>dris...@NOSPAM.net (David Risner): >> My biggest beef about Pine's newsreader is that >> it is too slow over an NNTP connection. >> Lack of color support is my second biggest beef. >> Third would be no kill/watch capabilities.
>> My biggest beef about slrn is that it doesn't have a really nice mail reader >> to go along with it.
>There's the editor "jed" that can also send mails. This editor was >written by the same guy who wrote slrn. Coincidence? I don't think so.
>Btw, a newsreader is not supposed to be a mailer. It's a feature!!
True, and that of course agrees with David's next statement....
>> I'm not saying I want slrn to have a mail reader built in, but I would >> like a mail reader of slrn's quality available under Win32 like slrn is.
>Well, "jed" has also been ported to Win32 (I think). Try it!
The mail client that seems to be most comparable to slrn is "Mutt." <http://www.mutt.org/>
- It uses S-LANG, just like slrn - It has a user interface that works a whole lot like slrn
I don't know if it has a Win32 port.
>> My second biggest beef would be the lack of integrated mime support >> (which is a place where Pine excels); however, this is not all that >> important in news groups.
>Exactly - MIME on Usenet is like HTML in Emails - superfluous >(usually).
But MIME in email is a different story; that *can* be quite appropriate.
>> My third biggest beef is that there is no built-in configuration >> editor.
>With so many editors about - who needs a builtin editor? >That's a good thing[tm] - makes the binary much smaller. >If you want a newsreader with eveything and sugar on top, >well, use M$Explorer or Netscape. Or Pine for that matter.
I don't think that's the issue. It would be perfectly fine to spawn a configuration editor as a separate process.
The point is that there's nothing that provides a *structured* way of editing the configuration.
A text editor provides a completely unstructured way to do so; it would be quite nice to have something like unto the "dotfile editor" that exists for .emacs, .fvwmrc, .cshrc, and other such, or perhaps something like the structured config editor provided in recent editions of GNU Emacs (and likely XEmacs). -- "The problem might possibly be to do with the fact that asm code written for the x86 environment is, on other platforms, about as much use as a pork pie at a jewish wedding."- Andrew Gierth in comp.unix.programmer cbbro...@ntlug.org- <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/ipnntp.html>
Sven Guckes <guc...@math.fu-berlin.de> informed news.software.readers with the following:
>dris...@NOSPAM.net (David Risner): >> My second biggest beef would be the lack of integrated mime support >> (which is a place where Pine excels); however, this is not all that >> important in news groups.
>Exactly - MIME on Usenet is like HTML in Emails - superfluous (usually).
If we think about MIME in its broadest sense, I would say there's some use for MIME in news too, having MIME-headers telling us what charset the message uses is Good Thing[tm], although it's indeed questionable if things like multipart messages and often needless encodings belong to news...
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> Does `slrn' (Gnus) support IMAP4, LDAP and MIME? No!
No? You poor, poor malinformed little thing...
> This is a News group about Pine.
Really? Damn, and I thought it was about drooling idiots making themselves the laughing stock of thousands of people by virtue of their blatant ignorance. I'm sorry for the confusion, Michael, I really am.
> Pine is an excellent implementation concerning these protocols.
Noone ever questioned this, Michael. Well, maybe we did (the "excellent" part in particular), but then again, you didn't understand what the grown-ups here had to say, anyway. Or did you?
> If you want to play with colors and so on, go and start MS Windows up!
Now, isn't it quite sad to notice how attached you still are to the puny, puny world of your previous experiences in the computer sector? Your shiny Something98-toys and your glittering remote-controlled USB dildoes, your running Virtual Valery over a fucked up, pathetic piece of Net-Beui crapware and your feeling A Man(tm) because you found the Any key? Tell you what, Michael: I didn't use Dos in the days of old, when it was still called Dos and XT sucked big dick. I didn't use it when it was called Windog and ATs sucked even bigger dick. I'm still not using it now that it's become NoTechnology and Hextiums suck big, big, big dick, yet I can install Linux and then get violently sick over reading Usenet News written by clueless lusers thinking they're God cause they can boot into Wankdos.
But all of this rant is really beside the point, you know? The point is how the readability and efficiency of reading news can be enhanced by the newsreader. Sven has made his points. I have made mine. You have made yourself an idiot. No please sod off play with yourself somewhere else, will you? Tosser.
You know, sometimes I envy the Austrians. Noone expects them to be clever because they're all stupid. Have you considered moving south, Michael?
guc...@math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes) wrote: > Who really has a newsserver with enough disk space for all Usenet? > Well, DejaNews has! www.dejanews.com
Well, I'm sure Dejanews has a lot of disk space for news. But it's not a big deal really. They don't archive the Binary posts. Usenet is around 30GB/day these days. But if you only look at the articles under 10K in size, you find they only add up to about 1GB/day of news. Building a server which has a very long retention of the small articles is simple when compared to what "real" usenet servers have to do these days.
Usenet volume has more than doubled every year. So If you build a server large enough to hold one year of small articles (200GB I think would do it for the past year). Then all you have to do is double that size to hold every small article ever posted to Usenet. 400GB news servers are very common these days.
> Is `donotccmeoriwillkill...@socha.net' an alias for Dummschwaetzer?
No - but what does "Michael.Ma...@gmx.net" stand for?
Btw, the longish address is a valid email address. Its username gives you a hint on the user's pref on courtesy copies of Usenet messages. Hope this helps.
>So far it works well for me, except when the ID contains a "+". >Dejanews needs to have this character substituted by "%" (probably >others as well). I tried to work around it using str_replace_all: [...] >before: Z+A5sCBRfm12E...@thunderbird-sport.freeserve.co.uk >after: Z¥sCBRfm12E...@thunderbird-sport.freeserve.co.uk
>Here "+A5" have been replaced by "¥". Anybody know why?
Is it possible that lynx is expanding "%A5" (although I would guess that ¥ is produced by %BE, but this difference may be due to character set translations)? Perhaps you should try using, e.g.,
mid = str_replace_all (mid, "+", "%25");
so that lynx expands "%25" to "%".
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> On 3 Mar 99 20:26:13 GMT, Peppe <c928...@student.dtu.dk> > wrote: [--- snip ---] > > len = strlen (mid); > I would modify this to return is len == 0, otherwise mid[0] will > result in a range error: > if (len == 0) > return;
thanks for pointing this out.
> > if (mid[0] == '<' & mid[len-1] == '>') > > mid = substr (mid, 2, len-2); > Here you need to use 'and' instead of '&':
Hmm, it worked. Back to the docs.
> Also, if you are using a 1.3.x version of slang, you can use: > if ((mid[0] == '<') and (mid[-1] == '>')) > mid = mid[[1:len-2]];
Neat. Still 1.2.2 here, though.
> > % Why doesn't this work? > > %mid = str_replace_all (mid, "+", "%"); > It should work. See below.
[--- snip ---]
> The result should have been: > Z%A5sCBRfm12E...@thunderbird-sport.freeserve.co.uk
I thought so :-)
> Is it possible that lynx is expanding "%A5" (although I would guess > that ¥ is produced by %BE, but this difference may be due to character > set translations)? Perhaps you should try using, e.g., > mid = str_replace_all (mid, "+", "%25"); > so that lynx expands "%25" to "%".
Let me see... Seems as if I got dejanews encoding wrong. It should be "%2B" instead. Is it possible to find these encoding somewhere?
For those who would like to use the script, here it is again (hopefully in the right shape by now :-)
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On 3 Mar 99 20:52:33 GMT, Peppe <c928...@student.dtu.dk> wrote:
>Hmm, making a manual entry, dejanews seems to add "&ST=&AH=1" to such >an URL. Probably some extra info in the form.
yes, they just recently started adding that. Seems to have something to do with the interface you used to enter the search (for example, power search vs the normal). From what I've seen, the old still works.
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> Vielen Dank fuer die freundliche Antwort Du Schwaetzer!
You are welcome!
> Was/wer gibt diesem Dummschwaetzer von Robin S. das Recht hier > Unverschaemtheiten (donotccmeoriwillkillyou) zu verbreiten?
Who gave Robin the right to post? Good question. Who gave you a permission, btw?
> In Deutschland scheint man nicht viel davon zu halten, dass man > hoeflichkeitshalber Antworten auf News Postings auch als e-mail > verschickt.
That is quite common - however, but consensus is that it is polite to send CCs of followups only on request with a Mail-Copies-To header.
> Leider habe ich diesbezueglich sehr negative Erfahrungen in > deutschen Gruppen gemacht (Du kannst gern mal nach meiner RFC 822 > Diskussion suchen, in der ein anderer Dummschwaetzer Namens Lutz > Donnerhacke baren Unfug erzaehlt und Beleidigungen ausspricht),
Is that the same Lutz who writes about security, remailers, signing of news articles, electronic money, certification, and teergrubing? then I've seen him. He usually posts terse answers with hints, doesn't he? Anyway, what has he got to do with this?
> .. daher traue ich mich nicht mehr Antworten als e-mail zu senden.
Ah. So now you are afraid of replying by email and instead you post it all to this group? What a grand idea! Not.
> In US-Gruppen habe ich sowas noch nie erlebt!
Try posting your emails to alt.sysadmin.recovery then.
> Offensichtlich treibt sich in Deutschland hauptsaechlich > der Abschaum der Menschheit im Usenet herum!
Speak for yourself, buddy.
> Im uebrigen erwarte ich, dass Antworten auf meine > Postings mindestens per e-Mail gesendet werden -- > ob Du darueber hinaus gleichzeitig ein News > Posting machst, ist mir shi*egal!
You should expect replies within the same medium first. CCs are optional. On request.
I understand that you want a CC of this. Done. You are welcome.
> Und jetzt ab auf die Schulbank ihr Schwaetzer aus Deutschland!
1. You've been cc'ed on this. You like that, right? procmail is a cool little tool. !michael.ma...@gmx.net Have fun.
2. You're a fucking idiot, and need to kill yourself. Please see: http://www.r-t-f-m.com for instructions.
3. My thoughts of you could be summed up in these immortal words:
"You swine. You vulgar little maggot. Don't you know that you are pathetic? You worthless bag of filth. As we say in Texas, I'll bet you couldn't pour piss out of a boot with instructions on the heel. You are a canker. A sore that won't go away. I would rather kiss a lawyer than be seen with you. You are a fiend and a coward, and you have bad breath. You are degenerate, noxious and depraved. I feel debased just for knowing you exist. I despise everything about you. You are a bloody nardless newbie twit protohominid chromosomally aberrent caricature of a coprophagic cloacal parasitic pond scum. and I wish you would go away. You're a putrescent mass, a walking vomit. You are a spineless little worm deserving nothing but the profoundest contempt. You are a jerk, a cad, a weasel. Your life is a monument to stupidity. You are a stench, a revulsion, a big suck on a sour lemon. You are a bleating foal, a curdled staggering mutant dwarf smeared richly with the effluvia and offal accompanying your alleged birth into this world. An insensate, blinking calf, meaningful to nobody, abandoned by the puke-drooling, giggling beasts who sired you and then killed themselfs in recognition of what they had done. I will never get over the embarrassment of belonging to the same species as you. You are a monster, an ogre, a malformity. I barf at the very thought of you. You have all the appeal of a paper cut. Lepers avoid you. You are vile, worthless, less than nothing. You are a weed, a fungus, the dregs of this earth. And did I mention you smell, and post whining threads in German to a multilanguage newsgroup???"
Thanks for playing, now please go step in front of a train.
On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, Michael Maass wrote: > Vielen Dank fuer die freundliche Antwort Du Schwaetzer! > Was/wer gibt diesem Dummschwaetzer von Robin S. das Recht hier > Unverschaemtheiten (donotccmeoriwillkillyou) zu verbreiten? > In Deutschland scheint man nicht viel davon zu halten, dass man > hoeflichkeitshalber Antworten auf News Postings auch als e-mail > verschickt. Leider habe ich diesbezueglich sehr negative Erfahrungen in > deutschen Gruppen gemacht (Du kannst gern mal nach meiner RFC 822 > Diskussion suchen, in der ein anderer Dummschwaetzer Namens Lutz > Donnerhacke baren Unfug erzaehlt und Beleidigungen ausspricht), daher > traue ich mich nicht mehr Antworten als e-mail zu senden. In US-Gruppen > habe ich sowas noch nie erlebt! Offensichtlich treibt sich in Deutschland > hauptsaechlich der Abschaum der Menschheit im Usenet herum! > Im uebrigen erwarte ich, dass Antworten auf meine Postings mindestens per > e-Mail gesendet werden -- ob Du darueber hinaus gleichzeitig ein News > Posting machst, ist mir shi*egal! > Und jetzt ab auf die Schulbank ihr Schwaetzer aus Deutschland!
I think this needs translating (marked as -->). Let's see...
> Vielen Dank fuer die freundliche Antwort Du Schwaetzer!
--> "I am a tosser. Please killfile me."
> Was/wer gibt diesem Dummschwaetzer von Robin S. das Recht hier > Unverschaemtheiten (donotccmeoriwillkillyou) zu verbreiten?
--> "I hardly know what email is, but I'll try nonetheless: 'Mein Fuehrer, we need ze Zensorship, now!"
> In Deutschland scheint man nicht viel davon zu halten, dass man > hoeflichkeitshalber Antworten auf News Postings auch als e-mail > verschickt.
--> "Apart from fascist perversions in the area of email, I'm also an idiot when it comes to news. I think that courtesy copies are really *sigh* kinky *moan* and it *drool* makes me pretty *boioioing* hot to send them to people who explicitly state they don't want them."
> Leider habe ich diesbezueglich sehr negative Erfahrungen in deutschen > Gruppen gemacht
--> "And if you think I'm Joe Random Idiot, you're really wrong. I'm a class A idiot - people laugh at me all over the world."
> (Du kannst gern mal nach meiner RFC 822 Diskussion suchen, in der ein > anderer Dummschwaetzer Namens Lutz Donnerhacke baren Unfug erzaehlt und > Beleidigungen ausspricht),
--> "Netgods? What netgods?"
> daher traue ich mich nicht mehr Antworten als e-mail zu senden. In > US-Gruppen habe ich sowas noch nie erlebt! Offensichtlich treibt sich > in Deutschland hauptsaechlich der Abschaum der Menschheit im Usenet > herum!
--> "Everyone's a nazi but me. I'm just... well... an idiot?"
> Im uebrigen erwarte ich, dass Antworten auf meine Postings mindestens per > e-Mail gesendet werden --
* * * * * lart chainsaw echo "i want more mail" | mail Michael.Ma...@gmx.net
> ob Du darueber hinaus gleichzeitig ein News Posting machst, ist mir > shi*egal!
--> "I suck. Please kill me."
> Und jetzt ab auf die Schulbank ihr Schwaetzer aus Deutschland!
><donotccmeoriwillkill...@socha.net> wrote: >>* Steve Lamb <morph...@no-spam.calweb.com> writes: >> ^^^^^^^ >>Too dense for procmail, luser? And this is bollocks: >>Reply-To: morph...@no-spam.calweb.com
> No, not at all. Call it a large hint that I do *NOT* want responses >from news, perioud. Besides, when I implimented that no-spam.calweb.com was >a valid domain.
Add the header line "Mail-Copies-To: never" ('nobody' instead of 'never' works also). Any serious newsreader will honour it (at least slrn, GNUS, MacSOUP, NewsWatcher, Gravity, etc.). This a good way to implement the "I don't want courtesy e-mail copy of news follow-ups".
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