> It gives some ridiculous results in The Bronx, NY. For instance, plot the
> directions from 380 W. Tremont Avenue to 379 W. Tremont Avenue, or vice
> versa, in the Bronx. There's no way those two addresses are that far apart.
Sticking with iOS 5 for the foreseeable future.
> Then plot the location of 8033 W. Tremont Avenue (an address used in last
> night's episode of Elementary on CBS).
We saw the pilot of Elementary - not sure we'll continue. Anyway now that I've severed the cable, I'll have to wait 'til it goes "web".
Maybe I'll set up an antenna to catch HDTV...
-- "There were, unfortunately, no great principles on which parties
were divided – politics became a mere struggle for office."
-Sir John A. Macdonald
On 10/5/12 4:37 PM, in article
michelle-464E0C.14373905102...@news.eternal-september.org, "Michelle
Steiner" <miche...@michelle.org> wrote:
> It gives some ridiculous results in The Bronx, NY. For instance, plot the
> directions from 380 W. Tremont Avenue to 379 W. Tremont Avenue, or vice
> versa, in the Bronx. There's no way those two addresses are that far apart.
> Then plot the location of 8033 W. Tremont Avenue (an address used in last
> night's episode of Elementary on CBS).
Maybe you should see if Apple Maps can find 77 Sunset Strip?
In article <michelle-464E0C.14373905102...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Michelle Steiner <miche...@michelle.org> wrote:
> It gives some ridiculous results in The Bronx, NY. For instance, plot the > directions from 380 W. Tremont Avenue to 379 W. Tremont Avenue, or vice > versa, in the Bronx. There's no way those two addresses are that far apart.
> Then plot the location of 8033 W. Tremont Avenue (an address used in last > night's episode of Elementary on CBS).
Aside from some bizarre things like that, it is full of errors. It has a minimum of two errors in street names (including the street where I live) in my city. And Google Maps isn't just picking on this city; it's an equal-opportunity bucket of bugs.
> It gives some ridiculous results in The Bronx, NY. For instance, plot the
> directions from 380 W. Tremont Avenue to 379 W. Tremont Avenue, or vice
> versa, in the Bronx. There's no way those two addresses are that far apart.
I haven't gotten a bum steer from GMaps to date. I have gotten routings that were not optimal, but they weren't grossly off.
Sticking to iOS 5 for the foreseeable future.
A friend of mine was over last night all atwitter over the iPhone 5 but reluctant to give up Street View (He's a technical specialist and calls on clients all over the region. He likes to check street view so he can eyeball the place before he drives up. Saves him time in locating addresses and parking).
His daughter is salivating over the prospect of taking over his iPhone 4. The pressure is on...
-- "There were, unfortunately, no great principles on which parties
were divided – politics became a mere struggle for office."
-Sir John A. Macdonald
In article <Dp6dnWkCm9gN1O3NnZ2dnUVZ_q2dn...@giganews.com>,
Alan Browne <alan.bro...@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2012.10.05 17:37 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
> > It gives some ridiculous results in The Bronx, NY. For instance, plot the
> > directions from 380 W. Tremont Avenue to 379 W. Tremont Avenue, or vice
> > versa, in the Bronx. There's no way those two addresses are that far apart.
> I haven't gotten a bum steer from GMaps to date. I have gotten routings > that were not optimal, but they weren't grossly off.
It has major problems with small town and rural addresses in many areas, however.
> Sticking to iOS 5 for the foreseeable future.
> A friend of mine was over last night all atwitter over the iPhone 5 but > reluctant to give up Street View (He's a technical specialist and calls > on clients all over the region. He likes to check street view so he can > eyeball the place before he drives up. Saves him time in locating > addresses and parking).
No Street View? I'm happier than ever that I don't have to use it!
Street View is often how I refine searches.
> In article <Dp6dnWkCm9gN1O3NnZ2dnUVZ_q2dn...@giganews.com>,
> Alan Browne <alan.bro...@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>> It gives some ridiculous results in The Bronx, NY. For instance, plot
>>> the directions from 380 W. Tremont Avenue to 379 W. Tremont Avenue, or
>>> vice versa, in the Bronx. There's no way those two addresses are that
>>> far apart.
>> I haven't gotten a bum steer from GMaps to date. I have gotten routings
>> that were not optimal, but they weren't grossly off.
> Well, it's grossly off for some addresses on West Tremont Avenue in The
> Bronx, NY. Apple's new Maps gets it right.
>> Sticking to iOS 5 for the foreseeable future.
> Whatever. If Maps is the most important part of the OS for you, I can
> understand your concern, but the flaws in the database are rapidly being
> fixed, and as I've shown, Google's Maps data are not perfect.
I have other reasons to prefer Google Maps, one being a month worth of recording tracks of trails in the woods (two locations) and then painstakingly entering them in Google Map Maker. Google Maps directions will even plot the best track through the wood trail network when in "pedestrian" mode... (I don't 'need' that, but it's cool to show people).
BTW: It's all very nice Michelle that you're sifting through the small, small number of Google Maps errors to diminish the Apple Map fiasco but it doesn't stick.
It will take Apple likely a year to get it to an error rate comparable to Google Maps.
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were divided – politics became a mere struggle for office."
-Sir John A. Macdonald
In article <t5qdnReyA-dx_e3NnZ2dnUVZ_r6dn...@giganews.com>,
Alan Browne <alan.bro...@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> It will take Apple likely a year to get it to an error rate comparable > to Google Maps.
Got some data to back up that assertion?
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At 06 Oct 2012 09:27:21 -0700 Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article <CC95B137.906A7%ghost_top...@hotmail.com>,
> George Kerby <ghost_top...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Maybe you should see if Apple Maps can find 77 Sunset Strip?
> Which one: Sunrise, FL, Anderson, MO, Nags Head, NC, Elwood, NE,
Manyana, > NSW, Dagsboro, DE, Jan Juc, VIC, Ocean Grove, BIC, Show Low, AZ, or > Cloudcroft, NM?
Hollywood, CA isn't listed because 77 isn't a real address on Sunset. The
TV show's supposed location (next to Dean Martin's bar) is actually in
the 8500 block of Sunset, but I assume nobody thought "8518 West Sunset
Blvd." sounded nearly as catchy as a theme song...
> In article <t5qdnReyA-dx_e3NnZ2dnUVZ_r6dn...@giganews.com>,
> Alan Browne <alan.bro...@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> It will take Apple likely a year to get it to an error rate comparable
>> to Google Maps.
> Got some data to back up that assertion?
It's my opinion. Believe it or not there is no requirement on usenet to post only things that can be backed up with data nor to write disclaimers with every utterance.
-- "There were, unfortunately, no great principles on which parties
were divided – politics became a mere struggle for office."
-Sir John A. Macdonald
> Whatever. If Maps is the most important part of the OS for you, I can > understand your concern, but the flaws in the database are rapidly being > fixed, and as I've shown, Google's Maps data are not perfect.
Michelle, it is not realistic for Apple to fix flaws in a matter of
weeks. For one thing, they do not have the army of people to fix them,
and even with Google's 7000 mapping employees, we are talking about
years, not weeks.
Jolly Roger <jollyro...@pobox.com> wrote:
> In article <t5qdnReyA-dx_e3NnZ2dnUVZ_r6dn...@giganews.com>,
> Alan Browne <alan.bro...@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> It will take Apple likely a year to get it to an error rate comparable >> to Google Maps.
Michelle Steiner <miche...@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <Dp6dnWkCm9gN1O3NnZ2dnUVZ_q2dn...@giganews.com>,
> Alan Browne <alan.bro...@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>> It gives some ridiculous results in The Bronx, NY. For instance, plot >>> the directions from 380 W. Tremont Avenue to 379 W. Tremont Avenue, or >>> vice versa, in the Bronx. There's no way those two addresses are that >>> far apart.
>> I haven't gotten a bum steer from GMaps to date. I have gotten routings >> that were not optimal, but they weren't grossly off.
> Well, it's grossly off for some addresses on West Tremont Avenue in The > Bronx, NY. Apple's new Maps gets it right.
>> Sticking to iOS 5 for the foreseeable future.
> Whatever. If Maps is the most important part of the OS for you, I can > understand your concern, but the flaws in the database are rapidly being > fixed, and as I've shown, Google's Maps data are not perfect.
I've been complaing to google for almost two years now, but as I wrote
earlier, Street View and a lot of zooming usually let me find the place I'm
hunting, so I can drop a pin and save it.
> In article <t5qdnReyA-dx_e3NnZ2dnUVZ_r6dn...@giganews.com>,
> Alan Browne <alan.bro...@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> BTW: It's all very nice Michelle that you're sifting through the small,
>> small number of Google Maps errors to diminish the Apple Map fiasco but
>> it doesn't stick.
> I didn't sift through anything; I stumbled across it when checking an
> address on a TV show. If the address had not been purported to be in the
> area where I grew up, I wouldn't have bothered.
For every stumble you make with Google Maps many more other people are stumbling over more with Apple Maps. That will take a long time to wring out.
-- "There were, unfortunately, no great principles on which parties
were divided – politics became a mere struggle for office."
-Sir John A. Macdonald
> In article <XZCdnViBWdX6Ge3NnZ2dnUVZ_t-dn...@giganews.com>,
> Alan Browne <alan.bro...@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>> BTW: It's all very nice Michelle that you're sifting through the
>>>> small, small number of Google Maps errors to diminish the Apple Map
>>>> fiasco but it doesn't stick.
>>> I didn't sift through anything; I stumbled across it when checking an
>>> address on a TV show. If the address had not been purported to be in
>>> the area where I grew up, I wouldn't have bothered.
>> For every stumble you make with Google Maps many more other people are
>> stumbling over more with Apple Maps. That will take a long time to
>> wring out.
> So what is your point? Note that the subject of this thread says that
> Google maps needs much less work than Apple maps. All you're doing is
> confirming what I said in the first place.
The title says that now because I changed it.
-- "There were, unfortunately, no great principles on which parties
were divided – politics became a mere struggle for office."
-Sir John A. Macdonald
> In article <6-ydnbWdD-EwFu3NnZ2dnUVZ_h6dn...@giganews.com>,
> Alan Browne <alan.bro...@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>> So what is your point? Note that the subject of this thread says that
>>> Google maps needs much less work than Apple maps. All you're doing is
>>> confirming what I said in the first place.
>> The title says that now because I changed it.
> My apologies; I thought that's what I had written in the first place.
No apology necessary - esp. after I screwed with your subject entry.
-- "There were, unfortunately, no great principles on which parties
were divided – politics became a mere struggle for office."
-Sir John A. Macdonald
Steiner" <miche...@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <CC95B137.906A7%ghost_top...@hotmail.com>,
> George Kerby <ghost_top...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> It gives some ridiculous results in The Bronx, NY. For instance, plot
>>> the directions from 380 W. Tremont Avenue to 379 W. Tremont Avenue, or
>>> vice versa, in the Bronx. There's no way those two addresses are that
>>> far apart.
>>> Then plot the location of 8033 W. Tremont Avenue (an address used in
>>> last night's episode of Elementary on CBS).
>> Maybe you should see if Apple Maps can find 77 Sunset Strip?
> Which one: Sunrise, FL, Anderson, MO, Nags Head, NC, Elwood, NE, Manyana,
> NSW, Dagsboro, DE, Jan Juc, VIC, Ocean Grove, BIC, Show Low, AZ, or
> Cloudcroft, NM?
Cloudcroft eh? Been there a few times and never saw that. Have a friend that
works at The Lodge and loves the area. The most striking thing I remember
was the great decent westward into Alamogordo and the White Sands.
As a matter of fact, I was looking for Efrem Zimbalist Jr.'s office next to
Deno's. We need his firm to find Barack Obama's testicles (we found the
empty chair and suit already).
<eleccon...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
> At 06 Oct 2012 09:27:21 -0700 Michelle Steiner wrote:
>> In article <CC95B137.906A7%ghost_top...@hotmail.com>,
>> George Kerby <ghost_top...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Maybe you should see if Apple Maps can find 77 Sunset Strip?
>> Which one: Sunrise, FL, Anderson, MO, Nags Head, NC, Elwood, NE,
> Manyana, >> NSW, Dagsboro, DE, Jan Juc, VIC, Ocean Grove, BIC, Show Low, AZ, or
>> Cloudcroft, NM?
> Hollywood, CA isn't listed because 77 isn't a real address on Sunset. The
> TV show's supposed location (next to Dean Martin's bar) is actually in
> the 8500 block of Sunset, but I assume nobody thought "8518 West Sunset
> Blvd." sounded nearly as catchy as a theme song...
I guess Michelle isn't old enough to remember that. I thought it was a good
parallel to finding some supposed address for another TV show she mentioned
based in NYC.
>>>> Maybe you should see if Apple Maps can find 77 Sunset Strip?
>>> Which one: Sunrise, FL, Anderson, MO, Nags Head, NC, Elwood, NE,
>>> Manyana, NSW, Dagsboro, DE, Jan Juc, VIC, Ocean Grove, BIC, Show Low,
>>> AZ, or Cloudcroft, NM?
>> Hollywood, CA isn't listed because 77 isn't a real address on Sunset.
> Yes, I know. But you didn't say Hollywood, or even California. So I
> jokingly asked which one you meant.
>>>>> It will take Apple likely a year to get it to an error rate comparable
>>>>> to Google Maps.
>>>> Got some data to back up that assertion?
>>> google has been working on maps for nearly a decade
>>> apple has been working on maps for a few years.
>>> a year to fix things is very optimistic.
>> OK, no data; just an opinion.
> the first two are data. you might consider the third to be an opinion,
> but it's the only possibility given the first two items.
The overall look of the Google map works better on the small screen of an
iPhone. The main streets are in Yellow and the side streets show up better.
There is a lot to revise besides simply the data in Apple Map App.
Alan Browne <alan.bro...@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>On 2012.10.06 16:03 , AaronL wrote:
>>> A friend of mine was over last night all atwitter over the iPhone 5 but
>>> reluctant to give up Street View
>I just realized that he misled me as Google Maps does not have street >view in it.
But the mobile Google Maps app does have Street View. At least the
ones I use do (non-updated iPad3 and Android phone).
