G+ GNU/Linux Advocacy is dead!

[Cola Zealot]

As predicted!
https://plus.google.com/communities/117406189088234933640?rdipvld=1

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[Marti Van Lin]

Op 24-5-2013 18:12, schreef Cola Zealot:

> As predicted!
> https://plus.google.com/communities/117406189088234933640?rdipvld=1

What else did you expect? Everyone who disagrees whit [H]omer gets the
boot. It is as if Goblin (who was notably a moderator in both groups)
and I never existed.

So much for "choice" and "Free Speech"

*Guffaw*

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[Snit]

On 5/24/13 11:35 AM, in article knobt2$k3c$1...@news.albasani.net, "Marti Van

Lin" <ml2...@dontevenbother.invalid> wrote:

> Op 24-5-2013 18:12, schreef Cola Zealot:
>
>> As predicted!
>> https://plus.google.com/communities/117406189088234933640?rdipvld=1
>
> What else did you expect? Everyone who disagrees whit [H]omer gets the
> boot. It is as if Goblin (who was notably a moderator in both groups)
> and I never existed.
>
> So much for "choice" and "Free Speech"
>
> *Guffaw*

To the herd, choice means choosing to agree with them on many irrational or
absurd things. The current list:

* MS has secret deals to stop OEMs from selling Linux pre-installed.
* Apple claims to have invented the "rounded rectangle".
* Desktop Linux serves people as well as the competition.
* Apple never innovated anything.
* Samsung has not been copying Apple's products.
* Apple and MS are struggling / dying companies.
* MS has a monopoly on the desktop.
* Snit is anti-choice (as are others they accuse).
* Snit is anti-Linux (as are others they accuse).
* Snit uses sock puppets (as do others they accuse).
* Stallman's views on kids and sexuality are fine.
* Stallman's doubletalk about "Freedom" is coherent and makes sense.
* MS is evil to have blocked Linux years ago, but Google is fine to
block Aliyun OS *now*.
* When an organization moves to a Linux based product it is always a
good move. When they move away from one it is always a bad move.
* Even though some herd members post membership lists of who is in
the herd, all herd members deny the herd even exists.
* If you recognize there are downsides to massive amounts of distros,
then you must want to be told how to use it and believe everyone
feels the same way.

I am sure there is more that can be added.


--
"I started Linux as a desktop operating system. And it's the only area
where Linux hasn't completely taken over. That just annoys the hell out
of me." -- Linus Torvalds

[Goblin]

On 24/05/13 19:35, Marti Van Lin wrote:
> What else did you expect? Everyone who disagrees whit [H]omer gets the boot.

Thats a little unfair Marti since I left on account of my views on a
more diverse software eccosystem was in conflict with that G+ group.

> It is as if Goblin (who was notably a moderator in both groups) and I never existed.

Since I (and I believe you too) still have most of the COLA regulars on
our G+ accounts then the only person who doesn't "exist" will be Homer.
Since his an my views on freedom of opinion differ greatly I blocked
him I don't have time for anyone who would seek to silence an
inconvenient view.

As for almost everyone else on COLA I come into contact with, they are
quite willing to accept other views, even if they don't agree.

As for you an Windows Marti, good for you! I have no issues with what
you advocate since your behaviour is hardly anything like the Microsoft
Advocates we know and "love" here.

Interesting how after years of homophobic attacks against you, the
Microsoft Advocates have gone silent....maybe thats because it was
always about what your software choices were.


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[GreyCloud]

On 5/24/2013 1:24 PM, Goblin wrote:
> On 24/05/13 19:35, Marti Van Lin wrote:
>> What else did you expect? Everyone who disagrees whit [H]omer gets the
>> boot.
>
> Thats a little unfair Marti since I left on account of my views on a
> more diverse software eccosystem was in conflict with that G+ group.
>
>> It is as if Goblin (who was notably a moderator in both groups) and I
>> never existed.
>
> Since I (and I believe you too) still have most of the COLA regulars on
> our G+ accounts then the only person who doesn't "exist" will be Homer.
> Since his an my views on freedom of opinion differ greatly I blocked
> him I don't have time for anyone who would seek to silence an
> inconvenient view.
>
> As for almost everyone else on COLA I come into contact with, they are
> quite willing to accept other views, even if they don't agree.
>
> As for you an Windows Marti, good for you! I have no issues with what
> you advocate since your behaviour is hardly anything like the Microsoft
> Advocates we know and "love" here.
>
> Interesting how after years of homophobic attacks against you, the
> Microsoft Advocates have gone silent....maybe thats because it was
> always about what your software choices were.
>
>

And also very interesting in the fact that since 1998 I was advocating
for Linux till I decided to get a new PC with Win7 on it. I was in good
stead till then. And you still use a broad paint brush to label
everyone that disagrees with the herd, and call them Microsoft
Advocates. What happened to Marti happened to me as well... just to set
the record straight.

[flatfish+++]

And philo as well.

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[Goblin]

On 24/05/13 22:06, GreyCloud wrote:
> And also very interesting in the fact that since 1998 I was advocating
> for Linux till I decided to get a new PC with Win7 on it. I was in good
> stead till then.

No. All it takes is anyone to look back at how you post. You are very
different from someone who merely makes a choice and uses another solution.

In anycase, even Hadron didn't believe you were the real
"Greycloud"....I personally see it as no relevance since its HOW you
post, not the topic you are posting about.

> And you still use a broad paint brush to label everyone that disagrees with the herd

Well time and again the "herd" is proved not to exist since there's
diversity of opinion between FOSS users here...what is agreed though are
there are certain types of Microsoft advocates. There are those like
Marti, who is a nice chap and choses to use a Microsoft product, then
theres you. There's flatfish and there's all the others who can't post
in a decent way and seek only to make peoples lives miserable here.

> What happened to Marti happened to me as well... just to set the record straight.

Really? Yet Marti doesn't behave like you. Why is that?

[Snit]

On 5/24/13 2:06 PM, in article VeidnfsWXb_nSwLM...@bresnan.com,

"GreyCloud" <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:

>> Interesting how after years of homophobic attacks against you, the
>> Microsoft Advocates have gone silent....maybe thats because it was
>> always about what your software choices were.
>>
>>
>
> And also very interesting in the fact that since 1998 I was advocating
> for Linux till I decided to get a new PC with Win7 on it. I was in good
> stead till then. And you still use a broad paint brush to label
> everyone that disagrees with the herd, and call them Microsoft
> Advocates. What happened to Marti happened to me as well... just to set
> the record straight.

And I am a big fan of Linux and open source software... but have never used
desktop Linux as my primary OS of choice.

This makes me evil in the minds of the herd.

Amazing.


--
"When making pornography involves real abuse of real children ... that does
not excuse censorship. No matter how disgusting published works might be,
censorship is more disgusting." -- Richard Stallman

[flatfish+++]

On Fri, 24 May 2013 14:27:38 -0700, Snit wrote:

> On 5/24/13 2:06 PM, in article VeidnfsWXb_nSwLM...@bresnan.com,
> "GreyCloud" <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
>
>>> Interesting how after years of homophobic attacks against you, the
>>> Microsoft Advocates have gone silent....maybe thats because it was
>>> always about what your software choices were.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> And also very interesting in the fact that since 1998 I was advocating
>> for Linux till I decided to get a new PC with Win7 on it. I was in good
>> stead till then. And you still use a broad paint brush to label
>> everyone that disagrees with the herd, and call them Microsoft
>> Advocates. What happened to Marti happened to me as well... just to set
>> the record straight.
>
> And I am a big fan of Linux and open source software... but have never used
> desktop Linux as my primary OS of choice.
>
> This makes me evil in the minds of the herd.
>
> Amazing.

The herd should be along any minute claiming there is no such thing
as the herd. Then they will claim it's the way people post that gets
a person ostracized.

IOW anything to attempt to explain away the fact that if you go
against the herd and their mantra, you will be attacked.

How they can deny it is truly amazing because the evidence speaks for
itself and it *is* overwhelming.

[William Poaster]

Goblin wrote:

> On 24/05/13 19:35, Marti Van Lin wrote:
>> What else did you expect? Everyone who disagrees whit [H]omer gets the boot.
>
> Thats a little unfair Marti since I left on account of my views on a
> more diverse software eccosystem was in conflict with that G+ group.
>
>> It is as if Goblin (who was notably a moderator in both groups) and I never existed.
>
> Since I (and I believe you too) still have most of the COLA regulars on
> our G+ accounts then the only person who doesn't "exist" will be Homer.
> Since his an my views on freedom of opinion differ greatly I blocked
> him I don't have time for anyone who would seek to silence an
> inconvenient view.
>
> As for almost everyone else on COLA I come into contact with, they are
> quite willing to accept other views, even if they don't agree.
>
> As for you an Windows Marti, good for you! I have no issues with what
> you advocate since your behaviour is hardly anything like the Microsoft
> Advocates we know and "love" here.
>
> Interesting how after years of homophobic attacks against you, the
> Microsoft Advocates have gone silent....maybe thats because it was
> always about what your software choices were.

Interesting too, that "Marti" now chats with the trolls who made the
homophobic attacks against him, like they're old friends.
(A google search shows this.)

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CERNοΏ½s Large Hadron Collider is controlled by Linux.
NASA and SpaceX ground stations use Linux.
DNA-sequencing lab technicians use Linux.
Really, for applications that require absolute stability,
which most scientific experiments are, Linux is the obvious choice.
http://tinyurl.com/d9ta82o

[Snit]

On 5/24/13 2:26 PM, in article nWQnt.173752$i%3.10...@fx10.fr7, "Goblin"

<bytes...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> On 24/05/13 22:06, GreyCloud wrote:
>> And also very interesting in the fact that since 1998 I was advocating for
>> Linux till I decided to get a new PC with Win7 on it. I was in good stead
>> till then.
>>
> No. All it takes is anyone to look back at how you post. You are very
> different from someone who merely makes a choice and uses another solution.

This is very subjective. I would like to see some examples... phrases he
used to use and then stopped when he started using Windows, for example.

To me his style is very much the same and his beliefs are very much the same
- including in areas where he and I disagree.

> In anycase, even Hadron didn't believe you were the real "Greycloud"....I
> personally see it as no relevance since its HOW you post, not the topic you
> are posting about.

I see no reason to think he is not the real him. None at all. Nor any
evidence to suggest it. I also know for an absolute fact that people are
often - very often - accused of being someone they are not. Dozens of people
have been accused of being my socks... and I know for an absolute fact that
are not. They hold on to these beliefs even when shown absolute proof of
their error - such as when Onion Knight and I not only did one Skype with
each other but did another with Brad cc Wiggins. The idea I could somehow
use both voices in real time is just absurd... but the claims of him being
my sock are still spread in COLA.

I think what happens is dishonest people see others as being dishonest...
and honest people see people as being honest. I trust GreyCloud because I am
trustworthy. This does not mean I do not look at evidence or question
people, but even with folks as off-the-wall and offensive as Bilk, I do not
say outright he is making things up, I *question* his claims. Only when it
became apparent that his claims were self-contradictory and utter nonsense
he could not explain did I state categorically that his claims were clearly
false. Since then he has finally admitted he did not even do any research on
his claims - he is merely stating what he thinks others have told him. But I
still would give him the benefit of the doubt and give him a chance to
explain, for example, why the video he speaks of is not referenced in any TV
Guide anyone can find.

I give people chances because I believe people, in general, are honest and
good. I see people as I am. It takes a lot for me to "write someone off"...
my weakness is I give people too many chances (a weakness some Usenet
predators have exploited).

>> And you still use a broad paint brush to label everyone that disagrees with
>> the herd
>>
> Well time and again the "herd" is proved not to exist since there's diversity
> of opinion between FOSS users here

I do not think anyone says there is not diversity. But what is true is that
the vast majority of the following untrue (or at best baseless) claims are
accepted by each herd member (or, at best, not questioned):

* MS has secret deals to stop OEMs from selling Linux pre-installed.
* Apple claims to have invented the "rounded rectangle".
* Desktop Linux serves people as well as the competition.
* Apple never innovated anything.
* Samsung has not been copying Apple's products.
* Apple and MS are struggling / dying companies.
* MS has a monopoly on the desktop.
* Snit is anti-choice (as are others they accuse).
* Snit is anti-Linux (as are others they accuse).
* Snit uses sock puppets (as do others they accuse).
* Stallman's views on kids and sexuality are fine.
* Stallman's doubletalk about "Freedom" is coherent and makes sense.
* MS is evil to have blocked Linux years ago, but Google is fine to
block Aliyun OS *now*.
* When an organization moves to a Linux based product it is always a
good move. When they move away from one it is always a bad move.
* Even though some herd members post membership lists of who is in
the herd, all herd members deny the herd even exists.
* If you recognize there are downsides to massive amounts of distros,
then you must want to be told how to use it and believe everyone
feels the same way.

Again: some herd members have questioned some of these (perhaps more notably
Homer with his calling Google out on the Aliyun OS BS). But even in that
case Homer pretty quickly dropped it and moved back to attacking MS for
deals they had years ago... and pretended they were still in effect but
"secret" even though the evidence directly shows OEMs can and do offer
competing OSs.

I also frequently post examples of herd members posting for the apparent
reason to please the rest of the herd. Not one of my claims has been shown
to be wrong.

So the idea that there is no herd is sorta silly... it is very well
established by fairly detailed and objective evidence.

> ...what is agreed though are there are certain types of Microsoft advocates.

I think there are folks who prefer MS products for some things, but of the
people in COLA there are few if any who push MS for all things. Who does not
speak highly of Linux on in the server room and in embedded devices? Who
says Linux is not a good solution for portable devices? Who is pushing MS to
the point of saying it is always the best for everyone?

There may be some... but I would like to see the evidence.

> There are those like Marti, who is a nice chap and choses to use a Microsoft
> product, then theres you. There's flatfish and there's all the others who
> can't post in a decent way and seek only to make peoples lives miserable here.

Look at the COLA "advocates". They post attacks on a regular basis... heck,
I doubt you can find a single day in the last year where the advocates have
not posted something nasty and generally untrue about me (not to mention
Hadron or flatfish or others). This does *not* excuse the behavior of those
outside of the herd who also make attacks, but let us not pretend the COLA
"advocates" are the good guys in COLA. They are false "advocates" who are
very vicious. Even the ones who generally are not, such as TomB, can be
pushed to be when they get out of line. I quoted Stallman and he reacted to
this and the pushing of the herd by contacting my Usenet provider and trying
to have my account cancelled. When was the last time any of the "trolls" did
anything that grotesquely wrong?

>> What happened to Marti happened to me as well... just to set the record
>> straight.
>>
> Really? Yet Marti doesn't behave like you. Why is that?



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around and were attracted to the PROTATIONAL FIELD generated by your
spinning hard drive." - Mark S Bill

"Maybe I am that way because people kept telling me I was mentally ill. But
I never was. I just saw monsters. Them." - Mark S. Bilk

[Snit]

On 5/24/13 3:01 PM, in article
th457a-...@user-1842.linux.individual.net, "William Poaster"

<w...@induh-vidual.net> wrote:

> Goblin wrote:
>
>> On 24/05/13 19:35, Marti Van Lin wrote:
>>> What else did you expect? Everyone who disagrees whit [H]omer gets the boot.
>>
>> Thats a little unfair Marti since I left on account of my views on a
>> more diverse software eccosystem was in conflict with that G+ group.
>>
>>> It is as if Goblin (who was notably a moderator in both groups) and I never
>>> existed.
>>
>> Since I (and I believe you too) still have most of the COLA regulars on
>> our G+ accounts then the only person who doesn't "exist" will be Homer.
>> Since his an my views on freedom of opinion differ greatly I blocked
>> him I don't have time for anyone who would seek to silence an
>> inconvenient view.
>>
>> As for almost everyone else on COLA I come into contact with, they are
>> quite willing to accept other views, even if they don't agree.
>>
>> As for you an Windows Marti, good for you! I have no issues with what
>> you advocate since your behaviour is hardly anything like the Microsoft
>> Advocates we know and "love" here.
>>
>> Interesting how after years of homophobic attacks against you, the
>> Microsoft Advocates have gone silent....maybe thats because it was
>> always about what your software choices were.
>
> Interesting too, that "Marti" now chats with the trolls who made the
> homophobic attacks against him, like they're old friends.
> (A google search shows this.)

Maybe unlike you he does not hold grudges and is willing to move forward.
Flatfish and I did that. GreyCloud and I did that.

Maybe you can work to rise to that level, too.


--
"But I have never, ever even run a Linux server and I don't even want
to; it's not what I'm interested in. I'm more of a desktop guy."
-- Linus Torvalds

[Goblin]

On 24/05/13 23:01, William Poaster wrote:
> Interesting too, that "Marti" now chats with the trolls who made the
> homophobic attacks against him, like they're old friends.

But I think that just highlights Marti being a nice guy....most people
would never forgive for the years of insults....maybe despite what we
know the Microsoft Advocates are capable of, for Marti and his
experiences, he is willing to forgive and forget. That's his choice,
but the slimey nature of the Microsoft Advocates cannot be hidden, what
they said to him for years on end is all a matter of record now.

[Snit]

On 5/24/13 3:48 PM, in article 27Snt.134847$pv1....@fx04.fr7, "Goblin"

<bytes...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> On 24/05/13 23:01, William Poaster wrote:
>> Interesting too, that "Marti" now chats with the trolls who made the
>> homophobic attacks against him, like they're old friends.
>
> But I think that just highlights Marti being a nice guy....most people
> would never forgive for the years of insults....maybe despite what we
> know the Microsoft Advocates are capable of, for Marti and his
> experiences, he is willing to forgive and forget.

In some cases. Even though he admitted to his wrongs in his attacks against
me in different G+ groups he still has to "forgive" me for wrongs he cannot
even quote or name. I would love to have him stand up and say Snit did wrong
when he said "[some quote]". If I cannot defend my "wrong" claim then I
would openly admit to it (as I did when I accused Tattoo of speaking poorly
of me in the G+ group... he never did... he called me out on my error and I
admitted to it... and to his credit he has not held it against me, if it was
not for *my* bringing it up it would likely be fully forgotten).

> That's his choice, but the slimey nature of the Microsoft Advocates cannot be
> hidden, what they said to him for years on end is all a matter of record now.

You repeatedly refer to the "Microsoft Advocates" and how bad they are. I
have provided you a list of clearly false (or at best baseless) claims that
the COLA "advocates" generally adhere to... I would love to see what claims
you think the "Microsoft Advocates" adhere to.

I will say that some of the "trolls" of COLA make racist and homophobic
remarks I have *extreme* disagreement with... but as long as they are not
harping on their views on these things I do not either. Does not mean they
and I are not well aware that we very, very strongly disagree about these
things.

--
Bilk is a self-described psychopath who demonstrates a persecution complex
and claims to believe delusional stories about historic events. Yet he
denies the need to seek professional help for his problems. Very sad.

[Gregory Shearman]

On 2013-05-24, Goblin <bytes...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On 24/05/13 23:01, William Poaster wrote:
>> Interesting too, that "Marti" now chats with the trolls who made the
>> homophobic attacks against him, like they're old friends.
>
> But I think that just highlights Marti being a nice guy....most people
> would never forgive for the years of insults....maybe despite what we
> know the Microsoft Advocates are capable of, for Marti and his
> experiences, he is willing to forgive and forget. That's his choice,
> but the slimey nature of the Microsoft Advocates cannot be hidden, what
> they said to him for years on end is all a matter of record now.

I think it points to "Marti" being a completely different poster.

Either that or someone scooped out his brain and replaced it with a COLA
troll.

--
Regards,
Gregory.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power

[Snit]

On 5/24/13 4:20 PM, in article slrnkpvteg.83...@netscape.net,

"Gregory Shearman" <ZekeG...@netscape.net> wrote:

> On 2013-05-24, Goblin <bytes...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> On 24/05/13 23:01, William Poaster wrote:
>>> Interesting too, that "Marti" now chats with the trolls who made the
>>> homophobic attacks against him, like they're old friends.
>>
>> But I think that just highlights Marti being a nice guy....most people
>> would never forgive for the years of insults....maybe despite what we
>> know the Microsoft Advocates are capable of, for Marti and his
>> experiences, he is willing to forgive and forget. That's his choice,
>> but the slimey nature of the Microsoft Advocates cannot be hidden, what
>> they said to him for years on end is all a matter of record now.
>
> I think it points to "Marti" being a completely different poster.

He is being tossed under the bus for not backing the herd. Nothing else is
going on here.

> Either that or someone scooped out his brain and replaced it with a COLA
> troll.

See: the above sentence is posted simply to please the herd.

--
> As for Stallman, he is a repulsive person by any standard of decency.
... standard of decency or hygiene.
-- Lusotec

[flatfish+++]

On Fri, 24 May 2013 16:30:53 -0700, Snit wrote:

> On 5/24/13 4:20 PM, in article slrnkpvteg.83...@netscape.net,
> "Gregory Shearman" <ZekeG...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>> On 2013-05-24, Goblin <bytes...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> On 24/05/13 23:01, William Poaster wrote:
>>>> Interesting too, that "Marti" now chats with the trolls who made the
>>>> homophobic attacks against him, like they're old friends.
>>>
>>> But I think that just highlights Marti being a nice guy....most people
>>> would never forgive for the years of insults....maybe despite what we
>>> know the Microsoft Advocates are capable of, for Marti and his
>>> experiences, he is willing to forgive and forget. That's his choice,
>>> but the slimey nature of the Microsoft Advocates cannot be hidden, what
>>> they said to him for years on end is all a matter of record now.
>>
>> I think it points to "Marti" being a completely different poster.
>
> He is being tossed under the bus for not backing the herd. Nothing else is
> going on here.
>
>> Either that or someone scooped out his brain and replaced it with a COLA
>> troll.
>
> See: the above sentence is posted simply to please the herd.

These Linux "advocates" are sick.
They really are.
And they have all the trappings of a typical cult.

They can deny it all they want but the evidence is right out front
and obvious to anyone who takes even a cursory glance at COLA.

[GreyCloud]

On 5/24/2013 3:26 PM, Goblin wrote:
> On 24/05/13 22:06, GreyCloud wrote:
>> And also very interesting in the fact that since 1998 I was advocating
>> for Linux till I decided to get a new PC with Win7 on it. I was in good
>> stead till then.
>
> No. All it takes is anyone to look back at how you post. You are very
> different from someone who merely makes a choice and uses another solution.
>

You are not specific.

> In anycase, even Hadron didn't believe you were the real
> "Greycloud"....I personally see it as no relevance since its HOW you
> post, not the topic you are posting about.

So? That is his view point.

>
>> And you still use a broad paint brush to label everyone that disagrees
>> with the herd
>
> Well time and again the "herd" is proved not to exist since there's
> diversity of opinion between FOSS users here...what is agreed though are
> there are certain types of Microsoft advocates.

LOL!!! The herd mentality definitely exists. You are sadly mistaken.

> There are those like
> Marti, who is a nice chap and choses to use a Microsoft product, then
> theres you.

Both Marti and I have advocated for linux for many years, yet one
positive praise or purchase of an MS product puts one on the herds shitlist.

> There's flatfish and there's all the others who can't post
> in a decent way and seek only to make peoples lives miserable here.
>

That is because people like you have ridiculed their posts, knowing full
well that they are just as guilty of doing the same thing only not
mentioning it here.

>> What happened to Marti happened to me as well... just to set the
>> record straight.
>
> Really? Yet Marti doesn't behave like you. Why is that?
>

In what way does he behave differently, timmy?

[GreyCloud]

On 5/24/2013 3:42 PM, flatfish+++ wrote:
> On Fri, 24 May 2013 14:27:38 -0700, Snit wrote:
>
>> On 5/24/13 2:06 PM, in article VeidnfsWXb_nSwLM...@bresnan.com,
>> "GreyCloud" <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Interesting how after years of homophobic attacks against you, the
>>>> Microsoft Advocates have gone silent....maybe thats because it was
>>>> always about what your software choices were.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> And also very interesting in the fact that since 1998 I was advocating
>>> for Linux till I decided to get a new PC with Win7 on it. I was in good
>>> stead till then. And you still use a broad paint brush to label
>>> everyone that disagrees with the herd, and call them Microsoft
>>> Advocates. What happened to Marti happened to me as well... just to set
>>> the record straight.
>>
>> And I am a big fan of Linux and open source software... but have never used
>> desktop Linux as my primary OS of choice.
>>
>> This makes me evil in the minds of the herd.
>>
>> Amazing.
>
> The herd should be along any minute claiming there is no such thing
> as the herd. Then they will claim it's the way people post that gets
> a person ostracized.

The resident hobgoblin just came around and did exactly that. He is
very much misinformed.

>
> IOW anything to attempt to explain away the fact that if you go
> against the herd and their mantra, you will be attacked.
>
> How they can deny it is truly amazing because the evidence speaks for
> itself and it *is* overwhelming.
>

It sure does. In real life they'd be hanging their heads down in shame.

[GreyCloud]

On 5/24/2013 4:01 PM, William Poaster wrote:
> Goblin wrote:
>
>> On 24/05/13 19:35, Marti Van Lin wrote:
>>> What else did you expect? Everyone who disagrees whit [H]omer gets the boot.
>>
>> Thats a little unfair Marti since I left on account of my views on a
>> more diverse software eccosystem was in conflict with that G+ group.
>>
>>> It is as if Goblin (who was notably a moderator in both groups) and I never existed.
>>
>> Since I (and I believe you too) still have most of the COLA regulars on
>> our G+ accounts then the only person who doesn't "exist" will be Homer.
>> Since his an my views on freedom of opinion differ greatly I blocked
>> him I don't have time for anyone who would seek to silence an
>> inconvenient view.
>>
>> As for almost everyone else on COLA I come into contact with, they are
>> quite willing to accept other views, even if they don't agree.
>>
>> As for you an Windows Marti, good for you! I have no issues with what
>> you advocate since your behaviour is hardly anything like the Microsoft
>> Advocates we know and "love" here.
>>
>> Interesting how after years of homophobic attacks against you, the
>> Microsoft Advocates have gone silent....maybe thats because it was
>> always about what your software choices were.
>
> Interesting too, that "Marti" now chats with the trolls who made the
> homophobic attacks against him, like they're old friends.
> (A google search shows this.)
>

Show me where I had made any such attack?

[GreyCloud]

On 5/24/2013 4:48 PM, Goblin wrote:
> On 24/05/13 23:01, William Poaster wrote:
>> Interesting too, that "Marti" now chats with the trolls who made the
>> homophobic attacks against him, like they're old friends.
>
> But I think that just highlights Marti being a nice guy....most people
> would never forgive for the years of insults....maybe despite what we
> know the Microsoft Advocates are capable of, for Marti and his
> experiences, he is willing to forgive and forget. That's his choice,
> but the slimey nature of the Microsoft Advocates cannot be hidden, what
> they said to him for years on end is all a matter of record now.
>

Guffaw!!! Yet you yourself have already attacked the so called MS
advocates. You are nothing more than a cult member plus a hypocrite.

[GreyCloud]

On 5/24/2013 5:20 PM, Gregory Shearman wrote:
> On 2013-05-24, Goblin <bytes...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> On 24/05/13 23:01, William Poaster wrote:
>>> Interesting too, that "Marti" now chats with the trolls who made the
>>> homophobic attacks against him, like they're old friends.
>>
>> But I think that just highlights Marti being a nice guy....most people
>> would never forgive for the years of insults....maybe despite what we
>> know the Microsoft Advocates are capable of, for Marti and his
>> experiences, he is willing to forgive and forget. That's his choice,
>> but the slimey nature of the Microsoft Advocates cannot be hidden, what
>> they said to him for years on end is all a matter of record now.
>
> I think it points to "Marti" being a completely different poster.
>

Your tinfoil hat is on tight again. It is Marti.

> Either that or someone scooped out his brain and replaced it with a COLA
> troll.
>

Yeah... afraid of turdv coming in here and start calling you a *POS*??

You should be ashamed of yourself.

[flatfish+++]

On Fri, 24 May 2013 17:51:39 -0600, GreyCloud wrote:

> On 5/24/2013 3:42 PM, flatfish+++ wrote:
>> On Fri, 24 May 2013 14:27:38 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/24/13 2:06 PM, in article VeidnfsWXb_nSwLM...@bresnan.com,
>>> "GreyCloud" <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Interesting how after years of homophobic attacks against you, the
>>>>> Microsoft Advocates have gone silent....maybe thats because it was
>>>>> always about what your software choices were.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And also very interesting in the fact that since 1998 I was advocating
>>>> for Linux till I decided to get a new PC with Win7 on it. I was in good
>>>> stead till then. And you still use a broad paint brush to label
>>>> everyone that disagrees with the herd, and call them Microsoft
>>>> Advocates. What happened to Marti happened to me as well... just to set
>>>> the record straight.
>>>
>>> And I am a big fan of Linux and open source software... but have never used
>>> desktop Linux as my primary OS of choice.
>>>
>>> This makes me evil in the minds of the herd.
>>>
>>> Amazing.
>>
>> The herd should be along any minute claiming there is no such thing
>> as the herd. Then they will claim it's the way people post that gets
>> a person ostracized.
>
> The resident hobgoblin just came around and did exactly that. He is
> very much misinformed.

As predicted.
He is very predictable.

>>
>> IOW anything to attempt to explain away the fact that if you go
>> against the herd and their mantra, you will be attacked.
>>
>> How they can deny it is truly amazing because the evidence speaks for
>> itself and it *is* overwhelming.
>>
>
> It sure does. In real life they'd be hanging their heads down in shame.

They simply LIE for LIEnux and will say absolutely anything no matter
how untruthful it is just to bolster Linux or slam the competition.

It's interesting watching their little clique unravel in public and
confirm what everyone has suspected for years. They are liars. And
that includes just about every one of them.

If you really want to watch the herd in action, post some of those
YouTube videos from the LunDuke Linux User group where they dissect
desktop Linux, admit how and why it sucks and how it can be changed.

Some of these idiots in COLA actually tried to claim the videos and
the group itself was faked.

lol!

They just can't deal with the fact that desktop Linux is in a sorry
state. Has always been in a sorry state. And always will be in a
sorry state unless some major changes are made to the Linux and FOSS
model.

Here is one example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKwWPQ1Orzs

There are many more and some are hysterical because they talk about
the same topics and problems that the so called Linux "advocates" in
COLA claim work fine.

[Snit]

On 5/24/13 4:42 PM, in article 1jmkfnbsy10ct.1cz1r3gl6o9p$.d...@40tude.net,

"flatfish+++" <phlat...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 24 May 2013 16:30:53 -0700, Snit wrote:
>
>> On 5/24/13 4:20 PM, in article slrnkpvteg.83...@netscape.net,
>> "Gregory Shearman" <ZekeG...@netscape.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2013-05-24, Goblin <bytes...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 24/05/13 23:01, William Poaster wrote:
>>>>> Interesting too, that "Marti" now chats with the trolls who made the
>>>>> homophobic attacks against him, like they're old friends.
>>>>
>>>> But I think that just highlights Marti being a nice guy....most people
>>>> would never forgive for the years of insults....maybe despite what we
>>>> know the Microsoft Advocates are capable of, for Marti and his
>>>> experiences, he is willing to forgive and forget. That's his choice,
>>>> but the slimey nature of the Microsoft Advocates cannot be hidden, what
>>>> they said to him for years on end is all a matter of record now.
>>>
>>> I think it points to "Marti" being a completely different poster.
>>
>> He is being tossed under the bus for not backing the herd. Nothing else is
>> going on here.
>>
>>> Either that or someone scooped out his brain and replaced it with a COLA
>>> troll.
>>
>> See: the above sentence is posted simply to please the herd.
>
> These Linux "advocates" are sick.
> They really are.
> And they have all the trappings of a typical cult.

Well, they do not force isolation from people's family's as much... but,
yes, very cult-like.

> They can deny it all they want but the evidence is right out front
> and obvious to anyone who takes even a cursory glance at COLA.

The denial is amusing to read. Interesting, too.

[Snit]

On 5/24/13 5:00 PM, in article m1at48f5reo9.1tgoivzubuyqk$.d...@40tude.net,
"flatfish+++" <phlat...@yahoo.com> wrote:

...

>>> The herd should be along any minute claiming there is no such thing
>>> as the herd. Then they will claim it's the way people post that gets
>>> a person ostracized.
>>
>> The resident hobgoblin just came around and did exactly that. He is
>> very much misinformed.
>
> As predicted.
> He is very predictable.

They deny their is a herd even though I have compiled a partial list of herd
beliefs which are not 100% but pretty close to that held to by each of the
herd members or, at least, not publicly questioned. These beliefs are either
clearly false or simply not supported. But the herd will not question them
except in very rare cases.

The fact they act as a cult-like herd is well documented.

>>> IOW anything to attempt to explain away the fact that if you go
>>> against the herd and their mantra, you will be attacked.
>>>
>>> How they can deny it is truly amazing because the evidence speaks for
>>> itself and it *is* overwhelming.
>>>
>>
>> It sure does. In real life they'd be hanging their heads down in shame.
>
> They simply LIE for LIEnux and will say absolutely anything no matter
> how untruthful it is just to bolster Linux or slam the competition.
>
> It's interesting watching their little clique unravel in public and
> confirm what everyone has suspected for years. They are liars. And
> that includes just about every one of them.

Yes. Absolutely.

> If you really want to watch the herd in action, post some of those
> YouTube videos from the LunDuke Linux User group where they dissect
> desktop Linux, admit how and why it sucks and how it can be changed.

And then watch as people in COLA speak of how it would be good to see these
changes in desktop Linux and are then viciously attacked.

Heck, for years I spoke of the problems of desktop Linux and gave specific
examples I showed with images and videos... I was told these were not
problems, I was making them up, that desktop Linux is supposed to have these
problems, that this proved I did not get the open source world, etc.

Now, just a few years later, many (though not all) of these problems are
resolved. Look at these examples of PCLOS from a few years ago:

<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/PCLOS2.pdf>
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/PCLOS2.mov>
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/PCLOS.pdf>
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/PCLOS.mov>
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/PCLOS-menu.pdf>
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/PCLOS-drag.mov>

How many of the problems I point out still exist on PCLOS? Not many. Does
not mean there is not still *plenty* of room for improvement, but things are
getting better.

When I noted how their was a need for this to happen, and predicted it
would, the herd went crazy. RonB still lies about me being anti-choice and
others in herd lie about me being anti-Linux.

They are simply not being honest.

> Some of these idiots in COLA actually tried to claim the videos and
> the group itself was faked.
>
> lol!

Yes: like they claimed many of my videos were "forged" - but somehow never
showed any video of things working correctly.

> They just can't deal with the fact that desktop Linux is in a sorry
> state. Has always been in a sorry state. And always will be in a
> sorry state unless some major changes are made to the Linux and FOSS
> model.

It is improving... but, yes, there is a long way to go.

> Here is one example:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKwWPQ1Orzs

I will have to watch it all later.

> There are many more and some are hysterical because they talk about
> the same topics and problems that the so called Linux "advocates" in
> COLA claim work fine.

Exactly. And now we know that behind closed doors they do not attack those
who make these claims. Heck, they sometimes join in and agree.



--
"It is absurd to punish anyone for having sex with someone of age 15 � it is
normal for Americans of age 15 to have sex." -- Richard Stallman

[GreyCloud]

You can bank on that, as I fessed up over a year ago about the lying.

> If you really want to watch the herd in action, post some of those
> YouTube videos from the LunDuke Linux User group where they dissect
> desktop Linux, admit how and why it sucks and how it can be changed.
>

Hehe... I've seen those videos. And then there are youtube videos
saying how much linux is better than windows. LOL!

> Some of these idiots in COLA actually tried to claim the videos and
> the group itself was faked.
>
> lol!
>

Their denial is obvious.

> They just can't deal with the fact that desktop Linux is in a sorry
> state. Has always been in a sorry state. And always will be in a
> sorry state unless some major changes are made to the Linux and FOSS
> model.

They need to dump X and start over with a much leaner window driver.

>
> Here is one example:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKwWPQ1Orzs
>
> There are many more and some are hysterical because they talk about
> the same topics and problems that the so called Linux "advocates" in
> COLA claim work fine.
>

It won't matter to a liar, they'll just continue on as if nothing
happened. The fun part is showing them up in their lies... a liar can't
keep all his lies in order.

[Snit]

On 5/24/13 4:49 PM, in article 47udndNaOfMLYQLM...@bresnan.com,

"GreyCloud" <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:

> On 5/24/2013 3:26 PM, Goblin wrote:
>> On 24/05/13 22:06, GreyCloud wrote:
>>> And also very interesting in the fact that since 1998 I was advocating
>>> for Linux till I decided to get a new PC with Win7 on it. I was in good
>>> stead till then.
>>
>> No. All it takes is anyone to look back at how you post. You are very
>> different from someone who merely makes a choice and uses another solution.
>
> You are not specific.

I asked him about specifics, too. Would love to see what he is thinking of.

>> In anycase, even Hadron didn't believe you were the real
>> "Greycloud"....I personally see it as no relevance since its HOW you
>> post, not the topic you are posting about.
>
> So? That is his view point.

It is as if someone's *thoughts* can change who you are... not just change
something about you but make you be a literally different person.

I do not get that concept. I do not care how many people say I am Onion
Knight or Joel Crump or any of the dozens of others I have been accused of
being - their thoughts cannot make me become these people (nor make them
become me). It is just weird how some people point to the comments of others
as if this somehow can make such a change.

I am Snit. My real name is well known. No accusations or insults or claims
can make anyone else be me or me be anyone else. It is completely irrational
for people to insist people saying things *about* me (or someone else) is
evidence of those things. Nope. Same with Carroll's idiotic list of
obsessively collected and forged quotes. So? Over a decade of obsessing and
lying Carroll (and Sandman and now a few others) have compiled a whole lot
of comments where someone (often, though far from always, a Carroll sock)
claims I am lying. This is *meaningless* without actually *quoting* me
lying.

Someone saying you are the Pope will not make you be the Pope. At least not
the current one. If enough people say that I suppose you might get the
position. :)

>>> And you still use a broad paint brush to label everyone that disagrees
>>> with the herd
>>
>> Well time and again the "herd" is proved not to exist since there's
>> diversity of opinion between FOSS users here...what is agreed though are
>> there are certain types of Microsoft advocates.
>
> LOL!!! The herd mentality definitely exists. You are sadly mistaken.

Of course it does. The evidence is overwhelming. Goblin has seen it but
chooses to ignore it... as in not even respond. He has no refutation. Nor do
any of the other COLA "advocates".

>> There are those like
>> Marti, who is a nice chap and choses to use a Microsoft product, then
>> theres you.
>
> Both Marti and I have advocated for linux for many years, yet one
> positive praise or purchase of an MS product puts one on the herds shitlist.

Perhaps more than one... but not many. Yup.

>> There's flatfish and there's all the others who can't post
>> in a decent way and seek only to make peoples lives miserable here.
>
> That is because people like you have ridiculed their posts, knowing full
> well that they are just as guilty of doing the same thing only not
> mentioning it here.

Goblin defends the COLA "advocates" as if they are better - when the
objective evidence shows they act in a more aggressive way. Does not mean I
agree with all of flatfish's behavior - I most certainly do not (nor he with
my behavior). But to pretend either of us is worse than the COLA "advocates"
is just silly and unsupportable.

>>> What happened to Marti happened to me as well... just to set the
>>> record straight.
>>
>> Really? Yet Marti doesn't behave like you. Why is that?
>
> In what way does he behave differently, timmy?

No: you two behave exactly the same. You are the same person. Wait. No?

Oh.

Maybe you act differently because you are *not* the same person.

What a concept!


--
Bilk pushes fictions offensive to the victim of 9-11, as discussed in detail
here: <http://bit.ly/Y741mf>. Given Bilk's running from those comments there
is no reason to think he believes his claims are true. He is simply mocking
a horrible event.

[Snit]

On 5/24/13 4:52 PM, in article 47udnc1aOfOpYALM...@bresnan.com,

"GreyCloud" <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:

>>> Interesting how after years of homophobic attacks against you, the
>>> Microsoft Advocates have gone silent....maybe thats because it was
>>> always about what your software choices were.
>>
>> Interesting too, that "Marti" now chats with the trolls who made the
>> homophobic attacks against him, like they're old friends.
>> (A google search shows this.)
>>
>
> Show me where I had made any such attack?

I would love to see this.

But he will never even try. Very predictable.

[Hadron]

Goblin <bytes...@googlemail.com> writes:

> On 24/05/13 19:35, Marti Van Lin wrote:
>> What else did you expect? Everyone who disagrees whit [H]omer gets the boot.
>
> Thats a little unfair Marti since I left on account of my views on a more
> diverse software eccosystem was in conflict with that G+ group.

You mean everyone got bored with egotistical self references an "me me
me" posts all the time.

>
>> It is as if Goblin (who was notably a moderator in both groups) and I never existed.
>
> Since I (and I believe you too) still have most of the COLA regulars on our G+
> accounts then the only person who doesn't "exist" will be Homer. Since his an my
> views on freedom of opinion differ greatly I blocked him I don't have time for
> anyone who would seek to silence an inconvenient view.

Which would be most advocates. Dont you see your buddy Creepy Chris
Ahlstrom boasting about his killfiles?

Sure you do.

--
A certain COLA "advocate" faking his user-agent in order to pretend to be a Linux
user: User-Agent: Outlook 5.5 (WinNT 5.0), User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0
(Linux), Message-ID: <wPGdnd3NnOM...@comcast.com>

[Hadron]

Goblin <bytes...@googlemail.com> writes:

> On 24/05/13 22:06, GreyCloud wrote:
>> And also very interesting in the fact that since 1998 I was advocating
>> for Linux till I decided to get a new PC with Win7 on it. I was in good
>> stead till then.
>
> No. All it takes is anyone to look back at how you post. You are very
> different from someone who merely makes a choice and uses another solution.
>
> In anycase, even Hadron didn't believe you were the real "Greycloud"....I
> personally see it as no relevance since its HOW you post, not the topic you are
> posting about.

Exactly. Its the style. Same for sMarti.

>
>> And you still use a broad paint brush to label everyone that disagrees with the herd
>
> Well time and again the "herd" is proved not to exist since there's diversity of
> opinion between FOSS users here...what is agreed though are there are
> certain

Rubbish. The herd is very very visible.

> types of Microsoft advocates. There are those like Marti, who is a nice chap
> and choses to use a Microsoft product, then theres you. There's flatfish and
> there's all the others who can't post in a decent way and seek only to make
> peoples lives miserable here.
>
>> What happened to Marti happened to me as well... just to set the record straight.
>
> Really? Yet Marti doesn't behave like you. Why is that?

You know little of sMarti's posts if you think that.

[Goblin]

On 25/05/13 09:11, Hadron wrote:
> Which would be most advocates. Dont you see your buddy Creepy Chris
> Ahlstrom boasting about his killfiles?
>
> Sure you do.

You are slow aren't you Hadron.

Stopping YOURSELF from seeing posts from Microsoft Advocates like you,
is very different to stopping OTHERS from seeing posts by Microsoft
Advocates like you.

Chris prevents himself from suffering the vile posts of people like you.
He doesn't stop other people from seeing them.

After a brief stint away Hadron, you don't seem to have gained any
common sense.

[William Poaster]

Goblin wrote:

> On 25/05/13 09:11, Hadron wrote:
>> Which would be most advocates. Dont you see your buddy Creepy Chris
>> Ahlstrom boasting about his killfiles?
>>
>> Sure you do.
>
> You are slow aren't you Hadron.
>
> Stopping YOURSELF from seeing posts from Microsoft Advocates like you,
> is very different to stopping OTHERS from seeing posts by Microsoft
> Advocates like you.

Like all trolls, "Hadron" hates being binned. You'd think he'd be used to
it by now, as (according to posters in other groups) it's quite a common
occurence for him.

"I have him killfiled over being a rabid Win-troll in a number of groups
whenever his C.O.L.A. buddies are on a trolling spree again, in addition
to the fact that he's simply an ill-mannered, ill-educated, arrogant and
shamelessly lying character. I see him being cocky and abusive to other
people as well in what they quote from his posts, so I'm apparently not
the only one who doesn't like Hadron.

He has already quite abundantly expressed his frustration with his being
killfiled...."
Message-ID: <id18t3$k1i$1...@news.eternal-september.org>

"You're still an arrogant prick full of himself and your shitty attitude
does far more harm than good. Sent to /dev/null."
Message-ID: <1k4eg4....@news.alt.net>

"It just makes him even more of an asshole. Reading even a quote of his
posts is as unpleasant as discovering dogshit in the house."
<slrnic3ldk.j...@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net>

Etc, etc..

> Chris prevents himself from suffering the vile posts of people like you.
> He doesn't stop other people from seeing them.
>
> After a brief stint away Hadron, you don't seem to have gained any
> common sense.

For that, you'd need more than one braincell.


--
1f u c4n r34d th1s u r34lly n33d t0 g37 l41d

[Snit]

On 5/25/13 1:12 AM, in article c3zjvjs...@news.eternal-september.org,

"Hadron" <hadro...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Goblin <bytes...@googlemail.com> writes:
>
>> On 24/05/13 22:06, GreyCloud wrote:
>>> And also very interesting in the fact that since 1998 I was advocating
>>> for Linux till I decided to get a new PC with Win7 on it. I was in good
>>> stead till then.
>>
>> No. All it takes is anyone to look back at how you post. You are very
>> different from someone who merely makes a choice and uses another solution.
>>
>> In anycase, even Hadron didn't believe you were the real "Greycloud"....I
>> personally see it as no relevance since its HOW you post, not the topic you
>> are
>> posting about.
>
> Exactly. Its the style. Same for sMarti.
>
>>
>>> And you still use a broad paint brush to label everyone that disagrees with
>>> the herd
>>
>> Well time and again the "herd" is proved not to exist since there's diversity
>> of
>> opinion between FOSS users here...what is agreed though are there are
>> certain
>
> Rubbish. The herd is very very visible.

Absolutely.

>> types of Microsoft advocates. There are those like Marti, who is a nice chap
>> and choses to use a Microsoft product, then theres you. There's flatfish and
>> there's all the others who can't post in a decent way and seek only to make
>> peoples lives miserable here.
>>
>>> What happened to Marti happened to me as well... just to set the record
>>> straight.
>>
>> Really? Yet Marti doesn't behave like you. Why is that?
>
> You know little of sMarti's posts if you think that.
>



--

"I started Linux as a desktop operating system. And it's the only area
where Linux hasn't completely taken over. That just annoys the hell out
of me." -- Linus Torvalds

[flatfish+++]

Greycloud, Marti and philo *are* the real people and not imposters.
The one item the FOSSies purposely ignore is the fact that if any of
them were being impersonated, the real person would have been here
complaining.

Add to that the ISP, especially for greycloud, points to the correct
geo location. Also a person would have to have done a lot of research
to pull this off.
Not possible and especially for someone like greycloud who is a nuts
and bolts person with a long history in technology (Digital DEC, SUN
etc) over various platforms.

Hadron is mistaken IMHO.

The FOSSies are pulling the "imposter" card for two reasons.

1. They can't fathom someone leaving their little cult.

2. It gives the person (Grey, philo, marti) a built in escape
mechanism should they change their mind about Linux. They can simply
"re-appear" as the "real" person and claim they were impersonated or
that it was a big joke, a troll so to speak, and the herd will eat it
up by forgiving them.

Of the 3, so far, Marti is most likely to come back to Linux full
time.

To me it doesn't matter. I suspect Marti is discovering the wonderful
composition and recording software that Windows has and is broadening
his horizons. Linux just can't compete in that area.

[Cola Zealot]

flatfish+++ wrote:
> On Fri, 24 May 2013 15:06:52 -0600, GreyCloud wrote:

>
>> On 5/24/2013 1:24 PM, Goblin wrote:
>>> On 24/05/13 19:35, Marti Van Lin wrote:
>>>> What else did you expect? Everyone who disagrees whit [H]omer gets
>>>> the boot.
>>>
>>> Thats a little unfair Marti since I left on account of my views on a
>>> more diverse software eccosystem was in conflict with that G+ group.
>>>

>>>> It is as if Goblin (who was notably a moderator in both groups)
>>>> and I never existed.
>>>
>>> Since I (and I believe you too) still have most of the COLA
>>> regulars on our G+ accounts then the only person who doesn't
>>> "exist" will be Homer. Since his an my views on freedom of
>>> opinion differ greatly I blocked him I don't have time for anyone
>>> who would seek to silence an inconvenient view.
>>>

>>> As for almost everyone else on COLA I come into contact with, they
>>> are quite willing to accept other views, even if they don't agree.
>>>
>>> As for you an Windows Marti, good for you! I have no issues with
>>> what you advocate since your behaviour is hardly anything like the
>>> Microsoft Advocates we know and "love" here.
>>>

>>> Interesting how after years of homophobic attacks against you, the
>>> Microsoft Advocates have gone silent....maybe thats because it was
>>> always about what your software choices were.
>>>
>>>
>>

>> And also very interesting in the fact that since 1998 I was
>> advocating for Linux till I decided to get a new PC with Win7 on it.

>> I was in good stead till then. And you still use a broad paint
>> brush to label everyone that disagrees with the herd, and call them

>> Microsoft Advocates. What happened to Marti happened to me as

>> well... just to set the record straight.
>

> And philo as well.

philo is a much better Linux advocate than Creepy Ahlstrom, because he
actually does a lot of work using Linux, unlike Creepy Ahlstrom.
Still Creepy Ahlstrom calls him "philthy philo" just to please the likes of
"7", Homer and turdv!

[flatfish+++]

Yep.

Chris Ahlstrom is weak, spineless and scared.

At least philo, Greycloud, Marti and others have the testicular
fortitude to tell the truth about Linux rather than LIEing for LIEnux
just to please the cult.

[GreyCloud]

On 5/25/2013 2:22 AM, Goblin wrote:
> On 25/05/13 09:11, Hadron wrote:
>> Which would be most advocates. Dont you see your buddy Creepy Chris
>> Ahlstrom boasting about his killfiles?
>>
>> Sure you do.
>
> You are slow aren't you Hadron.
>
> Stopping YOURSELF from seeing posts from Microsoft Advocates like you,
> is very different to stopping OTHERS from seeing posts by Microsoft
> Advocates like you.
>

Can't you read his headers? Looks pretty much like he is using linux.
But then we don't see chrisvs headers ever showing anything linux.
And I don't see any MS advocates around. Maybe you should change your
thinking and just consider that if *you* advocate for freedom of choice,
then windows, Apple, and others should be included, not excluded from
the choices available. What works for one won't work for another.
That's why there are more than one os out there.

> Chris prevents himself from suffering the vile posts of people like you.
> He doesn't stop other people from seeing them.
>

The only so-called vile post that you seem think is so vile is Chris
making a living QAing MS software and being called out on it.

> After a brief stint away Hadron, you don't seem to have gained any
> common sense.
>

So far it looks like all forms of common sense has left you.

[Snit]

On 5/25/13 6:06 AM, in article 132ljndypiv6s$.wd51l4o4h0xr$.d...@40tude.net,

+1

[Snit]

On 5/25/13 12:03 PM, in article
B-idnWx61YhjlzzM...@bresnan.com, "GreyCloud" <mi...@cumulus.com>
wrote:

> On 5/25/2013 2:22 AM, Goblin wrote:
>> On 25/05/13 09:11, Hadron wrote:
>>> Which would be most advocates. Dont you see your buddy Creepy Chris
>>> Ahlstrom boasting about his killfiles?
>>>
>>> Sure you do.
>>
>> You are slow aren't you Hadron.
>>
>> Stopping YOURSELF from seeing posts from Microsoft Advocates like you,
>> is very different to stopping OTHERS from seeing posts by Microsoft
>> Advocates like you.
>>
>
> Can't you read his headers? Looks pretty much like he is using linux.
> But then we don't see chrisvs headers ever showing anything linux.
> And I don't see any MS advocates around. Maybe you should change your
> thinking and just consider that if *you* advocate for freedom of choice,
> then windows, Apple, and others should be included, not excluded from
> the choices available. What works for one won't work for another.
> That's why there are more than one os out there.

Choice is good ... as long as you make the *right* choice.

To be fair, Goblin has spoken about he he thinks it is fine for people to
use other OSs (OS X, Windows, iOS, etc.)

>> Chris prevents himself from suffering the vile posts of people like you.
>> He doesn't stop other people from seeing them.
>>
>
> The only so-called vile post that you seem think is so vile is Chris
> making a living QAing MS software and being called out on it.
>
>> After a brief stint away Hadron, you don't seem to have gained any
>> common sense.
>>
> So far it looks like all forms of common sense has left you.
>
>

--
"Necrophilia would be my second choice for what should be done with my
corpse, the first being scientific or medical use." -- Richard Stallman

[chrisv]

Gregory Shearman wrote:

> Goblin wrote:
>>
>> On 24/05/13 23:01, William Poaster wrote:
>>>
>>> Interesting too, that "Marti" now chats with the trolls who made the
>>> homophobic attacks against him, like they're old friends.

Bigots and filthy liars, and "Marti" is sucking-up to them. That is
unforgivable, whatever what OS someone may prefer.

>> But I think that just highlights Marti being a nice guy....most people
>> would never forgive for the years of insults....maybe despite what we
>> know the Microsoft Advocates are capable of, for Marti and his
>> experiences, he is willing to forgive and forget. That's his choice,
>> but the slimey nature of the Microsoft Advocates cannot be hidden, what
>> they said to him for years on end is all a matter of record now.
>
>I think it points to "Marti" being a completely different poster.
>
>Either that or someone scooped out his brain and replaced it with a COLA
>troll.

Yes, one of the two.

--
"You try to make it sound like creating the worlds largest software
company is no big deal." - trolling fsckwit "Ezekiel", lying
shamelessly

[GreyCloud]