using Exchange as IMAP client
Phalanx
server - i think.
the result i am trying to accomplish is using OWA to connect to Exchange and
be able to see my IMAP mail.
any thoughts?
Sam
There's absolutely no such thing as "IMAP mail", when it comes to Exchange.
Microsoft Exchange is a proprietary mail server, that can optionally babble
something that vaguely resembles IMAP.
I think what you're trying to say is that you want to take your IMAP
mailbox, and sync its contents to your Exchange mailbox. Unfortunately,
Microsoft is generally rather hostile towards open Internet standards, such
as IMAP, and usually goes out of its way to prevent any kind of
interoperability, on that level. Consequently, there's a dearth of free
tools and scripts, when it comes MS Exchange. There are plenty of tools and
scripts out there that will let you do anything imaginable, with a commodity
IMAP or a POP3 mail server, but the same cannot be said true for MS
Exchange.
The only thing that comes to mind are a couple of "IMAP copy" scripts, that
you can find here and there, that blindly copy the contents of one IMAP
mailbox to another. But those scripts' purpose is something more like
complete migration of one mailbox to another, rather than periodical
syncing, and they cannot be used for that purpose.
There's simply nothing of that kind for the simple reason that there's no
need for "syncing", when it comes to free software and open standards, since
you simply use whatever mail client you like, with any mail server. The end.
The best you can hope for is, perhaps, find some commercial software that
might be able to do something like that.
Bill Kearney
> the result i am trying to accomplish is using OWA to connect to Exchange
> and
> be able to see my IMAP mail.
what? that makes no sense.
please explain what you're trying to do in more detail.
NM Public
It makes sense to me. I think he's trying to use OWA (Outlook Web
Access) as a general IMAP client, i.e. to be able to access and
manage messages on *any* IMAP server. I'd like to be able to do
that with Google's Gmail web-based client. There are examples of
web-based mail clients that can access any IMAP server, e.g.
WebAlpine, the mail2web.com web-based mail client, and the
clients that I list here:
<http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/imap/isps/#clientsServer>
As more and more people start to appreciate IMAP, we're going to
see lots of requests for mail browsers that act like web
browsers, i.e.: We should be able to use any mail browser to
access any mail store in the same way that we can use any web
browser to access any web page.
The mail clients that don't satisfy that desire will either
change or die.
Nancy
still dreaming of a standards-based Internet without any lock
in
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Phalanx
what i am trying to accomplish is using OWA to access Exchange when out of
the office.
while in the office, i use outlook to connecte to Exchange AND to connect to
an IMAP server - no problem.
when using OWA, i can't see the IMAP as it is only sync'd thru outlook. i'd
like to load something on Exchange to sync the IMAP account into my Exchange
account - hence being able to see both thru OWA
"NM Public" <ago...@nm.deflexion.com> wrote in message
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Sam
> yes, and no.
>
> what i am trying to accomplish is using OWA to access Exchange when out of
> the office.
> while in the office, i use outlook to connecte to Exchange AND to connect to
> an IMAP server - no problem.
>
> when using OWA, i can't see the IMAP as it is only sync'd thru outlook. i'd
> like to load something on Exchange to sync the IMAP account into my Exchange
> account - hence being able to see both thru OWA
In that case, you will need to contact Microsoft for technical support with
their software. Perhaps they can recommend you some commercial product that
will do this. The free software community has very little, if any, technical
information on the inner working of Microsoft's proprietary software.
Unfortunately, it's unlikely that anyone here will have any suggestions for
you.
Cydrome Leader
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yeah sam, let me simulate call to MS about this impossible problem.
MS Support: What's your case #?
whoever: 123123123, hi I want to see my imap mail though OWA.
MS Support: just forward your imap mail to the exchange server and
setup rules to put those message into folders as you need.
whoever: Great, thanks! Please close the support case
MS Support: have a great day.
simple solution to a simple problem, without excuses about how microsoft
is evil.
If for whatever reasons, you can't forward your email, that's just sad and
you should just give up on email all together.
Pete Maclean
news:7yOlj.64962$Rf5....@newsfe13.phx...
> yes, and no.
>
> what i am trying to accomplish is using OWA to access Exchange when out of
> the office.
> while in the office, i use outlook to connecte to Exchange AND to connect
> to an IMAP server - no problem.
>
> when using OWA, i can't see the IMAP as it is only sync'd thru outlook.
> i'd like to load something on Exchange to sync the IMAP account into my
> Exchange account - hence being able to see both thru OWA
Phalanx, Please take a look at my product, MailRelayer
(www.maclean.com/mailrelayer). It does not do what you want but, given that
there probably is nothing available to do what you want, it may prove a
satisfactory substitute. What MailRelayer does is allow you to see your
Outlook mail via IMAP; in other words it plugs an IMAP server directly into
your Outlook client. You can connect to it either from a remote IMAP client
or through a Webmail-to-IMAP gateway (which would be more OWA-like) and see
your mail exactly as you would when you are in your office.
Pete Maclean
Sam
That would be typical MS support response. "Forward" your mail, and syncing
two mailboxes, is not the same thing.
> simple solution to a simple problem, without excuses about how microsoft
> is evil.
You do not understand what the problem is.
> If for whatever reasons, you can't forward your email, that's just sad and
> you should just give up on email all together.
What's sad is that you took the time to write up an amusing anecdote,
without actually understanding the original question. But that's ok, there's
nothing wrong with occasional minute or two of comic relief.
Bill Kearney
> i'd like to load something on Exchange to sync the IMAP account into my
> Exchange account - hence being able to see both thru OWA
Ah, that better explains it. OWA connects only to the Exchange server. It
has no support for anything else.
You could use something like imapsync to keep an external IMAP connection
syncronized with a set of folders inside your Exchange account folders.
I've never attempted it but it ought to be possible. This way you'd be
pulling the mail into your Exchange folders using the IMAP protocol on both
ends. Pull messages from the source IMAP server and push them into Exchange
also using IMAP. But it would require you to be running this sync program
'somewhere'. It'd also require that the IMAP service be configured on the
Exchange server, it's not by default.
-Bill Kearney
Cydrome Leader
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The comic relief was yet another person crying about vendor X.
I posted a solution.
There's really no difference in syncing mail in outlook from two sources
or just having all you mail on the exchange server, except that if it's on
the exchange server you can easily access it all from OWA.
Cydrome Leader
OR- just forward your mail to the exchange server.
Bill Kearney
>> You could use something like imapsync to keep an external IMAP connection
>> syncronized with a set of folders inside your Exchange account folders.
>
There are various reasons why people might not WANT to forward their mail.
Yes, it's one way to deal with the situation, but not necessarily the best
one. Filtering is one reason I'd never use it. Then there's the whole
problem of spam and bouncing.
There's more than one way to approach the problem, just using forwarding is
not always it.
Cydrome Leader
>
>>> You could use something like imapsync to keep an external IMAP connection
>>> syncronized with a set of folders inside your Exchange account folders.
>>
>> OR- just forward your mail to the exchange server.
>
> There are various reasons why people might not WANT to forward their mail.
> Yes, it's one way to deal with the situation, but not necessarily the best
> one. Filtering is one reason I'd never use it. Then there's the whole
> problem of spam and bouncing.
What's the problem with filtering, spam, and bouncing?
NM Public
I discuss a lot of the problems with forwarding in my Procmail
Quick Start in this section:
The Problems With Forwarding
<http://www.ii.com/internet/robots/procmail/qs/#forwardingProbs>
On big problem nowadays is that the SMTP server that receives a
forwarded message will think that the forwarded message is spam
because the sending SMTP server (the one that forwards the
message) is not an SMTP server that is allowed [*] to send mail
for the domain name that the message is originally From. For
details about this (and more), see my link above.
Hope this helps,
Nancy
[*] E.g. via SPF (Send Policy Framework)
Bill Kearney
> Hope this helps,
> Nancy
As always, yes it does. Thanks Nancy!
Hans-Peter Demus
Phalanx schrieb:
use some web client like HORDE IMP to connect from the road to Your IMAP
server
Cydrome Leader
that's a poorly configured mail server, not a problem of forwarding
itself.
Rob Brown
> NM Public <ago...@nm.deflexion.com> wrote:
>>
>> On big problem nowadays is that the SMTP server that receives a
>> forwarded message will think that the forwarded message is spam
>> because the sending SMTP server (the one that forwards the message)
>> is not an SMTP server that is allowed [*] to send mail for the
>> domain name that the message is originally From.
>
> that's a poorly configured mail server, not a problem of forwarding
> itself.
Which one is poorly configured? The one sending? Or the one
receiving?
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Bill Kearney
> itself.
You've obviously never had any real experience running mail servers.
Phalanx
messages are still on the IMAP server. This functionality is available in
Outlook - mark a message read, the IMAP server marks as read, etc. I want to
move this functionality to the Exchange server so I can utilize OWA while
traveling.
"Cydrome Leader" <pres...@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote in message
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Cydrome Leader
> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Cydrome Leader wrote:
>
>> NM Public <ago...@nm.deflexion.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On big problem nowadays is that the SMTP server that receives a
>>> forwarded message will think that the forwarded message is spam
>>> because the sending SMTP server (the one that forwards the message)
>>> is not an SMTP server that is allowed [*] to send mail for the
>>> domain name that the message is originally From.
>>
>> that's a poorly configured mail server, not a problem of forwarding
>> itself.
>
> Which one is poorly configured? The one sending? Or the one
> receiving?
a mail server rejecting forwarded messages aren't trying to
be relayed is broken.
Cydrome Leader
> Forwarding is NOT a solution. The reason to sync is so that the original
> messages are still on the IMAP server. This functionality is available in
It's impossible for you to do a local deliver on you imap server and
forward the message along???
Cydrome Leader
That's right, I don't even know what email is. I'm only handling about
90GB of IMAP backed email, for hundreds of users.
As for outbound mail, my servers are so poorly configured and untuned that
all major email services (even the stupidest one of all, yahoo) will
accept the messages, even if they blast out at in batches of tens of
thousands at once.
In case you're curious, it's not spam either.
Now, back to the original problem, can somebody explain why it's too hard
to forward a couple messages to an exchange server?
Sam
Not necessarily. Mail servers are not obligated to accept every message
someone wants to deliver to them. Mail servers are free to refuse to accept
any unwanted message, in accordance with the mail servers' owners' wishes.
If the owner of a mail server explicitly sets it to reject forwarded mail,
it would not be broken for the mail server to do what it was told to do. You
may believe it is unwise to reject forwarded mail. That's your privilege,
and you are free to practice this privilege, accordingly, with your own mail
server, but you have no standing as far as anyone else's mail server's
practices are concerned.
Cydrome Leader
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>
> Cydrome Leader writes:
>
>> Rob Brown <mylas...@gmcl.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Cydrome Leader wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> that's a poorly configured mail server, not a problem of forwarding
>>>> itself.
>>>
>>> Which one is poorly configured? The one sending? Or the one
>>> receiving?
>>
>> a mail server rejecting forwarded messages aren't trying to
>> be relayed is broken.
>
> Not necessarily. Mail servers are not obligated to accept every message
> someone wants to deliver to them. Mail servers are free to refuse to accept
> any unwanted message, in accordance with the mail servers' owners' wishes.
There's definitely lots of configurations done on purpose that are
questionable. The general opinion of email users (people receiving email)
is that not receiving a message they expect is a bigger deal that one more
piece of spam slipping though.
> If the owner of a mail server explicitly sets it to reject forwarded mail,
> it would not be broken for the mail server to do what it was told to do. You
> may believe it is unwise to reject forwarded mail. That's your privilege,
> and you are free to practice this privilege, accordingly, with your own mail
> server, but you have no standing as far as anyone else's mail server's
> practices are concerned.
I'm not questioning the right to misconfigure a mail server so it performs
in a way that makes it hard to use, or unable to handle reasonable tasks.
Bill Kearney
> It's impossible for you to do a local deliver on you imap server and
> forward the message along???
Dude, you're an idiot. You've got the classic case of "when all you have is
a hammer, everything looks like a nail".
Cydrome Leader
I'd like to point out a couple things here.
I'm not the person that can't get two separate email systems to play
together, so that I can access my webmail, using OWA of all things.
It's hillarious how you called me an idiot, in a news group about email
systems, as a hotmail.com user.
Just turn off your webTV and get to bed before your make yourself look
even more foolish.
Bill Kearney
> together, so that I can access my webmail, using OWA of all things.
No, you're just the idiot that thinks using mail forwarding would actually
solve the guy's problems.
> It's hillarious how you called me an idiot, in a news group about email
> systems, as a hotmail.com user.
Gee, ever think it's best to use a free service that's got great spam
blocking instead of one of my own systems? You're such a naive rube.
> Just turn off your webTV and get to bed before your make yourself look
> even more foolish.
I suppose the only thing foolish is pointing out your stupidity, a wasted
effort apparently.
Cydrome Leader
>> I'm not the person that can't get two separate email systems to play
>> together, so that I can access my webmail, using OWA of all things.
>
> No, you're just the idiot that thinks using mail forwarding would actually
> solve the guy's problems.
It would, easily.
One he gets back from his trip or whatever he can use outlook to create a
new temp folder on his IMAP server, then copy his messages that were
forwared to the exchange server to that folder. The read flag will be
saved. Then delete the new messages off the imap server and copy the temp
folder items back to wherever he wants them on the IMAP server.
It's even easier to do than it is to explain- a small task of two copies
or moves.
bam, everything in sync, and he has all his email though exchange's OWA.
>> It's hillarious how you called me an idiot, in a news group about email
>> systems, as a hotmail.com user.
>
> Gee, ever think it's best to use a free service that's got great spam
> blocking instead of one of my own systems? You're such a naive rube.
I guess if you can't wrangle your own mail server, you better just use
hotmail.
>> Just turn off your webTV and get to bed before your make yourself look
>> even more foolish.
>
> I suppose the only thing foolish is pointing out your stupidity, a wasted
> effort apparently.
It is foolish for you to point out things that aren't true.
Bill Kearney
>> actually
>> solve the guy's problems.
>
> It would, easily.
>
> One he gets back from his trip or whatever he can use outlook to create a
> new temp folder on his IMAP server, then copy his messages that were
> forwared to the exchange server to that folder. The read flag will be
> saved. Then delete the new messages off the imap server and copy the temp
> folder items back to wherever he wants them on the IMAP server.
Apparently you've never dealt with moving, copying or syncing anything
beyond a single mailbox (and that's in the IMAP sense of the word).
Yep, it's clear you just don't grasp how poorly your suggestions would work.
Ah well. At least you've made it entirely clear how little you understand.
Hopefully that will serve as a warning beacon for anyone else unfortunate
enough to run across your "advice".
Cydrome Leader
>>> No, you're just the idiot that thinks using mail forwarding would
>>> actually
>>> solve the guy's problems.
>>
>> It would, easily.
>>
>> One he gets back from his trip or whatever he can use outlook to create a
>> new temp folder on his IMAP server, then copy his messages that were
>> forwared to the exchange server to that folder. The read flag will be
>> saved. Then delete the new messages off the imap server and copy the temp
>> folder items back to wherever he wants them on the IMAP server.
>
> Apparently you've never dealt with moving, copying or syncing anything
> beyond a single mailbox (and that's in the IMAP sense of the word).
I have all my email going back over 12 years, including every company I
worked at, in addition to my personal mail. I have a pretty good grasp of
email.
> Yep, it's clear you just don't grasp how poorly your suggestions would work.
> Ah well. At least you've made it entirely clear how little you understand.
> Hopefully that will serve as a warning beacon for anyone else unfortunate
> enough to run across your "advice".
Again, this is coming from a guy that uses hotmail because he can't handle
email for himself.
That's pretty fucking sad.
Bill Kearney
> I have all my email going back over 12 years
Gee, only 12? You're a newbie. I've still got my mail from '87. Hmmm, but
probably not the tape drive for them anymore... No wait, those files got
dumped to DVD-RAM last summer.
But that's sorta pointless. Having archives of YOUR mail says nothing about
the ability to design, setup and maintain actual mail servers. But hey, you
go with your little fantasies, newbie.
> Again, this is coming from a guy that uses hotmail because he can't handle
> email for himself. That's pretty fucking sad.
Sad? Puh-leeze. Using a free service like hotmail (or yahoo, or gmail, or
whatever) allows a real e-mail address, on someone else's dime, to function
without my own time and resources being wasted on dealing with spam or
attacks against it. It works quite well. Meanwhile my other mail
accounts, on my own boxes, don't have to waste any resources dealing with
it. I never have to hit the hotmail servers as I've got my server pulling
the mail from it directly and delivering into local IMAP folders. So g'way
son, you bother me.
Cydrome Leader
>
>> I have all my email going back over 12 years
>
> Gee, only 12? You're a newbie. I've still got my mail from '87. Hmmm, but
> probably not the tape drive for them anymore... No wait, those files got
> dumped to DVD-RAM last summer.
In other words, you have no idea where your prodigy mail is. DVD-RAM, now
that's the best buy choice of backup media.
> But that's sorta pointless. Having archives of YOUR mail says nothing about
> the ability to design, setup and maintain actual mail servers. But hey, you
> go with your little fantasies, newbie.
My mail is all online, not lost on some coaster of a DVD that probably
doesn't even really exist, especially when you struggle to recall where
your stuff is anways.
>> Again, this is coming from a guy that uses hotmail because he can't handle
>> email for himself. That's pretty fucking sad.
>
> Sad? Puh-leeze. Using a free service like hotmail (or yahoo, or gmail, or
> whatever) allows a real e-mail address, on someone else's dime, to function
> without my own time and resources being wasted on dealing with spam or
> attacks against it. It works quite well. Meanwhile my other mail
> accounts, on my own boxes, don't have to waste any resources dealing with
> it. I never have to hit the hotmail servers as I've got my server pulling
> the mail from it directly and delivering into local IMAP folders. So g'way
> son, you bother me.
That's pretty amateur no matter how you look at it.
You scrape webmail, probably from an AOL dialup account you borrowed from
a relative.
You can't even accept the mail yourself and make your own rules or filter
spam as you please. You just take whatever hotmail allows. They're pretty
good at making mail vanish after sending a 250 back to the sender at
which point the message never makes it to an inbox or the spam folder if
you haven't noticed. But hey, it's free and in these days of email being
really expensive that's a big bonus.
But you probably never knew that, not having access to any of the mail
logs on their side, in addition to not even knowing what mail logs even
are.
As for your other "boxes" and not wasting resources, I can agree, a mac
quadra user running yellow dog does need to watch what they do. It's a
fine line between maxing out your 8 megs of ram and swapping out to disk
and crashing. But hey, you're a busy guy working hard to look incredibly
stupid on usenet.
I am pleased you're happy with your extremely low level of standards.
Bill Kearney
> that's the best buy choice of backup media.
Clearly you're unfamiliar with disc reliability and formats. But that's
fine, you've shown how little you know on several fronts, more is not a
surprise.
> You scrape webmail, probably from an AOL dialup account you borrowed from
> a relative.
Hey! Yet another wrong assumption. But then you've got the ASS part of
ASS-u-me down pat now.
> But you probably never knew that, not having access to any of the mail
> logs on their side, in addition to not even knowing what mail logs even
> are.
Given the sole use of that account is to fend off spam, while still having
someting public for those that wouldn't have my other addresses, it works
quite well/
> I am pleased you're happy with your extremely low level of standards.
Yes, apparently so, replying to a fool like you. Ah well, sometimes it's
fun to torment idiots like you.
Cydrome Leader
>> In other words, you have no idea where your prodigy mail is. DVD-RAM, now
>> that's the best buy choice of backup media.
>
> Clearly you're unfamiliar with disc reliability and formats. But that's
> fine, you've shown how little you know on several fronts, more is not a
> surprise.
Ah, the hotmail user is now an expert in archival media. Why don't you lay
it all out for us, give us the rundown on demonstrated life of non-magneto
optical rewritable media.
>> You scrape webmail, probably from an AOL dialup account you borrowed from
>> a relative.
>
> Hey! Yet another wrong assumption. But then you've got the ASS part of
> ASS-u-me down pat now.
Maybe I got the aol part wrong. The scraping webmail part is correct.
>> But you probably never knew that, not having access to any of the mail
>> logs on their side, in addition to not even knowing what mail logs even
>> are.
>
> Given the sole use of that account is to fend off spam, while still having
> someting public for those that wouldn't have my other addresses, it works
> quite well/
>
>> I am pleased you're happy with your extremely low level of standards.
>
> Yes, apparently so, replying to a fool like you. Ah well, sometimes it's
> fun to torment idiots like you.
You're the one being tormented by facts you can't handle.
I've noticed you've provided absoletely zero technical content in any of
these posts. That says something about who the newbie is.
John Mayson
I thought Exchange had an "IMAP mode". I started at my present employer
in 1998. Previously I had never used Outlook (or was it called Exchange
back then) so when I started and used it I gagged and was able to use Pine
for my email at work. That was until IT called me one day, but that's a
different story.
I went back a little later trying to use Pine and discovered it no longer
worked. That's when I learned the Exchange administrator could turn IMAP
access off and on. Is this not the case or no longer the case?
John
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Austin, Texas, USA // Sent from a Nokia N810
John Mayson
to Exchange. The scope of this thread is well beyond that.
Cydrome Leader
> I'm jumping into this thread late, but I would like to clarify something.
>
> I thought Exchange had an "IMAP mode". I started at my present employer
> in 1998. Previously I had never used Outlook (or was it called Exchange
> back then) so when I started and used it I gagged and was able to use Pine
> for my email at work. That was until IT called me one day, but that's a
> different story.
>
> I went back a little later trying to use Pine and discovered it no longer
> worked. That's when I learned the Exchange administrator could turn IMAP
> access off and on. Is this not the case or no longer the case?
>
> John
>
I'm pretty sure the IMAP option is still there. Last time I enabled IMAP
(exchange 2000) and used pine (which may have needed IMAP patches, I don't
recall) all my mail appeared in one folder, which was pretty pointless.
Phalanx
anyone with any idea if this will work. For better or worse, here is the
layout:
Exchange server with outlook client.
Voicemail server with IMAP support
with outlook client, i can MAPI to Exchange and IMAP to voicemail. - this is
not a problem, when i mark a VM as read, the MWI turns off. when i mark as
unread, it turns on.
what i can't do is see my voicemail and email in any other single interface
(OWA, windows mobile, etc)
If I could get Exchange to act as my IMAP client (NOT a server, but the
client) I would be able to have Exchange get my mail for me. It does no good
if it is just a forward as the voicemail message waiting indicator would not
be accurate. it needs to be sync'd. there is an application, PoPcon, that
will get the mail, but not synchronize it. the sync is the key.
now let's play nice. :)
Bill Kearney
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