Collection List question for Beartooth
NM Public
thread :-)! Beartooth, can you run 'pine' on titan and type this:
M S L
which means Main > Setup > collectionLists, and copy and paste
what you see on that screen. If it is more than one screen, copy
and paste them all!
I don't think your archive folder is gone, it's probably hiding
in one of your collections.
More soon,
Nancy
Beartooth
You asked for it :
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Folder-Collection <Incoming-Folders>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
INBOX VA bblx ACFG ARTEMIS VCDL Adel-inbox
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Folder-Collection <Mail>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
sent-mail ces retire
saved-messages cips rh
.addressbook clan rha
.addressbook-2006-04-11 classics rhn
.imap/ crs rlst
.subscriptions cxo router
2Artemis daa rrn
AArtemis defenses rsync
ACFG dialup rtd
ARTEMIS digests rvglug
ARTEMIS.old distros security
Aanovalug dool sent-mail-apr-2004
Aavtluug doug sent-mail-apr-2005
Abook4gstn drafts sent-mail-apr-2006
Apending drd sent-mail-aug-2004
Apending-apr-2003 dsl sent-mail-aug-2005
Apending-apr-2004 dups sent-mail-dec-2002
Apending-apr-2005 eccu sent-mail-dec-2003
Apending-apr-2006 editors sent-mail-dec-2004
Apending-aug-2004 eril sent-mail-dec-2005
Apending-aug-2005 fc4 sent-mail-feb-2004
Apending-dec-2002 fca sent-mail-feb-2005
Apending-dec-2003 fedora sent-mail-feb-2006
Apending-dec-2004 ffcu sent-mail-jan-2004
Apending-dec-2005 ffx sent-mail-jan-2005
Apending-feb-2003 flag sent-mail-jan-2006
Apending-feb-2004 fp767 sent-mail-jul-2003
Apending-feb-2005 frc sent-mail-jul-2004
Apending-feb-2006 glock sent-mail-jul-2005
Apending-jan-2003 gmane sent-mail-jun-2004
Apending-jan-2004 gnome sent-mail-jun-2005
Apending-jan-2005 goa sent-mail-mar-2004
Apending-jan-2006 gout sent-mail-mar-2005
Apending-jul-2003 gps sent-mail-mar-2006
Apending-jul-2004 grace sent-mail-may-2004
Apending-jul-2005 grub sent-mail-may-2005
Apending-jun-2003 gwg sent-mail-nov-2003
Apending-jun-2004 hardware sent-mail-nov-2004
Apending-jun-2005 harvey sent-mail-nov-2005
Apending-mar-2003 hemlock sent-mail-oct-2003
Apending-mar-2004 hhbk sent-mail-oct-2004
Apending-mar-2005 huaddr sent-mail-oct-2005
Apending-mar-2006 huha sent-mail-sep-2003
Apending-may-2003 hunting sent-mail-sep-2004
Apending-may-2004 hwn sent-mail-sep-2005
Apending-may-2005 ijb shc
Apending-nov-2002 ila shirleys
Apending-nov-2003 ira shrike
Apending-nov-2004 jbn sjeff
Apending-nov-2005 jkgp snoped
Apending-oct-2003 johnfi software
Apending-oct-2004 jrrt spam
Apending-oct-2005 js sql
Apending-sep-2003 juliac ssa
Apending-sep-2004 kais ssh
Apending-sep-2005 khh sticks
Artemis lan sudo
Avcdl laptop sue
Bblx lc svlug
Drafts lcfcu syl
FC4 library tacfg
JC linksys td/
Korwin's Krapola linux tdnd
LAN lmgr techfcu
Net lsec temp
Novalug lserv terrasoft
Quotes m+l tfa
Sent maps tomc
Spam misc tonyd
T57 mmna trash
Tests money truck
Trash mzzn tsalagi
URLs new2jo tsvt
VA newegg twra
VCDL news twuug
VCDL.old novalug uber
Wolves nra ulcjh
abw nreaders unjokes
acfg nrh urg2
addresses ntqt urls
alias opera va
alice oreilly vcdl
apple osx vdq
arms outdoor vdqs
arno pan venator
artemis pangp vh
athlon patc virus
aucarms pburg virusa
bash pdh vixen
bbd pdr vnps
bblx perm vtluug
bblx.old pgp vzn
bburg phnx waffles
bburg.net phoebe warren
bburg.rlst phoenix wbel
billo pine wbth
blacklist pix welcomes
blacklist.old plan whitelist
bmx planetc wine
boilerplate postponed-msgs wlng
books privoxy words
brentd pro2a wtc.old
browsers progun xbow
ccw psyche xp
cdburn quotes ydl
cds ratc yellowdog
cen recipes yum
centos remote_addrbook
cert remote_pinerc
--
Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck, Double Retiree,
Not Quite Clueless Linux Power User : Fedora Core 5 [etc]
I have precious (very precious) little idea where up is.
NM Public
your local system.
-nancy
Beartooth
> Thank you! Now can you do the same thing using 'pine' running on
> your local system.
Well, there are four of them, remember -- and even when two or more have
a folder with the same name, its contents will vary. There are also a few
directories on different machines with names like Oldpine or pine.Old for
whatever I've saved before upgrading an operating system in one place or
another -- though that isn't really a pine question, and I imagine it
would make most sense to disregard it here.
I suggest I send you four more replies to this message, one from each. And
before I do, does it matter whether titan pine, or its folder Adel-inbox,
is open when I access my inbox directly?
(I'm doing all I can at the moment through ssh into titan, and then
invoking pine, rather than using the alias from here, which still sees an
odd admixture of stuff, btw. I hope that's right.)
NM Public
> On Thu, 25 May 2006 14:06:49 +0100, NM Public wrote:
>
>> Thank you! Now can you do the same thing using 'pine' running on
>> your local system.
>
Yes, I remember that there are 4 pine aliases on your local
system, but what I want you to do is run the 'pine' alias on your
local system and then type MSL and then copy & paste what you see
into a reply to this message. At the moment, I only care about
the alias that is called 'pine' -- that's what I mean when I put
'pine' in quotes. I mean for you to type exactly this
pine
The other aliases are for emergency situations when the 'pine'
alias does not work. In general, you will always use the 'pine'
alias on your local system and that is the one we need to get
working.
If I want you to type one of the other pine aliases, I will
explicitly ask you to do that.
I hope this makes sense.
--
Nancy McGough
Infinite Ink: <http://www.ii.com/>
Bookmarks & Blog: <http://deflexion.com/>
NM Public
>
> before I do, does it matter whether titan pine, or its folder
> Adel-inbox, is open when I access my inbox directly?
No, it does not matter. This is one of the nice things about
using a TCP/IP protocol to access a mailbox.
-Nancy
Beartooth
> Yes, I remember that there are 4 pine aliases on your local
> system, but what I want you to do is run the 'pine' alias on your
> local system and then type MSL and then copy & paste what you see
> into a reply to this message. At the moment, I only care about
> the alias that is called 'pine' -- that's what I mean when I put
> 'pine' in quotes. I mean for you to type exactly this
>
> pine
Oh! I didn't happen to be on the machine that has the alias, and didn't
think of that. I am now. After the command, I got
[btth@localhost ~]$ pine
+HST:h-68-164-247-62.snvacaid.co... USER: karhunhammas PASSWORD:
After giving the password,
PINE 4.64 MAIN MENU Folder: INBOX No Messages
? HELP - Get help using Pine
C COMPOSE MESSAGE - Compose and send a message
I MESSAGE INDEX - View messages in current folder
L FOLDER LIST - Select a folder to view
A ADDRESS BOOK - Update address book
S SETUP - Configure Pine Options
Q QUIT - Leave the Pine program
Copyright 1989-2005. PINE is a trademark of the University of Washingto [Folder "INBOX" opened with 0 messages]
? Help P PrevCmd R RelNotes
O OTHER CMDS > [ListFldrs] N NextCmd K KBLock
And on hitting L :
PINE 4.64 FOLDER LIST Folder: INBOX No Messages
---------------------------------------------------------------------------Folder-Collection <Incoming-Folders>
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
INBOX bblx ARTEMIS Adel-inbox
VA ACFG VCDL
---------------------------------------------------------------------------Folder-Collection <Mail>
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
sent-mail cxo sent-mail-apr-2006
saved-messages lserv tacfg
Apending opm titan
Apending-apr-2006 pine tsalagi
abw postponed-msgs
books rrn
[ALL of folder list]
> The other aliases are for emergency situations when the 'pine'
> alias does not work. In general, you will always use the 'pine'
> alias on your local system and that is the one we need to get
> working.
>
> If I want you to type one of the other pine aliases, I will
> explicitly ask you to do that.
>
> I hope this makes sense.
Yes, it does now. I'm betting that those folders in that last screen have
different (i.e., adelphia) content than the ones really on titan, btw,
even when they have the same names.
--
Beartooth Staffwright, Wordcrafty Squirreler
FC5; Pine 4.64, Pan 0.14.2.91; Privoxy 3.0.3; CXO 5.0.1
Dillo 0.8.5, Opera 8.54, Firefox 1.5, Galeon 2.0.1
Remember I have little idea what I am talking about.
NM Public
> Sur 2006-05-25, Beartooth skribis:
>> On Thu, 25 May 2006 14:06:49 +0100, NM Public wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you! Now can you do the same thing using 'pine' running on
>>> your local system.
>>
>> Well, there are four of them, remember [ deleted ]
>
>
> Yes, I remember that there are 4 pine aliases on your local system, but what
I just realized that when you said "four of them," you might mean
your 4 local systems. Please set up all of your local systems so
that they all have the same pine aliases, especially the 'pine'
alias, i.e., the one that looks like this:
/path/to/pine -p "{titan.lserv.com/novalidate-cert/user=karhunhammas}remote_pinerc"
Remember that this is all on one line and you need to replace
'/path/to/pine' with the correct path to pine on that system.
Instructions for setting up bash aliases are in older messages.
Thank you,
Nancy
Beartooth
>>> Well, there are four of them, remember [ deleted ]
>>
>>
>> Yes, I remember that there are 4 pine aliases on your local system, but what
>> [cut]
>
> I just realized that when you said "four of them," you might mean
> your 4 local systems.
Actually, I forgot : it's five; but the laptop is so seldom used, except
for guests (with a guest logon id and no access to any of my email) that
we can ignore it.
> Please set up all of your local systems so
> that they all have the same pine aliases, especially the 'pine'
> alias, i.e., the one that looks like this:
>
> /path/to/pine -p "{titan.lserv.com/novalidate-cert/user=karhunhammas}remote_pinerc"
Even though, as you can see from the folder lists, that alias gets neither
titan's folder list nor the proper content of the folders it does list --
and none at all of titan's inbox? (Iow, if I understand aright, the alias
is certain sure good, but somehow accessing a bad .pinerc?) I'm getting
*very* confused.
> Remember that this is all on one line and you need to replace
> '/path/to/pine' with the correct path to pine on that system.
> Instructions for setting up bash aliases are in older messages.
If you really say so, yes, I can find the instructions again. I *think* I
can also scp a .pinerc from any machine to any other, including titan.
(The laptop, being an Apple, may be different for aught I know, since it
runs FC5.ppc instead of plain FC5; but I'm already proposing to ignore
that unless it's way easy.)
NM Public
'pine' running *on titan*.
1] Type MSLA to go to Main > Setup > collectionList > Add
2] On the FOLDER COLLECTION ADD screen, specify the following:
Nickname : titan.lserv.com IMAP
Server : titan.lserv.com/novalidate-cert/user=karhunhammas
Path :
View :
3] Type ^X to save and exit. Answer Yes to any save questions.
4] Quit and restart pine on titan.
5] Type ML to go to Main > folder List
6] Go into the 'titan.lserv.com IMAP' collection and check that
you can open a folder in there.
7] Quit pine on titan.
8] On your *local system*, run the 'pine' *alias* (the 'pine'
alias should now be the same on all your local systems)
9] Type ML to go to Main > folder List
10] Go into the 'titan.lserv.com IMAP' collection and check that
you can open a folder in there.
Let us know what happens.
There is still clean up that needs to be done so do not despair
if you are unhappy with the current set up.
Good luck,
Nancy
NM Public
>
>> Please set up all of your local systems so
>> that they all have the same pine aliases, especially the 'pine'
>> alias, i.e., the one that looks like this:
>>
>> /path/to/pine -p "{titan.lserv.com/novalidate-cert/user=karhunhammas}remote_pinerc"
>
> Even though, as you can see from the folder lists, that alias gets neither
> titan's folder list nor the proper content of the folders it does list --
> and none at all of titan's inbox? (Iow, if I understand aright, the alias
> is certain sure good, but somehow accessing a bad .pinerc?) I'm getting
> *very* confused.
I know you are confused -- that is why I said earlier that you
have some fundamental misunderstandings. But, YES, you need to
set up these pine aliases on all your local systems. The easiest
way is to copy the bash file that you use to set the aliases.
Before you replicate your bash files, please copy & paste the
following two files from the *local system* that has the working
pine aliases.
~/.bashrc
~/.bash_profile
This will let me know what exactly your aliases are and how they
are specified.
Thank you,
Nancy
Beartooth
> OK, now I know what's going on. I want you to do the following on
> 'pine' running *on titan*.
That means on the machine with the alias, and using it, iiuc; so that's
what all the following will be.
> 1] Type MSLA to go to Main > Setup > collectionList > Add
>
> 2] On the FOLDER COLLECTION ADD screen, specify the following:
>
> Nickname : titan.lserv.com IMAP
> Server : titan.lserv.com/novalidate-cert/user=karhunhammas
> Path :
> View :
>
>
> 3] Type ^X to save and exit. Answer Yes to any save questions.
That resulted in
PINE 4.64 SETUP COLLECTION LIST Folder: INBOX No Messages
Mail
Local folders in mail/
titan.lserv.com IMAP
Folders on titan.lserv.com/novalidate-cert/user=karhunhammas in hom
> 4] Quit and restart pine on titan.
Done, again using the alias.
> 5] Type ML to go to Main > folder List
Done.
> 6] Go into the 'titan.lserv.com IMAP' collection and check that
> you can open a folder in there.
Yes; I opened several, and they appear at first glance to be like the ones
I get to with ssh; but I think there are some not there ...
> 7] Quit pine on titan.
Done.
> 8] On your *local system*, run the 'pine' *alias*
Well, I guess I got it backward -- but I don't *think* anything is ruined.
Having just done all the above under the alias, I did it now under ssh --
and things appeared to be the same in the folder-collection <Mail> and the
folder-collection <titan.lserv.com IMAP> -- except for some dummies listed
as 1 Apr 21 Mail System Inter (638) DON'T DELETE THIS MESSAGE --
FOLDE
> (the 'pine' alias should now be the same on all your local systems)
I haven't done that yet. It will take a while -- and I have a couple
things that have to be done today. It may be tomorrow before I can report
having it all done. Question : can I use the easy way instead, and just do
scp from the .bashrc with the aliases to the other machines? If I can
spare all the finding and copying, etc., that will go a lot quicker and
more surely, though it may still be tomorrow before I can report on it.
> 9] Type ML to go to Main > folder List
>
> 10] Go into the 'titan.lserv.com IMAP' collection and check that
> you can open a folder in there.
Yes, both under the alias and under ssh.
> Let us know what happens.
>
> There is still clean up that needs to be done so do not despair
> if you are unhappy with the current set up.
The only thing that really bothers me is that my ignorant autodidact's
errors must be causing you a lot more work than you meant to let yourself
in for. So long as you're still in my corner, I have no doubt of the
ultimate outcome. I've been reading your posts here on c.m.p for a lot of
years -- verbum sap.
Beartooth
I hope I'm not misinterpreting the tilde. From my userid home directory :
[btth@localhost ~]$ cat .bashrc
# .bashrc
# Source global definitions
if [ -f /etc/bashrc ]; then
. /etc/bashrc
fi
# User specific aliases and functions
alias Adelpine='/usr/bin/pine'
alias delpine='/usr/bin/pine'
alias pine='/usr/bin/pine -p "{titan.lserv.com/novalidate-cert/user=karhunhammas}remote_pinerc"'
[btth@localhost ~]$ cat .bash_profile
# .bash_profile
# Get the aliases and functions
if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then
. ~/.bashrc
fi
# User specific environment and startup programs
PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin
export PATH
unset USERNAME
alias Adelpine='/usr/bin/pine'
alias delpine='/usr/bin/pine'
alias pine='/usr/bin/pine -p
"{titan.lserv.com/novalidate-cert/user=karhunhammas}remote_pinerc"'
[btth@localhost ~]$
One more thing; I just checked, and under the alias there's still no
access to my incoming stuff : no inbox in the titan IMAP folder
collection, and an INBOX claimed empty.
NM Public
your other systems, let's first get the following three things
figured out:
1] Password file (PASSFILE) details -- we may end up specifying
the passfile in the aliases
2] Make sure you actually want to use this system once we get it
all set up.
3] Decide on all the pine aliases that you need.
So, for now, I'm holding off on the alias propagation and
focusing on getting 'pine' working on titan and on the one local
system where you have the 'pine' alias.
I hope you agree with this plan!
Nancy
Beartooth
Fine by me.
I have tried to answer your last few messages (and a helpful one from
EduardoC) in what I hope was the order posted. So I also need to know what
a passfile is.
I can keep at this a while longer today -- but it must be pushing
dinnertime in London. And we've gotten what to me at least seems a
huge mass of work done for one session already. Want to call it a day?