HELP!: word-wrapping quoted text
Steve
set up a reply to this mail with the text quoted, it does not word wrap at
all. My own reply text wraps in comportment with the 74 character default
setting. Is there any way to get quoted text in a reply to wrap, other
tahn manually doing CR's each line? PLEASE email me this reply as well as
post to the group, since our news server goes down quite often. Thanks!
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John Haverty
I you put a ">" immediately before the first line in the portion you
want to quote. Then press Ctrl-J it will automatically word wrap for
you with ">" before each line.
We are using 4.10 where I work and this still works and I know this
also worked with earlier versions of Pine too.
John
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Sven Guckes
> If you put a ">" immediately before the first line in the portion you want to
> quote. Then press Ctrl-J it will automatically word wrap for you with ">"
> before each line. We are using 4.10 where I work and this still works
> and I know this also worked with earlier versions of Pine too.
Then pico does preserve the "quote indent" now?
Since when does pico do that?
Btw, don't you hate it when people put the date into the attribution,
quote everything including the signature, and add one of their own?
Sven
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Email: Folderhooks, keybinding, PGP support, scoring, text coloring, threading,
attaching files on the command line; Pine-4: full header editing, sigdashes.
News: Offline reading, multiple servers, "cancel" posts. -> Use mutt and slrn!
John Moreno
> have...@csi.com (John Haverty):
> > If you put a ">" immediately before the first line in the portion
> > you want to quote. Then press Ctrl-J it will automatically word
> > wrap for you with ">" before each line. [...]
>
> Then pico does preserve the "quote indent" now?
> Since when does pico do that?
And does it really preserve the quote prefix or does it just preserve
the /first/ level of the prefix?
> Btw, don't you hate it when people put the date into the attribution,
> quote everything including the signature, and add one of their own?
Yep.
--
John Moreno
John Haverty
On 1 Mar 1999 11:18:07 GMT, guc...@math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes)
wrote:
>Then pico does preserve the "quote indent" now?
>Since when does pico do that?
Yes. I had been using the option of the quote indent for a couple of
versions now. I do not recall how far back we were able to do this.
I know at least since version 4.0x.
>Btw, don't you hate it when people put the date into the attribution,
>quote everything including the signature, and add one of their own?
Not really. I like the date in the attribution. The sig file
included, well, that was an over sight. <g>
John
John Haverty
On Mon, 01 Mar 1999 11:12:25 -0500, John Moreno <phe...@interpath.com>
wrote:
>And does it really preserve the quote prefix or does it just preserve
>the /first/ level of the prefix?
I believe it only does the first level of the prefix. At least I have
not done anything beyond the first level. Other levels are "normally"
removed from my messages.
John
Sven Guckes
> Sven, [Sorry to quote this, folks, ..
> .. but it is required for the rant.]
>
> On 1 Mar 1999 11:18:07 GMT, guc...@math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes)
> wrote:
> > don't you hate it when people put the date into the attribution,
But why is the date in the attribution? This info is the *header*, anyway!
Besides, an attribution is to attribute the quoted text to a person which
usually is defined in terms of "name " and "address" rather than "time". See?
And if you have to add that info then at least make it *small*:
| guc...@math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes) [990301 11:18 GMT]:
Who gives a f*ck about the *second* someone posted something?
(Other than newsadmins in their quest for unique message-ids?)
And just look at what you have sent. This isn' email -
no need to address this personally to me.
Will Pine users ever see a difference between Email and Usenet?
Is this an officical syndrome yet?
Btw, there is no need or empty lines before the attribute, either.
> >Then pico does preserve the "quote indent" now?
> >Since when does pico do that?
> Yes. I had been using the option of the quote indent for a couple of
> versions now. I do not recall how far back we were able to do this.
Ah - first level of quote indent only. Way to go, pico developers!
Wait - is pico being developed on this at all? Or do the developers
just happen to add patches they find here? Hmm...
"And the biggest questions is - whwre is the official homepage for pico?"
Sven
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PICO Help Page: http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/pico/usage.html
Nancy this-address-is-valid McGough
> But why is the date in the attribution? This info is the *header*,
> anyway!
>
> Besides, an attribution is to attribute the quoted text to a person
> which usually is defined in terms of "name " and "address" rather
> than "time". See?
I agree that the time is unnecessary but I like to have the date
because the article may have expired on my news server and the date
can help me track it down at DejaNews or one of the other news
archives. I also like having the person's email address so if I want
to respond privately to the person who's message is being quoted, I
don't have to go find the original article to get their email address.
That's why I use the attribution line that I'm using in this msg. FYI,
here's how I specify it in my pinerc:
reply-leadin=On _DAY_ _MONTHABBREV_ _YEAR_, _FROM_ <_ADDRESS_> wrote:
> Btw, there is no need or empty lines before the attribute, either.
Do you mean *after* the attribution line and before the quoted text?
Or what do you mean here?
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Steve Patlan
>have...@csi.com (John Haverty):
>> If you put a ">" immediately before the first line in the portion you want to
>> quote. Then press Ctrl-J it will automatically word wrap for you with ">"
>> and I know this also worked with earlier versions of Pine too.
In article <slrn7dktrf...@rudin.math.fu-berlin.de>,
Sven Guckes <guc...@math.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
>Then pico does preserve the "quote indent" now?
>Since when does pico do that?
Since the mid-3's, maybe the early 3's. My machine is still at 3.95, and
I know it worked with 3.8 and I think 3.7. It only preserves one level of
quoting, but it does that just fine. It's especially useful for
re-justifying quoted text in replies to idiots and Outlook and Netscape
users who send lines that are like 80-100 characters wide. It will also
tick-and-indent text which isn't already ticked. Just add a "> " (the
space is needed) at the beginning of the paragraph and do a ^J. Oh, you
need blank lines between paragraphs (which civilized people do anyway),
otherwise everything will flow together into one big one.
- Steve
--
tex...@starbase.neosoft.com <*>
"Press any key to return to Windows and wait"
Sven Guckes
> On 1 Mar 1999, Sven Guckes <guc...@math.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
> > But why is the date in the attribution?
> > This info is the *header*, anyway!
> server and the date can help me track it down at DejaNews or one of the other
> news archives.
See that references line? It contains a list of N previous articles
and your newsreader should allow you to fetch these from the newsserver.
I bet you knew that, but why won't you use that info? I'll tell you:
Because your newsreader has no command to use that information. Sad.
Btw, slrn has these commands to aid you in finding "previous" articles:
ESC-l Prompt for message-id and get it from newsserver
ESC-p Get previous article off the newsserver
ESC-1-ESC-p Reconstruct thread by fetching all referenced articles
Pine developers - way to go! *grin*
> I also like having the person's email address so if I want to respond
> privately to the person who's message is being quoted, I don't have
> to go find the original article to get their email address.
Absolutely - an address should always be included with the attribution for
that very reason. Unfortunately, "nospam addresses" are hip these days... :-/
> FYI, here's how I specify it in my pinerc:
> reply-leadin=On _DAY_ _MONTHABBREV_ _YEAR_, _FROM_ <_ADDRESS_> wrote:
The date should go last, I think. YMMV.
With slrn you would want to use this then:
% This sets the follow-up string. Here, the following format specifiers are
% recognized: %d:date, %r:realname, %f:emailaddress ("From"),
% %s:subject, %m:msgid, %n:newsgroups, %%: percent-sign
set followup "%f (%r) [%d]:"
This also make it much easier to copy a name+address to an email, btw.
> > Btw, there is no need or empty lines before the attribute, either.
> Do you mean *after* the attribution line and before the quoted text?
Yup. Empty lines between attribution and quoted text are a waste of space.
Sven [come and join the colorfule side of Usenet!]
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Nancy this-address-is-valid McGough
> n...@NoAdsPlease.ii.com (Nancy this-address-is-valid McGough):
> > .. I like to have the date because the article may have expired on
> > my news server and the date can help me track it down at DejaNews
> > or one of the other news archives.
>
> See that references line? It contains a list of N previous articles
> and your newsreader should allow you to fetch these from the newsserver.
> I bet you knew that, but why won't you use that info? I'll tell you:
> Because your newsreader has no command to use that information. Sad.
Being able to easily go to a msg listed in the References header would
be great, but even your newsreader (slrn) can not do that if
the message has expired on your news server. What we need (IMHO) are
IMAP-accessible news *archives* that can easily be linked to from our
newsreaders.
> Btw, slrn has these commands to aid you in finding "previous" articles:
>
> ESC-l Prompt for message-id and get it from newsserver
> ESC-p Get previous article off the newsserver
> ESC-1-ESC-p Reconstruct thread by fetching all referenced articles
But these only work if the articles haven't expired.
> > I also like having the person's email address so if I want to
> > respond privately to the person whose message is being quoted, I
> > don't have to go find the original article to get their email
> > address.
>
> Absolutely - an address should always be included with the
> attribution for that very reason. Unfortunately, "nospam addresses"
> are hip these days... :-/
> This also make it much easier to copy a name+address to an email, btw.
Actually, either _FROM_ <_ADDRESS_> or emailaddress ("From") are
perfectly valid formats for name+address. I think the first is
preferred these days.
> > > Btw, there is no need or empty lines before the attribute, either.
> > Do you mean *after* the attribution line and before the quoted text?
>
> Yup. Empty lines between attribution and quoted text are a waste of space.
I agree and to me it seems harder to figure out what attribution line
goes with what text when there are blank lines.
Robin S. Socha
> On 2 Mar 1999, Sven Guckes <guc...@math.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
>> n...@NoAdsPlease.ii.com (Nancy this-address-is-valid McGough):
[fetch previous articles via keyboard shortcuts]
> Being able to easily go to a msg listed in the References header would be
> great, but even your newsreader (slrn) can not do that if the message has
> expired on your news server.
True. But slrn and Gnus allow for marking articles as ummm... non-expirable
(Gnus does a lot more than slrn, though). If you use that in connection
with a good newsserver, you can keep entire threads for quite some time.
> What we need (IMHO) are IMAP-accessible news *archives* that can easily
> be linked to from our newsreaders.
<http://www.dejanews.com/> Gnus allows for dejanews to be plonked into a
group, so there...
>> Btw, slrn has these commands to aid you in finding "previous" articles:
[examples]
> But these only work if the articles haven't expired.
Stating the obvious? Of course it doesn't work then.
>> Empty lines between attribution and quoted text are a waste of space.
> I agree and to me it seems harder to figure out what attribution line
> goes with what text when there are blank lines.
That's because your newsreader isn't coloured:
<http://socha.net/Gnus/screenshots/article.html> is what you really
want. Shut up, Sven - unless I'm completely mistaken, slrn doesn't colour
more than one level of quotes.
--
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Steve Lamb
<donotccmeor...@socha.net> wrote:
>That's because your newsreader isn't coloured:
><http://socha.net/Gnus/screenshots/article.html> is what you really
>want. Shut up, Sven - unless I'm completely mistaken, slrn doesn't colour
>more than one level of quotes.
And... what? Of what use is that? If I'm not mistaken, GNUS parses the
multiple (ICK!) colors from the level of >'s at the front. If people can't
trim (or read) attributions correctly based on the number of >'s (which is
kinda intuitive, if you ask me), what makes you think color is going to help
any?
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http://www.calweb.com/~morpheus | employer's. They hired me for my
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---------------------------------------+-------------------------------------
Robin S. Socha
^^^^^^^
Too dense for procmail, luser? And this is bollocks:
Reply-To: morp...@no-spam.calweb.com
> On 02 Mar 1999 19:36:08 +0100, Robin S. Socha wrote:
>> Nancy McGough wrote:
>> That's because your newsreader isn't coloured:
> And... what? Of what use is that? If I'm not mistaken, GNUS parses the
> multiple (ICK!) colors from the level of >'s at the front. If people
> can't trim (or read) attributions correctly based on the number of >'s
> (which is kinda intuitive, if you ask me), what makes you think color is
> going to help any?
Experience. The question was:
|>>> I agree and to me it seems harder to figure out what attribution line
|>>> goes with what text when there are blank lines.
--
David Risner
<donotccmeor...@socha.net> wrote:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
And yours is so much better. Not everybody has access to procmail.
Please, discussing the relative merits of the newsreaders is good, but the
personal invectives on all sides really need to stop.
> * Steve Lamb <morp...@no-spam.calweb.com> writes:
> ^^^^^^^
> Too dense for procmail, luser? And this is bollocks:
> Reply-To: morp...@no-spam.calweb.com
My biggest beef about Pine's newsreader is that it is too slow over an NNTP
connection.
Lack of color support is my second biggest beef.
Third would be no kill/watch capabilities. For example, in the b5 moderated
group, I slrn configured to score the articles from JMS very highly. It
puts these threads at the top of my list and I can easly jump through them
using the '!' key. Pine has not way to do this other than doing a search
each time I go to the group.
My biggest beef about slrn is that it doesn't have a really nice mail reader
to go along with it. I'm not saying I want slrn to have a mail reader built
in, but I would like a mail reader of slrn's quality available under Win32
like slrn is.
My second biggest beef would be the lack of integrated mime support (which
is a place where Pine excels); however, this is not all that important in
news groups.
My third biggest beef is that there is no built-in configuration editor.
However, the slrn.rc file which comes with the distribution is well
documented, so this isn't a big problem.
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Sven Guckes
> My biggest beef about Pine's newsreader is that
> it is too slow over an NNTP connection.
> Lack of color support is my second biggest beef.
> Third would be no kill/watch capabilities.
To me there are even more reasons why I do not use Pine:
http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/pine/#why_not
> My biggest beef about slrn is that it doesn't have a really nice mail reader
> to go along with it.
There's the editor "jed" that can also send mails. This editor was
written by the same guy who wrote slrn. Coincidence? I don't think so.
Btw, a newsreader is not supposed to be a mailer. It's a feature!!
> I'm not saying I want slrn to have a mail reader built in, but I would
> like a mail reader of slrn's quality available under Win32 like slrn is.
Well, "jed" has also been ported to Win32 (I think). Try it!
> My second biggest beef would be the lack of integrated mime support
> (which is a place where Pine excels); however, this is not all that
> important in news groups.
Exactly - MIME on Usenet is like HTML in Emails - superfluous (usually).
> My third biggest beef is that there is no built-in configuration editor.
With so many editors about - who needs a builtin editor?
That's a good thing[tm] - makes the binary much smaller.
If you want a newsreader with eveything and sugar on top,
well, use M$Explorer or Netscape. Or Pine for that matter.
> > * Steve Lamb <morp...@no-spam.calweb.com> writes:
> > "no-spam" - Too dense for procmail, luser?
> Robin S. Socha <donotccmeor...@socha.net> wrote:
> And yours is so much better. Not everybody has access to procmail.
Girls - procmail is not really the issue here.
The point is that "donotccmeor...@socha.net
is a *valid* address that you can actually reply to
(even though you'll ghet killed by Robin instantly).
I wonder whether you can reply to "dri...@NOSPAM.net", though...
Sven [reading Usenet posts in COLOR]
Sven Guckes
> > slrn has these commands to aid you in finding "previous" articles:
> > ESC-p Get previous article off the newsserver
> > ESC-1-ESC-p Reconstruct thread by fetching all referenced articles
Duh. Is that the reason why you prefer Pine to Slrn? Come oooon!
Who really has a newsserver with enough disk space for all Usenet?
Well, DejaNews has! www.dejanews.com
Now, where's that slrn slang macro that
fetches expired posts from DejaNews?
Anyone?
Sven
Sven Guckes
> That's because your newsreader isn't coloured:
> is what you really want. Shut up, Sven -
> unless I'm completely mistaken, slrn doesn't
> colour more than one level of quotes.
Well - not yet. But Vim does which makes it easy
to read articles (pipe to "vim -") and reformat them ("gq")
to make them fit onto 80 char lines still after quoting.
Sven
Nancy this-address-is-valid McGough
>
> n...@NoAdsPlease.ii.com (Nancy this-address-is-valid McGough):
>
> Duh. Is that the reason why you prefer Pine to Slrn? Come oooon!
This part of the discussion was about whether one should include the
date in the attribution line. I said I like the date to be there
because it makes it easier to track down the original article if it
has expired. You said slrn has all these great commands that will get
you to the article. That's very cool but all I was saying is that it
doesn't help if the article has expired. So I stand by my original
statement that it's nice to include the date in the attribution line.
> Who really has a newsserver with enough disk space for all Usenet?
> Well, DejaNews has! www.dejanews.com
If those archives were accessible via IMAP, we could use Pine to
access them. This would be infinitely better (IMHO) than the painfully
slow process of reading news using a web browser.
> Now, where's that slrn slang macro that
> fetches expired posts from DejaNews?
Is there really such a macro? Does it present the expired article in
slrn or does it present it in a browser. Very cool feature though.
Sven Guckes
> > Who really has a newsserver with enough disk space for all Usenet?
> > Well, DejaNews has! www.dejanews.com
> If those archives were accessible via IMAP, we could use Pine to access them.
> This would be infinitely better (IMHO) than the painfully slow process of
> reading news using a web browser.
Now, there's an idea. But this seems to be "Dejavu all over again".
Didn't the folks at DejaNews say they will not add an IMAP interface?!
> > Now, where's that slrn slang macro that
> > fetches expired posts from DejaNews?
> Is there really such a macro? Does it present the expired article in
> slrn or does it present it in a browser. Very cool feature though.
Well, I think I once saw or read about a macro that
uses "wget" to get the article/page off DejeNews.
Anyone?
Sven
John Moreno
If you can call a browser or make a http requst through slang then it's
easy:
<http://www.dejanews.com/msgid.xp?MID=%3C1slrn7dr5l...@rudin.math.fu-berlin.de%3E>
--
John Moreno
Peppe
> Now, where's that slrn slang macro that
> fetches expired posts from DejaNews?
How about the following:
define dejanews_mid ()
{
variable mid, len, data, command;
mid = read_mini ("Find which message ID on dejanews", "", "");
mid = strtrim (mid);
len = strlen (mid);
if (mid[0] == '<' & mid[len-1] == '>')
mid = substr (mid, 2, len-2);
% Why doesn't this work?
%mid = str_replace_all (mid, "+", "%");
% Format a proper query for dejanews:
data = strcat ("?'MID=%3C", mid);
data = strcat (data, "%3E&ST=&AH=1'");
command = strcat ("lynx http://www.dejanews.com/msgid.xp", data);
() = system (command);
}
It accepts message Id's with and without surrounding '<' and '>'.s
So far it works well for me, except when the ID contains a "+".
Dejanews needs to have this character substituted by "%" (probably
others as well). I tried to work around it using str_replace_all:
define str_replace_all (orig, match, replacement)
{
while (str_replace (orig, match, replacement))
orig = ();
return orig;
}
Unfortunately this garbles the ID:
before: Z+A5sCBR...@thunderbird-sport.freeserve.co.uk
after: ZĄsCBRfm...@thunderbird-sport.freeserve.co.uk
Here "+A5" have been replaced by "Ą". Anybody know why?
Peppe
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Peppe
> If you can call a browser or make a http requst through slang then it's
> easy:
> <http://www.dejanews.com/msgid.xp?MID=%3C1slrn7dr5l...@rudin.math.fu-berlin.de%3E>
Hmm, making a manual entry, dejanews seems to add "&ST=&AH=1" to such
an URL. Probably some extra info in the form.
For those who saw my other post, and intend to use the small script
therein, an optional tiny diff:
15c15
< data = strcat (data, "%3E&ST=&AH=1'");
---
> data = strcat (data, "%3E'");
Peppe
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Steve Lamb
>Too dense for procmail, luser? And this is bollocks:
>Reply-To: morp...@no-spam.calweb.com
No, not at all. Call it a large hint that I do *NOT* want responses
from news, perioud. Besides, when I implimented that no-spam.calweb.com was
a valid domain.
From <http://www.calweb.com/spam/>:
If you post to the newsgroups, consider posting as
user...@ihatebulkemail.calweb.com,user...@no-spam.calweb.com, or as
nob...@calweb.com . If we receive any email for
user...@ihatebulkemail.calweb.com or user...@no-spam.calweb.com,we will
refuse to accept it, with an error message. Any newsgroup postings made with
a completely normal email address will result in spam within mere hours. (On
my test posts, I get spammed within 6-8 hours, and have 5-6 spams in the
first 2 days, on a new account!)
>Experience. The question was:
You forgot something, here, let me fix it for you.
s/Experience/In my experience/;
Steve Lamb
>And yours is so much better. Not everybody has access to procmail.
Nor does everyone want to. See Exim someday. ;)
>My biggest beef about slrn is that it doesn't have a really nice mail reader
>to go along with it. I'm not saying I want slrn to have a mail reader built
>in, but I would like a mail reader of slrn's quality available under Win32
>like slrn is.
Mutt hasn't been ported? I'd think it would have been. Look at PMMail.
Personally that is what I use.
>My second biggest beef would be the lack of integrated mime support (which
>is a place where Pine excels); however, this is not all that important in
>news groups.
Exactly.
>My third biggest beef is that there is no built-in configuration editor.
>However, the slrn.rc file which comes with the distribution is well
>documented, so this isn't a big problem.
It really isn't. It is about the only think that I'm not too keen on,
but a well documented rc file does me fine.
Christopher Browne
>dri...@NOSPAM.net (David Risner):
>> My biggest beef about Pine's newsreader is that
>> it is too slow over an NNTP connection.
>> Lack of color support is my second biggest beef.
>> Third would be no kill/watch capabilities.
>
>To me there are even more reasons why I do not use Pine:
> http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/pine/#why_not
>
>> to go along with it.
>
>written by the same guy who wrote slrn. Coincidence? I don't think so.
>
>Btw, a newsreader is not supposed to be a mailer. It's a feature!!
True, and that of course agrees with David's next statement....
>> I'm not saying I want slrn to have a mail reader built in, but I would
>> like a mail reader of slrn's quality available under Win32 like slrn is.
>
>Well, "jed" has also been ported to Win32 (I think). Try it!
The mail client that seems to be most comparable to slrn is "Mutt."
<http://www.mutt.org/>
- It uses S-LANG, just like slrn
- It has a user interface that works a whole lot like slrn
I don't know if it has a Win32 port.
>> My second biggest beef would be the lack of integrated mime support
>> (which is a place where Pine excels); however, this is not all that
>> important in news groups.
>
>Exactly - MIME on Usenet is like HTML in Emails - superfluous
>(usually).
But MIME in email is a different story; that *can* be quite appropriate.
>> My third biggest beef is that there is no built-in configuration
>> editor.
>
>With so many editors about - who needs a builtin editor?
>That's a good thing[tm] - makes the binary much smaller.
>If you want a newsreader with eveything and sugar on top,
>well, use M$Explorer or Netscape. Or Pine for that matter.
I don't think that's the issue. It would be perfectly fine to spawn a
configuration editor as a separate process.
The point is that there's nothing that provides a *structured* way of
editing the configuration.
A text editor provides a completely unstructured way to do so; it would
be quite nice to have something like unto the "dotfile editor" that
exists for .emacs, .fvwmrc, .cshrc, and other such, or perhaps something
like the structured config editor provided in recent editions of GNU
Emacs (and likely XEmacs).
--
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Heikki Kantola
news.software.readers with the following:
>dri...@NOSPAM.net (David Risner):
>> My second biggest beef would be the lack of integrated mime support
>> (which is a place where Pine excels); however, this is not all that
>> important in news groups.
>
>Exactly - MIME on Usenet is like HTML in Emails - superfluous (usually).
If we think about MIME in its broadest sense, I would say there's some
use for MIME in news too, having MIME-headers telling us what charset
the message uses is Good Thing[tm], although it's indeed questionable
if things like multipart messages and often needless encodings belong
to news...
--
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osoitteeseen sitoudut maksamaan oikolukupalvelusta FIM500 alkavalta
tunnilta.
Robin S. Socha
> Does `slrn' (Gnus) support IMAP4, LDAP and MIME? No!
No? You poor, poor malinformed little thing...
> This is a News group about Pine.
Really? Damn, and I thought it was about drooling idiots making themselves the
laughing stock of thousands of people by virtue of their blatant ignorance. I'm
sorry for the confusion, Michael, I really am.
> Pine is an excellent implementation concerning these protocols.
Noone ever questioned this, Michael. Well, maybe we did (the "excellent" part
in particular), but then again, you didn't understand what the grown-ups here
had to say, anyway. Or did you?
> If you want to play with colors and so on, go and start MS Windows up!
Now, isn't it quite sad to notice how attached you still are to the
puny, puny world of your previous experiences in the computer sector?
Your shiny Something98-toys and your glittering remote-controlled USB
dildoes, your running Virtual Valery over a fucked up, pathetic piece
of Net-Beui crapware and your feeling A Man(tm) because you found the
Any key? Tell you what, Michael: I didn't use Dos in the days of old,
when it was still called Dos and XT sucked big dick. I didn't use it
when it was called Windog and ATs sucked even bigger dick. I'm still
not using it now that it's become NoTechnology and Hextiums suck big,
big, big dick, yet I can install Linux and then get violently sick
over reading Usenet News written by clueless lusers thinking they're
God cause they can boot into Wankdos.
But all of this rant is really beside the point, you know? The point is
how the readability and efficiency of reading news can be enhanced by the
newsreader. Sven has made his points. I have made mine. You have made
yourself an idiot. No please sod off play with yourself somewhere else,
will you? Tosser.
You know, sometimes I envy the Austrians. Noone expects them to be clever
because they're all stupid. Have you considered moving south, Michael?
thisisastupidthreadandye...@kens.com
Curt Welch
> Who really has a newsserver with enough disk space for all Usenet?
> Well, DejaNews has! www.dejanews.com
Well, I'm sure Dejanews has a lot of disk space for news. But
it's not a big deal really. They don't archive the Binary posts.
Usenet is around 30GB/day these days. But if you only look at
the articles under 10K in size, you find they only add up to about
1GB/day of news. Building a server which has a very long retention of
the small articles is simple when compared to what "real" usenet
servers have to do these days.
Usenet volume has more than doubled every year. So If you build a server
large enough to hold one year of small articles (200GB I think would do
it for the past year). Then all you have to do is double that size to hold
every small article ever posted to Usenet. 400GB news servers are very
common these days.
--
Curt Welch http://CurtWelch.Com/
cu...@kcwc.com Webmaster for http://NewsReader.Com/
Sven Guckes
> Is `donotccmeor...@socha.net' an alias for Dummschwaetzer?
No - but what does "Michae...@gmx.net" stand for?
Btw, the longish address is a valid email address.
Its username gives you a hint on the user's pref on
courtesy copies of Usenet messages. Hope this helps.
Sven
John E. Davis
wrote:
>How about the following:
>
> define dejanews_mid ()
> {
> variable mid, len, data, command;
>
> mid = read_mini ("Find which message ID on dejanews", "", "");
> mid = strtrim (mid);
> len = strlen (mid);
I would modify this to return is len == 0, otherwise mid[0] will
result in a range error:
if (len == 0)
return;
> if (mid[0] == '<' & mid[len-1] == '>')
> mid = substr (mid, 2, len-2);
Here you need to use 'and' instead of '&':
if ((mid[0] == '<') and (mid[len-1] == '>'))
mid = substr(mid, 2, len-1);
Also, if you are using a 1.3.x version of slang, you can use:
if ((mid[0] == '<') and (mid[-1] == '>'))
mid = mid[[1:len-2]];
> % Why doesn't this work?
> %mid = str_replace_all (mid, "+", "%");
It should work. See below.
[...]
>So far it works well for me, except when the ID contains a "+".
>Dejanews needs to have this character substituted by "%" (probably
>others as well). I tried to work around it using str_replace_all:
[...]
>before: Z+A5sCBR...@thunderbird-sport.freeserve.co.uk
>after: ZĄsCBRfm...@thunderbird-sport.freeserve.co.uk
>
>Here "+A5" have been replaced by "Ą". Anybody know why?
The result should have been:
Z%A5sCBRf...@thunderbird-sport.freeserve.co.uk
Is it possible that lynx is expanding "%A5" (although I would guess
that Ą is produced by %BE, but this difference may be due to character
set translations)? Perhaps you should try using, e.g.,
mid = str_replace_all (mid, "+", "%25");
so that lynx expands "%25" to "%".
--
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Peppe
> > len = strlen (mid);
> I would modify this to return is len == 0, otherwise mid[0] will
> result in a range error:
> if (len == 0)
> return;
thanks for pointing this out.
> > if (mid[0] == '<' & mid[len-1] == '>')
> > mid = substr (mid, 2, len-2);
> Here you need to use 'and' instead of '&':
Hmm, it worked. Back to the docs.
> Also, if you are using a 1.3.x version of slang, you can use:
> if ((mid[0] == '<') and (mid[-1] == '>'))
> mid = mid[[1:len-2]];
Neat. Still 1.2.2 here, though.
> > % Why doesn't this work?
> > %mid = str_replace_all (mid, "+", "%");
> It should work. See below.
[--- snip ---]
> The result should have been:
> Z%A5sCBRf...@thunderbird-sport.freeserve.co.uk
I thought so :-)
> Is it possible that lynx is expanding "%A5" (although I would guess
> that ¥ is produced by %BE, but this difference may be due to character
> set translations)? Perhaps you should try using, e.g.,
> mid = str_replace_all (mid, "+", "%25");
> so that lynx expands "%25" to "%".
Let me see... Seems as if I got dejanews encoding wrong. It should be "%2B"
instead. Is it possible to find these encoding somewhere?
For those who would like to use the script, here it is again (hopefully in
the right shape by now :-)
--
Preben Guldberg c92...@student.dtu.dk http://www.student.dtu.dk/~c928400/
If you're looking for adventure of a new and different kind, And you
come across a Girl Scout who is similarly inclined, Don't be nervous,
don't be flustered, don't be scared. Be prepared! --Tom Lehrer: Be Prepared
Peppe
> For those who would like to use the script, here it is again (hopefully in
> the right shape by now :-)
Oops, wrong key when recalling the article :-(
Here we go.
I included JED's corrections and discarded the call to
str_replace_all().
Also John Moreno pointed out indirectly that I had used some extra,
seemingly irrelevant, info to the URL.
define dejanews_mid ()
{
variable mid, len, data, command;
mid = read_mini ("Find which message ID on dejanews", "", "");
mid = strtrim (mid);
len = strlen (mid);
if (len == 0)
return;
if (mid[0] == '<' and mid[len-1] == '>')
mid = substr (mid, 2, len-2);
% Format a proper query for dejanews:
while (str_replace (mid, "+", "%2B"))
mid = ();
data = strcat ("?'MID=%3C", mid);
data = strcat (data, "%3E'");
command = strcat ("lynx http://www.dejanews.com/msgid.xp", data);
() = system (command);
}
Thanks for the help.
Peppe
--
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c92...@student.dtu.dk (o o) Fare thee well! and if for ever,
----------------------oOOo (_) oOOo Still for ever, fare thee well.
http://www.student.dtu.dk/~c928400/ --Byron (1788-1824)
Sylvan Butler
>Hmm, making a manual entry, dejanews seems to add "&ST=&AH=1" to such
>an URL. Probably some extra info in the form.
yes, they just recently started adding that. Seems to have something to
do with the interface you used to enter the search (for example, power
search vs the normal). From what I've seen, the old still works.
sdb
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safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. --Benjamin Franklin, 1759
"Don't Tread On Me!"
Sven Guckes
de.* hierarchy - please use English.
Thankyou.
Michae...@gmx.net (Michael Maass):
> Vielen Dank fuer die freundliche Antwort Du Schwaetzer!
You are welcome!
> Was/wer gibt diesem Dummschwaetzer von Robin S. das Recht hier
> Unverschaemtheiten (donotccmeoriwillkillyou) zu verbreiten?
Who gave Robin the right to post? Good question.
Who gave you a permission, btw?
> In Deutschland scheint man nicht viel davon zu halten, dass man
> hoeflichkeitshalber Antworten auf News Postings auch als e-mail
> verschickt.
That is quite common - however, but consensus
is that it is polite to send CCs of followups
only on request with a Mail-Copies-To header.
> Leider habe ich diesbezueglich sehr negative Erfahrungen in
> deutschen Gruppen gemacht (Du kannst gern mal nach meiner RFC 822
> Diskussion suchen, in der ein anderer Dummschwaetzer Namens Lutz
> Donnerhacke baren Unfug erzaehlt und Beleidigungen ausspricht),
Is that the same Lutz who writes about security, remailers, signing
of news articles, electronic money, certification, and teergrubing?
then I've seen him. He usually posts terse answers with hints,
doesn't he? Anyway, what has he got to do with this?
> .. daher traue ich mich nicht mehr Antworten als e-mail zu senden.
Ah. So now you are afraid of replying by email and instead
you post it all to this group? What a grand idea! Not.
> In US-Gruppen habe ich sowas noch nie erlebt!
Try posting your emails to alt.sysadmin.recovery then.
> Offensichtlich treibt sich in Deutschland hauptsaechlich
> der Abschaum der Menschheit im Usenet herum!
Speak for yourself, buddy.
> Im uebrigen erwarte ich, dass Antworten auf meine
> Postings mindestens per e-Mail gesendet werden --
> ob Du darueber hinaus gleichzeitig ein News
> Posting machst, ist mir shi*egal!
You should expect replies within the same medium first.
CCs are optional. On request.
I understand that you want a CC of this. Done. You are welcome.
> Und jetzt ab auf die Schulbank ihr Schwaetzer aus Deutschland!
"Setzen!"
Sven
kwo...@kens.com
procmail is a cool little tool.
!michae...@gmx.net
Have fun.
2. You're a fucking idiot, and need to kill yourself.
Please see:
http://www.r-t-f-m.com for instructions.
3. My thoughts of you could be summed up in these immortal words:
"You swine. You vulgar little maggot. Don't you know that you are
pathetic? You worthless bag of filth. As we say in Texas, I'll bet you
couldn't pour piss out of a boot with instructions on the heel. You are a
canker. A sore that won't go away. I would rather kiss a lawyer than be
seen with you.
You are a fiend and a coward, and you have bad breath. You are degenerate,
noxious and depraved. I feel debased just for knowing you exist. I despise
everything about you. You are a bloody nardless newbie twit protohominid
chromosomally aberrent caricature of a coprophagic cloacal parasitic pond
scum. and I wish you would go away.
You're a putrescent mass, a walking vomit. You are a spineless little worm
deserving nothing but the profoundest contempt. You are a jerk, a cad, a
weasel. Your life is a monument to stupidity. You are a stench, a
revulsion, a big suck on a sour lemon.
You are a bleating foal, a curdled staggering mutant dwarf smeared richly
with the effluvia and offal accompanying your alleged birth into this
world. An insensate, blinking calf, meaningful to nobody, abandoned by
the puke-drooling, giggling beasts who sired you and then killed themselfs
in recognition of what they had done.
I will never get over the embarrassment of belonging to the same species
as you. You are a monster, an ogre, a malformity. I barf at the very
thought of you. You have all the appeal of a paper cut. Lepers avoid you.
You are vile, worthless, less than nothing. You are a weed, a fungus, the
dregs of this earth. And did I mention you smell, and post whining
threads in German to a multilanguage newsgroup???"
Thanks for playing, now please go step in front of a train.
*PLONK*
(SG, RS, AC: Good enough, or shall I continue?)
On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, Michael Maass wrote:
> Vielen Dank fuer die freundliche Antwort Du Schwaetzer!
> Was/wer gibt diesem Dummschwaetzer von Robin S. das Recht hier
> Unverschaemtheiten (donotccmeoriwillkillyou) zu verbreiten?
> In Deutschland scheint man nicht viel davon zu halten, dass man
> hoeflichkeitshalber Antworten auf News Postings auch als e-mail
> verschickt. Leider habe ich diesbezueglich sehr negative Erfahrungen in
> deutschen Gruppen gemacht (Du kannst gern mal nach meiner RFC 822
> Diskussion suchen, in der ein anderer Dummschwaetzer Namens Lutz
> Donnerhacke baren Unfug erzaehlt und Beleidigungen ausspricht), daher
> traue ich mich nicht mehr Antworten als e-mail zu senden. In US-Gruppen
> habe ich sowas noch nie erlebt! Offensichtlich treibt sich in Deutschland
> hauptsaechlich der Abschaum der Menschheit im Usenet herum!
> Im uebrigen erwarte ich, dass Antworten auf meine Postings mindestens per
> e-Mail gesendet werden -- ob Du darueber hinaus gleichzeitig ein News
> Posting machst, ist mir shi*egal!
> Und jetzt ab auf die Schulbank ihr Schwaetzer aus Deutschland!
--
Ken Woods
kwo...@kens.com
Robin S. Socha
I think this needs translating (marked as -->). Let's see...
> Vielen Dank fuer die freundliche Antwort Du Schwaetzer!
--> "I am a tosser. Please killfile me."
> Was/wer gibt diesem Dummschwaetzer von Robin S. das Recht hier
> Unverschaemtheiten (donotccmeoriwillkillyou) zu verbreiten?
--> "I hardly know what email is, but I'll try nonetheless: 'Mein Fuehrer,
we need ze Zensorship, now!"
> In Deutschland scheint man nicht viel davon zu halten, dass man
> hoeflichkeitshalber Antworten auf News Postings auch als e-mail
> verschickt.
--> "Apart from fascist perversions in the area of email, I'm also an idiot
when it comes to news. I think that courtesy copies are really *sigh*
kinky *moan* and it *drool* makes me pretty *boioioing* hot to send
them to people who explicitly state they don't want them."
> Leider habe ich diesbezueglich sehr negative Erfahrungen in deutschen
> Gruppen gemacht
--> "And if you think I'm Joe Random Idiot, you're really wrong. I'm a
class A idiot - people laugh at me all over the world."
> (Du kannst gern mal nach meiner RFC 822 Diskussion suchen, in der ein
> anderer Dummschwaetzer Namens Lutz Donnerhacke baren Unfug erzaehlt und
> Beleidigungen ausspricht),
--> "Netgods? What netgods?"
> daher traue ich mich nicht mehr Antworten als e-mail zu senden. In
> US-Gruppen habe ich sowas noch nie erlebt! Offensichtlich treibt sich
> in Deutschland hauptsaechlich der Abschaum der Menschheit im Usenet
> herum!
--> "Everyone's a nazi but me. I'm just... well... an idiot?"
> Im uebrigen erwarte ich, dass Antworten auf meine Postings mindestens per
> e-Mail gesendet werden --
* * * * * lart chainsaw echo "i want more mail" | mail Michae...@gmx.net
> ob Du darueber hinaus gleichzeitig ein News Posting machst, ist mir
> shi*egal!
--> "I suck. Please kill me."
> Und jetzt ab auf die Schulbank ihr Schwaetzer aus Deutschland!
Jawohl, Mein Michael!!!
x-post, f'up. Just how stoopid *can* you get?
Hubert Figuiere
><donotccmeor...@socha.net> wrote:
>>* Steve Lamb <morp...@no-spam.calweb.com> writes:
>> ^^^^^^^
>>Too dense for procmail, luser? And this is bollocks:
>>Reply-To: morp...@no-spam.calweb.com
>
> No, not at all. Call it a large hint that I do *NOT* want responses
>from news, perioud. Besides, when I implimented that no-spam.calweb.com was
>a valid domain.
Add the header line "Mail-Copies-To: never" ('nobody' instead of
'never' works also). Any serious newsreader will honour it (at
least slrn, GNUS, MacSOUP, NewsWatcher, Gravity, etc.). This a
good way to implement the "I don't want courtesy e-mail copy of
news follow-ups".
Hope this clarify :-)
Hub
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