pop, smtp & nntp: ID & passwrd settings - HOW?

[no.to...@gmail.com]

I'm trying to use linux:alpine to send mail.
The mail bounces, because it shows
'From: ro...@neomail.co.za'
instead of
'From: <MyID>@neomail.co.za'

So now, I'll log a new attempt:
C(ompose / Fill To, Cc, Subject & body:
'To: <MyID>@neomail.co.za'
'Cc: <MyID>@gmail.com

pO(stpone because I have NOT got *allways-on* inet.

Now, I'l check the
S(etup

While I'm at that mode/menu I'll check the
<password for news> where it shows:------

]Changing password for root
]Enter the new password (minimum of 5, maximum of 127 characters)
]Please use a combination of upper and lower case letters and numbers.
]New password: Bad password: too short.
]Warning: weak password (enter it again to use it anyway).
]New password:
-----------
This is crap!
1. `pine` has no 'right' to 'know' me as "root"
2. `pine` should *ASK* me my ID/s for the purpose of each mail & news server.

This menu shows no way of exiting.
The above trace shows what happened when I tried CrtrlC to `exit`.
Fortunately in linux I can `kill` alpine, and start again.

Some <config menu> shows a zillion variables, instead of the 3 essential:
UserID, User Password, Server-name,
for each pop, smtp & nntp account.

What is wrong with you people?
pine has been under development for some 2 decades now.

== Chris Glur.

PS.
Is true that some accounts don't accept mail unless the sender
has been 'introduced', like in the address book, first?

[Rob Brown]

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 at 13:04 -0000, no.to...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm trying to use linux:alpine to send mail.
> The mail bounces, because it shows
> 'From: ro...@neomail.co.za'
> instead of
> 'From: <MyID>@neomail.co.za'

Are you logged in as root? That would explain why "root" is inserted
into the From line.

I don't know why your mail would bounce because the From is wrong. I
routinely change my From address when sending mail with Alpine 2.00
and the mail always gets to its destination. Let me know who in the
world you would like to receive mail from, and I will send you some.

Anyway, you have a few options wrt the from address. They are all in
the Setup Configuration page. Look for:

Default Composer Headers = To:
Cc:
Fcc:
Subject:
Customized Headers = From:
Cc
Reply-to:

You can add or remove headers from each section and specify default
values for each header. In your case, I think you should add the From
header to "Default Composer Headers" and include <MyID>@neomail.co.za
as the value for the From header.

The customized headers appear if you press <control-R> while in
composer with the cursor in the header area.

If you need to use a different From header at different times (for
example), you will want to check out the "Roles" function of Alpine.
I use a role to force my From line to "mylas...@gmcl.com" when I
post to news (see above).

> Now, I'l check the
> S(etup
>
> While I'm at that mode/menu I'll check the
> <password for news> where it shows:------
>
> ]Changing password for root
> ]Enter the new password (minimum of 5, maximum of 127 characters)
> ]Please use a combination of upper and lower case letters and numbers.
> ]New password: Bad password: too short.
> ]Warning: weak password (enter it again to use it anyway).
> ]New password:

I did not follow any of this. I don't recall seeing it in pine.

> -----------
> This is crap!
> 1. `pine` has no 'right' to 'know' me as "root"

Are you logged in as root when you start pine?

> 2. `pine` should *ASK* me my ID/s for the purpose of each mail & news server.

It does for me. How do you have your servers defined? For example,
in .pinerc I see:

incoming-folders=mumble {mumble.ca/user=rob+mumble.ca}inbox
news-collections=News {newsserver.myISP.net/nntp}#news.[]

The mail folder asks for authentication. My ISP does not ask for
authentication for news.

(You can configure this using setup, but I did not see a way to
display the incoming folder configuration there. That is why I showed
lines from .pinerc.)

> This menu shows no way of exiting.
> The above trace shows what happened when I tried CrtrlC to `exit`.

I did not understand this either.

> Some <config menu> shows a zillion variables, instead of the 3
> essential: UserID, User Password, Server-name, for each pop, smtp &
> nntp account.

PC-Alpine does allow you specify a username in the main configuration.
The Linux version assumes that your Linux username has some
relationship to your e-mail address (not unreasonable IMO). But you
can configure as required as I described above.

> What is wrong with you people?

There is nothing wrong with me. I am a user like you, but perhaps
luckier.

> pine has been under development for some 2 decades now.

And abandoned.

> Is true that some accounts don't accept mail unless the sender
> has been 'introduced', like in the address book, first?

?? Please rephrase your question. Are you talking about being unable
to send mail until you log in? I always thought that was a good idea,
but I don't think I have seen that requirement enforced on any mail
server I have used.

- Rob



--

Rob Brown b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o m
G. Michaels Consulting Ltd. (780)438-9343 (voice)
Edmonton (780)437-3367 (FAX)
http://gmcl.com/

[no.to...@gmail.com]

In article <alpine.LFD.2.00.1...@libra.gmcl.internal>, Rob Brown <mylas...@gmcl.com> wrote:

>
> On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 at 13:04 -0000, no.to...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > I'm trying to use linux:alpine to send mail.
> > The mail bounces, because it shows
> > 'From: ro...@neomail.co.za'
> > instead of
> > 'From: <MyID>@neomail.co.za'
>
> Are you logged in as root? That would explain why "root" is inserted
> into the From line.
>

My login-ID to linux is no concern of alpine, which should ask
'what is my' email-ID.

>
> I don't know why your mail would bounce because the From is wrong. I
> routinely change my From address when sending mail with Alpine 2.00
> and the mail always gets to its destination. Let me know who in the
> world you would like to receive mail from, and I will send you some.
>
> Anyway, you have a few options wrt the from address. They are all in
> the Setup Configuration page. Look for:
>

-> S -> look for '???' -> C)onfig many features

>
> Default Composer Headers = To:
> Cc:
> Fcc:
> Subject:
> Customized Headers = From:
> Cc
> Reply-to:
>
> You can add or remove headers from each section and specify default
> values for each header. In your case, I think you should add the From
> header to "Default Composer Headers"
>

> ! That's a zillion lines down in: Setup->Configuration
> after options for eg. <what color soks on 3rd Tues of the month>

>
> and include <MyID>@neomail.co.za
> as the value for the From header.
>
> The customized headers appear if you press <control-R> while in
> composer with the cursor in the header area.
>

That's 3 variables to set-up to get <customized headers>
^R is not valid in ' S)etup -> C)onfiguration'
>

As you have indicated above, both
' Default Composer Headers' and 'Customized Headers'
have at least 3 fields [which can be edited seaparately].
Probable valid actions in S->C are:
'Add value' 'Change Vlaue'
'Add value' prompts "enter the text to be added".
which obviously does NOT show the existing 3 fields,
and allow for any to be changed,
as would be expected.

- snip- let's get the esentials done first

> > Is true that some accounts don't accept mail unless the sender
> > has been 'introduced', like in the address book, first?
>
> ?? Please rephrase your question. Are you talking about being unable
> to send mail until you log in? I always thought that was a good idea,
> but I don't think I have seen that requirement enforced on any mail
> server I have used.
>

IIRC: under Win7|WLM I received a reply for a
mail originating *THERE*. Ie. Win7|WLM knows the remote
address, but when I mail to <WLM> myself, via other mailers
Win7|WLM doesn't show them. Apparently because
those <other mailers> aren't known to Win7|WLM.
This would be a way to restrict received mail to eg.
1. the adr-book
2. those who've be previously sent to.

> - Rob

Thanks,
== Chris Glur.

[cha...@washington.edu]

On Oct 21, 8:04 am, no.top.p...@gmail.com wrote:
> I'm trying to use linux:alpine to send mail.
> The mail bounces, because it shows

>   'From: r...@neomail.co.za'

> instead of
>   'From: <MyID>@neomail.co.za'

This means that you need to learn to set up the From field in messages
that you send.
Use your favorite search engine to learn how to do this, there are
several ways to do this,
either using roles or customized headers.

> Now, I'l check the
> S(etup
>
> While I'm at that mode/menu I'll check the
> <password for news> where it shows:------

I think you misunderstood the item in the menu. When you go to set up,
the item
"Newpassword" is supposed to be interpreted as "New Password", that
is, change
the password for the account that you are using. Since you are using
the root account,
when you invoke that command, you are changing the password for the
root account.
For purposes of this paragraph, the word account refers to the account
that you are
using to run *pine, not to the account that you want to read your mail
from, not to the
account that you use to read news from, it refers to the one you are
actually logged in
and where *pine is running, and since that is root, then that explains
what you see.

Also notice that the words used is "new" and not "news". The word
"new" is the opposite
of "old", the word "news" refers to "usenet", and they are not meant
to be the same. The
word "newpassword" was never meant to refer to usenet.

> Some <config menu> shows a zillion variables, instead of the 3 essential:
>  UserID, User Password, Server-name,
> for each pop, smtp & nntp account.

I think you are expecting that one of the screens of Alpine will allow
you to configure
how you read your e-mail by asking you simple questions, such as name
of servers, etc.
*pine does this when you run it for the first time, but once you have
gone through it, it never
does it again.

When *pine was designed the way that this could be avoided was to have
the system administrator
for the account to set this for all users in the pine.conf file, so
you have to know how to edit that file
in order to set it up for the future, but since you are probably the
only user in your system, you probably
only need to set this up in your own .pinerc file.

The one thing that *pine will not save by default is the password.
That is, unless you are running Windows
or Mac, where special internal systems are used in each system. Most
distributions today also allow you
to save your password in a special file ~/.pine.password or so. You
have to contact your distribution to know
the name of the special file. You can also create your own password
file. In that case you would start alpine
as

alpine -passfile <fully_qualified_filename>

Here <fully_qualified_filename> is the path to an empty file where
*pine will save your passwords.

Having said all of this, I do agree with one of your points. *pine
does not have a modern way to set up accounts,
and this makes it confusing for those that are expecting more "usual"
ways to configure it. The screen with lots of configurations that you
found is daunting for a beginner, and so you will probably want to
explore it little by little to see what you can configure. That is
also not the only configuration screen, there are other screens that
allow you to configure colors, accounts, folder collections, ldap
server, rules, filters, scores and many other options. You should
explore *pine little by little to learn all the power that it has.

I, and many others have written lots of documentation for *pine, I
think all the questions you are asking are already answered in them,
together with the information I am giving you here. Good luck!

--
Eduardo
http://patches.freeiz.com/alpine/