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James Bragg
My only previous exposure to UNIX was back in 1985 through 86 when I
went to work for a small company that had a Fortune Systems box and
was running a "new" database called Informix. After I left that firm I
was neck deep in Windows and MSDOS.
I always wanted to get back to UNIX but never found time. Now Linux is
staring me in the face and I'm happy, kind of. I feel that I'm on my
way back to finding what I loved about computers back in the early
80's that "New Frontier" feeling is back. I've side stepped the
commercial world and have cut my ties... It's all new again, and I'm
here to stay.
-james
John M. Morris
: I always wanted to get back to UNIX but never found time. Now Linux is
: staring me in the face and I'm happy, kind of. I feel that I'm on my
: way back to finding what I loved about computers back in the early
: 80's that "New Frontier" feeling is back. I've side stepped the
: commercial world and have cut my ties... It's all new again, and I'm
: here to stay.
Welcome into the GNU Generation! I still have Windoze on my drive, but
almost never have to use it. There are still a few things easier to do
with Lotus Smartsuite. Once in a while a DOS game. Basic DOS stuff
runs in the emulator, and I am building up my available stock of Linux
applications. Soon I hope to go weeks without rebooting.
There is always something new and wonderful to figure out when running
Linux. Have not had this much FUN with a computer since OS/9 on the
CoCo.
John M> This post was 100% M$ Free!
Charles Tsocanos
>James Bragg (jsb...@computek.net) wrote:
I have just purchased a copy of Linux Universe from Barnes and Noble
after a feeble attempt to download half of slackware, and I VERY impressed.
I am fairly new to the whole Unix world, my only prior exposure to the OS
was to do C programming and send mail for class, along with checking news
groups.
I have always hated Microsoft, because they have basically ruined the whole
mainstream market for a decent OS, but I am very glad to have recently been
introduced to Linux. It has given me hope again that the industry has
another VIABLE alternative that is not monopolized by some corporate giant
controlling the industry. And the best part about it is that it is free and
developed by the very people who use it!
I have basically had it installed at home for about a week and a half
and am learning the ins and outs little by little, but the thing I can't
see myself doing in the near future, unfortunately, is scrapping Windoze.
I have way too many applications that I cannot run under Linux.
ie) Word, 123, and some games etc.
I hear people constantly saying their scraping DOS, how is that possible
don't you people do any word processing, or other such activities that require
windows?
If you know some way that I could switch over completely, let me know.
Like if WINE or some other DOS/WINDOZE emulator exists that does the job
well.
-Chuck
Jim Williams
>
>I have basically had it installed at home for about a week and a half
>and am learning the ins and outs little by little, but the thing I can't
>see myself doing in the near future, unfortunately, is scrapping Windoze.
>I have way too many applications that I cannot run under Linux.
>ie) Word, 123, and some games etc.
It all depends upon your definition of soon. You have both the developing
emulators and new apps to look forward to.
>
>I hear people constantly saying their scraping DOS, how is that possible
>don't you people do any word processing, or other such activities that require
>windows?
A lot of people who use Linux don't have those needs, but other people
do have them. Easing their burden is being worked on from several
fronts.
>
>If you know some way that I could switch over completely, let me know.
>Like if WINE or some other DOS/WINDOZE emulator exists that does the job
>well.
I think I saw that DOSEMU is already runnng Windoze fairly well -- but
possibly not yet well enough for your needs. WINE is coming along, but
I'm getting conflicting reports on just how far along. (Seems they're
to busy working on it to spend time explaining exactly where it stands.)
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Charles Tsocanos <tsoc...@romulus.rutgers.edu> wrote:
>I hear people constantly saying their scraping DOS, how is that possible
>don't you people do any word processing, or other such activities that require
>windows?
Well, for the life of me, I can't think of *any* activities that require
ms windows. Word processing? I use LaTeX myself, but if you need a wysiwyg
word processor, why not use Linux WordPerfect?
The Linux dos emulator is fairly decent; turbo c is a great platform for
throwing together quick and dirty dos programs, and I've used it under
dosemu on several occasions. But I really prefer the rich variety of
available Unix tools to anything available under dos.
>If you know some way that I could switch over completely, let me know.
>Like if WINE or some other DOS/WINDOZE emulator exists that does the job
>well.
Wine is coming along, but it's not quite there yet.
I play solitaire with it, and I have run wintach as well. In some tests,
wintach under wine blows away windows native performance, but in others,
wine is still pretty slow. Overall, wine is quite impressive, and it's
just a matter of time before these talented hackers zero in on the goal.
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Byron A Jeff
>
>>James Bragg (jsb...@computek.net) wrote:
>
>
>I have just purchased a copy of Linux Universe from Barnes and Noble
>after a feeble attempt to download half of slackware, and I VERY impressed.
Actually I've heard not so good reports about LU. So it you're impressed
with it wait 'til you get your hands on a excellent distribution like
Infomagic Developer's release.
>
>I am fairly new to the whole Unix world, my only prior exposure to the OS
>was to do C programming and send mail for class, along with checking news
>groups.
That's usually how it starts.
>I have always hated Microsoft, because they have basically ruined the whole
>mainstream market for a decent OS, but I am very glad to have recently been
>introduced to Linux. It has given me hope again that the industry has
>another VIABLE alternative that is not monopolized by some corporate giant
>controlling the industry. And the best part about it is that it is free and
>developed by the very people who use it!
Well Linux is never going to overtake Microsoft. However just having
alternatives is a good thing.
>
>I have basically had it installed at home for about a week and a half
>and am learning the ins and outs little by little, but the thing I can't
>see myself doing in the near future, unfortunately, is scrapping Windoze.
>I have way too many applications that I cannot run under Linux.
>ie) Word, 123, and some games etc.
>
>I hear people constantly saying their scraping DOS, how is that possible
>don't you people do any word processing, or other such activities that require
>windows?
Of course we do word processing, spreadsheets, games. We just don't run
Microsoft apps to do it.
Let me tell you about my experience. I was fortunate enough to completely
escape Windows. At school we always had Unix boxes (Pyramid 90, AT&T 3B2,
Suns) and at home I never had enough money to get anything more than a
DOS box running CGA. So no windows.
So being brought up in a different environment required the use of
different tools. Not better, not worse, just different. And having to use
multiple environments gets one used to paradigm shifts. So I don't have
the mistaken believe that the only way to produce a document is to use
Word. In fact I don't think I've ever used Word for anything serious.
So you'll have to get used to shifting paradigms. Here's a list of tools
that produce documents:
- WordPerfect: unlike M$ Novell/WordPerfect has been used on Unix boxes
for a dozen years. SCO/Sun Unix is the primary targets. Linux can run
certain SCO apps with a bit of help. Go get the 6.0 demo from
ftp.wordperfect.com. Be aware that it's 35 Meg and it won't save or print.
I believe the price is in the same ballpark with the DOS/Windows versions.
Also at the end of the year WP will be released in a native Linux format
(YES!)
- EZ wordprocessor. A product of the Andrew project at Carnegie Mellon
University, is a decent tool for generating documents in the typical
WP fashion.
- TeX/LaTex/groff. The traditional Unix text formatting systems do an excellent
job of generating precise documents without too much fiddling. However most
WP type folks would be put off by the non WYSIWYG method of construction.
- ANGOSS. This new tool called smartware is using the integated app approach.
It has a WP, database, and spreadsheet. Check out http://www.angoss.com for
more info.
>
>If you know some way that I could switch over completely, let me know.
>Like if WINE or some other DOS/WINDOZE emulator exists that does the job
>well.
Not that well. New system. New apps. Try them out.
BAJ
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Mark R. Lindsey
>I hear people constantly saying their scraping DOS, how is that possible
>don't you people do any word processing, or other such activities that require
>windows?
We learn different ways of doing it. Most Linux users get proficient
in vi or emacs, which are both fairly modular text editors. Some even
go out and buy a text editor -- say, crisp.
This basic knowledge is integral to all other tasks. For example, word
processing and page layout are often done in the nroff or LaTeX
languages by writing the text in ASCII and marking it up in one of
these formats, then running them through a processer on the way to the
printer. Both of these are more capable than PageMaker under Win/3.
One app that Linux doesn't have is a really good WYSIWYGish word
processor. In a sense, this is good, because (in my experience)
Linuxers don't seem to be typically endowed with a well-developed
aesthetic. (;^) Such apps make it easy to make a mess.
On the other hand, a lot of people have studied typography and do want
a good visually-oriented page layout app, and there are several in the
works. I just read in the Linux Journal (http://www.ssc.com) that
Caldera is porting Word Perfect to Linux, and there are at least two
in developement.
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Charles Tsocanos
>In article <419ddk$i...@romulus.rutgers.edu>,
>Charles Tsocanos <tsoc...@romulus.rutgers.edu> wrote:
>>joh...@tower.xxx (John M. Morris) writes:
>>
>>>James Bragg (jsb...@computek.net) wrote:
>>
>>
>>I have just purchased a copy of Linux Universe from Barnes and Noble
>>after a feeble attempt to download half of slackware, and I VERY impressed.
>Actually I've heard not so good reports about LU. So it you're impressed
>with it wait 'til you get your hands on a excellent distribution like
>Infomagic Developer's release.
Well, to tell you the truth it really isn't all that great, but I was looking
for the best one that I could find at the bookstore without much prior
knowledge of the different packages. I was planning on returning it anyway,
I wanted to try it out and see if it had all that I needed, but the book
kinda sucks and the CD doesn't have DOOM (of all things!) :) so that's 2
big reasons.
Could you please dirrect me in the direction of a good distribution, such
as the one you mentioned, either web page or ftp site.
I didn't want to go ahead and order anything without experimenting a little
first. I heard of a really good distribution of 4 CD's for 25$. I think its
the same one you're talking about. Does it run off of the CD's?
I think I'm going to order that one. I've heard good things about it.
As for my book I gonna return it and get a good manual for Linux that
explains procedures and commands more thouroughly.
>Let me tell you about my experience. I was fortunate enough to completely
>escape Windows. At school we always had Unix boxes (Pyramid 90, AT&T 3B2,
>Suns) and at home I never had enough money to get anything more than a
>DOS box running CGA. So no windows.
>So being brought up in a different environment required the use of
>different tools. Not better, not worse, just different. And having to use
>multiple environments gets one used to paradigm shifts. So I don't have
>the mistaken believe that the only way to produce a document is to use
>Word. In fact I don't think I've ever used Word for anything serious.
>So you'll have to get used to shifting paradigms. Here's a list of tools
Thank's for the help. I'll get the hang of it eventually, When you're
used to just pointing and clicking everything, it seems tedious at first
to learn millions of control and alt key combos. But simliarly Linux
may also be impossible to learn for most Windoze users, however it gives
much more flexability and punch.
-An Avid Micro$oft loather.
Larry Pyeatt
In article <419ddk$i...@romulus.rutgers.edu>, tsoc...@romulus.rutgers.edu (Charles Tsocanos) writes:
|>
|> I have basically had it installed at home for about a week and a half
|> and am learning the ins and outs little by little, but the thing I can't
|> see myself doing in the near future, unfortunately, is scrapping Windoze.
|> I have way too many applications that I cannot run under Linux.
|> ie) Word, 123, and some games etc.
|>
|> don't you people do any word processing, or other such activities that require
|> windows?
It surprises many people to learn that I have absolutely no need for
windows.
Q. What about word processing?
A. My wordprocessing consists mainly of articles for publication
in technical journals. LaTeX has what I need to produce those
articles. The output is of superior quality and it does
Automatic numbering and referencing of pages, sections, figures,
tables, etc. Automatic bibliography construction. Equation layout
that makes MSWord look pretty sad. It also can do letters,
books, etc. It is not great for advertising flyers, but I have
never needed to make one. If you really want a wysiwyg wp,
wordperfect runs under Linux.
Q. What about 123?
A. Never needed it. The dos version should run under dosemu.
There are a couple of simple clones for free.
Q. What about programming?
A. You must be joking. Have you ever gotten a pointer messed up and
ended up having to reboot your machine? How many times did you
reboot before finding the problem? I remember how I used to spend
hours looking for silly things like that. It NEVER happens under
Linux. Do you like the segmented memory model? If so, then you
DESERVE to program under DOS. I love being able to malloc an
entire megabyte of memory at once for a huge array. If you like
the fancy editors under DOS, then you would be happy to know that
emacs can do everything they can and more.
In short, there is absolutely nothing I need from MS Windows.
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