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Shashank  
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 More options Jun 2 2005, 3:16 am
Newsgroups: comp.object.corba
From: "Shashank" <shashank...@gmail.com>
Date: 2 Jun 2005 00:16:39 -0700
Local: Thurs, Jun 2 2005 3:16 am
Subject: Re: What is Corba used for?

>Again, the 4th times: I was "guessing"!! Also, pls read considerations
>I put in previous post. Besides, I don't recall POSIX standard needs to
>deal with header files generated from an user specified interface file.
>Pls enlight us!

What about generated from standard corba interfaces??

>If IETF, TMF, and especially W3C also doing the samething and saying
>"we are as good as a place as any", do you agree?

OMG today is writing standards for middleware. So whatever is required
for the longevity, portability etc. of such softwares, it must take
initiative to address that. It may do that in conjunction with other
existing bodies, but that is upto it.!!

>Now, you start to agree "it is non-trivial"!? It is definitly doable,
>and has been repeatly independently done for many years, many times, by
>many people, in many commercial products and student projects. But, to
>"standardize" this be able to meet reasonably generic application needs
>is more than to implement it for few specific applications and few
>specific platforms.

I think its not trivial. But definitely required for building up a
portable and more widely deployable applications. And more for
promoting/ popularity of CORBA among user community.

And so a concerted effort is required to achieve the same.

>See previous post. Also, I don't see other comparable "middleware"
>technologies "standardized" this. Which one? J2EE and .NET do
>standardize their system interfaces. However, they are both (claimed to
>be) middlewares, as well as programming environment/platforms. If you
>are really ambitious to extend CORBA beyond middleware scope to become
>a programming environment/platform as well, you should:

You are making me wonder !! Should not middleware provide uniform
programming model as well. CORBA does provides a programming model/
environment only thing is it is limited for its own usage and to an
extent it provides some powerful mechanism (Servant Managers for
programmers) still it must be enhanced to assist end users or
application programmer, specifically portability.

And this will definitely help to even tool vendors to develop better
corba based tools.

>Make it clear in OMG, especially to most members and AB. This is not
>a small move. and it should be done top down, starting from an overall
>architecture vision, and the foundition hierarchy, rather than bottom
>up, starting from a specific system interfaces without knowing whether
>and where it would fit in within the final architecture.

Here is the list of platforms supported by Visibroker CORBA
implementation

http://info.borland.com/techpubs/visibroker/platforms/vbj45.html

I assume most of the vendors would have already abstracted in their
implementation a uniform application interfaces over os for developing
their own corba implementation. As most of the vendors provide CORBA
implementation over no of platforms.

Why and how will it be different than providing (Definitely it will be
some effort for adjustment. But overall good for corba industry.

I mean what is stopping vendors themselves proposing this to OMG. As
TAO has done. And  in most probability others would have done it
already.

If not let ACE framework be made as standard.

>At least define your system interfaces using IDL, instead of language
>specific;

I think most of big application developers do it. We also do it. Still
it should be addressed by middleware.

regards

 -------------
Shashank D. Jha
iCMG
e-mail shash...@icmgworld.com


 
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