ACCENTS MARKS in spanish????
Martha Cecilia Saenz Garcia
Does anyone knows how to write in PINE the accents marks you have in
spanish???...and the "n~" ???
--Martha
peter karlsson
>Does anyone knows how to write in PINE the accents marks you have in
>spanish???...and the "n~" ???
Just type it on your keyboard as you usually would, and Pine should accept
it.
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Eduardo Chappa L.
:) Martha Cecilia Saenz Garcia:
:)
:) >Does anyone knows how to write in PINE the accents marks you have in
:) >spanish???...and the "n~" ???
:)
:) Just type it on your keyboard as you usually would, and Pine should accept
:) it.
Peter, she is refering to characters like ñ,á,ü, etc. Unfortunately pine
(I mean Pico really) will not let you input those characters. For example
not all the displays let you see them correctly. However if two people are
comunicating and both displays let you see them I think pine should not
act as a police not letting you write them. Pine is used in more than 50
countries according to UW home page, it should be the case that the only
supported char-set to be written on input be US-ASCII. There should be a
solution from pine for those people, if we want to make pine a wold-wide
e-mail program.
Eduardo
http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/
peter karlsson
>Peter, she is refering to characters like ñ,á,ü, etc.
Yes, so I thought.
>Unfortunately pine (I mean Pico really) will not let you input those
>characters.
It will. I can do so.
>For example not all the displays let you see them correctly.
That's not a Pine/Pico problem.
>Pine is used in more than 50 countries according to UW home page, it should
>be the case that the only supported char-set to be written on input be
>US-ASCII.
I'm Swedish, and write much main in Swedish, with our national letters
åäöÅÄÖ, and they work fine with Pine. I just enter those on my keyboard just
as I normally do.
>There should be a solution from pine for those people, if we want to make
>pine a wold-wide e-mail program.
I can't see why we need a solution for something which is not a problem?
Gerald Willmann
> Does anyone knows how to write in PINE the accents marks you have in
> spanish???...and the "n~" ???
you mean á, ñ etc. (writing in pine here)
two things: you need to choose character-set=ISO-8859-1 in your .pinerc
and the console you are working on must allow you to input such characters
which might require some tweaking. Try compose 'a/~n or holding down alt
and typing the ASCII numbers. The Sun I'm writting this on has a compose
key, my linux console at home works with alt but admittedly I have never
been able to convince XFree86 under linux to do any such thing :(
Gerald
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Eduardo Chappa L.
:) Eduardo Chappa L.:
:)
:) >Peter, she is refering to characters like ñ,á,ü, etc.
:)
:) Yes, so I thought.
:)
Good we are talking about the same thing.
:) >Unfortunately pine (I mean Pico really) will not let you input those
:) >characters.
:)
:) It will. I can do so.
No it can't. I am in the US, my keyboward can not input those characters.
I can input these characters because I wrote a patch for pine, not because
my keyboard can input them.
:)
:) >For example not all the displays let you see them correctly.
:)
:) That's not a Pine/Pico problem.
:)
You are right, but the problem is that pico won't let you input those
characters even though you can display them. That's the problem.
:) >Pine is used in more than 50 countries according to UW home page, it should
:) >be the case that the only supported char-set to be written on input be
:) >US-ASCII.
:)
:) I'm Swedish, and write much main in Swedish, with our national letters
:) åäöÅÄÖ, and they work fine with Pine. I just enter those on my keyboard just
:) as I normally do.
:)
Cool, not everyone can. Pine should offer a solution to those who can't.
My native language contains characters that this keyboard can not input,
are you expecting me to write bad spanish because of that?, I don't think
so. I should not be limited just because of my keyboard. Do you see the
pint now?
:) >There should be a solution from pine for those people, if we want to make
:) >pine a wold-wide e-mail program.
:)
:) I can't see why we need a solution for something which is not a problem?
:)
Yes there is an issue here. Pine should support other char sets for input.
Sometimes the keyboard is just not enough...
Eduardo
http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/
Eduardo Chappa L.
:) Eduardo Chappa L.:
:)
:) >No it can't. I am in the US, my keyboward can not input those characters.
:)
:) Then change keyboard layouts. If you want to write in Spanish, you need to
:) install a Spanish keyboard layout. It's quite simple, actually.
:)
This is not something I can do. I can not set this terminal to any
settings that I want. Our sys-admin do not let us do anything we want with
the terminal, specially when you have to share them.
:) Pico lets me input the characters. I just have to have a keyboard layout
:) that contains the characters in question. Pico has no restrictions on which
:) characters you enter into it.
:)
Sure, with a keyboard where you can write anything, everything works, but
those who can't have to suffer it, don't they? why?
:) >Cool, not everyone can. Pine should offer a solution to those who can't.
:)
:) Why should it? It's not Pine that is the problem
It's not a pine problem. You are right. But the editor (pico) should let
you input any character. If it is not through the normal way (a keyboard)
it should be through some pre-defined keystroke sequence that pico offers
you. Other editors have this capability (eg vim).
:) If you're using a US English keyboard layout, I expect you to only
:) be interested in writing English. If you were using a Spanish
:) keyboard layout I would expect you to write Spanish.
You see that's your problem. You are assuming that you can only input in
an editor only what the keyboard let's you input and in the language that
this allows you. I can not agree with that, I want to write my language no
matter where I am, either in the US, or in Finland or China. E-mail
programs should have the ability to input any pre defined char sets,
because you can not assume that the communication between two people that
speak a common language will be done with a keyboard that support that
common language. If for example you were in my office and asked me to
borrow my terminal to write an e-mail message, through a telnet
connection to Sweeden, you would find that you can not write your
characters å,ö and so on. Don't blame the keyboard, that's my point. And
even if you blame it, let pine help you solve your problem.
:) >Yes there is an issue here. Pine should support other char sets for input.
:)
:) It does.
Yes it does if you can input them, if not.. what do you do?
Eduardo
http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/
Aaron S. Hawley
keyboard. that's the operating systems job. vim does it. who cares.
use vim. why bloat a program with programming that the os does anyway?
it can't be done, complain to your workstation manager not pine people.
Aaron S. Hawley
-pine is used in over 50 countries
-pine doesn't allow characters (especially spanish)
then why are we hearing about this now? wouldn't it have been solved long
ago?
On Thu, 7 Oct 1999, Eduardo Chappa L. wrote:
>
> Peter, she is refering to characters like ñ,á,ü, etc. Unfortunately pine
> (I mean Pico really) will not let you input those characters.
you just did?
> For example not all the displays let you see them correctly. However
> if two people are comunicating and both displays let you see them I
> think pine should not act as a police not letting you write them. Pine
> is used in more than 50 countries according to UW home page, it should
> be the case that the only supported char-set to be written on input be
> US-ASCII. There should be a solution from pine for those people, if we
> want to make pine a wold-wide
Eduardo Chappa L.
:) pine can handle all characters. but it's not it's job to format the
:) keyboard. that's the operating systems job. vim does it. who cares.
:) use vim. why bloat a program with programming that the os does anyway?
:)
I'm not asking to format a keyboard. I am saying if a combination of
commands give you a character within pine (and only in pine), then why
not? It is not a bloat, I am sure that a visitor that we had in the math
department from Finland a few months ago would have appreciated it, since
for him the difference in a letter a" that he could not write made a
difference between a formal word and a offensive one. This is not a
feature for english speakers (except you want to write things like circles
1/2 or other strange characters). All I am saying is that if you have to
travel and you don't have access to your nice keyboard with all these
characters that you can not take in your luggage why not let the e-mail
program to let you write them. I hope you are not saying that I should
only write in english when I am in the US or Sweedish when I am in Sweeden
just because of the keyboard that in my case I do not have control over.
By the way I am not talking about using vim instead of pico. If you read
what I wrote then you will realize that all I was saying was giving an
example of other editors that have a property. I guess they have it
because of something. People will use a product as long as it satisfies
their needs. I know this is not something difficult to implement, so why
not to add it.
:) it can't be done, complain to your workstation manager not pine people.
Who is complaining? I am not. I am defending the point that pine should
have a feature. I just hope the pine team listens to me.
:) if this is all true:
:)
:) -pine is used in over 50 countries
This is according to UW's pine home page. Not my personal creation.
:) -pine doesn't allow characters (especially spanish)
:)
Pine allows any input you give it, the trick is to input it. Hopefully you
will always be able to input any strange character you need.
:) then why are we hearing about this now? wouldn't it have been solved long
:) ago?
I can not speak about people in other countries, you see the issue is
raised when you are not in your own country where I am sure they already
have a way to solve it.
Terry Gray
On Thu, 7 Oct 1999, Eduardo Chappa L. wrote:
> :) >Yes there is an issue here. Pine should support other char sets for input.
> :)
> :) It does.
>
> Yes it does if you can input them, if not.. what do you do?
Eduardo,
Pico/Pine for Unix actually does support an input method for arbitrary
characters, though the syntax differs from the one you chose for your
patch. The method is: ESC ESC n
where n represents a numeric value corresponding to a special character.
Below are a few values of n (at least on one of our systems) and their
corresponding symbols.
-teg
> 180 ´
> 190 ¾
> 200 È
> 210 Ò
>
> 220 Ü
> 221 Ý
> 222 Þ
> 223 ß
> 224 à
> 225 á
> 226 â
> 227 ã
> 228 ä
> 229 å
> 230 æ
> 231 ç
> 232 è
> 233 é
> 234 ê
> 235 ë
> 236 ì
> 237 í
> 238 î
> 239 ï
> 240 ð
> 241 ñ
> 242 ò
> 243 ó
> 244 ô
> 245 õ
> 246 ö
> 247 ÷
> 248 ø
> 249 ù
> 250 ú
peter karlsson
>No it can't. I am in the US, my keyboward can not input those characters.
Then change keyboard layouts. If you want to write in Spanish, you need to
install a Spanish keyboard layout. It's quite simple, actually.
>You are right, but the problem is that pico won't let you input those
>characters even though you can display them. That's the problem.
Pico lets me input the characters. I just have to have a keyboard layout
that contains the characters in question. Pico has no restrictions on which
characters you enter into it.
>Cool, not everyone can. Pine should offer a solution to those who can't.
Why should it? It's not Pine that is the problem.
>My native language contains characters that this keyboard can not input,
The keyboard can, you just need to install a keyboard layout that contains
it.
>are you expecting me to write bad spanish because of that?,
If you're using a US English keyboard layout, I expect you to only be
interested in writing English. If you were using a Spanish keyboard layout I
would expect you to write Spanish.
>I should not be limited just because of my keyboard. Do you see the pint
>now?
No.
>Yes there is an issue here. Pine should support other char sets for input.
It does.
Aaron S. Hawley
typed by a US keyboard?
if this is true, then UW should fix it.
if this is so, i think the original poster said it in a way that we didn't
understand.
i thought they wanted to format the keyboard so that when they pressed 'E'
it turned out to be an E with an accent or something.
Eduardo Chappa L.
:)
:) Eduardo,
:) Pico/Pine for Unix actually does support an input method for arbitrary
:) characters, though the syntax differs from the one you chose for your
:) patch. The method is: ESC ESC n
:) where n represents a numeric value corresponding to a special character.
:) Below are a few values of n (at least on one of our systems) and their
:) corresponding symbols.
:)
:) -teg
Thanks Terry, this worked for me. I expect the same will work for other
people. I guess my patch was not neccessary after all.
Mark Derricutt
> You see that's your problem. You are assuming that you can only input in
> an editor only what the keyboard let's you input and in the language that
> this allows you. I can not agree with that, I want to write my language no
Could you just not use an external editor instead of PICO?
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> Peter, she is refering to characters like ñ,á,ü, etc. Unfortunately pine
> (I mean Pico really) will not let you input those characters.
I am using Pico, and get ñ by typing Ctrl-Q on my terminal window. (I'm
using nxterm). The problem that you note is not with pico, but with your
keyboard and terminal.
-j
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