pine, imap and new mail polling
Kjell Andresen
Which program would you recommend to monitor new mail using pine?
It should be able to check new mail from a cyrus imap server
using ssl og tls as unencrypted pop and imap is not allowed and
is shut down.
I installed the gbuffy rpm from
http://www.fiction.net/blong/programs/gbuffy/
but it didn't work right out the box. The error message was:
$ gbuffy: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgdk-1.2.so.0:
undefined symbol: XListInputDevices
[1]+ Exit 127 gbuffy
Before using more effort on this I ask for your advice,
Kjell
NM Public
> Which program would you recommend to monitor new mail using
> pine?
I've experimented with *lots* of different things and finally
settled on using an instance of pine to monitor all my newly
arriving email. I discuss how I do this here:
IMAP Tip: Use a backup-all mailbox
<http://deflexion.com/2006/01/imap-tip-use-backup-all-mailbox>
It might sound like a weird idea, but it works remarkably well
for me and I wish I had thought of this a long time ago!
Hope this helps,
Nancy
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Eduardo Chappa
:) Which program would you recommend to monitor new mail using pine?
There is a patch which I wrote that allows users to check for new mail in
external folders. These folders must be added to the Incoming-Folders
collections, and once all is set up you will be notified when new mail
arrives to each folder. You can get the patch in my web page, whose
address is below.
On the other hand, you should also take a look at the
[X] tab-checks-recent
feature, it may be all you need. That one works for any folder in any
collection.
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Beartooth Stafwright
> I've experimented with *lots* of different things and finally settled on
> using an instance of pine to monitor all my newly arriving email. I
> discuss how I do this here:
>
> IMAP Tip: Use a backup-all mailbox
> <http://deflexion.com/2006/01/imap-tip-use-backup-all-mailbox>
Here's a question that's not really OT, I think : you mention there using
Horde/IMP to access your mail over a browser, at least some of the time --
iiuc.
My own practice with email when at home is to stick to pine, and when not,
to get onto any machine I can, call up any browser it has, and connect to
the webmail interface at my chief ISP -- which runs squirrelmail, but
that's a server, again iiuc. (As to my secondary ISP, I don't presently
have a way to get to my mail there when I'm away from home.)
Horde/imp seems to be a whole great whacking complex of stuff --
amounting to a client, at least as far as present purposes are concerned.
(So I couldn't, for instance, very well walk into a little county public
library far from home, go up to whatever M$ machine it has for
the public, and install horde/imp on it).
Would you mind enlightening us on when you use it, and why it rather than
pine?
And while I'm skating along the edge of the topic: do you use any
newsreaders other than Pine, and if so when, where, a/o under what
circumstances? (As for me, I hate touching any mailer other than pine; but
I do my very extensive usenet stuff with Pan -- in large part because I
actually want a mouse for much of it.)
Whenever I see somebody who knows Pine as well, and afaik liking it as
well, as N McG using anything else, I get very curious indeed: there may
be something there not dreamt of in my philosophy ...
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Redneck Retiree, Not Quite Clueless Power User
NM Public
> On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:21:03 +0100, NM Public wrote:
>
>> IMAP Tip: Use a backup-all mailbox
>> <http://deflexion.com/2006/01/imap-tip-use-backup-all-mailbox>
>
> Here's a question that's not really OT, I think : you mention
> there using Horde/IMP to access your mail over a browser, at
> least some of the time -- iiuc.
>
>
> Would you mind enlightening us on when you use it, and why it
> rather than pine?
I use Horde/IMP when I either:
* need to search my entire IMAP message store (because Pine
sucks in this department and IMP does this well, including
letting me create virtual mailboxes (saved searches))
* am in a location where I cannot run Pine, e.g., in an Internet
cafe that does not allow ssh'ing to a remote system.
If you want to use Horde/IMP, you will want it installed on the
system where all (*) of your mail messages are stored. I.e., on
Ddave's system. I suggest you ask Ddave what, if any, web-based
IMAP client(s) he has installed on his system. This is what you
will probably want to use to complement Pine.
> And while I'm skating along the edge of the topic: do you use
> any newsreaders other than Pine, and if so when, where, a/o
> under what circumstances? (As for me, I hate touching any
> mailer other than pine; but I do my very extensive usenet stuff
> with Pan -- in large part because I actually want a mouse for
> much of it.)
>
> Whenever I see somebody who knows Pine as well, and afaik
> liking it as well, as N McG using anything else, I get very
> curious indeed: there may be something there not dreamt of in
> my philosophy ...
I mainly use Pine for NNTP because I save lots of messages to
IMAP mailboxes and Pine makes it very easy to save an NNTP
message to an IMAP mailbox.
If the main reason you use Pan is because it supports the mouse,
why don't you set up Pine to use the mouse (i.e., run it in X
Windows and set enable-mouse-in-xterm)?
Nancy
(*) In another thread, we are in the process of moving all your
messages and pine config files to Ddave's IMAP server -- soon you
will be free of email lock in!
Beartooth Stafwright
> If the main reason you use Pan is because it supports the mouse, why don't
> you set up Pine to use the mouse (i.e., run it in X Windows and set
> enable-mouse-in-xterm)?
I do, I do; had to do without for a while, and missed it badly. But my
comment was shorthand, of course; and I don't quite know how to verbalize
what it's shorthand for. Much the majority of the groups I monitor are
ones where I completely ignore 80 - 90% of the threads; and I put up with
a less than satisfactory editor (which doesn't let me indent paragraphs
with the tab key, for instance) because that much skimming seems a lot
quicker and easier in a GUIer environment.
> (*) In another thread, we are in the process of moving all your messages
> and pine config files to Ddave's IMAP server -- soon you will be free of
> email lock in!
Yes, in thunder! And as I mentioned in that thread, I just got the
go-ahead last night. <big grin>
Beartooth Stafwright
> I use Horde/IMP when I either:
>
> * need to search my entire IMAP message store (because Pine
> sucks in this department and IMP does this well, including letting me
> create virtual mailboxes (saved searches))
Hmmmm .... One thing that I would really find helpful, and that I don't
believe Pine can do, is this: say I need a message whose date and subject
line I disremember, from a correspondent I've kept hundreds of messages
from, in at least a couple dozen folders.. What I do remember is that it
quotes the old structural linguistic line, "The gostak distims the
doshes." So I'd like to search individual messages in various folders for
that string. Is that what you mean by searching an entire IMAP message
store?
> If you want to use Horde/IMP, you will want it installed on the system
> where all (*) of your mail messages are stored. I.e., on Ddave's system. I
> suggest you ask Ddave what, if any, web-based IMAP client(s) he has
> installed on his system. This is what you will probably want to use to
> complement Pine.
If it can find one line in multiple messages in multiple folders, I'll
certainly ask him to take a look at it. It's also possible he already has
it. (I tried rpm -q horde and rpm -q imphorde from my shell prompt, and
got nothing, but I'm not sure that tells me he doesn't -- even if those
commands should've worked, he may have it set to permission only for root,
or root and his own login ...)
> (*) In another thread, we are in the process of moving all your messages
> and pine config files to Ddave's IMAP server -- soon you will be free of
> email lock in!
Let's get that done first, in case I have to holler to him for help with
it -- like restoring the backup he made.
NM Public
>
> Hmmmm .... One thing that I would really find helpful, and that
> I don't believe Pine can do, is this: say I need a message
> whose date and subject line I disremember, from a correspondent
> I've kept hundreds of messages from, in at least a couple dozen
> folders.. What I do remember is that it quotes the old
> structural linguistic line, "The gostak distims the doshes." So
> I'd like to search individual messages in various folders for
> that string. Is that what you mean by searching an entire IMAP
> message store?
Yes, that's what I mean. When I say "my entire IMAP message
store", I mean all the messages in all the folders on my IMAP
server (for you that means on titan.lserv.com).
Most decent IMAP clients can do this type of searching, including
Pine. The nice thing about Horde/IMP is that it presents the
matched messages as if they were all in one folder -- i.e., in a
"virtual folder" -- when they, in fact, reside in multiple
folders.
>> If you want to use Horde/IMP, you will want it installed on
>> the system where all (*) of your mail messages are stored.
>> I.e., on Ddave's system. I suggest you ask Ddave what, if any,
>> web-based IMAP client(s) he has installed on his system. This
>> is what you will probably want to use to complement Pine.
>
> If it can find one line in multiple messages in multiple
> folders, I'll certainly ask him to take a look at it. It's also
> possible he already has it. (I tried rpm -q horde and rpm -q
> imphorde from my shell prompt, and got nothing, but I'm not
> sure that tells me he doesn't -- even if those commands
> should've worked, he may have it set to permission only for
> root, or root and his own login ...)
Installing Horde/IMP is not something that you, as a regular
user, should be doing. That is something the the admin should do,
i.e., that Ddave should do. He probably already has some
web-based IMAP client in place that you can use for searching and
Internet caffeing. I suggest you ask him what, if any, web-based
IMAP clients he is using. Most people use SquirrelMail,
RoundCube, and/or Horde/IMP. All of these are fine complements to
Pine.
Hope this makes sense,
Nancy
NM Public
>
>> And while I'm skating along the edge of the topic: do you use any
>> newsreaders other than Pine, and if so when, where, a/o under what
>> circumstances? (As for me, I hate touching any mailer other than pine;
>> but I do my very extensive usenet stuff with Pan -- in large part
>> because I actually want a mouse for much of it.)
>>
>> Whenever I see somebody who knows Pine as well, and afaik liking it as
>> well, as N McG using anything else, I get very curious indeed: there
>> may be something there not dreamt of in my philosophy ...
>
>
> I mainly use Pine for NNTP because I save lots of messages to IMAP
> mailboxes and Pine makes it very easy to save an NNTP message to an IMAP
> mailbox.
>
> If the main reason you use Pan is because it supports the mouse, why
> don't you set up Pine to use the mouse (i.e., run it in X Windows and
> set enable-mouse-in-xterm)?
Since I posted the above, a new version of the SeaMonkey suite
was released and I'm trying it out right now. You (Beartooth and
others) might like it because 1) it supports the mouse and 2)
it's Free/Libre Open Source Software. I like it for those reasons
*and* because it lets me save NNTP messages to IMAP mailboxes.
It seems to be a nice complement to Pine. (And it also seems a
lot better than the last time I tried it!)
Nancy
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