[News] [Rival] Apple HypeMacs MIA
Roy Schestowitz
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Apple delays shipping broken Imacs
,----[ Quote ]
| FRUITY PURVEYOR of cracked Imacs, Apple has
| decided not to ship any more of the machines
| for a couple of weeks.
|
| On its webgroup, Jobs' Mob said sorry to
| customers amid reports of shipping delays
| affecting its recently introduced Imac
| computers.
`----
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1566027/apple-delays-shipping-broken-imacs
Recent:
Macs not all that for reliability
,----[ Quote ]
| A survey of 30,000 laptops has found one in three
| machines die within three years and netbooks do even
| worse, suffering 20 per cent more hardware failures than
| larger laptop machines.
`----
http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/11/18/laptop_reliable/
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Ian Hilliard
This is a somewhat dodgy report from a company that sells extended
warranties. It does not indicate what sort of problems these machines
have. It could well be that battery problems or sticky keys are rated
equally with failed mainboards.
What I can say is I have had three Toshiba laptops and they have all
died shortly after the three year warranty expired. In each case, it was
the video that died.
Unless Asus have upped their game, I find it somewhat suspicious that
they are rated as most reliable, as they used to be very bad.
Most of the people who have MacBooks only complain of the battery giving
problems. My wife's MacBook Pro is five years old and still going strong.
In the end, this white paper is really about trying to convince people
to buy expensive extended warranties, which in most cases are of no
value at all.
Ian
High Plains Thumper
> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>
>> Apple delays shipping broken Imacs
>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>> FRUITY PURVEYOR of cracked Imacs, Apple has decided not to ship
>>> any more of the machines for a couple of weeks. On its webgroup,
>>> Jobs' Mob said sorry to customers amid reports of shipping
>>> delays affecting its recently introduced Imac computers.
>> `----
>>
>> http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1566027/apple-delays-shipping-broken-imacs
>>
>> Recent:
>>
>> Macs not all that for reliability
>>
>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>> A survey of 30,000 laptops has found one in three machines die
>>> within three years and netbooks do even worse, suffering 20
>> `----
>>
>> http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/11/18/laptop_reliable/
Roy, I've noticed you using what appears to be 40 character lines. You
wouldn't happen to be using a Commodore 64 as TTY into your Linux
machine? :-)
> This is a somewhat dodgy report from a company that sells extended
> warranties. It does not indicate what sort of problems these machines
> have. It could well be that battery problems or sticky keys are
> rated equally with failed mainboards.
>
> What I can say is I have had three Toshiba laptops and they have all
> died shortly after the three year warranty expired. In each case, it
> was the video that died.
>
> Unless Asus have upped their game, I find it somewhat suspicious that
> they are rated as most reliable, as they used to be very bad.
>
> Most of the people who have MacBooks only complain of the battery
> giving problems. My wife's MacBook Pro is five years old and still
> going strong.
>
> In the end, this white paper is really about trying to convince
> people to buy expensive extended warranties, which in most cases are
> of no value at all.
I think Apple has had better hardware reliability than Microsoft's Zune
and Xbox. After reading the horror stories, I am glad I don't have
either of those products in my home.
An odd occurrence happened with my dual boot Acer Aspire One netbook.
It appeared to be DOA. Then I did a net search, found it was possibly a
BIOS bug. I downloaded the new BIOS, saved to a USB stick. Then
followed directions.
Lo and behold, the system came to life. Apparently, once the battery
died, the bug prevented the netbook from properly charging and from
starting up with a dead battery, although connected to the charger.
I have been happy with the netbook, except it has about an hour and half
of battery life. The additional memory and hard drive so it could be
sold with Windows XP is a drain on battery life.
The Linux netbooks here in US have dried up except for OEM's like Dell.
It is rather sad that apparently, uncompetitive measures through special
deals (and I would not be surprised of unfavourable business threats)
have taken their toll, causing harm to the consumer.
AFAIK, Windows 7 does not run on a true, lite netbook. Also equally
disparaging is the lack of the ARM netbook in US, which would have been
a hit I believe, similar to the inexpensive 8-bit home computers that
showed up in the early 1980's. Those home computers taught many the
rudiments of computer language through BASIC and embedded hand assembly,
addressing memory, I/O and graphics, and etc.
Thus, advanced hardware along with expensive software is not necessarily
what the consumer wants. I believe the days of the thick computer are
coming to a close, except for hindrances through artificially created
legal entanglements and monopoly maintenances.
--
HPT
Chris Ahlstrom
> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>
>> Macs not all that for reliability
>>
>> ,----[ Quote ]
>> | A survey of 30,000 laptops has found one in three
>> | machines die within three years and netbooks do even
>> | worse, suffering 20 per cent more hardware failures than
>> | larger laptop machines.
>> `----
>>
>> http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/11/18/laptop_reliable/
>
> This is a somewhat dodgy report from a company that sells extended
> warranties. It does not indicate what sort of problems these machines
> have. It could well be that battery problems or sticky keys are rated
> equally with failed mainboards.
>
> What I can say is I have had three Toshiba laptops and they have all
> died shortly after the three year warranty expired. In each case, it was
> the video that died.
>
> Unless Asus have upped their game, I find it somewhat suspicious that
> they are rated as most reliable, as they used to be very bad.
>
> Most of the people who have MacBooks only complain of the battery giving
> problems. My wife's MacBook Pro is five years old and still going strong.
>
> In the end, this white paper is really about trying to convince people
> to buy expensive extended warranties, which in most cases are of no
> value at all.
I noticed yesterday that my Acer wasn't showing eth0. I'd seen that before,
when I booted to Fedora's stock kernel, in the 2.6.30 series, instead of
my custom kernel (2.6.31). The difference was that I'd since deleted my
custom kernel. I thought it a good time to see if I could get the wired
adapter working on the Fedora kernel. Couldn't see it in Network Manager.
Couldn't see it with ifconfig. So I did an lspci and saw no sign
of the wired NIC!
I booted to Win 7 and went to the Device Manager, and saw no sign of it
there. WTF?
No light at the switch port, though there was a light on the jack on the
laptop. (Turned out to be a bad wire.)
I asked a colleague what he thought was going on, and he said, "Your NIC is
fried, dude". Puzzling, since I mostly use wireless on this lappy.
Anyway, I pack up and go home, and build a 2.6.32 kernel from my custom
2.6.31 ".config". Now I do see eth0 and the "Attansic" hardware in lspci.
Then I boot to the stock Fedora kernel and still see eth0. So I have a
little puzzle to play with. Perhaps the wired NIC is intermittent.
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Roy Schestowitz
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____/ High Plains Thumper on Tuesday 15 Dec 2009 12:33 : \____
> Ian Hilliard wrote:
>> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>
>>> Apple delays shipping broken Imacs
>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>>> FRUITY PURVEYOR of cracked Imacs, Apple has decided not to ship
>>>> any more of the machines for a couple of weeks. On its webgroup,
>>>> Jobs' Mob said sorry to customers amid reports of shipping
>>>> delays affecting its recently introduced Imac computers.
>>> `----
>>>
>>> http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1566027/apple-delays-shipping-broken-imacs
>>>
>>> Recent:
>>>
>>> Macs not all that for reliability
>>>
>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>>> A survey of 30,000 laptops has found one in three machines die
>>>> within three years and netbooks do even worse, suffering 20
>>>> percent more hardware failures than larger laptop machines.
>>> `----
>>>
>>> http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/11/18/laptop_reliable/
>
> Roy, I've noticed you using what appears to be 40 character lines. You
> wouldn't happen to be using a Commodore 64 as TTY into your Linux
> machine? :-)
I modified the settings/preferences because KNode in KDE4 works differently.
>> This is a somewhat dodgy report from a company that sells extended
>> warranties. It does not indicate what sort of problems these machines
>> have. It could well be that battery problems or sticky keys are
>> rated equally with failed mainboards.
>>
>> What I can say is I have had three Toshiba laptops and they have all
>> died shortly after the three year warranty expired. In each case, it
>> was the video that died.
>>
>> Unless Asus have upped their game, I find it somewhat suspicious that
>> they are rated as most reliable, as they used to be very bad.
>>
>> Most of the people who have MacBooks only complain of the battery
>> giving problems. My wife's MacBook Pro is five years old and still
>> going strong.
>>
>> In the end, this white paper is really about trying to convince
>> people to buy expensive extended warranties, which in most cases are
>> of no value at all.
>
> I think Apple has had better hardware reliability than Microsoft's Zune
> and Xbox. After reading the horror stories, I am glad I don't have
> either of those products in my home.
Indeed. A Toshiba laptop also comes with Linux and Solaris (yes, they sold
some preinstalled).
Does Apple just offshore all its actual hardware development to Foxconn et al?
It is possible that Apple uses the very same components as a "PC"... made in
the very same factories on the same assembly lines in fact.
Apple makes its casing too in Asia.
> An odd occurrence happened with my dual boot Acer Aspire One netbook.
> It appeared to be DOA. Then I did a net search, found it was possibly a
> BIOS bug. I downloaded the new BIOS, saved to a USB stick. Then
> followed directions.
>
> Lo and behold, the system came to life. Apparently, once the battery
> died, the bug prevented the netbook from properly charging and from
> starting up with a dead battery, although connected to the charger.
>
> I have been happy with the netbook, except it has about an hour and half
> of battery life. The additional memory and hard drive so it could be
> sold with Windows XP is a drain on battery life.
>
> The Linux netbooks here in US have dried up except for OEM's like Dell.
You can't extrapolate from that. Linux laptops (not just netbooks) are hot
in Germany and France, for example.
> It is rather sad that apparently, uncompetitive measures through special
> deals (and I would not be surprised of unfavourable business threats)
> have taken their toll, causing harm to the consumer.
>
> AFAIK, Windows 7 does not run on a true, lite netbook. Also equally
> disparaging is the lack of the ARM netbook in US, which would have been
> a hit I believe, similar to the inexpensive 8-bit home computers that
> showed up in the early 1980's. Those home computers taught many the
> rudiments of computer language through BASIC and embedded hand assembly,
> addressing memory, I/O and graphics, and etc.
>
> Thus, advanced hardware along with expensive software is not necessarily
> what the consumer wants. I believe the days of the thick computer are
> coming to a close, except for hindrances through artificially created
> legal entanglements and monopoly maintenances.
These monopolies are probably not seen as "bad" by those who run things.
http://mitworld.mit.edu/video/182
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Roy Schestowitz
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____/ Chris Ahlstrom on Tuesday 15 Dec 2009 12:51 : \____
Some months ago when I booted Mandriva on my brother's laptop it 'disabled'
the wireless switch (digital switch, not mechanical). It took almost an
hour to figure this out.
You say Windows had the same issue. Could there be something beyond software here?
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JEDIDIAH
>
>
>
> ____/ Chris Ahlstrom on Tuesday 15 Dec 2009 12:51 : \____
>
>> Ian Hilliard pulled this Usenet boner:
>>
>>> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>>
>>
>> Anyway, I pack up and go home, and build a 2.6.32 kernel from my custom
>> 2.6.31 ".config". Now I do see eth0 and the "Attansic" hardware in lspci.
>>
>> Then I boot to the stock Fedora kernel and still see eth0. So I have a
>> little puzzle to play with. Perhaps the wired NIC is intermittent.
>
> Some months ago when I booted Mandriva on my brother's laptop it 'disabled'
> the wireless switch (digital switch, not mechanical). It took almost an
> hour to figure this out.
>
> You say Windows had the same issue. Could there be something beyond software here?
We get all of this nonsense and noise about problems that require in depth
technical knowledge and perhaps a bit of voodoo and you get conditioned against
checking for the obvious simple solution.
[deletia]
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Snit
12/15/09 5:33 AM:
> The Linux netbooks here in US have dried up except for OEM's like Dell.
> It is rather sad that apparently, uncompetitive measures through special
> deals (and I would not be surprised of unfavourable business threats)
> have taken their toll, causing harm to the consumer.
Or, perhaps, people just were not buying them.
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Chris Ahlstrom
> ____/ Chris Ahlstrom on Tuesday 15 Dec 2009 12:51 : \____
>
>> Then I boot to the stock Fedora kernel and still see eth0. So I have a
>> little puzzle to play with. Perhaps the wired NIC is intermittent.
>
> Some months ago when I booted Mandriva on my brother's laptop it 'disabled'
> the wireless switch (digital switch, not mechanical). It took almost an
> hour to figure this out.
>
> You say Windows had the same issue. Could there be something beyond
> software here?
I think so.
--
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It came down to a phonecall with "Windows people". They couldn't figure it out.
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High Plains Thumper
> High Plains Thumper on Tuesday:
>
>> Roy, I've noticed you using what appears to be 40 character lines.
>> You wouldn't happen to be using a Commodore 64 as TTY into your
>> Linux machine? :-)
>
> I modified the settings/preferences because KNode in KDE4 works
> differently.
Okay, nothing wrong with that. Perhaps a preference style as the mark
of a signature?
>>> This is a somewhat dodgy report from a company that sells
>>> extended warranties. It does not indicate what sort of problems
>>> these machines have. It could well be that battery problems or
>>> sticky keys are rated equally with failed mainboards.
>>>
>>> What I can say is I have had three Toshiba laptops and they have
>>> all died shortly after the three year warranty expired. In each
>>> case, it was the video that died.
>>>
>>> Unless Asus have upped their game, I find it somewhat suspicious
>>> that they are rated as most reliable, as they used to be very
>>> bad.
>>>
>>> Most of the people who have MacBooks only complain of the battery
>>> giving problems. My wife's MacBook Pro is five years old and
>>> still going strong.
>>>
>>> In the end, this white paper is really about trying to convince
>>> people to buy expensive extended warranties, which in most cases
>>> are of no value at all.
>>
>> I think Apple has had better hardware reliability than Microsoft's
>> Zune and Xbox. After reading the horror stories, I am glad I don't
>> have either of those products in my home.
>
> Indeed. A Toshiba laptop also comes with Linux and Solaris (yes, they
> sold some preinstalled).
>
> Does Apple just offshore all its actual hardware development to
> Foxconn et al?
That I really don't know and haven't followed up on.
> It is possible that Apple uses the very same components as a "PC"...
> made in the very same factories on the same assembly lines in fact.
>
> Apple makes its casing too in Asia.
Many of the manufacturers are using China factories, because they
produce quality items at a considerable savings, considering the labour
factor.I bought a Roland GW-7 MIDI keyboard for $729 US with free
shipping on closeout. It is made in China. If it were made in Japan,
would be about $400 US more, IMHO.
>> An odd occurrence happened with my dual boot Acer Aspire One
>> netbook. It appeared to be DOA. Then I did a net search, found it
>> was possibly a BIOS bug. I downloaded the new BIOS, saved to a USB
>> stick. Then followed directions.
>>
>> Lo and behold, the system came to life. Apparently, once the
>> battery died, the bug prevented the netbook from properly charging
>> and from starting up with a dead battery, although connected to the
>> charger.
>>
>> I have been happy with the netbook, except it has about an hour and
>> half of battery life. The additional memory and hard drive so it
>> could be sold with Windows XP is a drain on battery life.
>>
>> The Linux netbooks here in US have dried up except for OEM's like
>> Dell.
>
> You can't extrapolate from that. Linux laptops (not just netbooks)
> are hot in Germany and France, for example.
I think the German law is more progressively fair than US. After all,
they ruled the Microsoft FAT patent as invalid (based on prior art and
easy to duplicate, AFAIK).
>> It is rather sad that apparently, uncompetitive measures through
>> special deals (and I would not be surprised of unfavourable
>> business threats) have taken their toll, causing harm to the
>> consumer.
>>
>> AFAIK, Windows 7 does not run on a true, lite netbook. Also
>> equally disparaging is the lack of the ARM netbook in US, which
>> would have been a hit I believe, similar to the inexpensive 8-bit
>> home computers that showed up in the early 1980's. Those home
>> computers taught many the rudiments of computer language through
>> BASIC and embedded hand assembly, addressing memory, I/O and
>> graphics, and etc.
>>
>> Thus, advanced hardware along with expensive software is not
>> necessarily what the consumer wants. I believe the days of the
>> thick computer are coming to a close, except for hindrances through
>> artificially created legal entanglements and monopoly maintenances.
>>
>>
> These monopolies are probably not seen as "bad" by those who run
> things. http://mitworld.mit.edu/video/182
Of course. Despotic rulers thought similar, that their actions were not
seen as bad but justified. That didn't make it any more right.
--
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Hadron
The human rights violations and the slave labour there does not in any
way prompt you to support your own economy I take it?
Of course not. You are a freetard.
Post that link again to where you get your SW : you know the warez site
where you are a member. LOL.
Roy Schestowitz
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____/ High Plains Thumper on Thursday 17 Dec 2009 01:14 : \____
Maybe leaders and rulers too should be offshored... for savings... of
the nation.
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High Plains Thumper
> High Plains Thumper on Thursday:
>> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>
>>> These monopolies are probably not seen as "bad" by those who run
>>> things. http://mitworld.mit.edu/video/182
>>
>> Of course. Despotic rulers thought similar, that their actions
>> were not seen as bad but justified. That didn't make it any more
>> right.
>
> Maybe leaders and rulers too should be offshored... for savings... of
> the nation.
Well, in US we could offshore them to Liverpool, but then I would sense
a royal protest. :-)
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Tim Smith
Roy Schestowitz <newsg...@schestowitz.com> wrote:
>
> Macs not all that for reliability
>
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | A survey of 30,000 laptops has found one in three
> | machines die within three years and netbooks do even
> | worse, suffering 20 per cent more hardware failures than
> | larger laptop machines.
> `----
>
> http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/11/18/laptop_reliable/
Let's look at the next couple of paragraph, shall we?
Apple is fourth placed for reliability behind, in ascending order,
Sony, Toshiba and in first place Asus. To be fair to Apple there's
not much in it - 15.6 per cent of Asus machines are expected to
malfunction within three years, compared to 17.4 per cent of Apple
laptops. Worst performer is HP - 25.6 per cent of its machines are
expected to break within three years.
Firmly in the middle is Dell with an expected failure rate of 18.3
per cent, Lenovo with 21.5 per cent and Acer with 23.3 per cent
failing within three years.
When the range is from 15.6% to 25.6%, it is very misleading to claim
that 17.5% is bad. Are you even capable of posting without being
misleading, or have you gotten so used to it that it comes automatically
now?
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Hadron
Roy is a bullshitting idiot. Simple. Hence the only people who shill
him are Marti and Liarnut : both too stupid to value their own
reputation and both rarely, if ever, read what they reply to.
JEDIDIAH
Bad or good, it certainly deflates the myth that Apples are somehow
the computing equivalent of Ferarris or BMWs. They are made up of the
same cheap components from the same Chinese factories as any other PC.
An nv9400 GPU in a Mac is no more or less likely to spontaneously combust
than any other nv9400 GPU.
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"JEDIDIAH" <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
news:slrnhiki6...@nomad.mishnet...
since when are other laptop cases individually *milled* from a solid block
of aluminum?
http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/design.html
chrisv
> Bad or good, it certainly deflates the myth that Apples are somehow
>the computing equivalent of Ferarris or BMWs. They are made up of the
>same cheap components from the same Chinese factories as any other PC.
>An nv9400 GPU in a Mac is no more or less likely to spontaneously combust
>than any other nv9400 GPU.
Well, in theory they could take that "extra" money they get for their
products, and build them to a higher standard (e.g. better cooling),
which could improve reliability.
However, it seems that it is in their best interests to instead push
the envelope in the areas of size and weight.
wispygalaxy
Roy is a decent and honest person and wouldn't try to mislead anyone. The
facts that Roy reports stand on their own merit.
Hadron
OK. I admit it. I apologise for the other post. You're trolling! LOL!
You had me there for a minute. I thought you were being serious.
Tim Smith
wispygalaxy <wispy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Roy is a decent and honest person and wouldn't try to mislead anyone. The
> facts that Roy reports stand on their own merit.
Then how do you explain this?
<http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/02/eclipse-infighting-and-microsoft/>
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JEDIDIAH
Surrre...
Because a BMW or a Ferrari is all about how they put the outer shell of the
body together.
>
> http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/design.html
>
>
>
>
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One Shot, One Kill
"JEDIDIAH" <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
the chasis of a car is every bit as important as the chasis of a laptop.
you're a complete moron for claiming that macs "are made of the same cheap
components from the same Chinese factories as any other PC." i've already
proved you to be completely clueless in regards to the chasis. do show all
these other PC's that use the same frame that is milled from a solid block
of aluminum. or show these other PCs that have the same display resolution,
low weight and high screen resolution.
figures that an idiot like you would now try to back peddle and somehow
claim that it doesn't matter if the chasis is made from solid aluminum or
cheap molded plastic.
>> http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/design.html
watch the video on this page and you might actually learn a thing or two.
then again, I doubt that your little toy computer can play quick-time videos
so you probably can't.
wispygalaxy
> Roy is a decent and honest person and wouldn't try to mislead anyone. The
> facts that Roy reports stand on their own merit.
This message was forged.
chrisv
>> since when are other laptop cases individually *milled* from a solid block
>> of aluminum?
>
>Surrre...
>
>Because a BMW or a Ferrari is all about how they put the outer shell of the
>body together.
Well, it can't be denied that that's a higher standard of build
quality...