White list
Steve
Sending email with my email server, is there really important to pay and
to be white listed ?
- What is your feedback guys ?
I have some time to time, some emails, staying into the queue... with no
real reasons... recently I read that we were grey listed... After
checking on spamhaus, I am not listed at all ???
What do you think about that ?
Would it better to get regsitered ?
If so, with who ( who seems to be the best ? )
Thanks
ska
> Sending email with my email server, is there really important to pay and
> to be white listed ?
To be whitelisted is always a good idea, for example get yourself a
smarthost, e.g. from your ISP, to transmit your mail through.
> real reasons... recently I read that we were grey listed... After
Are you refering to this greylisting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greylisting
?
You write "no real reason"? Where do you get this idea from?
> checking on spamhaus, I am not listed at all ???
Which has nothing to do with greylisting (in the sense mentioned
above).
If you has a dynamically allocated address (DUL), many MTAs reject
your host without authorization right away.
-ska
Steve
Hi,
No, I don't have any dynamic IP Address, and I read this message on
Webmin ( I use webmin to check my mail queue. And this is where I found
that I was greylisted and I was aksed to come back later :-)
OK..I will consider being whitelisted.... Is whitelisted.org a good one ?
( At least not a fake one, pretending whitelisting you and grab your
money... )
Thanks
mikea
> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:41:50 -0800, ska wrote:
>
>> Steve wrote:
>>> Sending email with my email server, is there really important to pay
>>> and to be white listed ?
>>
>> To be whitelisted is always a good idea, for example get yourself a
>> smarthost, e.g. from your ISP, to transmit your mail through.
>>
>>> real reasons... recently I read that we were grey listed... After
>>
>> Are you refering to this greylisting:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greylisting ?
>>
>> You write "no real reason"? Where do you get this idea from?
>>
>>> checking on spamhaus, I am not listed at all ???
>>
>> Which has nothing to do with greylisting (in the sense mentioned above).
>> If you has a dynamically allocated address (DUL), many MTAs reject your
>> host without authorization right away.
> Hi,
>
> No, I don't have any dynamic IP Address, and I read this message on
> Webmin ( I use webmin to check my mail queue. And this is where I found
> that I was greylisted and I was aksed to come back later :-)
>
> OK..I will consider being whitelisted.... Is whitelisted.org a good one ?
> ( At least not a fake one, pretending whitelisting you and grab your
> money... )
>
> Thanks
Greylisting just means telling you to go away and wait a while before
you're allowed to connect.
I run mail filters for a living; I would not consider using any external
whitelist whatsoever, though I do use certain external blacklists.
--
Mike Andrews, W5EGO
mi...@mikea.ath.cx
Tired old sysadmin
Loki Harfagr
> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:41:50 -0800, ska wrote:
>
>> Steve wrote:
>>> Sending email with my email server, is there really important to pay
>>> and to be white listed ?
>>
>> To be whitelisted is always a good idea, for example get yourself a
>> smarthost, e.g. from your ISP, to transmit your mail through.
>>
>>> real reasons... recently I read that we were grey listed... After
>>
>> Are you refering to this greylisting:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greylisting ?
>>
>> You write "no real reason"? Where do you get this idea from?
>>
>>> checking on spamhaus, I am not listed at all ???
>>
>> Which has nothing to do with greylisting (in the sense mentioned
>> above). If you has a dynamically allocated address (DUL), many MTAs
>> reject your host without authorization right away.
>>
>> -ska
>
>
> Hi,
>
> No, I don't have any dynamic IP Address, and I read this message on
> Webmin ( I use webmin to check my mail queue. And this is where I found
> that I was greylisted and I was aksed to come back later :-)
getting whitelisted on an "ips.whitestuff.wot" won't do much about
greylisting, greylisting (usually) is just based on a local data base
(or akin) and has nothing to do with black or whilte listings :-)
> OK..I will consider being whitelisted.... Is whitelisted.org a good one
> ? ( At least not a fake one, pretending whitelisting you and grab your
> money... )
>
> Thanks
If you really want to use that kind of stuff you probably
may like to ask this question on news.admin.net-abuse.email
where you'll probably get some advice about it by Vernon Schryver
(and Claus von Wolfhausen ,-)
My idea is that, notwithstanding the quality or felony of the
used stuff, the whitelisting will only be effective on relays
that use those references, for instance none of the servers that
I admin use them, and I believe I'm not alone in that case.
Steve
Thanks for your reply
The problem is that some 'public' email provider like 'hotmail'... NEVER
accept my emails, even if I am not blacklisted !
Why? I suppose that they have specific rules, which is a problem
Do you think, that there another reason ?
Loki Harfagr
That's another and different problem than 'greylisting', problem here is that
you seemed to believe that every MX used the same central and well known 'blacklist'
as you think that you are "not blacklisted".
> Why? I suppose that
> they have specific rules,
Most certainly.
> which is a problem
>
> Do you think, that there another reason ?
Well, there could be so many "reasons" ;-)
When that's the case I suppose you get a DSN with a reject code?
That'd be a good info to start with :-)
Please mind that I'm not the 'hotmail' mailmaster and you may get a
more precise answer about what kind of specific rules they used
on your mails if you try and contact the hotmail services.
Now, I reckon that's not necessarily easy nor even feasible to get
a technical contact with this kind of 'institutions' then you
may have some good old crystal ball advice here if you can post a
good sample of the DSN you get :-)