorship. No matter how disgusting published works might be,
censorship is more disgusting." -- Richard Stallman

[Snit]

A list of irrational / unsupportable beliefs the herd members hold to or, at
best, refuse to denounce:

While there have been some of those points which have been questions by some
of the COLA "advocates", the level of agreement on these irrational and
unsupportable claims is very high. Group consensus is not what determines
truth or who is right or wrong... people's own actions show if they can back
their claims. And when a whole group make the *same* fairly large set of
irrational claims they are showing themselves to be herd-like or
cult-like... or at best just completely irrational and followers of each
other (some, of course, being more prone to following than others).

What other irrational / unsupportable beliefs do the herd accept with little
or no dissent?


--
Proof Mark Bilk's http://cosmicpenguin.com/911/ is nothing but silly
fiction: <http://bit.ly/12GULa6>
Using Bilk's own "logic" he posts his lies because the Underground
Marshmallow People pay him to.

[Snit]

On 5/27/13 3:50 PM, in article ko0nn3$dsc$1...@dont-email.me, "Peter K�hlmann"

<peter-k...@t-online.de> wrote:

>>>> I see him posting a series of questions that you FOSSies cannot
>>>> answer.
>>>
>>> You can't "answer" anything you don't even see.
>>> That libellous cretin is killfiled by most
>>
>> So then how do you know what he is saying?
>> You specifically described his behavior. So have the others.
>
> Has anyone ever explained to you the concept of "quoting"? No?

7 repeatedly misattributes... RonB makes up claims of what I have said...
etc.

Given how your fellow herd members are habitual liars, you cannot trust them
to quote me correctly or to be attributing quotes honestly. And, in any
case, if you really did believe I was a liar you would be *quoting* these
lies.

You do not.

You cannot.

No reason to think even you believe your accusations. You post to sooth your
wounded ego and please the herd.

>> More lies from the FOSSies.
>
> Way to much shite quoted from that imbecile Snit Michael Glasser

From whom? Most of your fellow herd members run from me almost as fast as
you do. Come on, Peter - prove your point and quote these "lies".

But you, I, and everyone in COLA knows you will not.

Knows.

The fact you are full of it is just accepted.


--
"It is absurd to punish anyone for having sex with someone of age 15 � it is
normal for Americans of age 15 to have sex." -- Richard Stallman

[flatfish+++]

On Tue, 28 May 2013 00:50:11 +0200, Peter K�hlmann wrote:

> flatfish+++ wrote:
>

Of course I know what quoting is.
It doesn't matter where you read it, you read it and you guys talk
about it. In fact you talk about trolls in your G+ group as well. You
know, the groups ya'll started to get away from trolls in the first
place. So your kill files are useless if you keep discussing them and
what those in those files are saying.

In that regards none of you are any better than empty suit William
Poaster and his magic filters.

[Snit]

On 5/27/13 4:21 PM, in article 1lfiy2r6er9zr.esb7pgmi51d3$.d...@40tude.net,

"flatfish+++" <phlat...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>> So then how do you know what he is saying?
>>> You specifically described his behavior. So have the others.
>>
>> Has anyone ever explained to you the concept of "quoting"? No?
>
> Of course I know what quoting is.

Peter thinks this is an advanced concept. At his level perhaps it is.

> It doesn't matter where you read it, you read it and you guys talk
> about it. In fact you talk about trolls in your G+ group as well. You
> know, the groups ya'll started to get away from trolls in the first
> place. So your kill files are useless if you keep discussing them and
> what those in those files are saying.

Bottom line is if they claim to KF us then they do not know if we are lying,
telling the truth, or what we are doing. And since their own herd buddies
misquote and misattribute if they are basing their views on people on that
then they are accepting the lies of their own group.

And if he *really* believed I was lying he would be quoting these lies.

Peter makes accusations to deflect from his own dishonesty and ignorance.

> In that regards none of you are any better than empty suit William
> Poaster and his magic filters.



--

[GreyCloud]

[Gregory Shearman]

On 2013-05-27, Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> wrote:
> After swilling some grog, Gregory Shearman belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> On 2013-05-27, Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>> After swilling some grog, Tattoo Vampire belched this bit o' wisdom:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 26 May 2013 16:46:00 +0000 (UTC), TomB
>>>> <tommy.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> And that goes for most of your "points".
>>>>
>>>> The biggest point he has is on top of his head.
>>>
>>> I'd thought about posting that very same witticism.
>>>
>>> Great minds and all that :-;
>>
>> Why is it that we never see you and Tatts posting at the same time?
>>
>> I think you're both the same person.
>
> I'm not as mordant as Tatt.

Likely story...

[Tattoo Vampire]

Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> wrote:

>> Why is it that we never see you and Tatts posting at the same time?
>>
>> I think you're both the same person.
>
> I'm not as mordant as Tatt.

A likely story...

[William Poaster]

Peter Kļæ½hlmann wrote:

> flatfish+++ wrote:
>

We pretty much know what Glasser's saying, because he repeates the same old
crap, over & over & over..

>> More lies from the FOSSies.
>>
>
> Way to much shite quoted from that imbecile Snit Michael Glasser

Absolutely.

--
1f u c4n r34d th1s u r34lly n33d t0 g37 l41d

Linux is the scientific communityļæ½s operating system of choice.
CERNļæ½s Large Hadron Collider is controlled by Linux.
NASA and SpaceX ground stations use Linux.
DNA-sequencing lab technicians use Linux.
Really, for applications that require absolute stability,
which most scientific experiments are, Linux is the obvious choice.
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[Chris Ahlstrom]

After swilling some grog, Tattoo Vampire belched this bit o' wisdom:

It's true, though. *I* don't wish "he" would "blow his brains out".
I'm not sure "he" has any! I think a case of extreme colliquative necrosis
would be more appropriate.

:-D

--
"Hi, I'm Preston A. Mantis, president of Consumers Retail Law Outlet. As you
can see by my suit and the fact that I have all these books of equal height
on the shelves behind me, I am a trained legal attorney. Do you have a car
or a job? Do you ever walk around? If so, you probably have the makings of
an excellent legal case. Although of course every case is different, I
would definitely say that based on my experience and training, there's no
reason why you shouldn't come out of this thing with at least a cabin
cruiser.

"Remember, at the Preston A. Mantis Consumers Retail Law Outlet, our motto
is: 'It is very difficult to disprove certain kinds of pain.'"
-- Dave Barry, "Pain and Suffering"

[flatfish+++]

On Tue, 28 May 2013 06:20:10 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> After swilling some grog, Tattoo Vampire belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>
>>>> Why is it that we never see you and Tatts posting at the same time?
>>>>
>>>> I think you're both the same person.
>>>
>>> I'm not as mordant as Tatt.
>>
>> A likely story...
>
> It's true, though. *I* don't wish "he" would "blow his brains out".
> I'm not sure "he" has any! I think a case of extreme colliquative necrosis
> would be more appropriate.
>
> :-D

What a weenie....

[Snit]

On 5/27/13 4:17 PM, in article
n56d7a-...@user-1842.linux.individual.net, "William Poaster"

<w...@induh-vidual.net> wrote:

>>> So then how do you know what he is saying?
>>> You specifically described his behavior. So have the others.
>>
>> Has anyone ever explained to you the concept of "quoting"? No?
>
> We pretty much know what Glasser's saying, because he repeates the same old
> crap, over & over & over..

How would you know if you *really* had me in a KF?

You would not.

By the way, the "crap" I repeated over and over a few years ago about PCLOS
and some other distros has been shown to be correct - it is largely fixed
now. The one mistake I made was to underestimate how quickly many of the
things would be fixed.

Your herd insisted the problems were of no significance at all. Then why
were so many fixed?

None of you can answer that.

>>> More lies from the FOSSies.
>>>
>>
>> Way to much shite quoted from that imbecile Snit Michael Glasser
>
> Absolutely.

See: attacks against a person... avoiding talking about technology.

It is what the herd does.

--
"I started Linux as a desktop operating system. And it's the only area
where Linux hasn't completely taken over. That just annoys the hell out
of me." -- Linus Torvalds

[JEDIDIAH]

On 2013-05-25, TomB <tommy.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2013-05-24, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:

>> A list of irrational / unsupportable beliefs the herd members hold to or, at
>> best, refuse to denounce:

[deletia]

>> * Desktop Linux serves people as well as the competition.
>

> I think it often does. It might serve some even *better*! How about
> that?!

The main advantage of WinDOS has always been running particular
name branded applications to the exclusion of all else and doing so
even when there are perfectly suitable alternatives.

>
>> * Apple never innovated anything.
>

> Depends on what you call "innovation". If it means coming up with
> something that has never been done before, then no. If it means to
> come up with stuff that's taking a completely different spin on stuff
> that existed in some other form before, than yes.
>
> In any case, Apple definitely knows how to market stuff.

>
>> * Samsung has not been copying Apple's products.

They have. So what? Anything less would lead to a gravely compromised
degree of innovation. If no one could build on the little tweaks that other
people come up with, the rate of change in tech would come to a screeching
halt.

>
> They haven't. Some Samsung products are however clearly inspired by
> some Apple products. But copies? No.

>
>> * Apple and MS are struggling / dying companies.
>

> At least Microsoft is facing a big challenge with the changing
> computing landscape, but I wouldn't call them "dying" or "struggling".
> Yet.

Microsoft isn't the bogey man they once seemed to be.

Apple seems much more dangerous now as the wannabe MS-DOS vendor du jour.

>
>> * MS has a monopoly on the desktop.
>

> They do.

[deletia]

--
"If I give you a pfennig, you will be one pfennig richer and
I'll be one pfennig poorer. But if I give you an idea, you will |||
have a new idea, but I shall still have it, too." / | \
~ Albert Einstein

[Snit]

On 5/28/13 1:43 PM, in article slrnkqa5n...@nomad.mishnet, "JEDIDIAH"

<je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote:

> On 2013-05-25, TomB <tommy.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2013-05-24, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>> A list of irrational / unsupportable beliefs the herd members hold to or, at
>>> best, refuse to denounce:
>
> [deletia]
>
>>> * Desktop Linux serves people as well as the competition.
>>
>> I think it often does. It might serve some even *better*! How about
>> that?!
>
> The main advantage of WinDOS has always been running particular name branded
> applications to the exclusion of all else and doing so even when there are
> perfectly suitable alternatives.

The fact you use the term "WinDOS" shows a bias and ignorance. Windows has
not been DOS based in a very long time. As far as applications - sure, that
is *one* huge advantage Windows has over desktop Linux. Also, in some areas,
such as niche medical programs, quilting programs, etc. it has this
advantage over OS X as well.

>>> * Apple never innovated anything.
>>
>> Depends on what you call "innovation". If it means coming up with
>> something that has never been done before, then no. If it means to
>> come up with stuff that's taking a completely different spin on stuff
>> that existed in some other form before, than yes.
>>
>> In any case, Apple definitely knows how to market stuff.
>>
>>> * Samsung has not been copying Apple's products.
>
> They have. So what? Anything less would lead to a gravely compromised degree
> of innovation. If no one could build on the little tweaks that other people
> come up with, the rate of change in tech would come to a screeching halt.

Apple massively changed multiple industries - not with little tweaks but
with truly innovative products. Samsung then ripped off Apple's designs...
which is "competing" unfairly given how Apple is the one who worked and
researched and developed these designs. I get learning from your
competition... but the excusing of outright copying (without permission) is
something even children know is not right.

>> They haven't. Some Samsung products are however clearly inspired by
>> some Apple products. But copies? No.
>>
>>> * Apple and MS are struggling / dying companies.
>>
>> At least Microsoft is facing a big challenge with the changing
>> computing landscape, but I wouldn't call them "dying" or "struggling".
>> Yet.
>
> Microsoft isn't the bogey man they once seemed to be.

LOL! When I note how the herd seems them as the boogieman I am told I am
trolling. Funny!

> Apple seems much more dangerous now as the wannabe MS-DOS vendor du jour.

Google is the new Microsoft. Apple has never had a majority share in any
market except the tablet market... and even that is going away (maybe
already has). They do not keep others out of markets the way MS and Google
do.

>>> * MS has a monopoly on the desktop.
>>
>> They do.
>
> [deletia]

Would love to see you respond to each point. How herd-like is your thinking?
It is an interesting test.


--
"90% of computers use Microsoft's Windows ... Macs account for 9% of the
market while the open source system Linux accounts for 0.8%."
-- Linus Torvalds

[GreyCloud]

On 5/28/2013 2:43 PM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
> On 2013-05-25, TomB <tommy.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2013-05-24, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>> A list of irrational / unsupportable beliefs the herd members hold to or, at
>>> best, refuse to denounce:
>
> [deletia]
>
>>> * Desktop Linux serves people as well as the competition.
>>
>> I think it often does. It might serve some even *better*! How about
>> that?!
>
> The main advantage of WinDOS has always been running particular
> name branded applications to the exclusion of all else and doing so
> even when there are perfectly suitable alternatives.
>

Sometimes there aren't any suitable alternatives.

>>
>>> * Apple never innovated anything.
>>
>> Depends on what you call "innovation". If it means coming up with
>> something that has never been done before, then no. If it means to
>> come up with stuff that's taking a completely different spin on stuff
>> that existed in some other form before, than yes.
>>
>> In any case, Apple definitely knows how to market stuff.
>>
>>> * Samsung has not been copying Apple's products.
>
> They have. So what? Anything less would lead to a gravely compromised
> degree of innovation. If no one could build on the little tweaks that other
> people come up with, the rate of change in tech would come to a screeching
> halt.
>

Maybe. There are a lot of new technology that hasn't left a few labs
yet. Once released, then people will be doing the same thing again...
tweaking and improving.

>>
>> They haven't. Some Samsung products are however clearly inspired by
>> some Apple products. But copies? No.
>>
>>> * Apple and MS are struggling / dying companies.
>>
>> At least Microsoft is facing a big challenge with the changing
>> computing landscape, but I wouldn't call them "dying" or "struggling".
>> Yet.
>
> Microsoft isn't the bogey man they once seemed to be.
>
> Apple seems much more dangerous now as the wannabe MS-DOS vendor du jour.
>

Not really. In a few instances they have overlooked or misdirected
their necessary research, which slows them down or make some people just
leave.

[Snit]

On 5/28/13 4:28 PM, in article VNGdnSHqKZIIoDjM...@bresnan.com,

"GreyCloud" <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:

> On 5/28/2013 2:43 PM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>> On 2013-05-25, TomB <tommy.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 2013-05-24, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>>> A list of irrational / unsupportable beliefs the herd members hold to or,
>>>> at
>>>> best, refuse to denounce:
>>
>> [deletia]
>>
>>>> * Desktop Linux serves people as well as the competition.
>>>>
>>> I think it often does. It might serve some even *better*! How about that?!
>>>
>> The main advantage of WinDOS has always been running particular name branded
>> applications to the exclusion of all else and doing so even when there are
>> perfectly suitable alternatives.
>
> Sometimes there aren't any suitable alternatives.

Often. This is the case for many uses of common software:

* MS Office: LibreOffice is great, but it is often not a good enough
alternative (though sometimes it is, depends on the needs).

* Photoshop: GIMP is excellent (a couple of days ago I showed a video of it
being used - I am clearly a fan of it). It even does some things better than
Photoshop (working with favicons, an insane oversight in a product sold as
part of a web development suite). But overall there are just so many ways
Photoshop is ahead of of GIMP it is just amazing. GIMP is years behind
overall.

And then there are the common "niche" products used by people and companies:
software to run schools, to run dentist or chiropractic offices, etc.
Software for quilting enthusiasts. Software for screencasting (a growing
field where desktop Linux is grossly behind). Pro / semi-pro level audio and
video (from what I understand). On and on and on.

Even the "basics" such as email and the like are often not handled as well
as they are on the competition, especially when you take into account how
other systems work more as systems than does desktop Linux (even with MS
working hard to break that with Windows 8).

>>>> * Apple never innovated anything.
>>>
>>> Depends on what you call "innovation". If it means coming up with something
>>> that has never been done before, then no. If it means to come up with stuff
>>> that's taking a completely different spin on stuff that existed in some
>>> other form before, than yes.
>>>
>>> In any case, Apple definitely knows how to market stuff.
>>>
>>>> * Samsung has not been copying Apple's products.
>>>>
>> They have. So what? Anything less would lead to a gravely compromised degree
>> of innovation. If no one could build on the little tweaks that other people
>> come up with, the rate of change in tech would come to a screeching halt.
>
> Maybe. There are a lot of new technology that hasn't left a few labs yet.
> Once released, then people will be doing the same thing again... tweaking and
> improving.

And innovation for full products is far more than about just making one new
technology... it is about understanding how users work with products and
making decisions on what to put in, what to leave out, how to package it in
a product with a "solid" feel, etc. Apple does this very, very well and puts
a lot of time, thought, energy, and money into it. When others come along
and take these ideas without putting those costs into it they are "cheating"
- damaging competition and innovation.

This does not mean that a company should be able to hold onto their IP
rights for eternity, nor that the IP rules are not heavily broken, but it is
beyond any doubt that Samsung is (or at least was) just copying Apple as
much as they could - in effect stealing from Apple. Such actions are
inexcusable.

>>> They haven't. Some Samsung products are however clearly inspired by some
>>> Apple products. But copies? No.
>>>
>>>> * Apple and MS are struggling / dying companies.
>>>>
>>> At least Microsoft is facing a big challenge with the changing computing
>>> landscape, but I wouldn't call them "dying" or "struggling". Yet.
>>>
>> Microsoft isn't the bogey man they once seemed to be.
>>
>> Apple seems much more dangerous now as the wannabe MS-DOS vendor du jour.
>
> Not really. In a few instances they have overlooked or misdirected their
> necessary research, which slows them down or make some people just leave.

Apple takes risks... and over the last few years they have run into some
significant challenges in their management. Hopefully they can come back
from the challenges as strong as they were.



--
"Maybe there is someone who considers it disgusting for a parrot to have sex
with a human. Or for a dolphin or tiger to have sex with a human. So what?
Others feel that all sex is disgusting." -- Richard Stallman

[spi...@freenet.co.uk]

And verily, didst -hh <recscub...@huntzinger.com> hastily babble thusly:

>> Depends on what you call "innovation". If it means coming up with
>> something that has never been done before, then no. If it means to
>> come up with stuff that's taking a completely different spin on stuff
>> that existed in some other form before, than yes.
>

> It is up to the professionals at the USPO to decide...particularly
> since a Patent is effectively by definition "something that's not been
> done before."

Professionals? USPO? You're kidding right?
Unless you mean the absolutely most general definition of professional
meaning they get paid to do the job. But professional as in a professional
mature considered approach?

They allowed thousands of patents through that just added "with a computer"
or "on the internet" to a thing that's been done for thousands of years.

They are SUPPOSED to filter such guff out because it's obvious.

>> In any case, Apple definitely knows how to market stuff.
>>
>> > * Samsung has not been copying Apple's products.
>>

>> They haven't. Some Samsung products are however clearly inspired by
>> some Apple products. But copies? No.
>

> Depends on what you call "copy".

Well, even if you use it as in "ooo look at what xerox parc did! Let's do
that on a cheap computer" then why is that wrong?

Oh of course...

When apple does it to someone else it's fine, but heaven forbid anyone else
do the same to apple.

> YMMV. MS is definitely IMO in decline and I'd also at least call them
> "struggling" too.

Well, they seem to be in the middle of a suicide pact right now.
Trying to foist their lame windows 8 bollocks on everyone.
What happened to their marketting department? They used to be good at it.
Not they just seem to want to ignore public opinion and do whatever they
want and to hell with the consequences.

>> > * Stallman's views on kids and sexuality are fine.
>>

>> Considering the generally accepted norms, they are controversial.
>> All the rest is opinion.
>
> Nothing to do with the topic, really. Is present here tangentially
> because Michael doesn't understand Set Theory in Mathematics.

Surprised he didn't bring up the subject of reiserfs's creator either.
So he could insinuate that as one linux developer is a murderer, all linux
developers are murderers... That was a game the wintrolls played back when
it was topical.

>> > * MS is evil to have blocked Linux years ago, but Google is fine to
>> >   block Aliyun OS *now*.
>>

>> Very different situations.
>
> Both were done to advance the self interests of those corporations
> alone...no difference in principles, just in implementation.

There was one.
Microsoft had nothing at all to do with linux (apart from it being seen as a
rival). Aliyun is a fork of Android. Google didn't try to ban aliyun did
they? They just blocked them from accessing THEIR app stores and services.

That's entirely up to them who has access to their services.

VERY different situation as stated above.


--
| spi...@freenet.co,uk | "Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?" |
| Andrew Halliwell BSc | |
| in | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
| Computer Science | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |

[Hadron]

spi...@freenet.co.uk writes:

> And verily, didst -hh <recscub...@huntzinger.com> hastily babble thusly:
>>> Depends on what you call "innovation". If it means coming up with
>>> something that has never been done before, then no. If it means to
>>> come up with stuff that's taking a completely different spin on stuff
>>> that existed in some other form before, than yes.
>>
>> It is up to the professionals at the USPO to decide...particularly
>> since a Patent is effectively by definition "something that's not been
>> done before."
>
> Professionals? USPO? You're kidding right?
> Unless you mean the absolutely most general definition of professional
> meaning they get paid to do the job. But professional as in a professional
> mature considered approach?
>
> They allowed thousands of patents through that just added "with a computer"
> or "on the internet" to a thing that's been done for thousands of years.
>
> They are SUPPOSED to filter such guff out because it's obvious.
>

Much as I like to laugh at most the crap you post here, this is one
thing I have to agree with you about.

--
A certain COLA "advocate" faking his user-agent in order to pretend to be a Linux
user: User-Agent: Outlook 5.5 (WinNT 5.0), User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0
(Linux), Message-ID: <wPGdnd3NnOM...@comcast.com>

[flatfish+++]

On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 14:22:21 +0200, Hadron wrote:

> spi...@freenet.co.uk writes:
>
>> And verily, didst -hh <recscub...@huntzinger.com> hastily babble thusly:
>>>> Depends on what you call "innovation". If it means coming up with
>>>> something that has never been done before, then no. If it means to
>>>> come up with stuff that's taking a completely different spin on stuff
>>>> that existed in some other form before, than yes.
>>>
>>> It is up to the professionals at the USPO to decide...particularly
>>> since a Patent is effectively by definition "something that's not been
>>> done before."
>>
>> Professionals? USPO? You're kidding right?
>> Unless you mean the absolutely most general definition of professional
>> meaning they get paid to do the job. But professional as in a professional
>> mature considered approach?
>>
>> They allowed thousands of patents through that just added "with a computer"
>> or "on the internet" to a thing that's been done for thousands of years.
>>
>> They are SUPPOSED to filter such guff out because it's obvious.
>>
>
> Much as I like to laugh at most the crap you post here, this is one
> thing I have to agree with you about.

Me too.
The entire patent system needs a complete overhaul.

[GreyCloud]

There needs to be a purge of the patent office of hacks that prevent
inventions from being patented. Their main goal is to protect the
current system of industry. Example: South Africa produces their own
oil synthetically after the abiotic oil theory... which means that the
theory is correct and can be shown to work.
No.. no.. don't want to ruin grammas investment in oil stocks.

[Nobody]

On 5/27/2013 4:52 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> After swilling some grog, Tattoo Vampire belched this bit o' wisdom:
>

>> On Sun, 26 May 2013 16:46:00 +0000 (UTC), TomB
>> <tommy.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> And that goes for most of your "points".
>>
>> The biggest point he has is on top of his head.
>

> I'd thought about posting that very same witticism.
>
> Great minds and all that :-;
>

"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds
discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

[Chris Ahlstrom]

After swilling some grog, Nobody belched this bit o' wisdom:

And pinheads troll Usenet operating-system newsgroups :-*

--
Green light in A.M. for new projects. Red light in P.M. for traffic tickets.

[flatfish+++]

On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 06:02:06 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> After swilling some grog, Nobody belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> On 5/27/2013 4:52 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>> After swilling some grog, Tattoo Vampire belched this bit o' wisdom:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 26 May 2013 16:46:00 +0000 (UTC), TomB
>>>> <tommy.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> And that goes for most of your "points".
>>>>
>>>> The biggest point he has is on top of his head.
>>>
>>> I'd thought about posting that very same witticism.
>>>
>>> Great minds and all that :-;
>>>
>> "Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds
>> discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
>
> And pinheads troll Usenet operating-system newsgroups :-*

Don't be so hard on yourself Chris Ahlstrom.

[GreyCloud]

[Justin]

What about using exFAT?

[JEDIDIAH]

...seems redudant really.

We used FAT in the old days because that was the default filesystem of monopolyware.

What is the default filesystem of monopolyware today?

It's not exFAT.

--
Some people have this nutty idea that in 1997 |||
reading to a hard disk and writing to a hard disk / | \
both at the same time was something worth patenting.