Direction of xorg?
Norman Peelman
> Expect hellish consequences soon as the "xorg.conf" free Xorgs role >out.
Not sure what direction xorg is going in. Anyone care to explain the
desire of xorg to assume so much?
--
Norman
Registered Linux user #461062
Chris Ahlstrom
> Hadron said:
> > Expect hellish consequences soon as the "xorg.conf" free Xorgs role >out.
>
> Not sure what direction xorg is going in. Anyone care to explain the
> desire of xorg to assume so much?
Who knows what "Hadron" is gibbering about? "Article has no parent
reference".
I'm actually liking being able to start without an xorg.conf, and then
making one with the bare minimum needed to get the video arrangement to
work.
And then using xrandr to set up multiple monitors.
A step forward, even if there are issues, in my opinion.
--
If one cannot enjoy reading a book over and over again, there is no use
in reading it at all.
-- Oscar Wilde
Hadron
> Hadron said:
> > Expect hellish consequences soon as the "xorg.conf" free Xorgs role >out.
>
> Not sure what direction xorg is going in. Anyone care to explain the
> desire of xorg to assume so much?
google is that-a-way ->
But here's a start because it shows the normal thought processes of it
being good or evil and the swaying of others.
http://linuxtechie.wordpress.com/2009/03/09/no-xorgconf-i-thought-this-was-what-everyone-wanted/
,----
| 2 years ago, back when I started with Linux, everyone made a huge deal
| about editing xorg.conf. The big complaint was that dealing with
| xorg.conf was the biggest thing holding Linux back from making it onto
| the mainstream desktop. A new user would be turned off if they had to
| edit a confusing text file to get their graphics working. If Windows
| doesnt’ need a xorg.conf, we shouldn’t either. And it went on and on.
`----
The problem is of course that when the ever flakey hal or udev fails
following another update then you're f-u-c-k-e-d.
Cue the usual morons to claim it all "works for them" even though their
distro probably hasn't even started using the new approach yet.
I got that when I posted my findings of the UUID adoption way back. But
of course, according to Liarnut and Koehlmann, I don't even use Linux.
Hadron
> Norman Peelman pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>> Hadron said:
>> > Expect hellish consequences soon as the "xorg.conf" free Xorgs role >out.
>>
>> Not sure what direction xorg is going in. Anyone care to explain the
>> desire of xorg to assume so much?
>
> Who knows what "Hadron" is gibbering about? "Article has no parent
> reference".
Google alien to you is it?
>
> I'm actually liking being able to start without an xorg.conf, and then
> making one with the bare minimum needed to get the video arrangement to
> work.
Oh wait? I was gibbering about "who knows" and yet you DO know about it?
LOL. So yet more lies and deceit from you. You did know what I was
"gibbering about".
>
> And then using xrandr to set up multiple monitors.
>
> A step forward, even if there are issues, in my opinion.
What issues "in your opinion". It all just works according to you. Come
on then : what "issues" do YOU have?
Serious Q : where are your metamodes for xrandr to use stored if not in
the xorg.conf?
Lusotec
> The problem is of course that when the ever flakey hal or udev fails
> following another update then you're f-u-c-k-e-d.
>
> Cue the usual morons to claim it all "works for them" even though their
> distro probably hasn't even started using the new approach yet.
The "ever flakey hal or udev" work very well for me so if that is the main
problem a xorg.conf-less Xorg will face I'm good to go. :)
Xorg has had a xorg.conf create feature for a very long time and it works
well for simple setups. From what I have read, in the newer versions, if
Xorg does not find a xorg.conf file then it will internally use this feature
and create a xorg.conf on the fly (even if it does not write it to disk).
With some improvements to the old feature (support for proprietary drivers
being the one I most miss) xorg.conf-less Xorg should be useful. Of course,
Xorg must follow xorg.conf "orders" if the file is present on the system.
Regards.
Hadron
> Hadron wrote:
>> The problem is of course that when the ever flakey hal or udev fails
>> following another update then you're f-u-c-k-e-d.
>>
>> Cue the usual morons to claim it all "works for them" even though their
>> distro probably hasn't even started using the new approach yet.
>
> The "ever flakey hal or udev" work very well for me so if that is the main
> problem a xorg.conf-less Xorg will face I'm good to go. :)
Except its not. As a brief google or even a cursory glance at the link I
posted would tell you.
> Xorg has had a xorg.conf create feature for a very long time and it works
> well for simple setups. From what I have read, in the newer versions,
> if
Simple setups? It's mandatory for complex ones.
> Xorg does not find a xorg.conf file then it will internally use this feature
> and create a xorg.conf on the fly (even if it does not write it to
> disk).
It configures, often incorrectly, on the fly by probing the HW.
>
> With some improvements to the old feature (support for proprietary drivers
> being the one I most miss) xorg.conf-less Xorg should be useful. Of course,
> Xorg must follow xorg.conf "orders" if the file is present on the system.
>
> Regards.
If it doesn't work you're in a right mess. All this "works for me"
doesn't mean diddly to those for who it doesn't.
Hopefully xorg.conf CAN be used as well.
Norman Peelman
> Norman Peelman <npee...@cfl.rr.com> writes:
>
>> Hadron said:
>> > Expect hellish consequences soon as the "xorg.conf" free Xorgs role >out.
>>
>> Not sure what direction xorg is going in. Anyone care to explain the
>> desire of xorg to assume so much?
>
> google is that-a-way ->
Well, I looked to my right and google was not on my other monitor. :)
>
> But here's a start because it shows the normal thought processes of it
> being good or evil and the swaying of others.
>
> http://linuxtechie.wordpress.com/2009/03/09/no-xorgconf-i-thought-this-was-what-everyone-wanted/
>
> ,----
> | 2 years ago, back when I started with Linux, everyone made a huge deal
> | about editing xorg.conf. The big complaint was that dealing with
> | xorg.conf was the biggest thing holding Linux back from making it onto
> | the mainstream desktop. A new user would be turned off if they had to
> | edit a confusing text file to get their graphics working. If Windows
> | doesnt’ need a xorg.conf, we shouldn’t either. And it went on and on.
> `----
>
> The problem is of course that when the ever flakey hal or udev fails
> following another update then you're f-u-c-k-e-d.
>
I'm sure google will tell me but I guess the same would happen when
xorg stops supporting our custom setups.
> Cue the usual morons to claim it all "works for them" even though their
> distro probably hasn't even started using the new approach yet.
>
I'm still on 8.04 and looking to build a multiseat setup. According
to what i've found, the xorg way keeps things simple in that it's easy
to see what is grouped with what. Everything is in the
xorg.config/gdm.config files. How much harder will the new way be, I
wonder?
> I got that when I posted my findings of the UUID adoption way back. But
> of course, according to Liarnut and Koehlmann, I don't even use Linux.
>
--
Marti van Lin
> Hadron said:
> > Expect hellish consequences soon as the "xorg.conf" free Xorgs role
> >out.
>
>
> Not sure what direction xorg is going in. Anyone care to explain the
> desire of xorg to assume so much?
Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic) already ships with a "xorg.conf" free version of
Xorg and to be honest, I'm not happy with that decision.
On my laptop with Nvidia 7000M GPU and 1400x900 LCD screen it works
flawlessly.
On my desktop with Nvidia Geoforce 2 MX400 GPU and 10024x760 CRT screen
it's pretty annoying. Since it starts in the resolution 800x600.
When xorg.conf was still part of xorg, this was only a matter of
starting nvidia-settings as root and clicking the "Save to xorg.conf".
Problem solved...
Since xorg.conf became "obsolete" I have to set the correct resolution
manually after every bootstrap.
--
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|_|_|0| http://sites.google.com/site/ml2mst
|0|0|0| http://osgeex.blogspot.com
Hadron
> Norman Peelman wrote:
>> Hadron said:
>> > Expect hellish consequences soon as the "xorg.conf" free Xorgs role
>> >out.
>>
>>
>> Not sure what direction xorg is going in. Anyone care to explain the
>> desire of xorg to assume so much?
>
> Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic) already ships with a "xorg.conf" free version of
> Xorg and to be honest, I'm not happy with that decision.
>
> On my laptop with Nvidia 7000M GPU and 1400x900 LCD screen it works
> flawlessly.
Why do "advocates" feel the need to add "flawlessly" to everything that
works? its almost as if you were surprised.
>
> On my desktop with Nvidia Geoforce 2 MX400 GPU and 10024x760 CRT screen
> it's pretty annoying. Since it starts in the resolution 800x600.
>
> When xorg.conf was still part of xorg, this was only a matter of
> starting nvidia-settings as root and clicking the "Save to xorg.conf".
> Problem solved...
If it wasn't Ubuntu maybe - else you had to launch it manually with sudo OR
edit the menu to do so.
>
> Since xorg.conf became "obsolete" I have to set the correct resolution
> manually after every bootstrap.
As do many people. Funny how you never mentioned this before. It all
just works for Ahlstrom apparently. Not for many others out there in
google land. I have a pretty complex setup with dual screen and 4
different meta modes I use xrandr to switch between in addition to non
us kbd and I can categorically state it did not work for me when I tried
it on a test pc.
Consider running xrandr from your .xsession or whatever your distro
uses.
William Poaster
> Norman Peelman wrote:
>> Hadron said:
>> > Expect hellish consequences soon as the "xorg.conf" free Xorgs role
>> >out.
>>
>>
>> Not sure what direction xorg is going in. Anyone care to explain the
>> desire of xorg to assume so much?
>
> Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic) already ships with a "xorg.conf" free version of Xorg
> and to be honest, I'm not happy with that decision.
>
> On my laptop with Nvidia 7000M GPU and 1400x900 LCD screen it works
> flawlessly.
>
> On my desktop with Nvidia Geoforce 2 MX400 GPU and 10024x760 CRT screen
> it's pretty annoying. Since it starts in the resolution 800x600.
>
> When xorg.conf was still part of xorg, this was only a matter of starting
> nvidia-settings as root and clicking the "Save to xorg.conf". Problem
> solved...
What I did was, open a terminal & as 'sudo': rename the existing
'xorg.conf' file 'xorg.bak', then run nvidia-settings & set teh resolution
I want, then "Save to X Configuration file". When the dialog box came up,
I saved it as 'xorg.conf'.
When I checked in X11/xorg.conf, nvidia-settings had saved everything:
# nvidia-settings: X configuration file generated by nvidia-settings
# nvidia-settings: version 1.0 (buildd@crested) Sun Feb 1 20:25:37 UTC 2009
Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "Layout0"
Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0
InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer"
EndSection
Section "Files"
EndSection
<snip>
etc...etc...etc.
> Since xorg.conf became "obsolete" I have to set the correct resolution
> manually after every bootstrap.
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Chris Ahlstrom
> Hadron wrote:
>> The problem is of course that when the ever flakey hal or udev fails
>> following another update then you're f-u-c-k-e-d.
>>
>> Cue the usual morons to claim it all "works for them" even though their
>> distro probably hasn't even started using the new approach yet.
>
> The "ever flakey hal or udev" work very well for me so if that is the main
> problem a xorg.conf-less Xorg will face I'm good to go. :)
The only "ever flakey" on is the insane Quark troll. F-u-c-k-e-d!
> Xorg has had a xorg.conf create feature for a very long time and it works
> well for simple setups. From what I have read, in the newer versions, if
> Xorg does not find a xorg.conf file then it will internally use this feature
> and create a xorg.conf on the fly (even if it does not write it to disk).
Anyway can verify this by reading the contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.log, if
they don't have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf present.
> With some improvements to the old feature (support for proprietary drivers
> being the one I most miss) xorg.conf-less Xorg should be useful. Of course,
> Xorg must follow xorg.conf "orders" if the file is present on the system.
--
Never look up when dragons fly overhead.
Marti van Lin
Thanks for your kind help William!
I followed your instructions and it works great ;-)
>> Since xorg.conf became "obsolete" I have to set the correct resolution
>> manually after every bootstrap.
As William Poaster documented, this is where I went wrong. Xorg.conf is
/not/ obsolete in Kubuntu, it's only a lot smaller than in previous
releases.
I apologize to the group and to myself for making such a fool out of myself.
How could I be so stupid to think "Hadron" had a valid argument....
<smashes head against the wall, a couple of times>
:`-(
William Poaster
van Lin was heard to say:
YW. :-)
> I followed your instructions and it works great ;-)
:-)
>>> Since xorg.conf became "obsolete" I have to set the correct resolution
>>> manually after every bootstrap.
>
> As William Poaster documented, this is where I went wrong. Xorg.conf is
> /not/ obsolete in Kubuntu, it's only a lot smaller than in previous
> releases.
>
> I apologize to the group and to myself for making such a fool out of myself.
>
> How could I be so stupid to think "Hadron" had a valid argument....
I'm a little surprised you thought an anti-linux troll like him would have a
valid argument. Don't forget, he only pretends to use linux.
> <smashes head against the wall, a couple of times>
>
> :`-(
>
--
C> ... Formatting Universe, 0.0000000000000000001% complete
Hadron
You mean, err, using an xorg.conf? Rocket science. Nice one Marti.
>
>>> Since xorg.conf became "obsolete" I have to set the correct resolution
>>> manually after every bootstrap.
>
> As William Poaster documented, this is where I went wrong. Xorg.conf is
> /not/ obsolete in Kubuntu, it's only a lot smaller than in previous
> releases.
ONLY YOU said it was obsolete in Ubuntu. No one else.
>
> I apologize to the group and to myself for making such a fool out of
> myself.
Don't. We're used to it Marti :-;
>
> How could I be so stupid to think "Hadron" had a valid argument....
I didn't say it was obsolete you moron. I said it was the direction it
was going in. And your shill Chris already CLAIMS to be xorgless for a
while now. The facts are all here. I know they make your head hurt but
facts are facts.
IF you bothered to read what I posted I said I think an xorg.conf is a
necessity since I dont trust the auto probe stuff : which YOU proved
does not work properly. As I said. Again. Many thanks for the support -
albeit unknowingly to you and the "advocates" as usual-
>
> <smashes head against the wall, a couple of times>
>
> :`-(
Try using google and thinking as opposed to listening to COLA
"advocates".
Here's a hint : I mentioned the way its going. YOU then claimed to be
using no xorg.conf "flawlessly" on one machine and "badly" on
another. YOU stated Kubuntu had gone xorgless. Not me. You.
And of course Ahlstrom came butting in about how it all works for him.
How were you to know not to trust him?
Easy. He posted something ...
Hadron
Don't forget I never claimed Kubuntu was xorgless and I never claimed it
all just worked.
Nice one Dumb Willy. You made a tit of yourself, and Marti, once again!
TomB
>> As William Poaster documented, this is where I went wrong. Xorg.conf is
>> /not/ obsolete in Kubuntu, it's only a lot smaller than in previous
>> releases.
>
> ONLY YOU said it was obsolete in Ubuntu. No one else.
It has nothing to do with the distro being used. Since xorg 7.3 an
xorg.conf file is no longer a necessity. You can still use one if you
like, but you don't have to. On *any* distro.
I know I don't have one anymore on my main box. On the old AMD Duron
upstairs I *do* have one, as the monitor on it (actually a DVD/TV
combo with VGA input) doesn't have EDID info for xorg to use, so I had
to put sync values and all in manually.
--
I find television very educating. Every time somebody turns
on the set, I go into the other room and read a book.
~ Groucho Marx
Hadron
> On 2009-12-17, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>>> As William Poaster documented, this is where I went wrong. Xorg.conf is
>>> /not/ obsolete in Kubuntu, it's only a lot smaller than in previous
>>> releases.
>>
>> ONLY YOU said it was obsolete in Ubuntu. No one else.
>
> It has nothing to do with the distro being used. Since xorg 7.3 an
> xorg.conf file is no longer a necessity. You can still use one if you
> like, but you don't have to. On *any* distro.
Oh for goodness sake. Yes you do. Because it does NOT work properly on
all systems.
Did you not read Marti's post and Willy's instructions?
You guys need to get your stories straight.
Yes it IS being phased out. No it does not work properly yet for any but
the simplest setups generally. Yes there may be exceptions.
>
> I know I don't have one anymore on my main box. On the old AMD Duron
> upstairs I *do* have one, as the monitor on it (actually a DVD/TV
> combo with VGA input) doesn't have EDID info for xorg to use, so I had
> to put sync values and all in manually.
I am still waiting to hear where the metamodes are configured and stored
for xrandr to use.
Also you still need to configure for non US keyboards from what I
gather. See previous posts.
TomB
> TomB <tommy.b...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On 2009-12-17, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>>>> As William Poaster documented, this is where I went wrong. Xorg.conf is
>>>> /not/ obsolete in Kubuntu, it's only a lot smaller than in previous
>>>> releases.
>>>
>>> ONLY YOU said it was obsolete in Ubuntu. No one else.
>>
>> It has nothing to do with the distro being used. Since xorg 7.3 an
>> xorg.conf file is no longer a necessity. You can still use one if you
>> like, but you don't have to. On *any* distro.
>
> Oh for goodness sake. Yes you do. Because it does NOT work properly on
> all systems.
I have not said it will *always* work properly if you don't use an
xorg.conf. It won't. I even gave an example of it not working
properly on the Duron box.
> Did you not read Marti's post and Willy's instructions?
>
> You guys need to get your stories straight.
>
> Yes it IS being phased out. No it does not work properly yet for any but
> the simplest setups generally. Yes there may be exceptions.
>
>> I know I don't have one anymore on my main box. On the old AMD Duron
>> upstairs I *do* have one, as the monitor on it (actually a DVD/TV
>> combo with VGA input) doesn't have EDID info for xorg to use, so I had
>> to put sync values and all in manually.
>
> I am still waiting to hear where the metamodes are configured and stored
> for xrandr to use.
No experience with that.
> Also you still need to configure for non US keyboards from what I
> gather. See previous posts.
As of xorg 7.4 hald and dbus can be used for that.
--
Women need a reason to have sex. Men just need a place.
~ Billy Crystal
JEDIDIAH
>
>
> Marti van Lin <ml2...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Norman Peelman wrote:
>>> Hadron said:
>>> > Expect hellish consequences soon as the "xorg.conf" free Xorgs role
>>> >out.
>>>
>>>
>>> Not sure what direction xorg is going in. Anyone care to explain the
>>> desire of xorg to assume so much?
>>
>> Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic) already ships with a "xorg.conf" free version of
>> Xorg and to be honest, I'm not happy with that decision.
>>
>> On my laptop with Nvidia 7000M GPU and 1400x900 LCD screen it works
>> flawlessly.
>
> Why do "advocates" feel the need to add "flawlessly" to everything that
> works? its almost as if you were surprised.
...because it's descriptive and we need to shout down morons like you.
[deletia]
--
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choice and not merely be limited to pretensious imports or hard cider. / | \
GreyCloud
I've noticed that Apples X11 implementation is a bit borked. Also, the
older books on X programming seems to no longer apply as too many APIs
seem to be deprecated. I've downloaded the latest Xorg X11
implementation for OS X and it really screws things up even after they
say you don't have to uninstall Apples X11. I've noticed the same
problems with Solaris 10s X11 implementation when using the older APIs,
and no new books on the subject. I've tried the latest on line docs
with program samples and these sample just won't run... keep getting too
many X errors that have no real explanation. Not sure about all of
this, so for now I'm tossing out this stuff until the dust settles.
Chris Ahlstrom
> How could I be so stupid to think "Hadron" had a valid argument....
>
> <smashes head against the wall, a couple of times>
That's "Hadron"'s head you're smashing, I hope.
--
I dote on his very absence.
-- William Shakespeare, "The Merchant of Venice"
Chris Ahlstrom
> On 2009-12-17, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>>> As William Poaster documented, this is where I went wrong. Xorg.conf is
>>> /not/ obsolete in Kubuntu, it's only a lot smaller than in previous
>>> releases.
>>
>> ONLY YOU said it was obsolete in Ubuntu. No one else.
>
> It has nothing to do with the distro being used.
Well, indirectly it does, since the distro may choose to lag a bit on
updating Xorg.
> Since xorg 7.3 an
> xorg.conf file is no longer a necessity. You can still use one if you
> like, but you don't have to. On *any* distro.
>
> I know I don't have one anymore on my main box. On the old AMD Duron
> upstairs I *do* have one, as the monitor on it (actually a DVD/TV
> combo with VGA input) doesn't have EDID info for xorg to use, so I had
> to put sync values and all in manually.
Thanks for snipping the rest of the silliness of "our troll".
--
You have an ability to sense and know higher truth.
Peter Köhlmann
As usual you "gather" nothing.
I use a german keyboard. I had nothing to configure to use it
I simply selected "german" during setup, and it worked. Without xorg.conf
--
Ogden's Law:
The sooner you fall behind, the more time you have to catch up.
Marti van Lin
Honestly, I am really ashamed about it. It's the dumbest thing I did
last year.
I am very well aware of the fact that "Hadron" is a Liar, "Hadron" is a POS.
How could I go so low?
>
>> <smashes head against the wall, a couple of times>
>>
>> :`-(
--
Marti van Lin
> Marti van Lin pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>> How could I be so stupid to think "Hadron" had a valid argument....
>>
>> <smashes head against the wall, a couple of times>
>
> That's "Hadron"'s head you're smashing, I hope.
Nope, I am soooo ashamed of myself, taking the POS serious for a change.
Now that was a brain fart, kernel oops :-)
Marti van Lin
Exactly, every GNU/Linux distribution automatically selects the best
keyboard layout for the selected language.
There is no such thing as a "Dutch" keyboard layout. In the Netherlands
we use the international variant of the US (QWERTY) keyboard.
Every /modern/ GNU/Linux distribution, that I have used, selects the
US_INTL layout by default, if you chose Dutch as your language.
Beside that, I write Hebrew and Yiddish occasionally. Under Gnome, KDE,
LXDE and XFCE this is only a couple of mouse clicks away.
Such in contrast to Microsoft Windows, which only provides half baked
solutions (what a surprise).
TomB
> TomB pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>> On 2009-12-17, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>>>> As William Poaster documented, this is where I went wrong. Xorg.conf is
>>>> /not/ obsolete in Kubuntu, it's only a lot smaller than in previous
>>>> releases.
>>>
>>> ONLY YOU said it was obsolete in Ubuntu. No one else.
>>
>> It has nothing to do with the distro being used.
>
> Well, indirectly it does, since the distro may choose to lag a bit on
> updating Xorg.
Sure, but I like to look at GNU/Linux in components rather than
distros. It makes things so much easier (to me at least).
Chris Ahlstrom
> On 2009-12-17, the following emerged from the brain of Chris Ahlstrom:
>> TomB pulled this Usenet boner:
>>
>>> On 2009-12-17, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>>>>> As William Poaster documented, this is where I went wrong. Xorg.conf is
>>>>> /not/ obsolete in Kubuntu, it's only a lot smaller than in previous
>>>>> releases.
>>>>
>>>> ONLY YOU said it was obsolete in Ubuntu. No one else.
>>>
>>> It has nothing to do with the distro being used.
>>
>> Well, indirectly it does, since the distro may choose to lag a bit on
>> updating Xorg.
>
> Sure, but I like to look at GNU/Linux in components rather than
> distros. It makes things so much easier (to me at least).
Oh, I agree. I've hit maybe four distros: (RedHat/Fedora, Mandrake,
Gentoo, and Debian), and generally prefer to fix what I'm using rather than
"try another distro".
--
You will be surrounded by luxury.
TomB
I've never been much of a distro hopper myself. Mandrake, Ubuntu,
Debian. That's about it. And then I got into FreeBSD of course a
little over a year ago. In the end they all use X.org, KDE, Gnome,
OpenOffice, Gimp, nmap, openssh, screen, vim ... and when one of these
applications undergoes significant changes, eventually they will
surface on all distros.
--
It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education.
~ Albert Einstein
One Shot, One Kill
"Marti van Lin" <ml2...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:hgf5te$3e9$1...@news.albasani.net...
so you're on record as claiming that windows doesn't support international
keyboards or foreign languages.
and I thought that you morons couldn't possibly get any dumber.
Peter Köhlmann
> On 2009-12-18, the following emerged from the brain of Chris Ahlstrom:
>> TomB pulled this Usenet boner:
>>
>>> On 2009-12-17, the following emerged from the brain of Chris Ahlstrom:
>>>> TomB pulled this Usenet boner:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2009-12-17, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>>>>>>> As William Poaster documented, this is where I went wrong.
>>>>>>> Xorg.conf is /not/ obsolete in Kubuntu, it's only a lot smaller
>>>>>>> than in previous releases.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ONLY YOU said it was obsolete in Ubuntu. No one else.
>>>>>
>>>>> It has nothing to do with the distro being used.
>>>>
>>>> Well, indirectly it does, since the distro may choose to lag a bit on
>>>> updating Xorg.
>>>
>>> Sure, but I like to look at GNU/Linux in components rather than
>>> distros. It makes things so much easier (to me at least).
>>
>> Oh, I agree. I've hit maybe four distros: (RedHat/Fedora, Mandrake,
>> Gentoo, and Debian), and generally prefer to fix what I'm using rather
>> than "try another distro".
>
> I've never been much of a distro hopper myself. Mandrake, Ubuntu,
> Debian. That's about it.
I started with Slackware, long ago. Then tried Debian and Redhat. Then I
started using SuSE (I started with 5.3) and stayed on Suse for most of my
computers. I tried Ubuntu, too, but I prefer Suse by quite some margin
> And then I got into FreeBSD of course a
> little over a year ago. In the end they all use X.org, KDE, Gnome,
> OpenOffice, Gimp, nmap, openssh, screen, vim ... and when one of these
> applications undergoes significant changes, eventually they will
> surface on all distros.
>
Right. You can set up most distros to look like any other.
It just depends which distro provides the way *you* prefer your setup to
have it out of the box the closest. For me it happens to be OpenSuse, for
others it may be Ubuntu or PCLinux. Its about choice
So, naturally, Hadron *hates* that
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Peter Köhlmann
He has not claimed that. Strange how you wintendo fanboiz all have such
incredibly bad reading comprehension. He said the windows way is half
baked. Which is actually a nice way to express the bogus ideas windows has
about different character sets
But then, international support under windows is about the dumbest way to
do it anyone could possibly come up with.
Utterly shitty and next to useless. If you have to do apps which support
totally different languages (and character sets) seamlessly at the same
time the windows way is total shite.
> and I thought that you morons couldn't possibly get any dumber.
Poor flatfish. No arguments, just lots of hat air
--
You're genuinely bogus.
One Shot, One Kill
"Peter K�hlmann" <peter-k...@t-online.de> wrote in message
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no details. no specifics. nothing at all to backup your bogus claims.
just a bunch of mindless drivel from a clueless fanboi.
TomB
> TomB wrote:
>> I've never been much of a distro hopper myself. Mandrake, Ubuntu,
>> Debian. That's about it.
>
> I started with Slackware, long ago. Then tried Debian and Redhat. Then I
> started using SuSE (I started with 5.3) and stayed on Suse for most of my
> computers. I tried Ubuntu, too, but I prefer Suse by quite some margin
>
>> And then I got into FreeBSD of course a
>> little over a year ago. In the end they all use X.org, KDE, Gnome,
>> OpenOffice, Gimp, nmap, openssh, screen, vim ... and when one of these
>> applications undergoes significant changes, eventually they will
>> surface on all distros.
>>
>
> Right. You can set up most distros to look like any other.
Sure. I once replaced Debian with FreeBSD on the main family computer,
and my wife and kids (who were all using KDE at the time) never
noticed it.
Under the hood however things can be very different. The
/etc/network/interfaces to configure the network cards for instance is
very specific to Debian-like distros.
> It just depends which distro provides the way *you* prefer your setup to
> have it out of the box the closest. For me it happens to be OpenSuse, for
> others it may be Ubuntu or PCLinux. Its about choice
>
> So, naturally, Hadron *hates* that
And still he can choose Debian over Ubuntu. Because of the choice.
--
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The Belgian Dream: Yes, week-end!
Peter Köhlmann
Now flatfish will tell us in detail how to have (for example) russian,
chinese and european characters in windows GUI apps simultaniously without
having to jump through hoops.
Come on, cretinous dimwit, tell us *exactly* how to setup windows to be
(just an example) east-european and west-european simultaniously, without
switching, chosing *one* of those and rebooting
*This* is utterly shitty and unbelievable dumb. And you have to do nothing
of that silly bullshit on linux to have all those languages simultaniously
It is *you* who is clueless, flatfish. *You* don't even know the (severe)
limitations of your beloved wintendo
--
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One Shot, One Kill
> One Shot, One Kill wrote:
>
>>
showing a half dozen different languages simultaneously is utterly useless.
> Come on, cretinous dimwit, tell us *exactly* how to setup windows to be
> (just an example) east-european and west-european simultaniously, without
> switching, chosing *one* of those and rebooting
click on the language bar (on the toolbar), select your language. done. or
go to control panel and do the same thing. no reboot required.
> *This* is utterly shitty and unbelievable dumb. And you have to do nothing
> of that silly bullshit on linux to have all those languages simultaniously
and the purpose of having all those languages *simlutaneously* is what
exactly?
> It is *you* who is clueless, flatfish. *You* don't even know the (severe)
> limitations of your beloved wintendo
you're an idiot if you think that I am flatfish. you're an idiot anyway.
Chris Ahlstrom
> One Shot, One Kill wrote:
>
>> just a bunch of mindless drivel from a clueless fanboi.
>
> Now flatfish will tell us in detail how to have (for example) russian,
> chinese and european characters in windows GUI apps simultaniously without
> having to jump through hoops.
Moving of the goalposts, Peter! :-D
> Come on, cretinous dimwit, tell us *exactly* how to setup windows to be
> (just an example) east-european and west-european simultaniously, without
> switching, chosing *one* of those and rebooting
>
> *This* is utterly shitty and unbelievable dumb. And you have to do nothing
> of that silly bullshit on linux to have all those languages simultaniously
>
> It is *you* who is clueless, flatfish. *You* don't even know the (severe)
> limitations of your beloved wintendo
Looks like Money is shot.
--
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-- Mark Twain
One Shot, One Kill
"Chris Ahlstrom" <ahls...@launchmodem.com> wrote in message
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> Peter K??hlmann pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>> One Shot, One Kill wrote:
>>
>>> just a bunch of mindless drivel from a clueless fanboi.
>>
>> Now flatfish will tell us in detail how to have (for example) russian,
>> chinese and european characters in windows GUI apps simultaniously
>> without
>> having to jump through hoops.
>
> Moving of the goalposts, Peter! :-D
>
>> Come on, cretinous dimwit, tell us *exactly* how to setup windows to be
>> (just an example) east-european and west-european simultaniously, without
>> switching, chosing *one* of those and rebooting
>>
>> *This* is utterly shitty and unbelievable dumb. And you have to do
>> nothing
>> of that silly bullshit on linux to have all those languages
>> simultaniously
>>
>> It is *you* who is clueless, flatfish. *You* don't even know the (severe)
>> limitations of your beloved wintendo
>
> Looks like Money is shot.
>
another worthless post from the schestowitz shill who lacks any sort of
technical ability. tell us again how a mac address is encrypted with wep.
it's no wonder anyone as clueless as you doesn't even attempt to discuss
technical issues. stick to brown nosing and shilling - it's the only thing
you're good at.
Peter Köhlmann
For you, maybe.
In europe it is often *needed*
But then, you have to declare a feature as "useless" because windows *can*
*not* even remotely provide it
Tell it to any translator that such a feature is "useless".
>
>> Come on, cretinous dimwit, tell us *exactly* how to setup windows to be
>> (just an example) east-european and west-european simultaniously,
>> without switching, chosing *one* of those and rebooting
>
> click on the language bar (on the toolbar), select your language. done.
> or go to control panel and do the same thing. no reboot required.
You forgot about the "rebooting" thingy, flatfish.
And that after switching your previously selected language now no longer
works because of lack of character set support
>
>> *This* is utterly shitty and unbelievable dumb. And you have to do
>> nothing of that silly bullshit on linux to have all those languages
>> simultaniously
>
> and the purpose of having all those languages *simlutaneously* is what
> exactly?
You ignorant idiotic twit: In europe, but also in asia it is common to
have several languages next to another.
But you can't have east-european GUI apps next to west-european ones on
windows without going through some incredible hoops, most of which are not
supported at all
Just imagine some polish company doing business with a norwegian one
(after all, they are practically neighboars).
Well, that polish company can't display correctly either the norwegian
characters or the polish ones on their wintendo "commercial grade" GUI
apps, except they are written with Unicode support for display too. Which
is *poorly* supported in windows, to say the least
>
>> It is *you* who is clueless, flatfish. *You* don't even know the
>> (severe) limitations of your beloved wintendo
>
> you're an idiot if you think that I am flatfish. you're an idiot anyway.
Well, flatfish, I don't care what you are denying or not.
You are way too stupid to be taken seriously
--
The probability of someone watching you is proportional to the
stupidity of your action.
JEDIDIAH
>
>
>
> "Peter Köhlmann" <peter-k...@t-online.de> wrote in message
I have content in spanish, russian and german. Each of those has slight
or large variations from carloginian miniscule. Some characters don't exactly
directly translate well. It makes far better sense to display names in the
native language character sets.
>
>
>> Come on, cretinous dimwit, tell us *exactly* how to setup windows to be
>> (just an example) east-european and west-european simultaniously, without
>> switching, chosing *one* of those and rebooting
>
> click on the language bar (on the toolbar), select your language. done. or
> go to control panel and do the same thing. no reboot required.
[deletia]
Someone who is multi-lingual (like most of europe) might want to work
or communicate with people in different languages. They might be talking
to someone in Lennigrad while they are sending an email to someone in
Miami while they reading or watching some content in Dutch.
Семнадцать_Мгновений_Весны
William Poaster
Köhlmann was heard to say:
"One Shot, One Kill" a feeble nym for a puny troll, laughable.
--
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GreyCloud
<snip>
I'm really curious at this point. How much backward compatibility is in
the latest X11 release to the X11R5 release?
I checked IBMs website on their docs, hoping to get a better definition
of a few APIs, to discover they are still at the R5 level.
GreyCloud
> TomB wrote:
>
>> On 2009-12-18, the following emerged from the brain of Chris Ahlstrom:
>>> TomB pulled this Usenet boner:
>>>
>>>> On 2009-12-17, the following emerged from the brain of Chris Ahlstrom:
>>>>> TomB pulled this Usenet boner:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2009-12-17, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>>>>>>>> As William Poaster documented, this is where I went wrong.
>>>>>>>> Xorg.conf is /not/ obsolete in Kubuntu, it's only a lot smaller
>>>>>>>> than in previous releases.
>>>>>>> ONLY YOU said it was obsolete in Ubuntu. No one else.
>>>>>> It has nothing to do with the distro being used.
>>>>> Well, indirectly it does, since the distro may choose to lag a bit on
>>>>> updating Xorg.
>>>> Sure, but I like to look at GNU/Linux in components rather than
>>>> distros. It makes things so much easier (to me at least).
>>> Oh, I agree. I've hit maybe four distros: (RedHat/Fedora, Mandrake,
>>> Gentoo, and Debian), and generally prefer to fix what I'm using rather
>>> than "try another distro".
>> I've never been much of a distro hopper myself. Mandrake, Ubuntu,
>> Debian. That's about it.
>
> I started with Slackware, long ago. Then tried Debian and Redhat. Then I
> started using SuSE (I started with 5.3) and stayed on Suse for most of my
> computers. I tried Ubuntu, too, but I prefer Suse by quite some margin
Right now I'm downloading OpenSuse 11.2. Got really ticked at Apples
advertising hype over it being 64-bit top to bottom. It isn't.
I can't get the iMac to boot into 64 bit mode for some reason.
The whole idea is to get better performance out of the intel 64-bit arch.
Gregory Shearman
> another worthless post from the schestowitz shill who lacks any sort of
> technical ability. tell us again how a mac address is encrypted with wep.
You're just a small-minded nasty little cunt.
Who cares if a mac address is encrypted or unencrypted with wep. I use
WEP to keep out honest people. It stops accidental association.
--
Regards,
Gregory.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power
Chris Ahlstrom
> <pfft-ft-ft-ft>
Yet another Usenet jerk-off.