[News] [Rival] Bill Gates Pays 'Journalists' to Glorify His Atrocious Abuses with Monsanto
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Training on journalism advancing the interests of the Gates Foundation or the interests of Africans
,----[ Quote ]
| Why is 'training' for journalists always
| issue-based? AIDS, agriculture, etc. The
| Gates Foundation wants to advance its own
| agenda. Why not fund an panAfrican school
| of journalism? Or five or six regional
| African schools of journalism? Africans can
| run their own schools of journalism.
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http://gateskeepers.civiblog.org/blog/_archives/2009/12/14/4404381.html
Filling a Need for African-Based Reporting on Agriculture
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| But there are efforts underway to increase
| reporting about Africa from Africans. The
| International Center for Journalists
| received a $2 million grant, three-year
| grant in 2008 from the Bill & Melinda Gates
| Foundation to improve coverage of
| agriculture and health. They're placing
| journalists from the U.S. in four key
| African countries--Ghana, Malawi, Tanzania,
| and Senegal-- where they will lead projects
| with African journalists, helping them
| improve not only coverage, but the quality
| of the articles they're writing. The
| project will also help train "citizen
| journalist" stringers who can relay
| information from the village level via
| cellphones.
|
| And earlier this year, the Gates Foundation
| also awarded a two-year grant to the
| Berkeley Graduate School of Journalism to
| develop an intensive training program for
| African journalists to promote high-quality
| coverage of agricultural issues.
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http://www.mydd.com/story/2009/12/11/112817/24
Recent:
Monsoft or Microsanto?
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| Amazingly, David Boies, the lawyer that
| led the attack on Microsoft during that
| investigation, is also invovled: he is
| representing Du Pont, one of Monsanto's
| rivals concerned about the latter's
| monopoly power.
|
| Let's just hope that Monsanto becomes the
| subject of a full anti-trust action, and
| that the result is more effective than
| that applied to Microsoft. After all,
| we're not talking about software here, but
| the world's food supply, and monopolies -
| both intellectual and otherwise - are
| simply morally indefensible when billions
| of lives are stake.
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http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/12/monsoft-or-microsanto.html
AP INVESTIGATION: Monsanto seed biz role revealed
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| Confidential contracts detailing Monsanto
| Co.'s business practices reveal how the
| world's biggest seed developer is
| squeezing competitors, controlling smaller
| seed companies and protecting its
| dominance over the multibillion-dollar
| market for genetically altered crops, an
| Associated Press investigation has found.
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AP INVESTIGATION: Monsanto seed biz role revealed
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/8855598
How Monsanto owns and manipulates the world's food supply
,----[ Quote ]
| Steve Silberman sends us "A major AP
| expose of how Monsanto uses secret
| licensing agreements for its genetically
| manipulated crops to squeeze smaller seed
| companies, lock out competition, and keep
| food prices high.".
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The Gates Foundation’s agriculture program: experimenting or floundering?
,----[ Quote ]
| Here’s what we know about the Gates
| Foundation’s agriculture program:
|
| * Gates believes it’s suggestive that
| “Apart from a few states and small, oil-
| rich countries, no country has managed a
| rapid rise from poverty without
| increasing agricultural productivity. In
| the poorest countries, agriculture
| employs a majority of the people.”
| * This isn’t a new argument or an
| undisputed one. See Peter Timmer on
| Green Revolution “optimists” vs.
| “pessimists”.
| * Gates’s approach is “comprehensive,”
| targets “no single, simple solution”,
| and includes farmer training/support,
| irrigation initiatives, market access
| initiatives, and funding of agricultural
| research with a focus on gender
| empowerment.
| * This isn’t a new approach or a
| historically successful one. The World
| Bank has focused on essentially the same
| set of interventions recently, with
| unclear results, and the previous
| “holistic” approach of “Integrated Rural
| Development” is widely considered to
| have failed. Details at our overview of
| agriculture aid.
|
| In other words, the Gates Foundation
| approach – as described – appears to be
| neither a continuation of things that have
| worked before nor a fundamentally new
| approach to the problem. So what might be
| different this time around?
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http://blog.givewell.net/?p=437
Kenya: Gates Foundation and Monsanto to Develop Genetically
Modified Seeds for Small Farmers
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| Many of the emotionally charged headlines
| that drive Africa’s food security debate
| are intricately connected to the critical
| and complex Kenyan seed industry: Kenya is
| the second largest seed consumer in sub-
| Saharan Africa, and a key driver of
| agricultural research on the continent. For
| decades, donors and private interests have
| been funneling millions of dollars into the
| Kenya Agricultural Research Institute
| (KARI), in an effort to develop new plant
| varieties that can repel pests, withstand
| disease and produce higher yields.
|
| KARI is now one of the main partners in a
| new programme funded by the Gates
| Foundation that will attempt to develop
| genetically modified (GM) maize that can
| withstand drought. The plan is to
| distribute the seeds to small farmers in
| Kenya, Mozambique, South Africa, Tanzania
| and Uganda. The technology is coming from
| Monsanto, the American corporate seed giant
| that does a lot of work for the Gates
| Foundation in Africa. Normally Monsanto’s
| patented seeds come at a high price, which
| has inspired an endless stream of vitriol
| from activists who accuse the company of
| exploiting poor farmers for obscene
| profits. This time, farmers will receive
| the seeds royalty free – indefinitely – as
| part of Gates’ push for a “green
| revolution” in Africa.
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Kenya: Gates Foundation and Monsanto to develop GM seeds for small farmers
http://www.freshplaza.com/news_detail.asp?id=54698
Hunger, Hypocrisy And The U.N.
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| This is hypocrisy of the vilest sort. In
| fact, U.N. agencies, programs and policies
| themselves have prevented farmers in the
| developing world from obtaining the tools
| they need to become more productive. That
| gets us back to Bill Gates and his big
| plans: His choice last year of former U.N.
| Secretary General Kofi Annan to head a new
| group intended to achieve a "green
| revolution" in African agriculture, the
| Alliance for a Green Revolution--established
| with an initial $150 million grant from the
| Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and the
| Rockefeller Foundation--was
| incomprehensible. If past performance is any
| indication, the only things likely to become
| greener are the numbered bank accounts of
| Annan and his cronies.
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Chinese copy of the Gates Foundation
,----[ Quote ]
| Monday the papers were all asplash with
| announcements that there would be a Chinese
| copy of the Gates Foundation. Now it appears
| that the celebration might have been premature.
| Perhaps New Huadu is a perfect imitator, as
| Microsoft also engaged in illegal activities
| before the Gates Foundation emerged.
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http://gateskeepers.civiblog.org/blog/_archives/2009/10/22/4358475.html
Chinese innovation and the Gates Foundation
,----[ Quote ]
| If this is how the Gates Foundation tries to
| support innovation in China it is not trying
| very hard. China has lots of new tech talent
| educated in the US. If the environment is right
| in the next twenty years there will be lots of
| innovation. But are small timebound grants the
| way to support it?
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http://gateskeepers.civiblog.org/blog/_archives/2009/10/19/4354533.html
Unions, Bill Gates pump last-minute cash against Wash. ballot issue slowing gov't growth
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| National labor unions and Microsoft Corp. co-
| founder Bill Gates are among the donors who
| have poured nearly $1.5 million of last-minute
| cash into the campaign against Initiative 1033,
| a ballot measure that would slow the growth of
| state and local governments.
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http://gateskeepers.civiblog.org/blog/_archives/2009/10/16/4352483.html
Gates Foundation program advisory panel member speaks out on war and security
http://gateskeepers.civiblog.org/blog/_archives/2009/10/14/4350448.html
Is the Gates Foundation listening?
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| Gates Keepers thinks there will be no Gates
| Foundation grants for Reganold or Herren
| forthcoming.
|
| Isn't it governance that is lacking for the
| Green Revolution in Africa? Does blaming people
| who question genetically modified plants help?
| Heim is asking the right questions of the right
| people. Is the Foundation listening?
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http://gateskeepers.civiblog.org/blog/_archives/2009/10/21/4357663.html
Will Bill Gates Come to the Rescue of Journalists?
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| Online news site Crosscut's announcement
| yesterday of a $100,000 grant from the Bill and
| Melinda Gates Foundation surely raised some
| hopes in the tumultuous world of journalism. Is
| Bill Gates waking up to the havoc caused by the
| digital technology he has unleashed? Will his
| enormously deep-pocketed philanthropy come to
| the rescue of a profession--and means of
| informing that the public-- that threatens to
| disappear? Can the New York Times expect a
| bailout next?
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http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2009/10/will_bill_gates_come_to_the_re.php
Vanessa Mazal talks about how the Gates Foundation is getting into the media
,----[ Quote ]
| This is frightening. She tries to simplify
| media development and media for development but
| in the end it all sounds manipulative ... like
| our strings are being pulled by the Gates
| Foundation.
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http://gateskeepers.civiblog.org/blog/_archives/2009/10/13/4349646.html
Former Gates Foundation CEO's new employer gets a big grant from the Gates Foundation
http://gateskeepers.civiblog.org/blog/_archives/2009/10/20/4356547.html
Does the Gates Foundation support circumcision coercion?
http://gateskeepers.civiblog.org/blog/_archives/2009/10/12/4348746.html
Monsanto: Making Microsoft Look Good
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| Do genetically-modified seeds bring
| increased productivity? There seem doubts;
| but even assuming it's true, Gates sets up a
| false dichotomy: one reason GMO seeds aren't
| sustainable is because they are patented.
| That is, farmers *must* buy them year after
| year, and can't produce their own seeds.
| It's a situation that's relatively easy to
| solve: make GMOs patent-free; do not place
| restrictions on their use; let farmers do
| what farmers have done for millennia.
|
| And look, there you have it, potentially: productivity and
| sustainability. But we won't get that, not because the idealistic
| environmentalist are blocking it, but because the seed industry
| wants farmers dependent on their technology, not liberated
| by it. It is sheer hypocrisy for a fan of patents to
| accuse environmentalists of being the obstacle to
| productivity and sustainability: that would be the
| industrial model of dependence, enforced by
| intellectual monopolies, and espoused by big
| companies like Monsanto, the Microsoft of
| plant software.
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http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/10/monsanto-making-microsoft-look-good.html
No Patents on Seeds...or We're Really Stuffed
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| Good to see that I'm not a lone voice crying
| in the wilderness:
|
| The continuing patenting of seeds,
| conventional plant varieties and animal
| species leads to far-reaching
| expropriations of farmers and breeders:
| farmers are deprived of their rights to
| save their seeds, and breeders are under
| strong limitations to use the patented
| seeds freely for further breeding. The
| patent holder controlls the sale of the
| seeds and the planting, decides about
| the use of herbicides and can even
| collect royalties at the harvest – up to
| the finished food product.
|
| Our food security is increasingly
| dependent on a few transnational
| chemical and biotechnological companies.
| The European Patent Office (EPO) has
| continuasly broadened the scope of
| patentability and undermined existing
| restrictions, in the interest of
| multinational companies.
|
| [..]
|
| This exactly parallels the situation with
| software patents, where the EPO is using
| every trick in the book to approve them;
| except it's even worse.
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http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/10/no-patents-on-seedsor-were-really.html
Related:
Dark cloud over good works of Gates Found
Gates Foundation Revokes Pledge to Review Portfolio
,----[ Quote ]
| ...the Gates Foundation took down their public statement on this
| and replaced it with a significantly altered version which seems to
| say that investing responsibly would just be too complex for them
| and that they need to focus on their core mission: 'There are
| dozens of factors that could be considered, almost all of which
| are outside the foundation's areas of expertise. The issues
| involved are quite complex...
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http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/12/1756212&from=rss
Gates Foundation’s Influence Criticized
,----[ Quote ]
| The chief of malaria for the World Health Organization has complained that
| the growing dominance of malaria research by the Bill and Melinda Gates
| Foundation risks stifling a diversity of views among scientists and wiping
| out the world health agency’s policy-making function.
`----
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/16/science/16malaria.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation- Truth Revealed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ttq0IdULfjg
Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation- Truth Revealed Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVlnqnMHQ1c
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GreyCloud
http://www.safe-food.org/-issue/dangers.html
No Long-Term Safety Testing—Genetic engineering uses material from
organisms that have never been part of the human food supply to change
the fundamental nature of the food we eat. Without long-term testing no
one knows if these foods are safe.
Toxins—Genetic engineering can cause unexpected mutations in an
organism, which can create new and higher levels of toxins in foods.
(Inose 1995, Mayeno 1994)
Allergic Reactions—Genetic engineering can also produce unforeseen and
unknown allergens in foods. (Nordlee 1996)
Decreased Nutritional Value—Transgenic foods may mislead consumers with
counterfeit freshness. A luscious-looking, bright red genetically
engineered tomato could be several weeks old and of little nutritional
worth.
Antibiotic Resistant Bacteria—Genetic engineers use
antibiotic-resistance genes to mark genetically engineered cells. This
means that genetically engineered crops contain genes which confer
resistance to antibiotics. These genes may be picked up by bacteria
which may infect us. (New Scientist 1999)
Problems Cannot Be Traced—Without labels, our public health agencies are
powerless to trace problems of any kind back to their source. The
potential for tragedy is staggering.
Side Effects can Kill—37 people died, 1500 were partially paralyzed, and
5000 more were temporarily disabled by a syndrome that was finally
linked to tryptophan made by genetically-engineered bacteria. (Mayeno 1994)
Tim Smith
Let's just finish that quote, shall we?
These projects could be at least partly inspired by grants the Soros
Foundation and the Open Society Institute have been giving for
training journalists in the former Soviet Republics and in Eastern
Europe. The Independent Journalism Institute provides similar
programs for journalists in Eastern Europe and Southeast Asia.
These types of grants--and hopefully future funding from other
donors--are an important way of not only generating news stories,
but informing African people about what's taking place on a daily
basis in their own country.
Note that Roy cites not a single bit of evidence that there is anything
bad about the work of the International Center for Journalists, or the
Berkeley Graduate School of Journalism, in training African journalists.
Roy's *entire* case boils down to "Gates gave them money--so it must be
part of an evil plot".
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____/ GreyCloud on Tuesday 15 Dec 2009 22:40 : \____
But think about all the money that Monsanto and Gates can make !! :-)
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GreyCloud
And at the expense of real food. One rancher here that I know of has
tried to feed his cattle GMO corn. The cattle won't even touch the stuff.
Roy Schestowitz
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____/ GreyCloud on Wednesday 16 Dec 2009 18:47 : \____
Natural (pseudo) selection will ensure his cattle dies while GMO-friendly cattle
survives and thrives. Let's make more experiental breeds. If it goes badly, we'll
start it all over.
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Tim Smith
GreyCloud <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
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> And at the expense of real food. One rancher here that I know of has
> tried to feed his cattle GMO corn. The cattle won't even touch the stuff.
Non-GMO corn is not good for cattle, either. Cattle aren't supposed to
eat corn.
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GreyCloud
It may give a whole new reason to go vegan.
GreyCloud
That is true. The only purpose of corn is to fatten them up.
Guess that is why the french consider corn to be pig food.
JEDIDIAH
>
>
> Tim Smith wrote:
>> In article <ZLqdnTBHT5nZtrTW...@bresnan.com>,
>> GreyCloud <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
>>> And at the expense of real food. One rancher here that I know of has
>>> tried to feed his cattle GMO corn. The cattle won't even touch the stuff.
>>
>> Non-GMO corn is not good for cattle, either. Cattle aren't supposed to
>> eat corn.
Cattle have no problem with corn. OTOH, they are also quite happy with
the stalks and the cobs that you and me would find indigestible.
>>
>
> That is true. The only purpose of corn is to fatten them up.
> Guess that is why the french consider corn to be pig food.
Pigs thrive on industrial waste. They don't need corn for fattening up.
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____/ GreyCloud on Thursday 17 Dec 2009 22:00 : \____
Unless you choose the "organic"-labelled stuff, you're likely to be stuffed
with 'Monsanto's' 'own' seeds. They now spread them to more continents
with Pearly Gates as their 'salesman'. Rockefeller Foundation is there too.
They euphemistically call it "Green Revolution". They colonise with patents.
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GreyCloud
I'm very well aware of the problem. That's why our local farmers are
being very careful with where they get their seeds from. And it is
getting harder to wade thru what is called food on the shelves these days.
Tim Smith
JEDIDIAH <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
> On 2009-12-17, GreyCloud <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Tim Smith wrote:
> >> In article <ZLqdnTBHT5nZtrTW...@bresnan.com>,
> >> GreyCloud <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
> >>> And at the expense of real food. One rancher here that I know of has
> >>> tried to feed his cattle GMO corn. The cattle won't even touch the stuff.
> >>
> >> Non-GMO corn is not good for cattle, either. Cattle aren't supposed to
> >> eat corn.
>
> Cattle have no problem with corn. OTOH, they are also quite happy with
> the stalks and the cobs that you and me would find indigestible.
Cows are ruminants. They evolved to eat grasses, not seeds like corn.
Some problems when cows are forced to eat corn:
* Bloat. Lots of gas is produced by fermentation in the rumen. This is
normally expelled by belching during rumination, but when cows eat a lot
of corn, rumination stops or is greatly reduced. Foamy slime forms in
the rumen that can trap the gas, and the rumen can inflate and pess
against the lungs, suffocating the cow. The treatment is to relieve that
gas, often by forcing a hose down the cow to give the gas a way out.
* Acidosis. Cow rumen chemistry is neutral normally, unlike our stomach
chemistry, which is acidic. Corn makes the cow's acidic. Think really
bad heartburn from the cow's point of view. It can be fatal, but usually
just makes the cow sick. It result in things like diarrhea, ulcers,
bloat, rumenitis, liver disease, and a weak immune system (which leads
to rampant spread of several common feedlot diseases).
Many leading feedlot veterinarians and animal scientists have found that
most cows in feedlots are sick. By pumping them full of antibiotics, the
veterinarians can keep them alive and standing for the approximately 150
days they live on the feedlot. (If the cow gets too sick to stand, it's
not supposed to make it into the food supply).
Besides making the cows sick, forcing cows to eat lots of corn has
consequences for those of us who eventually eat those cows.
First, it greatly increases the risk of e. coli. Cows whose chemistry is
neutral have e. coli that is not very tolerant to acid. If some e. coli
ends up in their meat, it is no match for the acidic digestive system of
the human that eats that meat. The corn cows have e. coli strains that
have adapted to the higher acid environment, and so have a much higher
chance of surviving the human digestive system.
Second, cows fed a lot of corn have much lower levels of omega-3 fatty
acids compared to cows that eat what they evolved to eat. They have more
fats and more saturated fats. Current research indicates that many, if
not all, of the bad things we are told about red meat and why we
shouldn't eat too much of it actually only apply to corn-fed red meat.
If the animals eat their natural diet, then those health risks of too
much red meat may go away.
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Tim Smith
GreyCloud <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
> being very careful with where they get their seeds from. And it is
> getting harder to wade thru what is called food on the shelves these days.
What I do is a split shopping strategy.
1. For things like flour, sugar, salt, soft drinks, and things for which
I have decided to put convenience over maximal nutrition (e.g.,
microwave entrees), I shop at Walmart. They've got the best prices.
2. For things like fresh produce and beef, I go to a market that has a
big organic selection, much of it from local farms, and has a good
selection of beef that was fed on grazed grass and not pumped full of
antibiotics.
The idea is for the savings by going to Walmart for stuff in the first
group to offset the extra expense of the things in the second group, so
that hopefully I come out at about the same cost as someone who just
goes to Safeway for everything.
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GreyCloud
You should google on the Codex Alimentarius (sp?) on required food
additives. The only safe salt that I could find that didn't have sodium
flouride added was one labeled 'Real Salt'. And the other table salts
don't have to label it.
Softdrinks for the most part I avoid. Most if not all contain
Aspartame, which is a behaviour modifier.
Microwaving food isn't a good idea either. Try this experiment on two
houseplants... microwave some water to boiling and then let it cool to
room temperature, then water the plant for a few days like this. The
other plant you water with normal tap water. The one with the
microwaved water will die. I don't know why or how it happens, but that
bothers me.
Beef really isn't that safe anymore like it used to be. It has been
estimated by the Alzheimers Association that 10% that are diagnosed as
having alzheimers actually has the mad cow disease. Something to do
with prions.
It is getting pretty difficult to buy food that is considered to be safe
these days. It is the long term effects that I'd like to avoid.
GreyCloud
Very interesting bit of info there. It just convinces me to go vegan.
Hadron
So, in a "nutshell", Jed is talking shit again. What a surprise.
Hadron
JEDIDIAH
>
>
> In article <slrnhilbq...@nomad.mishnet>,
> JEDIDIAH <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
>> On 2009-12-17, GreyCloud <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Tim Smith wrote:
>> >> In article <ZLqdnTBHT5nZtrTW...@bresnan.com>,
>> >> GreyCloud <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
>> >>> And at the expense of real food. One rancher here that I know of has
>> >>> tried to feed his cattle GMO corn. The cattle won't even touch the stuff.
>> >>
>> >> Non-GMO corn is not good for cattle, either. Cattle aren't supposed to
>> >> eat corn.
>>
>> Cattle have no problem with corn. OTOH, they are also quite happy with
>> the stalks and the cobs that you and me would find indigestible.
>
> Cows are ruminants. They evolved to eat grasses, not seeds like corn.
> Some problems when cows are forced to eat corn:
>
> * Bloat. Lots of gas is produced by fermentation in the rumen. This is
...if you feed any animal only one thing there are bound to be problems.
[deletia]
Do feedlots feed the cow the entire corn stalk? Otherwise you aren't addressing my point.
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____/ GreyCloud on Friday 18 Dec 2009 00:22 : \____
Monsanto was accused of secretly coming to farmers' fields and making false allegations
against them in court. They didn't have money to defend themselves, so the bullies
from Monsanto made millions (from false allegations). There is a whole recent
documentary about it.
Monsanto is trying to terrify farmers. They should be shut down.
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Roy Schestowitz
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____/ GreyCloud on Friday 18 Dec 2009 06:58 : \____
There have been incidents where the GM crops (Monsanto) were found to be
'toxic'. Monsanto just symbolically sent investigators, who did nothing
about it. They bury the truth while Monsanto shareholders pocket the money.
You can find a lot of information about it.
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Hadron
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> ~~ Best of wishes
>
> Roy S. Schestowitz | You can never get nine women to deliver a baby in a month
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Have you approached Monsanto directly about your claims Roy? I wonder
how they would feel about a nobody bullshitter like you making such
claims on the internet? Have you given them a chance to defend
themselves against your scurrilous accusations?
You need help Roy. You're are, undoubtedly, quite insane.
JEDIDIAH
>
>
> Tim Smith <reply_i...@mouse-potato.com> writes:
>
>> In article <slrnhilbq...@nomad.mishnet>,
>> JEDIDIAH <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
>>> On 2009-12-17, GreyCloud <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Tim Smith wrote:
>>> >> In article <ZLqdnTBHT5nZtrTW...@bresnan.com>,
>>> >> GreyCloud <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
>>> >>> And at the expense of real food. One rancher here that I know of has
>>> >>> tried to feed his cattle GMO corn. The cattle won't even touch the stuff.
>>> >>
>>> >> Non-GMO corn is not good for cattle, either. Cattle aren't supposed to
>>> >> eat corn.
>>>
>>> Cattle have no problem with corn. OTOH, they are also quite happy with
>>> the stalks and the cobs that you and me would find indigestible.
>>
>> Cows are ruminants. They evolved to eat grasses, not seeds like corn.
>> Some problems when cows are forced to eat corn:
[deletia]
>> Many leading feedlot veterinarians and animal scientists have found that
>> most cows in feedlots are sick. By pumping them full of antibiotics, the
>> veterinarians can keep them alive and standing for the approximately 150
>> days they live on the feedlot. (If the cow gets too sick to stand, it's
[deletia]
>
> So, in a "nutshell", Jed is talking shit again. What a surprise.
No. I just wasn't talking about a feedlot.
It's funny how that works... how people with an axe to grind or an
agenda to push will ignore any inconvenient information.
Tim Smith
GreyCloud <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
>
> Very interesting bit of info there. It just convinces me to go vegan.
It's possible to eat well as a vegan. But if you enjoy tasty animals,
there is no need, from a health point of view, to give them up. There
are two really good books that should be of some interest to everyone
who eats.
1. "The Omnivore's Dilemma" by Michael Pollan. It is subtitled "A
Natural History of Four Meals", and that is just what it is. He takes
four meals, that arrived on his plate by quite different means, and
investigates where they came from, all the way back to the farm (or the
hunting and foraging, for the meal of wild pig and mushrooms that is one
of the meals).
This book doesn't tell you how to eat better. However, a lot of people
who read it wanted a book aimed more at helping them avoid some of the
bad aspects of some of the food chains he looked at. So he wrote a
related book:
2. "In Defense of Food: An Eater's Manifesto". In this book, he gives
some guidelines and rules, all backed with cites to peer reviewed
scientific journals. He does a good job of presenting both sides of the
more controversial areas.
The most important take away I got from the book is that while we know a
lot about human biochemistry, there's a lot more we don't know (I don't
have the book handy, but my recollection is that biochemists estimate
they understand something like 10% of the important chemical processes
in the human body). What this means is that we don't know enough to
tinker too much with food. Unfortunately a lot of highly processed foods
are based on the assumption that we know enough that we can break down
and reassemble foods, and discard things that we don't know we need, and
the result will be just fine. In some cases it may be--but we just don't
have the science at this point to tell.
--
--Tim Smith
GreyCloud
They've tried that scam here. The state took care of it. Worse is when
their goons go out at night and get caught spreading GMO corn seeds in a
local farmers field that has non-GMO corn crops planted. Good thing the
farmer had a few rotweillers running around.
GreyCloud
That is the other hard part. A few stores here now carry organically
grown vegatables that haven't had pesticides sprayed on them. Plus
there are a lot of greenhouses here in the valley that grow a great
amount of organics.
GreyCloud
That's why I asked a long time ago before my grandparents passed on what
kind of food they ate. Most all of their food was locally grown and
they lived to their late 90s. My father died at 67. He ate what the
store shelves had to offer, like Hostess Pies, twinkies out of vending
machines, etc. All of these foods had high amounts of trans-fats or
hydrogenated oils. He first had a stroke and later a massive stroke.
His doctor had to actually scoop out the white gloppy glue stuff out of
his carotoid arteries (sp?). I reasoned back then that what he was
eating wasn't present in earlier foods so I stayed away from that stuff.
Who wants to eat monosodium glutamate or sodium nitrate by the pounds?
Roy Schestowitz
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____/ GreyCloud on Friday 18 Dec 2009 19:02 : \____
Better get some bulldogs or even bulldozers. IIRC though, Monsanto is based on
Jersey or something...
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Chris Ahlstrom
Vegetables are not only safe, they are good for you, ceteris paribus.
> That is the other hard part. A few stores here now carry organically
> grown vegatables that haven't had pesticides sprayed on them. Plus
> there are a lot of greenhouses here in the valley that grow a great
> amount of organics.
I'm not sure that, in today's regulated environment, pesticides are a real
danger to most consumers of food. I would wonder if morbid food allergies
would harm more people.
Now excuse me while I deal with this nasty twitch!
--
You are deeply attached to your friends and acquaintances.
GreyCloud
:-))
A lot of produce in the winter is shipped from Peru, Mexico and
elsewhere. I don't know what their regulations on farming and the use
of pesticides are.
Chris Ahlstrom
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>> I'm not sure that, in today's regulated environment, pesticides are a real
>> danger to most consumers of food. I would wonder if morbid food allergies
>> would harm more people.
>>
>> Now excuse me while I deal with this nasty twitch!
>
> :-))
>
> A lot of produce in the winter is shipped from Peru, Mexico and
> elsewhere. I don't know what their regulations on farming and the use
> of pesticides are.
Just make sure your wife isn't putting anti-freeze in your wine. ;->
--
Q: What is purple and commutes?
A: An Abelian grape.
Roy Schestowitz
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____/ Chris Ahlstrom on Saturday 19 Dec 2009 02:32 : \____
> GreyCloud pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>> Hadron wrote:
>>> GreyCloud <mi...@cumulus.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>> Very interesting bit of info there. It just convinces me to go vegan.
>>>
>>> Wow. Because vegetables are really safe eh?
>
> Vegetables are not only safe, they are good for you, ceteris paribus.
They help restore and replicate the cells with smaller loss. It's what makes
life longer in many cases.
>> That is the other hard part. A few stores here now carry organically
>> grown vegatables that haven't had pesticides sprayed on them. Plus
>> there are a lot of greenhouses here in the valley that grow a great
>> amount of organics.
>
> I'm not sure that, in today's regulated environment, pesticides are a real
> danger to most consumers of food. I would wonder if morbid food allergies
> would harm more people.
Some scientists have expressed concern about the cycle of water (ocean->cloud->rain>river) getting
a lot of toxins from landfills, industrial spills, and even arsenic that will
kill many children, even before they are born. We engineer a lot of very bad molecules
and disposal is 'too expensive' (so it's sent to countries with poor regulations
like Mexico or China, or even sent in boats to Africa for burial... outsourcing
of poison with some product 'around' it).
Watch the birth defects in Vietnam after the chemical warfare from the US
> Now excuse me while I deal with this nasty twitch!
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