Re: Pointer: Foiling spam and other procmail email-filter tips
Alan Connor
> The gentle readers processing their email on a Unix-system,
> or getting their email through a Unix-based system, might be
> interested in the following information.
>
> Timo's procmail tips and recipes
> http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/info/proctips.html Last-Modified: Mon
> 15-Nov-2004 12:36
>
> 1. I want to filter my email automatically. How do I get
> started with procmail?
>
> 2. Building a testbench. How can I test individual procmail
> recipes?
>
> 3. I know how to make "and" rules in procmail recipes, but how
> do I make "or" rules?
>
> 4. How can one perform multiple shell commands on the action
> line?
>
> 5. How can I find out what the subject of a posting is?
>
> 6. How do I get a copy of the headers of all the incoming
> email into a separate file?
>
> 7. Would you give some further hints for spam foiling recipes?
>
> 8. I have limited disk space. How can I truncate long
> messages?
>
> 9. How can I quickly test if my rules with regular expressions
> match?
>
> 10. How can I detect if the email comes, say, from the .com
> domain?
>
> 11. What alternatives do I have to detect a sender all through
> the various header-fields?
>
> 12. How can I extract a valid address from the Reply-To field?
>
> 13. How can I extract the address of the sender's postmaster?
>
> 14. How can I weed out an inordinately long recipient list?
>
> 15. What is this procmail scoring? How can I utilize it?
>
> 16. How can I test if the subject is empty or if the subject
> field is missing altogether?
>
> 17. How can I modify the "To:" field of the email I received?
>
> 18. I have a long list of spammers in a separate file. How can
> I utilize it?
>
> 19. How do I forward certain messages that I get, and preserve
> myself a copy?
>
> 20. How do I forward certain messages to two different
> addresses?
>
> 21. How do I automatically return certain email messages?
>
> 22. My address has changed. How do I forward a copy to myself
> and tell the sender?
>
> 23. How can I set variable values based on the text in the body
> of the email message?
>
> 24. How can I insert some token text in front of the body of
> incoming email?
>
> 25. Do you have any useful tips for regular expression
> matching?
>
> 26. How can I test if two procmail variables have the same
> contents?
>
> 27. I am having difficulties with "<". How does one match it?
>
> 28. How can I insert identification text to the beginning of
> the subject line?
>
> 29. I tried out your tips, but some of them failed on my
> system. What next?
>
> 30. Is there a cure for the echo and grep blues?
>
> 31. How do I know which of my many procmail recipes has been
> enacted?
>
> 32. How can I detect Korean, Cyrillic, or Chinese to avoid such
> frequent spam?
>
> 33. How can I change the subject line and include part of the
> message body to it?
>
> 34. How can I remove the signature from the incoming email?
>
> 35. What unix manuals relating to procmail should I get?
>
> 36. Is it possible to use procmail to call the vacation
> program?
>
> 37. How can I avoid duplicate messages sent in rapid
> succession?
>
> 38. How can I skip logging a certain, matched recipe?
>
> 39. Could you please solve for me this procmail problem of
> mine?
>
> 40. I liked this material. Do you have anything else on
> programming?
>
> 41. Exercises
>
> 42. Acknowledgements for useful advice and/or feedback
>
> All the best, Timo
>
> --
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> 193.166.120.5 Department of Accounting and Business
> Finance ; University of Vaasa mailto:t...@uwasa.fi
> <http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/> ; FIN-65101, Finland Digital photos
> collection at http://www.uwasa.fi/ktt/lasktoim/photo/
I do not understand why you have the "x-no-archive: yes" header.
Why wouldn't you want your weekly posts to go into the archives?
Or do you drop it when you revise it?
And why do you threaten to track down spammers in your headers?
That's hogwash, and everyone who knows anything about spam
knows that.
AC
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Pass-list --> Block-list --> Challenge-Response
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Sam
> I do not understand why you have the "x-no-archive: yes" header.
> Why wouldn't you want your weekly posts to go into the archives?
There's a lot of things you do not understand, grasshopper. Do not be
discouraged. You will learn all you need to learn in due time.
Frank Slootweg
> On 18 Nov 2004 05:12:15 +0200, Timo Salmi <t...@UWasa.Fi> wrote:
>
> > The gentle readers processing their email on a Unix-system,
> > or getting their email through a Unix-based system, might be
> > interested in the following information.
> >
> > Timo's procmail tips and recipes
> > http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/info/proctips.html Last-Modified: Mon
> > 15-Nov-2004 12:36
[Look, AC, this is how you snip stuff!]
> I do not understand why you have the "x-no-archive: yes" header.
> Why wouldn't you want your weekly posts to go into the archives?
*Because* it is a 'weekly' posting? (I don't think it is really
weekly, more every two weeks, but that's not the point.)
But I don't understand, why you, The Netiquette King, are apparently
unable to snip quotes.
> Or do you drop it when you revise it?
>
> And why do you threaten to track down spammers in your headers?
He doesn't. The header says:
> X-Warning: Junk / bulk email will be auto-filtered, traced and reported.
Tracing and reporting is not the same as "tracking down spammers".
Alan Connor
<th...@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> Alan Connor <zzz...@xxx.yyy> wrote:
>
>> On 18 Nov 2004 05:12:15 +0200, Timo Salmi <t...@UWasa.Fi> wrote:
>>
>
<AC wrote:>
>> I do not understand why you have the "x-no-archive: yes"
>> header. Why wouldn't you want your weekly posts to go into
>> the archives?
>
> *Because* it is a 'weekly' posting? (I don't think it is
> really weekly, more every two weeks, but that's not the point.)
>
> But I don't understand, why you, The Netiquette King, are
> apparently unable to snip quotes.
>
Because I wanted it to go into the archives.
It's always a good idea to _think_ before you post, Frank.
Trust me here.
<snip>
AC
--
Alan Connor
<th...@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
P.S.
Frank? There's really nothing about my article to warrant an
attack like this, so what gives?
The only article that I have posted recently that would piss
anyone off (trolls like Sam excepted, of course) is:
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.net-abuse.email,comp.os.lin
ux.misc
From: Alan Connor <zzz...@xxx.yyy>
Subject: Re: Migrating from mbox to MailDir
Message-ID: <3XVmd.29209$KJ6....@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.n
et>
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 04:55:27 GMT
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3XVmd.29209$KJ6.24211@newsre
ad1.news.pas.earthlink.net
So I guess you must be Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollar
d...@Tesco.NET>
And:
Ben Finney <bignose-h...@and-benfinney-does-too.id.au>
Et al. Doesn't surprise me. You always try to play it straight
with some of your aliases, but tend to slip up now and then.
How's the spamming business "Frank"?
Oh. And stay out of my mailboxes. That's not an option, it is a
done deal.
AC
--
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Timo Salmi
Because I don't want an almost infinite number of replicas in the
news archives. Besides the www page is readily available.
> And why do you threaten to track down spammers in your headers?
Because I direct a portion of the incoming spam to SpamCop.
All the best, Timo
--
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Department of Accounting and Business Finance ; University of Vaasa
mailto:t...@uwasa.fi <http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/> ; FIN-65101, Finland
Timo's procmail tips at http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/info/proctips.html
Andrzej Adam Filip
> Alan Connor <xx...@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>>On 18 Nov 2004 05:12:15 +0200, Timo Salmi <t...@UWasa.Fi> wrote:
>>And why do you threaten to track down spammers in your headers?
>
> Because I direct a portion of the incoming spam to SpamCop.
What is you opinion about periodic postings (e.g. weekly) of extracts of
spamcop reports to news.admin.net-abuse.sightings ?
e.g. TRACKING URL + sending IP + spamwertized URL(s)
P.S. I do not agree with you on many topics but I consider your opinion
valuable even when I do not follow your suggestions :-)
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Alan Connor
> Alan Connor <xx...@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>
>> On 18 Nov 2004 05:12:15 +0200, Timo Salmi <t...@UWasa.Fi> wrote:
>
<snip>
>> And why do you threaten to track down spammers in your
>> headers?
>
> Because I direct a portion of the incoming spam to SpamCop.
>
>
From your headers, a clear and gross exaggeration:
X-Warning: Junk / bulk email will be auto-filtered, traced and reported.
*If* you were sending all of your spam to SpamCop, and *if* they
traced it all, then that would be an accurate statement, if you
reversed "traced and reported".
Then there's the question of the effectiveness of SpamCop in
stopping spammers, and I haven't seen any evidence of this.
What the spammers do is make use of the publicly available
SpamCop data in order to become better spammers. Same for all
of the other similar orgs, and for the dns blacklist.
Personally, I just send it to /dev/null. That way they don't
know what happenned: Where was it blocked and why? Did anyone
even see it?
They have no way of even knowing whether it bounced at the
MTA level, because the vast majority use non-existence email
addresses.
The simple truth is that all or most of the spam fighting orgs
are infested with spammers, and many of their subscribers
are spammers, and many of the most vocal spam-fighters are
spammers. The very same skills and equipment are used by both and
switching roles verbally or in deed is easy as pie.
A lot of the smaller mail providers are spammers too.
AC
--
Pro-Active Spam Fighter
Sam
>
> Personally, I just send it to /dev/null. That way they don't
> know what happenned: Where was it blocked and why? Did anyone
> even see it?
Say >>>>WHAT<<<<<??????
> They have no way of even knowing whether it bounced at the
> MTA level, because the vast majority use non-existence email
> addresses.
WAITJUSTACOTTONPICKIN'MINUTE!!!!!!
I thought, Beavis, that you use an amazing C/R-based system that solves the
spam problem forever, and eliminates world hunger, Alzheimer disease, and
Carrot Top!
Y… y… you mean to tell me that it's not true??? Oh my gosh. Oh my
goodness. All the songs of praise you've been heaping on your amazing
challenge-response filter was not true???
Now, Beavis, will _this_ latest fuckup of yours be what it takes for you to
proclaim, once more, that you don't read anyone's posts here, then finally
leave this newsgroup for at least a month; or continue blubbering in here,
all the while fully knowing that everyone is laughing their asses off at
you?
Your choice.
Timo Salmi
> Timo Salmi wrote:
> > Because I direct a portion of the incoming spam to SpamCop.
> What is you opinion about periodic postings (e.g. weekly) of extracts of
> spamcop reports to news.admin.net-abuse.sightings ?
Thank you for asking. I have not looked into it sufficiently to have
a well-founded, or even any view, at the moment.
> P.S. I do not agree with you on many topics but I consider your opinion
> valuable even when I do not follow your suggestions :-)
Appreciated. Diverging views are a definite richness when presented
in a calm and non-offending manner. Something that is often so
easily forgotton on the Usenet.
All the best, Timo
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Department of Accounting and Business Finance ; University of Vaasa
mailto:t...@uwasa.fi <http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/> ; FIN-65101, Finland
Useful script files and tricks ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/link/tscmd.zip
Timo Salmi
> On 18 Nov 2004 23:03:42 +0200, Timo Salmi <t...@UWasa.Fi> wrote:
> > Because I direct a portion of the incoming spam to SpamCop.
> Then there's the question of the effectiveness of SpamCop in
> stopping spammers, and I haven't seen any evidence of this.
I don't expect any such system truly to make any dent that matters
in the spam flow. What I find useful, though, for updating my
automated /dev/null/ blacklists, is the information provided in
their reports.
Andrzej Adam Filip
> Andrzej Adam Filip <an...@priv.onet.pl> wrote:
>
>>Timo Salmi wrote:
>>
>>>Because I direct a portion of the incoming spam to SpamCop.
>
>
>>What is you opinion about periodic postings (e.g. weekly) of extracts of
>>spamcop reports to news.admin.net-abuse.sightings ?
>
> Thank you for asking. I have not looked into it sufficiently to have
> a well-founded, or even any view, at the moment.
IMHO:
A) Reporting every spam received "in full" by many people would effectively
DDoS news:news.admin.net-abuse.sightings out of existence.
B) Making track of received spam publicly available would help substantiate
some RBL listings (e.g. spamhaus, SPEWS) and help starting some legal actions
against spammers
C) Posting "spamcop extracts" may be a resonable compromise
>[...]
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Frank Slootweg
> On 18 Nov 2004 12:28:56 GMT, Frank Slootweg
> <th...@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Alan Connor <zzz...@xxx.yyy> wrote:
> >
> >> On 18 Nov 2004 05:12:15 +0200, Timo Salmi <t...@UWasa.Fi> wrote:
>
> <AC wrote:>
>
> >> I do not understand why you have the "x-no-archive: yes"
> >> header. Why wouldn't you want your weekly posts to go into
> >> the archives?
> >
> > *Because* it is a 'weekly' posting? (I don't think it is
> > really weekly, more every two weeks, but that's not the point.)
> >
> > But I don't understand, why you, The Netiquette King, are
> > apparently unable to snip quotes.
>
> Because I wanted it to go into the archives.
But what Timo posted, and you quoted, was only the *table of
contents*, not the actual document. So if you had just quoted the top
part, including the URL, as I did, people could find the subject and URL
in the archives and the full document on the web.
[deleted]
Frank Slootweg
> Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.net-abuse.email,comp.os.lin
If you want to troll people over to other groups, then may I suggest
you do it correctly so they might not notice your 'cleverness'?
> On 18 Nov 2004 12:28:56 GMT, Frank Slootweg
> <th...@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Alan Connor <zzz...@xxx.yyy> wrote:
[deleted]
> >> And why do you threaten to track down spammers in your
> >> headers?
> >
> > He doesn't. The header says:
> >
> >> X-Warning: Junk / bulk email will be auto-filtered, traced and
> >> reported.
> >
> > Tracing and reporting is not the same as "tracking down
> > spammers".
> >
> >> That's hogwash, and everyone who knows anything about spam
> >> knows that.
>
> P.S.
>
> Frank? There's really nothing about my article to warrant an
> attack like this, so what gives?
It wasn't an attack, it was a response to the stuff I quoted. The main
reason to respond was the part which I re-quoted above. *If* there was
"an attack" it was *your* attack on Timo. (And of course your attack on
me, i.e. the parent of this article.)
[More usual non-sense deleted.]
Alan Connor
>
<snip>
The response to this post from "Timo Salmi" is a forgery.
Body deleted unread from local cache.
AC
Sam
> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:22:26 GMT, Alan Connor <zzz...@xxx.yyy> wrote:
>>
>
> <snip>
>
>
>
> The response to this post from "Timo Salmi" is a forgery.
No it's not, Beavis.
Just because Timo Salmi, at least in this instance, is essentially calling
you a dumbass doesn't mean that the post is forgery. It means that he, at
least in this instace, is calling you a dumbass.
> Body deleted unread from local cache.
Of course not, Beavis. You don't have anything that can be technically
described as a "local cache". You barely know how to use slrn.
Here are the headers from the post in question:
Path: ...!nntp.giganews.com!uio.no!newsfeed1.funet.fi!newsfeeds.funet.fi!news.uwasa.fi! not-for-mail
From: t...@UWasa.Fi (Timo Salmi)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Pointer: Foiling spam and other procmail email-filter tips
Date: 19 Nov 2004 10:47:32 +0200
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Lines: 19
Message-ID: <cnkbv4$d...@poiju.uwasa.fi>
References: <ts200411180...@loisto.uwasa.fi>
<wNUmd.1831$Tq6....@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>
<cnj2ne$i...@poiju.uwasa.fi>
<Cg9nd.29612$KJ6....@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>
NNTP-Posting-Host: poiju.uwasa.fi
X-Trace: haavi.uwasa.fi 1100854260 6740 193.166.122.10 (19 Nov 2004 08:51:00 GMT)
X-Complaints-To: ab...@uwasa.fi
NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 08:51:00 +0000 (UTC)
Of course, these headers look exactly like the headers from all other of
TS's posts.
Sorry, Beavis, but you know about Usenet even less than you know about
E-mail.
Another day, another Beavis kookfart…
Timo Salmi
> The response to this post from "Timo Salmi" is a forgery.
http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/verify.html
All the best, Timo
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Alan Connor
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> [...]
*Headers from Timo Salmi postings*:
NNTP-Posting-Host: majakka.uwasa.fi
X-Trace: haavi.uwasa.fi 1100747736 30053 193.166.122.16
(18 Nov 2004 03:15:36 GMT)
X-Complaints-To: ab...@uwasa.fi
*Headers from Faked Timo Salmi posting*:
NNTP-Posting-Host: 218.154.214.8
X-Trace: news1.kornet.net 1100944217 12342 218.154.214.8
(20 Nov 2004 09:50:17 GMT)
X-Complaints-To: use...@feeder.kornet.net
218.154.214.8 is an open proxy in Republic of Korea.
P.S.
IMHO postings from known open proxies should be canceled by some cancel bot.
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Frank Slootweg
> (Faked) Timo Salmi wrote:
> > [...]
>
> *Headers from Timo Salmi postings*:
>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: majakka.uwasa.fi
> X-Trace: haavi.uwasa.fi 1100747736 30053 193.166.122.16
> (18 Nov 2004 03:15:36 GMT)
> X-Complaints-To: ab...@uwasa.fi
>
> *Headers from Faked Timo Salmi posting*:
>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 218.154.214.8
> X-Trace: news1.kornet.net 1100944217 12342 218.154.214.8
> (20 Nov 2004 09:50:17 GMT)
> X-Complaints-To: use...@feeder.kornet.net
Care to post the Message-ID: of the 'faked' posting? AC and you talk
about a fake, but (Sam and) I don't see any.
> 218.154.214.8 is an open proxy in Republic of Korea.
>
> P.S.
> IMHO postings from known open proxies should be canceled by some cancel bot.
To *me*, it looks like they *are*, because I don't see them! :-)
Andrzej Adam Filip
> "Andrzej wrote:
>
>>(Faked) Timo Salmi wrote:
>>
>>>[...]
>>
>>*Headers from Timo Salmi postings*:
>>
>>NNTP-Posting-Host: majakka.uwasa.fi
>>X-Trace: haavi.uwasa.fi 1100747736 30053 193.166.122.16
>> (18 Nov 2004 03:15:36 GMT)
>>X-Complaints-To: ab...@uwasa.fi
>>
>>*Headers from Faked Timo Salmi posting*:
>>
>>NNTP-Posting-Host: 218.154.214.8
>>X-Trace: news1.kornet.net 1100944217 12342 218.154.214.8
>> (20 Nov 2004 09:50:17 GMT)
>>X-Complaints-To: use...@feeder.kornet.net
>
>
> Care to post the Message-ID: of the 'faked' posting? AC and you talk
> about a fake, but (Sam and) I don't see any.
Message-ID: <jb051486385...@loisto.uwasa.fi>
The message-id of the faked post was also listed at the end of "References:"
header in my post.
I am ready to send a copy of the faked post via email upon request.
>>218.154.214.8 is an open proxy in Republic of Korea.
>>
>>P.S.
>>IMHO postings from known open proxies should be canceled by some cancel bot.
>
> To *me*, it looks like they *are*, because I don't see them! :-)
It is possible (and likely) but there may be:
1) variable per news server delay between open proxy post and cancel
[the open proxy post will be visible for "some time"]
2) some news serwer may ignore cancel messages issued by some cancel bots.
AFAIR some my posts have been a few years ago canceled (and "resurected" by
another bot).
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Frank Slootweg
> Frank Slootweg wrote:
[deleted]
> > Care to post the Message-ID: of the 'faked' posting? AC and you talk
> > about a fake, but (Sam and) I don't see any.
>
> Message-ID: <jb051486385...@loisto.uwasa.fi>
>
> The message-id of the faked post was also listed at the end of "References:"
> header in my post.
Oops! Sorry for missing the 'obvious'.
Anyway, I had not received that post yet. I did receive it just before
your response. From the text it is obvious that it is a fake, but the
headers indeed confirm that. Not a very good fake because the headers
are splattered with kornet.net. These kiddies! When will they learn!?
[deleted]
Andrzej Adam Filip
Most news readers display only headers that were "faked properly".
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*Random Epigram* :
A little help is better than a lot of pity.
-- Celtic Proverb
Frank Slootweg
> Frank Slootweg wrote:
[deleted]
> > your response. From the text it is obvious that it is a fake, but the
> > headers indeed confirm that. Not a very good fake because the headers
> > are splattered with kornet.net. These kiddies! When will they learn!?
>
Yes, by *default*, but most newsreaders, 'even' Microsoft's Outlook
Express, can display all headers on request.
Sam
> (Faked) Timo Salmi wrote:
>> [...]
>
> *Headers from Timo Salmi postings*:
>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: majakka.uwasa.fi
> X-Trace: haavi.uwasa.fi 1100747736 30053 193.166.122.16
> (18 Nov 2004 03:15:36 GMT)
> X-Complaints-To: ab...@uwasa.fi
>
> *Headers from Faked Timo Salmi posting*:
>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 218.154.214.8
> X-Trace: news1.kornet.net 1100944217 12342 218.154.214.8
> (20 Nov 2004 09:50:17 GMT)
> X-Complaints-To: use...@feeder.kornet.net
>
>
> 218.154.214.8 is an open proxy in Republic of Korea.
Yup.
Pay attention, Beavis! That's how _real_ forgeries look like, not just the
ones that explain, in detail, what a dumbass you are.
Alan Connor
>
>
> Alan Connor <xx...@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>> The response to this post from "Timo Salmi" is a forgery.
>
> http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/verify.html
>
> All the best, Timo
>
I forgot! :-)
Your response to the forgery cracked me up.
Barbarian meets a Civilized Man.
AC
Frank Slootweg
* "1984", author George Orwell, 1949, ISBN 0-679-41739-7
*
* Hardly a week passed in which the Times did not carry a paragraph
* describing how some eavesdropping little sneak --- 'child hero' was
* the phrase generally used --- had overheard some compromising remark
* and denounced his parents to the Thought Police.
# "The Emperor Wears No Clothes", by Jack Herer, 1992, ISBN 1-878125-00-1
#
# The Police-taught DARE program encourages students to turn in
# friends and family by becoming a police informant.
: Real life: a child in school answers the friendly and inquiring police
: officer teaching about drug dangers that yes their parents have some
: of the displayed paraphernalia.
:
: A search warrant is issued, the parents are arrested, and
: the child is put into custody of Child Welfare workers.
# "The Feds Under Our Beds", By James Bovard, The New York Times, 9/6/1995
#
# The Justice Department confiscated the home of an elderly Cuban-American
# couple in Miami after the couple was arrested for playing host to a weekly
# poker game for family and friends.
* "Nynex Mistake Brings Scholarship Offer", NYT, 4/26/1995
*
* Walter Ray Hill, 18, was arrested and jailed for two days based solely on
* his phone number being used for a hoax bomb threat.
*
* Nynex eventually realized one of its employees transposed a number when
* tracing the call. [Ever see Terry Gilliam's movie Brazil?]
*
*
Sam
access. That ought to stop pornography: identify each and every user.
# "The Great Firewall of China", by Geremie R. Barme & Sang Ye, Wired, 6/97
#
# Xia Hong, China InfoHighway's PR man: "The Internet has been an important
# technical innovator, but we need to add another element, and that is
# control. The new generation of information superhighway needs a traffic
# control center. It needs highway patrols; USERS WILL REQUIRE DRIVER'S
# LICENSES. THESE ARE THE BASIC REQUIREMENTS FOR ANY CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT."
In dissenting on the unconstitutionality of the CDA, which attempted to censor
the Internet, Supreme Court Justice O'Connor, together with the Chief Justice,
said CDA will be legal as soon as:
"it becomes technologically feasible...to check a person's [Internet]
driver's license...the prospects for the eventual zoning of the Internet
appear promising..."
My WebTV has a slot for reading a smart card!
Well, noone would ever put up with a Universal Biometric Card in the U.S.!
Right?
* Recent agreements announced by Sandia include contracts for the
* issuance of national ID cards for the People's Republic of China over
* the next five years; approximately 10 million fraud-resistant alien ID
* cards for the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service over
* the next three years; 5 million driving licenses for the State of
* Alabama and 7.5 million for the State of New South Wales, Australia.
5 million driving licenses for the State of Alabama!!!
What did the announcement look like?
* Nove
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: * to the greatest listening post in the world.
: *
: * The NSA is a giant vacuum cleaner. It sucks in every form of
: * electronic communication. from telephone calls to telegrams,
: * across the United States. The presence of British personnel
: * is essential for the American wiretappers to claim plausible
: * deniability.
: *
: * Here is how the game is played. The British liaison officer at
: * Fort Meade types the target list of "suspects" into the American
: * computer. The NSA sorts through its wiretaps and gives the
: * British officer the recording of any American citizen he wants.
: *
: * Since it is technically a *British* target of surveillance, no
: * *American* search warrant is necessary. The British officer then
: * simply hands the results over to his American liaison officer.
: *
: * Of course, the Americans provide the same service to the British
: * in return. All international and domestic telephone calls in Great
: * Britain are run through the NSA's station in the British Government
: * Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) at Menwith Hill, which allows
: * the American liaison officer to spy on any British citizen without
: * a warrant.
: *
: * According to our sources, this duplicitous, reciprocal arrangement
: * disguises the most massive, and illegal, domestic espionage apparatus
: * in the w
Frank Slootweg
*
* The abduction outraged the Mexican government.
*
* When the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the legality of the kidnapping in
* June 1992, Mexico temporarily suspended its participation in joint
* anti-narcotics operations with the United States.
*
* Then Mexico adopted its Mexicanization policy a year later [keep American
* drug enforcement out of Mexico], and the State Department said that the
* abduction was directly to blame for Mexico's increased concerns about
* national sovereignty.
Of course, that's no reason not to check our U.S. borders.
We never learn:
# "CIA Suspect's Prosperous Clan Reacts Angrily to Arrest in Pakistan"
# By Kenneth J. Cooper, The Washington Post, June 22, 1997
..combined with...
# "Spiriting Off Fugitive By U.S. Irks Pakistanis"
# By John F. Burns, The New York Times, June 23, 1997
#
# Mir Aimal Kansi, who was wanted for killing two CIA employees and wounding
# three others in an attack outside their Langley headquarters, was
# transported from Pakistan within hours of his arrest.
#
# Leaders of minor political parties in the capital have taken up the i
Sam
to put the Chilean economy under cybernetic control.
As far as I know, this is the only documented instance of someone
attempting this; deploying cybernetic controls nationwide.
* "Brain of the Firm", Stafford Beer, 1986, ISBN 0 471 27687 1
*
* All of this involved a massive and continuing exercise in (what I should
* call, in the original World War II sense) operational research. That is
* exactly what it was: research by highly qualified interdisciplinary teams,
* into operations, namely production companies, with the prospect of
* discovering models and sets of measures.
*
* We needed a group who understood the operational research techniques of
* data capture that were needed for project Cybersyn. As a Briton I knew
* whom I wanted --- they were a group of consultants within the London
* branch of the international firm of Arthur Anderson and Co.
*
* Project Cybercyn objective: To install a preliminary system of information
* and regulation for the industrial economy that will demonstrate the main
* features of cybernetic management and begin to help in the task of
Frank Slootweg
* furtherance of a crime.
* No. Yes. [105]
*
* Gov't access to keys by subpoena
* without notice and or judicial approval
* Yes. Yes. [106]
*
* Foreign gov't access to keys
* Yes. Yes. [106]
*
* Federal procurements require key
* recovery.
* No. Yes. [201-207]
*
* Federal funding (Internet II,
* universities, etc.) requires use of key
* recovery.
* No. Yes. [201-207]
*
* "Safe harbor" liability protections for
* licensed CA's and recovery agents
* Yes. Yes. [501-505] Less extensive
* than Administration draft.
*
* Requires Pres. to negotiate for
* international key recovery.
* No. Yes. [Title 6]
*
* New Commerce Dept. enforcement
* powers
* No. Yes. [701-702]
*
* Information Security Board
* No. Yes. [801]
*
* Waiver of any provision of Act by
* Executive Order.
* No. Yes [901]
*
*
* *The Encrypted Data Security Act, draft dated April 29
Frank Slootweg
save a copy of the picture. They didn't mean to become vile heinous
doomed-to-burn-in-hell creatures; it's just one of those things where people
make the wrong decisions when encountering something in the privacy of
their own home.
As the government monitors the Net closer, they will spot tens of
thousands of these people. They've already arrested hundreds of them.
* FBI sting nets over 200 arrests for child pornography
* 6/97 stat: 94 convictions, 104 "pending" convictions
It's not hard to spot them, and may I point out that it happens despite
free uncrackable encryption (PGP) being available worldwide for years.
Yeah, I know, it's heresy to try and suggest there's a category called
"child pornography light". Here are some sample cases of the broad base
of people involved:
* The New York Times, 3/6/97
* Minister Gets Probation in Pornography Case
*
* A Baptist minister who copied child pornography images off the
* Internet received three years' probation in exchange for his
* guilty plea to a reduced charge.
*
* He must pay a $1,000 fine, forfeit his home computer, not have
* any unsupervised contact with children under 17 and undergo
* counseling.
*
* The minister, 47, was arrested in
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*Random Epigram* :
Standards are different for all things, so the standard set by man is by
no means the only 'certain' standard. If you mistake what is relative for
something certain, you have strayed far from the ultimate truth.
-- Chuang Tzu
Andrzej Adam Filip
Drum Drum Drum
War War War War War War War War War War War War War War War
LAW ENFORCEMENT IS IN UNANIMOUS AGREEMENT THAT THE WIDESPREAD USE OF
ROBUST NON-KEY RECOVERY ENCRYPTION ULTIMATELY WILL DEVASTATE OUR ABILITY
TO FIGHT CRIME AND PREVENT TERRORISM.
UNCRACKABLE ENCRYPTION WILL ALLOW DRUG LORDS, TERRORISTS, AND EVEN
VIOLENT GANGS [Secret Service to Ed Cummings: "We are the biggest
gang in town"] TO COMMUNICATE WITH IMPUNITY. OTHER THAN SOME KIND
OF KEY RECOVERY SYSTEM, THERE IS NO TECHNICAL SOLUTION.
As if real terrorists or drug lords would use Key Recovery crypto!
Furthermore, Freeh is arguing BOTH SIDES of the issue when he complains
"DRUG LORDS ARE NOW SUPPORTED BY THE BEST TECHNOLOGY MONEY CAN BUY", AND
THEN SAYS we need Key Recovery so we can read their traffic!
Even the NSA is talking Doublethink at us:
* NYT: Stuart A. Baker, General Counsel for the NSA, explained why crooks
* and terrorists who are smart enough to use data encryption would be stupid
* enough to choose the U.S. Government's compromised data encryption
* standard:
*
* "You shouldn't overestimate the I.Q. of crooks."
..which is also apparently their view of the American public.
WE ARE NOW AT AN HISTORICAL CROSSROAD ON THE ENCRYPTION ISSUE.
IF PUBLIC POLICY MAKERS ACT WISELY, THE SAFETY OF ALL AMERICANS WILL
BE ENHANCED FOR DECADES TO COME.
[1984 Newspeak:] BUT IF NARROW INTERESTS PREVAIL, LAW ENFORCEMENT WILL
BE UNABLE TO PROVIDE THE LEVEL OF PROTECTION THAT PEOPLE IN A DEMOCRACY
PROPERLY EXPECT AND DESERVE. ANY SOLUTION THAT IGNORES THE PUBLIC SAFETY
AND NATIONAL SECURITY CONCERNS RISK GRAVE HARM TO BOTH.
And what was a critical public safety and n
Sam
mainly publicly available material, here is my documentation of:
o Part 1: Massive Domestic Spying via NSA ECHELON
This is highly detailed documentation of NSA spying.
This spying is illegal, massive, and domestic.
The documentation is comprehensive, especially since
it is now brought together in this one section.
o Part 2: On Monitoring and Being Monitored
In this section, I describe the capabilities of ECHELON
keyword monitoring. A detailed example --- how to use
keywords to pick out conversations of interest --- is given.
I also put forth a case of what it means to be monitored
heavily by the government.
o Part 3: 1984 Means a Constant State of War
The politics of war, and the Orwellian tactics employed by
by the U.S. Government to control its citizens.
o Part 4: Why unlimited cryptography must be legislated NOW
In additional to the reasons given in the previous sections,
the 'debate' reasons constantly given by the government
are reviewed and debunked. And our nation's experts say it
will hurt security. The GAO says the same thing.
o Part 5: There is no part five.
o Part 6: Louis Freeh & The Creeping Police State
Basically, Louis Freeh is the anti-Christ leading us to Hell.
National ID cards are effectively being implemented without
needing to issue cards. The U.S. Government is trying to
monitor all phone calls and banking transactions, and have
Sam
simultaneously nineteen other U.S. communication hubs.
]
* "Project L.U.C.I.D.", continued...
*
* Fort Meade is the hub of an information gathering octopus whose tentacles
* reach out to the four corners of the earth.
*
* The principal means of communicating this information is by the National
* Aeronautical and Space Administration (NASA) satellite communications
* system, which most people erroneously think exists primarily for the
* space program.
*
* It does not.
*
* The satellites, indeed NASA and the entire American Space Program, exist
* largely to supply the NSA with its telecommunications system. That is why
* the bulk of its operations are officially declared 'secret'. This
* ultimate 'Big Brother' machine even has an official name 'Project
* Platform'.
[
"The Puzzle Palace": all these computer systems are linked together
under Project Platform. The first Cray went to the NSA. p138
]
* Although the NSA was officially formed in 1952, it grew out of an
* International Agreement signed in 1947. Officially termed the "UKUSA
* PACT," this was an agreement between Britain, the U.S.A., Canada, New
* Zealand, Australia and the NATO countries.
*
* The UKUSA PACT was, quite simply and bluntly, an agreement between these
* countries to collect and collate information on their respective citizens
* and to share this information with each other and pass on to Fort Meade.
*
* On March 9th 1977, the Leader of the Opposition, Mr. Bill Hayden, asked
* "questions on notice" on the subject. On April 19, Prime Minister Malcom
* Fraser, declined to answer the
Frank Slootweg
possible for GCHQ to monitor the necessary domestic circuits
and pass them on to the NSA through the UKUSA Agreement, giving them
impunity to target and watch-list Americans.
* * * * * * * * * *
*** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** ***
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* * * * * * * * * *
* * * * * * * * * *
P475: Three decades after its creation, the NSA is still without a formal
charter. Instead, there is a super hush-hush surveillance court that is
virtually impotent; the FISA, which has enough loopholes and exceptions to
render it nearly useless; and an executive order that was designed more to
protect the intelligence community from citizens than citizens from the
agencies. In addition, because it is an executive order, it can be changed
at any time at the whim of a President, without so much as a nod toward
Congress.
P471: On January 24, 1978, President Jimmy Carter issued an executive order
imposing detailed restrictions on the nation's intelligence community. The
order was designed to prevent the long list of abuses of the 1960s and 1970s.
But four years later President Ronald Reagan scrapped the Carter order and
broadened considerably the power of the spy agencies to operate domestically.
P473: Under the Reagan executive order, the NSA can now, apparently, be
authorized to lend its full support - analysts as well as computers - to
"any department or agency" in the federal government and, "when lives are
endangered," even to local police departments.
[ Yea billions of dollars a year military SIGINT support technology...
oh so invisible in its great mass.
A total blurri
Andrzej Adam Filip
the government gave for the transponder was that both the doctor
# and patient might lose track of what kind of breast implant was installed,
# and so if a certain model had a recall, they could tell what was installed.
#
#
# The American Textile Partnership, a research consortium linked to the U.S.
# Department of Energy, is sponsoring a research called "Embedded Electronic
# Fingerprint" to develop a transponder the size of a grain of wheat that
# could be attached to a garment until the owner threw it out.
#
# Heretofor, this application has been considered only for security purposes.
#
# The definition of "security", according to the textile industry magazine
# 'Bobbin', has been expanded to include "anti-counterfeit" tracking after
# purchase. [What???]
#
# Could a machine-readable tag on a person's clothing serve many of the same
# tracking purposes an one embedded in the body?
----
Sure, government can give debate reasons for requiring fingerprinting
for driver's licenses...
But it is still a violation of the minimization requirement of the Privacy
Act of 1974.
Biometric data on citizens is FAR BEYOND any reason government can give.
Notice how no citizens in any state ever got to vote on such an important
escalation of personal data collection by the government.
Indeed, it seems to be accomplished in the quietest way possible, giving
citizens the least amount of opportunity to choose their fate.
Odd, since tax-payer paid-for government services is what gives them the power.
But elected representatives will do, you say?
Did you hear any of them mention it during campaigning?
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who bought an airplane ticket. Who lost
* his hard-earned money to the cops." After a long legal battle and a lot of
* publicity, Jones got his money back.
* [snip]
*
* Paolo Alvarez: "I believe in God, but the government's seizure of all my
* savings was really horrible. I felt trapped and I almost flipped out."
*
* Alvarez was a landscape contractor, cautious and frugal, who saved his
* money. Several years ago, however, Alvarez began listening to the
* speeches of Ross Perot, especially Perot's exaggerated [beat the drum
* of fear] warnings that the nation's savings and loan institutions
* were about to collapse. As a reult of mounting anxiety generated by
* the Texas businessman, Alvarez decided to move the nest egg from his
* savings and loan.
*
* He placed some of the money in a regular bank and hid the balance in
* small caches around the house.
*
* When the sky did not fall, when Ross Perot's predictions did not come
* true, Alvarez began slowly moving the cash in his house back into a
* bank. Partly because of his fear of a possible robbery, he chose to
* redeposit his money in relatively small amounts, $5000 or so at a time.
*
* While Alvarez had come to know Perot's gloomy predictions were off the
* mark, he did not know that the federal international government, in its
* hysteria about drugs, had persuaded Congress to greatly expand the
* government's civi
Frank Slootweg
# agencies access to the fingerprint records of welfare recipients.
#
# "You wouldn't want any criminals getting welfare."
So, we'll fingerprint welfare recipients like criminals? Instead of asking
for utility bills and leases in their name to prove residency?
Other states are following suit...Pennsylvania, Florida...
* "A Test for Welfare Fraud Is Expanded to Families"
* By Esther B. Fein, The New York Times, 11/11/95
*
* New York State is sharply increasing the number of people it electronically
* fingerprints to detect welfare fraud past the 285,000 single adult program
* to more than 453,000 recipients of Aid to Families with Dependent Children.
*
* Of the 220,193 people electronically fingerprinted as of Nov. 9, only 146
* were found to have registered for duplicate benefits. New York State
* officials said they didn't expect to find many cases of fraud. [What???]
* "We are just using a new tool to help comply with Federal regulations
* prohibiting us from giving duplicate benefits."
*
* The program is costing the state $10 million a year.
One big evil eye, done with biometrics...control FAR BEYOND anything that
could be implemented with a social security number.
It's for our best inte
Frank Slootweg
* totalitarian state, observed that very few people are awake and alert
* to the machinations and manipulations of the controllers. Thus, the
* people, as a whole, fall victim to a colossal conspiracy out of ignorance
* and because of apathy and denial of reality:
*
* The people could be made to accept the most flagrant violations of
* reality, because they never fully grasped the enormity of what was
* demanded of them, and were not sufficiently interested in public
* events to notice what was happening.
[
By Walter Cronkite: "Orwell's '1984'---Nearing?", NYT, June 5 1983
In our world, where a Vietnam village can be destroyed so it can be
saved; where the President names the latest thing in nuclear missiles
"Peacekeeper"---in such a world, can the Orwellian vision be very far
away?
Big Brother's ears have plugs in them right now (or they are, by law,
supposed to), at least on the domestic telephone and cable traffic.
But the National Security Agency's ability to monitor microwave
transmissions, to scoop out of the air VAST numbers of communications,
including telephone conversations, store them in computers, play them
back later,
Sam
ISBN 0 471 27687 1
*
* All of this involved a massive and continuing exercise in (what I should
* call, in the original World War II sense) operational research. That is
* exactly what it was: research by highly qualified interdisciplinary teams,
* into operations, namely production companies, with the prospect of
* discovering models and sets of measures.
*
* We needed a group who understood the operational research techniques of
* data capture that were needed for project Cybersyn. As a Briton I knew
* whom I wanted --- they were a group of consultants within the London
* branch of the international firm of Arthur Anderson and Co.
*
* Project Cybercyn objective: To install a preliminary system of information
* and regulation for the industrial economy that will demonstrate the main
* features of cybernetic management and begin to help in the task of actual
* decision-making by March 1st 1972.
Under the circumstances of a nationalized economy, it was a positive thing.
It was a massive application of cybernetic feedback to help each industry
and each factory keep track of itself through a central location. All
communications flowed through the central location.
This is what Stafford Beer refers to as 'Brain of the Firm'. It was located
in Santiago, Chile.
For NSA, it is Fort Meade in Maryland, USA.
* "Brain of the Firm", Stafford Beer, 1986, ISBN 0 471 27687 1
*
* Project Cybercyn consisted of four major tools:
*
* Cybernet, a national netw
Sam
* information structures the balance. The result is the sun, moon and
* stars...
We have a lot of different kinds of cells in our bodies; hair, bone, eye,
brain, toenail, teeth, lung, skin... And they all started from ONE CELL.
And they all knew where to go and which type to become. And how to operate
together in a large complex system.
A single cell, in its DNA strands, holds a MASSIVE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION.
Every cell in our body is structured by information, the DNA helix.
This information structuring is why we don't just splash to the
ground in a muddy puddle of our constituent chemicals.
We are matter structured by information.
"We are starshine" ---Woodstock
----
Whew!
Cybernetics is VERY heavy-duty stuff.
It can yield the ULTIMATE in control.
It can be applied to controlling people in a society.
Cybernetic control of society.
The 'arousal filter' Stafford Beer and his cyberneticians
set up was effectively keyword monitoring of traffic.
When you use keywords to either select or exclude traffic, each step
is a 'filter' step. If you make it past all the filters, a human then
reviews the results to see if it calls for action. "arousa
Frank Slootweg
at the Ministerial
# meeting in Copenhagen'
[
The whole world, not just EU...Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Hong Kong...
]
# 4) hereby decides that informal talks with the above-named countries may
# be envisaged: to that end the Presidency and the expert group might,
# for example, organize a meeting with those third countries to exchange
# information.
*
*
* Further memorandums state:
*
* There is a need to introduce international interception standards
* and "norms" for the telecommunications industry for carrying out
* interception orders in order to fight organized crime and for the
* protection of national security.
*
* Interception of telecommunications should reach all the way down
* to the design stage of the equipment.
*
* The next generation of satellite-based telecommunications systems
* should be able to "tag" each individual subscriber in view of a
* possibly necessary surveillance activity. All the new systems have
* to have the capability to place all individuals under surveillance.
*
HA Unfortunately, initial contacts with various consortia...has met with
HA the most diverse reactions, ranging from great willingness to
HA cooperate on the one hand, to an almost total refusal even to discuss
HA the question.
*
* It is very urgent for governments and/or legislative institutions to
* make the new consortia aware of their duties. The government will
* also have to create new regulations for international cooperation
* so that the necessary surveilla
Frank Slootweg
Conclusions
-----------
We have been subject to an imperfect feedback loop form of government
for several decades now. Politicians constantly beating the drums of
war ('1984': The Song of Hate), causing the erroneous public perception
crime is out of control.
Anyone remember the scare ads that got crooked Nixon elected over Humphrey?
This constant 1984 state of war has caused massive damage to our country.
Picture what life would be like without the constant hysteria.
If you can. It's been so long.
You are sitting back on your porch, sipping a cold one, smoking a warm
one, whatever.
Relaxed, calm, at peace.
You home was still your castle.
Peace.
Then, during one single day in Congress:
o All Americans must allow companies to withdraw fluids from their bodies
to check for drugs. Nevermind that that would be a dire last resort and
that dignified non-invasive techniques are available for safety-related
jobs.
o Libraries are checked to see if you are looking at
the wrong kind of books. Read the wrong book and
the government will call you a 'potential terrorist'
in court.
o Studies on the feasibility of monitoring all bank
transactions in real-time are ordered. ("So we can
compute FDIC insurance requirements in real-time")
Recommendation to proceed is given by law enforcement.
o Loss of rights if you are receiving government benefits:
- public housing ordered searched without warrants by the
president [A DIRECT VIOLATION OF OUR CONSTITUTION!]
- suspicionless searches of cars (NJ, for example)
- no California driver's license without fingerprinting,
eventually all U.S. citizens are fingerpr
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through everyone ever connecting to CISPES - no matter how
distant - to achieve massive domestic spying for political purposes.
To crush peaceful lawful political protest.
In America.
For the President.
And they did it WITHOUT getting 1,330 FISA warrants.
Question: How do you spy on 1,330 domestic groups?
Answer: Electronically, using an existing domestic surveillance network.
Just push the button marked 'monitor'.
Your phone calls, bank transactions, credit card usage, health/
credit/utility/law-enforcement/TRW/IRS records, your whole life.
One big evil eye of Mordor.
The Russian State we were told to fear.
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No wonder there are militias.
It gets worse.
Much worse.
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Wild Conspiracy Theory
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This is an expanded version of a posting I made promoting unregulated
(free from government-has-the-key) cryptography.
Attorney John Loftus is the author of four histories of intelligence
operations. As a former prosecutor with the U.S. Justice Department's
Nazi-hunting unit, he had unprecedented access to top-secret CIA and
NATO archives. Mark Aarons is an investigative reporter and author of
several books on intelligence related issues.
One day
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we must see to it that this agency and all agencies that possess this
technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that
we never cross over that abyss.
That is the abyss from which there is no return.
*** end of 'Puzzle Palace' excerpts.
Wow.
No recap necessary.
I'm feeling a bit sick at this point, how about you?
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Those of you who supported any version of the FBI/NSA Digital Telephony Act
sold us down the river, making use of this Orwellian Military technology
fully legal domestically for the first time.
The descent into the abyss, from which there is no return.
: * "Above the Law", by David Burnham, ISBN 0-684-80699-1, 1996
: *
: * [ Al Bayse was assistant director of the FBI's Technical Services
: * Division, in charge of spending more than half a billion dollars
: * for research, development and computer operations. ]
: *
: * "Sure", said Al Bayse of the FBI, "I believe there is an absolute
: * right to privacy. But that doesn't mean you have the right to break
: * the law in a serious way. Any private conversation that doesn't
: * involve criminality should be private"
: *
: * In other words, as the debate was framed by Bayse, the right to
: * privacy is at least partly contingent on a determination by an FBI
: * agent or clerk that the conversations they already intercepted and
: * understood do not involve a crime.
Do you want to live in a real live Big Brother world?
It is not at all about trying to keep up with technology in order to wiretap.
The phone companies are already able and authorized to listen in on any
line at any time, to check the integrity of the network.
I've heard some funny st
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> States to stand trial.
> *
> * The abduction outraged the Mexican government.
> *
> * When the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the legality of the kidnapping in
> * June 1992, Mexico temporarily suspended its participation in joint
> * anti-narcotics operations with the United States.
> *
> * Then Mexico adopted its Mexicanization policy a year later [keep American
> * drug enforcement out of Mexico], and the State Department said that the
> * abduction was directly to blame for Mexico's increased concerns about
> * national sovereignty.
>
> Of course, that's no reason not to check our U.S. borders.
Absolutely!
Much is made of our undefended border with the US. It definitely
needs to be secured.