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Bravo Sierra Computers
Jun 17, 2012, 3:51:16 AM6/17/12
to James M. O'Connell, Bravo Sierra Computers
My ISP Dropped Newsgroup Support, But I Subscribed To NewsGuy.com Allowing Me
To Stay With My ISP! It Costs $12.00 For 6 Months Or A Year For $20.00 U$D! I
Do This With Alpine! I Can CrossPost, CrossE-Mail & Use BCC To Cross E-Mail
WithOut Showing My List Of E-Mail Addresses Doing Blind Carbon Copy! =-Ben-=
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Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 06:54:55 -0700
Howdy, all;
I've recently changed ISP's and yes, the new one supports Newsgroups.
(hooray!)
One question I have is about the proper port for secur%^^^
^^^# +
(++)
^^^^^ <NUL>
To Stay With My ISP! It Costs $12.00 For 6 Months Or A Year For $20.00 U$D! I
Do This With Alpine! I Can CrossPost, CrossE-Mail & Use BCC To Cross E-Mail
WithOut Showing My List Of E-Mail Addresses Doing Blind Carbon Copy! =-Ben-=
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Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 06:54:55 -0700
Howdy, all;
I've recently changed ISP's and yes, the new one supports Newsgroups.
(hooray!)
One question I have is about the proper port for secur%^^^
^^^# +
(++)
^^^^^ <NUL>
RS Wood
Jul 9, 2013, 10:31:22 AM7/9/13
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On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:51:16 -0700
Bravo Sierra Computers <At...@aracnet.com> wrote:
> My ISP Dropped Newsgroup Support, But I Subscribed To NewsGuy.com Allowing Me
> To Stay With My ISP! It Costs $12.00 For 6 Months Or A Year For $20.00 U$D! I
> Do This With Alpine! I Can CrossPost, CrossE-Mail & Use BCC To Cross E-Mail
> WithOut Showing My List Of E-Mail Addresses Doing Blind Carbon Copy! =-Ben-=
I also just signed up for a newsguy subscription and like it. Their server seems relatively spam free, relative to some others that I've tried. You can find hundreds of other providers at www.newsgroupreviews.com, which I find to be a pretty well-run website providing reviews and comparisons. Actually, I was surprised to see just how many NSPs are still out there. And given all the facebook scandals etc., I wonder if people will start to look more favorably on Usenet again - those who know it exists, anyway. It certainly is a technology that has shown its ability to survive the decades!
Bravo Sierra Computers <At...@aracnet.com> wrote:
> My ISP Dropped Newsgroup Support, But I Subscribed To NewsGuy.com Allowing Me
> To Stay With My ISP! It Costs $12.00 For 6 Months Or A Year For $20.00 U$D! I
> Do This With Alpine! I Can CrossPost, CrossE-Mail & Use BCC To Cross E-Mail
> WithOut Showing My List Of E-Mail Addresses Doing Blind Carbon Copy! =-Ben-=
(I should add, I'm not a fan of Alpine for NNTP though; I much prefer SLRN or Sylpheed).
Jean-Pierre Coulon
Jul 28, 2013, 10:10:11 AM7/28/13
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On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:51:16 -0700
Bravo Sierra Computers <At...@aracnet.com> wrote:
> My ISP Dropped Newsgroup Support, But I Subscribed To NewsGuy.com Allowing Me
> To Stay With My ISP! It Costs $12.00 For 6 Months Or A Year For $20.00 U$D! I
> Do This With Alpine! I Can CrossPost, CrossE-Mail & Use BCC To Cross E-Mail
> WithOut Showing My List Of E-Mail Addresses Doing Blind Carbon Copy! =-Ben-=
Usenet servers I know: http://news.lacave.net/servers/reader/list
Jean-Pierre Coulon
Moe Trin
Jul 28, 2013, 4:15:19 PM7/28/13
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On Sun, 28 Jul 2013, in the Usenet newsgroup comp.mail.pine, in article
<alpine.WNT.2.10.1307281606010.1780@BecaneCoulon>, Jean-Pierre Coulon wrote:
>Bravo Sierra Computers <At...@aracnet.com> wrote:
>> My ISP Dropped Newsgroup Support, But I Subscribed To NewsGuy.com
>> Allowing Me To Stay With My ISP! It Costs $12.00 For 6 Months Or A
>> Year For $20.00 U$D! I Do This With Alpine!
Hit your favorite search engine looking for "free usenet providers"
<alpine.WNT.2.10.1307281606010.1780@BecaneCoulon>, Jean-Pierre Coulon wrote:
>Bravo Sierra Computers <At...@aracnet.com> wrote:
>> My ISP Dropped Newsgroup Support, But I Subscribed To NewsGuy.com
>> Allowing Me To Stay With My ISP! It Costs $12.00 For 6 Months Or A
>> Year For $20.00 U$D! I Do This With Alpine!
and see more than a million results. Look at what the first hundred
results tell you. There are MANY Usenet providers available, and
they vary in cost from free, a small one-time fee, or monthly/yearly
fees from small to large amounts of cash. They also vary in the number
of newsgroups they carry, retention (how long they keep articles),
amount of spam, and their tolerance of abusive posters. Note that
those servers that tolerate abusive or totally anonymous posters tend
to have their posts filtered by readers who don't want to waste their
time or bandwidth reading noise.
>> I Do This With Alpine! I Can CrossPost, CrossE-Mail & Use BCC To
>> Cross E-Mail WithOut Showing My List Of E-Mail Addresses Doing
>> Blind Carbon Copy! =-Ben-=
cross-post (see RFC0850 from 1983), and the Bcc function has been
required in all mail tools over the last 35 years (see RFC0680 from
1975 and RFC0733 from 1978). If by "Cross E-Mail" you mean post a
news article such as this, AND reply by mail at the same time, that
makes some people unhappy. Mail is mail, and Usenet is Usenet and
they're not the same. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet or
find a copy of RFC1855.
>Can't ISPs do their job and keep on offerring Usenet?
Usenet service, to justify the hardware, bandwidth and administration
costs. One need only look at the amount of traffic on Usenet to know
that many have stopped using the service - see that Wikipedia article
above. For this newsgroup, my spool logs show
2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013
3250 2237 1995 1566 1247 917 546 474 301 152 176
available articles per year (2013 figures to 15:00 UTC on 28 July),
and the decline is common across Usenet. With the decline, many of
the "helpful" posters have also left - there is little to keep them
reading.
That list seems rather limited, and a quick scan of my spool fails to
show any of those servers in any "Path:" header in the 78 newsgroups I
try to scan daily. News servers come in all sizes - from those that
only carry the 1996 "official" groups of the Big Eight hierarchy
(comp.*, humanities.*, misc.*, news.*, rec.*, sci.*, soc.*, and talk.*)
to those that try to carry more groups than anyone else (a number of
servers claim to carry more than a hundred-thousand (100k) groups -
some of which are actually active and useful).
Old guy
RS Wood
Aug 1, 2013, 8:31:35 AM8/1/13
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> It comes down to a simple answer - cost. Do enough customers WANT a
> Usenet service, to justify the hardware, bandwidth and administration
> costs. One need only look at the amount of traffic on Usenet to know
> that many have stopped using the service - see that Wikipedia article
> above. For this newsgroup, my spool logs show
>
> 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013
> 3250 2237 1995 1566 1247 917 546 474 301 152 176
>
> available articles per year (2013 figures to 15:00 UTC on 28 July),
> and the decline is common across Usenet. With the decline, many of
> the "helpful" posters have also left - there is little to keep them
> reading.
>
> >Here is a list of Usenet servers I know:
> >http://news.lacave.net/servers/reader/list
useful, and Usenet is still used by some influential and smart computer
users. I recommend http://www.newsgroupreviews.com as a source of good
NSPs. They seem to be unbiased; it's a hobby site for a guy that
really digs Usenet, not some corporate shill. I finally settled on
blocknews.net for bulk downloads and individual.de for text groups.
With free it seems you often get what you pay for, and individual does
nice spam filtering, making the groups actually usable again.
Moe Trin
Aug 1, 2013, 11:10:25 PM8/1/13
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On Thu, 1 Aug 2013, in the Usenet newsgroup comp.mail.pine, in article
>I recommend http://www.newsgroupreviews.com as a source of good NSPs.
>They seem to be unbiased; it's a hobby site for a guy that really digs
>Usenet, not some corporate shill.
Generally, I recommend using a search engine. Some people think that
googlegroups is an adequate substitute and I tend to tell them to
look for the "Usenet Improvement Project" of some time ago. But the
idea of using a search engine can be helpful in seeing what others
think of the various news providers.
I'm old fashioned, and only bother with text groups now. Binaries have
gotten so huge, that I tend to only grab source and compile that, as
it tends to be more versatile.
>With free it seems you often get what you pay for, and individual does
>nice spam filtering, making the groups actually usable again.
I'd suggest you can get a lot more for free (how much did you pay for
Alpine, Pine, SLRN or Sylpheed). I was using giganews until my ISPs
decided to save more money by dropping Usenet - now I'm on
eternal-september.org which is free. It's funny comparing the number
of newsgroups that are carried. The "official" list of the "Big-Eight"
hierarchies (comp.*, humanities.*, misc.*, news.*, rec.*, sci.*, soc.*,
and talk.*) is only 1996 groups, but giganews managed to carry 4724 of
those as part of the "we carry more than anyone" bit (over 111000
groups - some of which are actually active). Eternal-September is more
like 30000 total (less than 30 binary groups).
Old guy
<20130801123135....@therandymon.com>, RS Wood wrote:
>> It comes down to a simple answer - cost. Do enough customers WANT
>> a Usenet service, to justify the hardware, bandwidth and
>> administration costs.
>> It comes down to a simple answer - cost. Do enough customers WANT
>> a Usenet service, to justify the hardware, bandwidth and
>> administration costs.
>I agree it's becoming somewhat of a niche, but some groups are still
>useful, and Usenet is still used by some influential and smart
>computer users.
Agree whole-heartedly
>useful, and Usenet is still used by some influential and smart
>computer users.
>I recommend http://www.newsgroupreviews.com as a source of good NSPs.
>They seem to be unbiased; it's a hobby site for a guy that really digs
>Usenet, not some corporate shill.
googlegroups is an adequate substitute and I tend to tell them to
look for the "Usenet Improvement Project" of some time ago. But the
idea of using a search engine can be helpful in seeing what others
think of the various news providers.
I'm old fashioned, and only bother with text groups now. Binaries have
gotten so huge, that I tend to only grab source and compile that, as
it tends to be more versatile.
>With free it seems you often get what you pay for, and individual does
>nice spam filtering, making the groups actually usable again.
Alpine, Pine, SLRN or Sylpheed). I was using giganews until my ISPs
decided to save more money by dropping Usenet - now I'm on
eternal-september.org which is free. It's funny comparing the number
of newsgroups that are carried. The "official" list of the "Big-Eight"
hierarchies (comp.*, humanities.*, misc.*, news.*, rec.*, sci.*, soc.*,
and talk.*) is only 1996 groups, but giganews managed to carry 4724 of
those as part of the "we carry more than anyone" bit (over 111000
groups - some of which are actually active). Eternal-September is more
like 30000 total (less than 30 binary groups).
Old guy
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