I am happy to report to alpine users, that you can very probably open Gmail's imap inbox with confidence. As reported, gmail's imap implimentation does not accurately report the message size for messages you try to save from gmail's INBOX to a local folder.
As a result alpine reports an error and warns you the saved message may have corrupt data. I have done my own experiment, by saving many messages to local folders anyway. Up to now, I have not a single case where the message saved was actually incomplete or corrupt. So I feel this is safe to do, and do not mind the extra prompt needed to do it, when alpine complains.
Before this, I used a maildrop for gamail, but found alpine's frequent pauses to read the server's messages -- quite annoying.
I've heard rumors that there are versions of alpine, compiled for windows, that do not display this error message when dealing with gmail. But I have never located such a binary.
Howard Schwartz <howard...@gmail.com> wrote: >I am happy to report to alpine users, that you can very probably open >Gmail's imap inbox with confidence. As reported, gmail's imap >implimentation does not accurately report the message size for messages >you try to save from gmail's INBOX to a local folder. >As a result alpine reports an error and warns you the saved message may >have corrupt data. I have done my own experiment, by saving many messages >to local folders anyway. Up to now, I have not a single case where the >message saved was actually incomplete or corrupt. So I feel this is safe >to do, and do not mind the extra prompt needed to do it, when alpine >complains. >Before this, I used a maildrop for gamail, but found alpine's frequent >pauses to read the server's messages -- quite annoying. >I've heard rumors that there are versions of alpine, compiled for >windows, that do not display this error message when dealing with gmail. >But I have never located such a binary.
Yeah, I noticed this bug yesterday but the message was intact.
However, I see just the messages in gmail's inbox. I thought gmail stored everything in one enormous INBOX, with tags to mimic folders, but apparently that's not the case. What's the filespace for messages no longer in INBOX?
"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote in news:j777s0$ps2$2
@news.albasani.net:
> However, I see just the messages in gmail's inbox. I thought gmail
> stored everything in one enormous INBOX, with tags to mimic folders,
> but apparently that's not the case. What's the filespace for messages
> no longer in INBOX?
Not sure what you are asking, but: messagest that alpine seemingly deletes from INBOX are not actually deleted from the google mailserver. They remain in the pseudo-folder, All Mail. To really delete them, move them from All Mail to the pseudo-folder, Trash, and then have alpine delete them from that folder.
However, the pseudo-folders, Trash and Spam are different. When alpine deletes messsages from these folders, they are really deleted.
This is a little bit of a pain at first: Every few weeks one needs to clean out All Mail, and Spam (which can quickly build to thousands of messages!). Another special pseudo-folder is Sent Mail. Whether you define fcc in alpine or not, google will always save your sent messages on its own server in Sent Mail.
But it is not bad, and sometimes this behaviour comes in handy: If you accidentally `deleted' a message from Inbox, you can retrieve it later from All Mail - even at somebody else's house and computer--wth a browser. So All Mail acts like a super fcc folder: All your mail, both sent and received gets saved -- until you really, really delete it.
Howard Schwartz <howard...@gmail.com> wrote:
>"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>However, I see just the messages in gmail's inbox. I thought gmail
>>stored everything in one enormous INBOX, with tags to mimic folders,
>>but apparently that's not the case. What's the filespace for messages
>>no longer in INBOX?
>Not sure what you are asking,
I'm asking what IMAP syntax I would use in alpine to see gmail message
in folders other than INBOX.
That will create a folder collection called Gmail which you can view
using, for instance, the L command from Pine's main menu. This collection will contain Folders such as All Mail, Sent Drafts Starred and so on.
Howard Schwartz <howard...@gmail.com> wrote:
>"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>I'm asking what IMAP syntax I would use in alpine to see gmail message
>>in folders other than INBOX.
>In pinerc, under Folder Collections insert this line:
>Gmail {imap.gmail.com/ssl/novalidate-cert/user=howard...@gmail.com} >Gmail]]/[],
No, that syntax doesn't work, and the two consecutive right square brackets
sure look wrong. I tried [Gmail]/[] and other variations.
I either get nothing, or a folder name followed by /[], also clickable.
>That will create a folder collection called Gmail which you can view
>using, for instance, the L command from Pine's main menu. This collection >will contain Folders such as All Mail, Sent Drafts Starred and so on.
I never got an All Mail folder under any variation I could think of.
> No, that syntax doesn't work, and the two consecutive right square
> brackets sure look wrong. I tried [Gmail]/[] and other variations.
I know the double square brackets looked wrong to me also. However, I got this syntax I believe from a post by Edeurdo, and when I used it it did and does indeed work for me. I am running xp service pack3. Have you tried this, or were you convinced it would not work just looking at it?
Howard Schwartz <howard...@gmail.com> wrote:
>"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>No, that syntax doesn't work, and the two consecutive right square
>>brackets sure look wrong. I tried [Gmail]/[] and other variations.
>I know the double square brackets looked wrong to me also. However, I got >this syntax I believe from a post by Edeurdo, and when I used it it did and >does indeed work for me. I am running xp service pack3. Have you tried >this, or were you convinced it would not work just looking at it?
I tried it using the two literal right brackets in a row; didn't work.
Here's the syntax I could get to work:
{imap.gmail.com/ssl/novalidate-cert/user=usern...@gmail.com}[]
Now I see a subdirectory named [Gmail]/
Clicking on that, I see All Mail. What I don't understand is why I get
a clickable subdirectory symbol [/] after every single folder but get
no subdirectories.
>Howard Schwartz <howard...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>No, that syntax doesn't work, and the two consecutive right square
>>>brackets sure look wrong. I tried [Gmail]/[] and other variations.
>>I know the double square brackets looked wrong to me also. However, I got >>this syntax I believe from a post by Edeurdo, and when I used it it did and >>does indeed work for me. I am running xp service pack3. Have you tried >>this, or were you convinced it would not work just looking at it?
>I tried it using the two literal right brackets in a row; didn't work.
>Here's the syntax I could get to work:
>{imap.gmail.com/ssl/novalidate-cert/user=usern...@gmail.com}[]
>Now I see a subdirectory named [Gmail]/
>Clicking on that, I see All Mail. What I don't understand is why I get
>a clickable subdirectory symbol [/] after every single folder but get
>no subdirectories.
I got it to work. In .pinerc
{imap.gmail.com/ssl/novalidate-cert/user=USERN...@gmail.com}[[Gmail]]/[]
In the .pinerc editor on the Setup > collectionLists screen
