attachments I send invisible to recipients
Francisco Canedo
When I send an attachment to other people, they don't see them where
they usually expect them.
Let me clarify: the people that receive my attachment, don't see the
paperclip next to my messages. But when they look inside the mail, they
can find the attachment hidden somewhere inside the message. They don't
see the attachments where they would see them if I had sent the message
with another mailer (i.e. Outlook).
These people use MS Outlook. One of them can't find the attachments at
all, I think she uses the Yahoo web interface. I don't know exactly what
they see, since I have never seen one of my messages to them in Outlook.
I've checked the Pine FAQ and the 'Pine-Info discussion list' archive at
http://www.washington.edu/pine, but to no avail. Also the changelogs
have no information about this being a bug that has been solved.
Now it has become a real problem because I need to send attachments to
the one that can't find them at all!
Some info that might be useful:
Pine 4.21
Slackware Linux 7.1 on Intel
Thanks in advance,
fcanedo at soneramail dot netherlands(nl)
Ivan Vitjuk
>Hi,
>
>When I send an attachment to other people, they don't see them where
>they usually expect them.
>
I have the same problem. Fortunately I don't send often mails to
Outlook users.
Samuel W. Heywood
> Hi,
>
> When I send an attachment to other people, they don't see them where
> they usually expect them.
>
> Let me clarify: the people that receive my attachment, don't see the
> paperclip next to my messages. But when they look inside the mail, they
> can find the attachment hidden somewhere inside the message. They don't
> see the attachments where they would see them if I had sent the message
> with another mailer (i.e. Outlook).
> These people use MS Outlook. One of them can't find the attachments at
> all, I think she uses the Yahoo web interface. I don't know exactly what
> they see, since I have never seen one of my messages to them in Outlook.
OK, so some of these recipients using Outlook can find the
attachments by examining the message, but they just don't see
a very convenient icon that is easy to click on to automagically
decode the attachment and display it using the program that the
attachment type is associated with. You should just simply tell
them that they will need to manually decode the attachments.
Going through this procedure is just a very minor hassle and it is
very easy to do. If your recipients were to use a DOS email
client then it would be even easier for them to manually decode an
attachment.
Regards,
Sam Heywood
-- Message sent by PC-Pine, v.3.96 for DOS, http://www.washington.edu/pine
Allin Cottrell
Get real. No MS Windows users in 2001 are going to "manually decode"
attachments, not are they going to use "DOS email clients" (assuming
they could).
As for the OP's question, I just tried the experiment of sending a
mail with an Excel (.xls) file attached, from pine 4.33 under Linux,
then reading the mail in Netscape. The attachment showed up just
fine, paperclip and all.
It seems there are two possibilities:
(1) The OP is failing to create attachments properly. How are you
doing it? Hitting Ctrl-J on the "attachments" line in the header
in pine, then locating the file and adding a "comment"? If not,
try that procedure.
(2) MS has built some devilish contrivance into Outhouse that
prevents it from parsing attachments added using other MUAs.
Wouldn't put it past them.
Anyway, you (Canedo) might try the experiment of looking at one
of your outgoing attachment-encrusted emails in Netscape mail.
If the attachments show OK there but not in Outhouse, we know
what's happening.
Allin Cottrell.
--
Allin Cottrell
Department of Economics
Wake Forest University, NC
Samuel W. Heywood
<snip>
Why not? If your Windows stuff won't work for you the way it is
supposed to, then sometimes the only way to deal with the problem
is to go to the command line and start working from there. By
viewing an email message in DOS you can always see the whole thing.
Nothing can "hide" from DOS. By "manually decoding" I mean simply
performing the simple task of calling up an appropriate decoding
program from the command line and including the proper parameters for
the input file and output file as necessary. Presto! The attachment
is decoded almost instantly! Even if one is using a Windows email
client he can easily view his email messages from within any DOS
mode. When an email message is viewed from within a simple DOS mode
the user will always be able to see the whole thing.
All the best,
Allin Cottrell
> > Get real. No MS Windows users in 2001 are going to "manually decode"
> > attachments, not are they going to use "DOS email clients" (assuming
> > they could).
>
> Why not? If your Windows stuff won't work for you the way it is
> supposed to, then sometimes the only way to deal with the problem
> is to go to the command line and start working from there.
I like the command line myself (in an xterm), but my point is that
the command line is simply terra incognita for Windows users (OK,
with a trivial number of exceptions such as yourself). Saying to
a colleague, "Of course you can decode my attachments; all you
have to do is open a DOS box and..." is as good as cutting your
throat with a rusty razor.
Samuel W. Heywood
Yes, I too have observed that most Windows users have a most
extraordinary aversion to the idea of learning how to do anything
within DOS. I never could understand their negative attitude.
It really baffles me as to why they don't even want to hear about
the highly useful information I can give them.
Marc Rouleau
>"Samuel W. Heywood" wrote:
>>On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Francisco Canedo wrote:
>>>When I send an attachment to other people, they don't see them
>>>where they usually expect them.
>>>
>>>Let me clarify: the people that receive my attachment, don't see
>>>the paperclip next to my messages. But when they look inside the
>>>mail, they can find the attachment hidden somewhere inside the
>>>message. They don't see the attachments where they would see them
>>>if I had sent the message with another mailer (i.e. Outlook).
>>>These people use MS Outlook. One of them can't find the attachments
>>>at all, I think she uses the Yahoo web interface. I don't know
>>>exactly what they see, since I have never seen one of my messages
>>>to them in Outlook.
>
>prevents it from parsing attachments added using other MUAs.
We observe this problem also using 4.33 and 4.40. It only occurs with
Outlook XP. Earlier versions of Outlook see the attachments.
-- Marc Rouleau