15 Sep 97, Dennis Erlich Day
Tom Klemesrud
Rod Keller (rke...@netaxs.com) wrote:
: Joe Harrington (joe...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
: : 5. Dennis should get in the range of 12-20 million. (Factnet has already
: : turned down 12 million to hide this criminal fraud and criminal
: : conspiracy of the federal court system.
: :
: : 6. Dennis should take his money. Factnet has and will continue to take
: : the felony fraud issues to the goverment relating to all federal
: : districts and international courts where Scientology has conspired to
: : file the fradulent Hubbard 1986 will and the 1982 copyright transfers.
: If this is what happens, I assume they will try to put in a gag clause. I
: have mixed feelings about this. Dennis is one of the best things to ever
: happen to a.r.s, and opened my eyes to things about the cult that I wasn't
: aware of in months of reading the group. But people have to get out of
: these lawsuits sometime. Arnie got out with a $2,500 loss, and millions
: lost by Scientology. If Dennis can see his way clear to getting out one
: way or another, I hope he does, having already cost them millions on his
: own. We need more folks who escape from the legal monster.
One way he will not get out of it without sharing his prize, is to
cop a plea of using my BBS for copyright infringement. If he does
that, he's violated my BBS rules and regulations--and particularly
will have to pay my legal expenses in my suit, among other possible
sanctions.
I do not say this with any maliciousness; however, it should not be
profitable to attack--through a judicially-ruled potentially liable ISP--a
criminal orgnization, knowing fully well that such criminal organization
must pay out in the end because its laundry cannot stand the light of
day--while ensnarling other third parties in ruination of Judge Whyte's
unjustness.
: : Prepare yourselves for the Biggest day in ARS history Sept 15, 1997.
: : Let's all be glad if Scientolgy makes Dennis Erlich the first of many
: : millionares.
Set the amount high Dennis, for you will have to share if you admit
infringement.
: If it happens, I couldn't be happier. But let's get folks out one way or
: the other. Hopefully, without a gag order.
I'll be able to penetrate any gag order.
Tom Klemesrud SP6
KoX
Zinjifar
Tom.. most of us are not inline to suck up Dennis' awards.
So you're not likely to find many supporters.
If Dennis signs on to a gag order we'll have to think about that then.
He's not a nice guy.. but he's right.
I was already a critic when I saw your blood story, and I appreciate how much
support you gave Dennis when he needed it.
If and when the court stuff awards Dennis his pound of flesh.. he will have
deserved it.
And you will too.. but if Dennis signs on to a gag order, it will be saying
that he is a whore
And he knows it, and you know it
and we know it.
I don't think he'll do it.
But he is getting tired.
Don't chop up the chicken till you've caught it.
Zinj
In article <tomklemE...@netcom.com>, tom...@netcom.com says...
Zinjifar
While I'd rather deal with my original post Dennis.. I'll deal with this
If you had not been raided (you and arnie and anon penet fi )
I might not have given a fuck about scientology.
That I said that I don't think you're a nice guy is totally true.
You are'nt.
An impressive guy.
Somebody who I respect.
A victim in a world where many are victims for no more reason than that they
walked over a crosswalk without looking.
Dennis
I think you got fucked
That is mitigated by the fact that you were a cramming officer.
I'm not much into the whole karma thing
but..
could it be true?
In any case..I'm fairly mellow.. but not likely to be impressed by some kind of
crap.
And I think you know that.
Whether you want me as a friend or not I remain
your
Zinj
In article <34132af5...@snews.zippo.com>, inF...@super.zippo.com says...
>
>zinj...@inreach.com (Zinjifar) wrote about YHN:
>
>>He's not a nice guy.
>
> Guess we won't be getting together soon. Lose my phone number.
>
>>I was already a critic when I saw your blood story, and I appreciate how much
>>support you gave Dennis when he needed it.
>
> For not throwing me off the BBS when the scienos wouldn't provide
>proof of ownership of the material they claim copyrights over?
>
> BTW, 3 years later and they ~still~ haven't.
>
>>And you will too.. but if Dennis signs on to a gag order, it will be saying
>>that he is a whore
>
> I promise not to take into consideration what your opinion might be
>regarding actions I take to resolve my suit, Zin.
>
>>And he knows it,
>
> You have no idea what I know.
>
>>and you know it and we know it.
>
> And now the whole world knows it and I am ready to stand alone if I
>need to. I am quite prepared for all you good people to get off this
>bus. It is my journey. You and Tom and anybody else is just along
>for the ride. Want me to pull over now? Getting you off earlier is
>better for me. Lightens the load.
>
>>I don't think he'll do it. But he is getting tired.
>
> Yea, it's almost 9 pm and I dint have my nap today.
>
> My intractability and perseverance will most likely carry me
>through. And if those should run out I still will have my greatest
>source of reserves.
>
> My faith.
>
> Rev. Dennis L Erlich * * the inFormer * *
> <inF...@super.zippo.com>
> <inF...@primenet.com>
Tom Klemesrud
Rev. Dennis Erlich (inF...@super.zippo.com) wrote:
: tom...@netcom.com (Tom Klemesrud) wrote:
: >One way he will not get out of it without sharing his prize, is to
: >cop a plea of using my BBS for copyright infringement.
: Since you've brought this up twice and refused to answer my 2
: emails asking WFT you're talking about, let's just get this nice and
: perfectly clear right now, Tom.
I never got two emails, so I didn't refused to answer.
: This is ~my~ case. You are out of it. You settled. And be very
: certain of this, I will deal with the case as I see fit.
Check again. My name is still on it. But I wish you well. I
want to point out that if you admit infringement, you admit breaking
the rules and regulations of my BBS. Check this with your lawyer.
: Now unless you want to file a new suit against me, and I believe
: the statute of limitation has run out, you have no claim on me and
: never will.
I can cross complain right now if you want: Check with your lawyer.
: So knock off the veiled threats, hey buddy?
Dennis, this is not hostility on my part. It is my way of making sure
the case goes to court, and to protect other ISP's from users ensarling
other ISP's in such a legal fight that Hon. Ron says ISP's are also
liable for. Don't admit infringement and you are okay.
: >If he does
: >that, he's violated my BBS rules and regulations--and particularly
: >will have to pay my legal expenses in my suit, among other possible
: >sanctions.
: In your fever dreams, Tom.
In contract law, Dennis. Check the Rules and Regulations of support.com.
It is in the exhibits. (I doubt Judge Whyte would let you out of this
with money while punishing Netcom and me) Again, see your lawyer.
: >I do not say this with any maliciousness;
: Oh no. I gotta laugh.
: >however, it should not be
: >profitable to attack--through a judicially-ruled potentially liable ISP--a
: >criminal orgnization, knowing fully well that such criminal organization
: >must pay out in the end because its laundry cannot stand the light of
: >day--while ensnarling other third parties in ruination of Judge Whyte's
: >unjustness.
: Ensnaring, huh? Sounds like you're getting yourself mighty worked
: up, Tom. But nice to know I should watch my back. Thanks.
I am, and have always been on your side.
: >Set the amount high Dennis,
: My case. My decision. Your threats only make me care less about
: how it effects you. If that were possible.
: >for you will have to share if you admit infringement.
: Neither you nor I have any clue what you are talking about, Tom.
: >I'll be able to penetrate any gag order.
: I will deal with the case as best it suits me. Take ~that~ to the
: bank (and just try to cash it). Rotsa ruck.
: I have never given you a reason to try to turn on me in this way.
: And I don't respond that well to being threatened.
: Latches, Tom. LIU
PS: I never agreed to a settlement. The settlement agreement is
not legal in California, because I did not sign it.
Tom Klemesrud SP6
KoX
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wrote:
....
Yet another new address to killfile. Obviously, the amount of follow-ups
to his posts was getting low, so he had to change again.
*plonk*
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Tom Klemesrud
Rev. Dennis Erlich (inF...@super.zippo.com) wrote:
: tom...@netcom.com (Tom Klemesrud)'s latest fever dream:
:
: >The scenerio we are talking about is this: Dennis Erlich gets 12 to 20
: >million dollars-
: Hohoho! Larry's case has been to the Supreme Court twice, and look
: at what he collected. Besides, I've said before, $55 million, with no
: strings, is my number. And it goes up $5 mil every time my offer is
: rejected.
: I don't know what's got into you, Tom. If I got $12 mil from them,
: you don't think I do what is necessary to make up for dragging you
: into this mess?
: But since you're dreaming of having a claim on my future millions,
: I might as well tell you.
Get it straight Dennis. If you admit to copyright infringement and
win an award, I will open up that award and enforce my BBS rules and
regulations that call for a user to indemnify legal fees. If you do
not 1) admit copyright infringement, or 2) aren't awarded money; I won't
do that. I want to let your legal team know this in order to factor it
in. It was a courtesy.
The cult can count of a non-secretive agreement because of this. And,
remember their settlement with me is not legal because I did not sign
it.
I am stating un-emotional fact. I don't wish you cursing me. I wish
you'd conduct yourself more cordially towards me.
Please, I won't take your charity :) And I am not turning on you.
Tom Klemesrud SP6
KoX
Number 3
On Mon, 08 Sep 1997 23:53:50 GMT, in message
<34198f6a...@snews.zippo.com>, inF...@super.zippo.com (Rev. Dennis
Erlich) wrote:
>
>tom...@netcom.com (Tom Klemesrud) wrote:
>
>>I wish you'd conduct yourself more cordially towards me.
>
> Like I said, Tom, if you want me to be more cordial, do me a favor
>and lose my number. That's a cordial as I get with someone who
>threatens me with legal action.
hm, i don't think tom is really trying to threaten you with
legal action, except indirectly. i read into it that tom
really doesn't want another secret agreement. you
are able to negotiate one if you want, and if you do,
then tom can use the provision that you signed with
his BBS to unseal that agreement, to see if you admitted
to copyright violation in that agreement, which would
entitle him to recover his expenses in defending against
RTC. If he used that reason to unseal the agreement,
he would be somewhat bound legally to carry through.
However, i think his insurance must have paid most of the,
expenses, and what remains must be pretty small. and his
insurance isn't entitled to more, because they signed the
agreement with RTC. and you probably intended to make
it up to him, anyway, why not in a way that maximizes the
effect.
The neat part is that you couldn't
reveal anything about such an agreement without negating
it, but a third party (tom) can do it, and it is still binding on
the parties.
furthermore, tom is doing you a courtesy by telling you this,
so that you and mofo are clear on what the situation is.
course, i'm not on the inside track, but that's just what it's
seemed to me. tom has been mentioning this for a while.
> Put any future "personal communication" to me through MoFo.
>
i remember how a personal conversation cleared a lot of
hard words between you and martin.
-- see...@ix.netcom.com (Number 3)
Friends of Dennis Erlich Club (www.netcom.com/~seekon/friends.html)
Hud Nordin
In article <3415fa1c...@nntp.netcom.com> see...@ix.netcom.com (Number 3) writes:
>On Mon, 08 Sep 1997 23:53:50 GMT, in message
><34198f6a...@snews.zippo.com>, inF...@super.zippo.com (Rev. Dennis
>Erlich) wrote:
>> Like I said, Tom, if you want me to be more cordial, do me a favor
>>and lose my number. That's a cordial as I get with someone who
>>threatens me with legal action.
>
> hm, i don't think tom is really trying to threaten you with
> legal action, except indirectly. i read into it that tom
> really doesn't want another secret agreement. you
> are able to negotiate one if you want, and if you do,
> then tom can use the provision that you signed with
> his BBS to unseal that agreement, to see if you admitted
> to copyright violation in that agreement, which would
> entitle him to recover his expenses in defending against
> RTC. If he used that reason to unseal the agreement,
> he would be somewhat bound legally to carry through.
> However, i think his insurance must have paid most of the,
> expenses, and what remains must be pretty small. and his
> insurance isn't entitled to more, because they signed the
> agreement with RTC. and you probably intended to make
> it up to him, anyway, why not in a way that maximizes the
> effect.
AFAIK, my legal education coming mostly from the sage Judge Wapner, the
fact that an insurance policy protects one from directly having to pay
out does not mean he can't turn around and sue the cause of the problem
for the same amount. A person pays for insurance to provide that
service. It is a distinct transaction unrelated to the tort.
This came up all the time on People's Court, where a defendant would
argue that, e.g., his negligent damage to a plaintiff's car was made
good by the plaintiff's insurance, so defendant therefore had no
responsibility to pay plaintiff a second time. That argument was a
loser every time.
--
Hud Nordin <h...@netcom.com> Silicon Valley / The City of Sunnyvale / California
Martin Hunt
In article <341a060b...@snews.zippo.com>,
inF...@super.zippo.com (Rev. Dennis Erlich) wrote:
>see...@ix.netcom.com (Number 3) wrote:
>> i remember how a personal conversation cleared a lot of
>> hard words between you and martin.
>
> Unfortunately, the time for private discussion has passed. At this
>point this matter must be referred to MoFo.
Former friends, now friends threatening legal action against friends.
This is a sad day.
I'm truly sorry to see Tom and Dennis come to this after all
they've been through together.
--
Cogito, ergo sum. Use "Xenu" in Subject: line of email.
Ted
inF...@super.zippo.com (Rev. Dennis Erlich) wrote:
>mar...@islandnet.com (Martin Hunt) wrote:
>
>>I'm truly sorry to see Tom and Dennis come to this after all
>>they've been through together.
>
> The cult counts on the pressure they create to bring out the worst in
>their enemies and get them to turn on each other.
>
> Rev. Dennis L Erlich * * the inFormer * *
> <inF...@super.zippo.com>
> <inF...@primenet.com>
So, don't make it easy for them. Tom can speak for himself, but I
didn't perceive the threat-level in his post that you did. Postings
to USENET should never be confused with real life; if only because the
redundancy present in real life -- hand waving, facial mobility, etc,
clarifing intent and meaning -- are missing. Sure one can make
liberal use of smileys, but personally, I consider them inadequate,
trite and pretty much useless; perhaps even obnoxious; I hate 'em.
(Great. Now I'll be flamed by the Smiley Cult.)
Much slack. [And, don't take any wooden keyboards. The splinters
are just a bitch! d;) ]
Ted
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