Problem installing eudora 7 on vista 32-bit
dizzie....@gmail.com
Premium computer I just did it the way I have always done and
installed both the data and application to C:\Program
Files\Qualcomm\Eudora. Needless to say this has been causing problems
with attachments, address book, and backups.
I saw the instructions listed in this group, uninstalled Eudora and
reinstalled following the instructions telling the setup to install
the data and application where it wanted to. Then when the install was
complete I checked Help | About and the data and application were
installed to C:\Program Files\Qualcomm\Eudora. Is there any way short
of wiping the hard drive to get Eudora installed to the proper
locations for Vista?
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Stan Bischof
> When I first installed Eudora 7.1.0.9 on my husband's Vista Home
> Premium computer I just did it the way I have always done and
> installed both the data and application to C:\Program
> Files\Qualcomm\Eudora. Needless to say this has been causing problems
> with attachments, address book, and backups.
>
> I saw the instructions listed in this group, uninstalled Eudora and
> reinstalled following the instructions telling the setup to install
> the data and application where it wanted to. Then when the install was
> complete I checked Help | About and the data and application were
> installed to C:\Program Files\Qualcomm\Eudora. Is there any way short
> of wiping the hard drive to get Eudora installed to the proper
> locations for Vista?
Probably, But the issue goes away completely if you create
yourself a shortcut to start Eudora.
<full path to eudora> <full path to your data directory>
and you're done.
example- create shortcut that executes
C:\program files\Qualcomm\eudora\eudora.exe C:\users\lizzie\mail
A distinct advntage of this is that you can have multiple
users/Eudora configs/whatever. Another is that your data is now
completely portable.
Stan
John H Meyers
> I installed both the data and application to
> C:\Program Files\Qualcomm\Eudora.
> Needless to say this has been causing problems
> with attachments, address book, and backups.
Store your mail, settings, and all "user files"
somewhere else -- never under where program files go.
This has been strongly recommended since year 2000,
when Eudora version 5 was released:
"Installing Eudora on Windows 2000/XP"
http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/2128hq.html
In 2006, Vista started being sterner with anyone not taking heed,
as you (and many others) have noticed.
Here are additional general installation instructions,
as they have existed ever since Eudora version 5
(the page dates back to Oct 2000,
although the version number has since been updated to "7.1" :)
"Upgrading to 7.1 (Windows)"
http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/newto5/upgrade/win.html
A program-launching "shortcut"
(which you can even create yourself)
may dictate to Eudora exactly what folder
to use as the mail "Data" folder (a single folder,
containing all mailboxes, settings, address books -- in short,
everything that belongs to the user, relating to Eudora mail).
Or, you can let the installer suggest a "standard place,"
described by a phrase such as "user app data,"
which will turn out to be in your Windows user "profile,"
and will then be the default place, if a shortcut
does not already dictate some other location.
The installer's default location for mail,
which is called something like "user app data,"
is generally the best place,
for anyone who isn't more experienced,
particularly whenever there may be multiple users
(with different login accounts) per computer.
If you have previously mixed "programs" and "data" together,
and are not sure which files are which, you may copy
the entire combined original directory (including its subdirectories)
to the new location for "Data," and generally need not worry
if some unused "program" files also come along for the ride.
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dizzie....@gmail.com
I have tried this before. I uninstall Eudora. Restart the computer.
Install Eudora using the default locations for application and data
files. Restart the computer. Open Eudora. Check the data and
application file locations in Help | About and they are back to
C:\Program Files\Qualcomm\Eudora.
Is there any way to get the reinstall of Eudora to end up where I tell
it to install?
John H Meyers
> I have tried this before. I uninstall Eudora. Restart the computer.
> Install Eudora using the default locations for application and data
> files. Restart the computer. Open Eudora. Check the data and
> application file locations in Help | About and they are back to
> C:\Program Files\Qualcomm\Eudora
This is an artifact of the logic used by Eudora when it's launched,
in which, if its command line does not tell it where the "Data" is,
and if "data" is found in the same folder as the programs,
then it will use that data.
You can read the details of this logic in the "Readme.txt" file
which is installed with the programs, or online at
http://www.eudora.com/download/eudora/windows/7.1/Readme.txt
(see "Finding the data folder")
Here's how we can straighten out several things at the same time:
After you "uninstall the programs," your data remains.
This would be a good time to move all of that data
(all files and subfolders) to somewhere else.
You could, for example,
move the folder "C:\Program Files\Qualcomm\Eudora"
into your "My Documents" folder -- that is,
move the single parent "Eudora" folder into your "My Documents" folder,
where it can be "parked" while you re-install Eudora,
telling the installer to use an "app data" folder
(to which you will later move your "parked" data)
When you start Eudora, after installation, for the first time,
it will find a new, empty data folder, and start a "New Account Wizard."
I would just exit the wizard,
because we are going to "import" all your old stuff instead.
Next, click "Help" then "About Eudora" -- now you see two "paths,"
the upper one is labeled "Data" -- assuming version 7.1.0.9,
point the mouse cursor fingertip squarely on "Data" and click once.
A Windows directory opens -- this is where you will copy
everything from your corresponding OLD "Data" folder
(you don't copy the single old data folder into here,
you OPEN the old "Data" folder and copy the _contents_ into here)
But before you start any copying, first close the Eudora _application_
while leaving the just-opened _folder_ still open.
After copying the data, open Eudora.
Vista is now happy -- I hope you are also happy!
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dizzie....@gmail.com
Thanks. That makes sense regarding what is happening on my husband's
computer. I will try this tomorrow morning.
Stan Bischof
>>if some unused "program" files also come along for the ride.
>
> I have tried this before. I uninstall Eudora. Restart the computer.
> Install Eudora using the default locations for application and data
> files. Restart the computer. Open Eudora. Check the data and
> application file locations in Help | About and they are back to
> C:\Program Files\Qualcomm\Eudora.
>
> Is there any way to get the reinstall of Eudora to end up where I tell
> it to install?
> --
Again-- create a shortcut to launch Eudora and all these
issues go away permanently.
Stan
dizzie....@gmail.com
>On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:28:22 -0600, "John H Meyers"
>>
I did try to follow your suggestions this morning. Unfortunately,
Eudora setup version 7.1.0.9 will no longer install. Everything looks
fine, no errors but no application installed. There is a file,
eudora.exe but it is not a valid Win 32 application. I tried
downloading the setup from www.eudora.com with the same results.
Any ideas on how to fix this?
dizzie....@gmail.com
<st...@newserve.worldbadminton.com> wrote:
Unfortunately, it didn't work for me. I have always used a shortcut
for Eudora. Eudora works but the address book doesn't. I can save
entries but they do not expand when entering the nickname. I get email
addressed to the nickname not the email address. There is also a
problem with opening attachments. Vista doesn't know where they are.
John H Meyers
> I did try to follow your suggestions this morning. Unfortunately,
> Eudora setup version 7.1.0.9 will no longer install. Everything looks
> fine, no errors but no application installed. There is a file,
> eudora.exe but it is not a valid Win 32 application. I tried
> downloading the setup from www.eudora.com with the same results.
> Any ideas on how to fix this?
In the game of Monopoly, on a Boardwalk dominated by Microsoft,
you have drawn a "go to Vista purgatory" card :)
Don't feel discriminated against, for using Eudora, because
even Microsoft Excel, Microsoft Access, and Microsoft Media Player
are reported to draw this same card,
when run on the computer of a player whose luck is simply down :)
Vista SP1 - "Not a Valid Win32 Application Error"
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/itprovistasp/thread/164871b2-46b3-4866-830f-9bf392dc5ad1/
"EXCEL.EXE is not a valid Win32 application" problem in Windows Vista
http://blogs.iis.net/carlosag/archive/2008/09/05/quot-excel-exe-is-not-a-valid-win32-application-quot-problem-in-windows-vista.aspx
(and give both MS and that blog "URL tongue twisters of the week" awards,
while you're at it :)
"Not a valid Win32 application"
http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000726.htm
(a list of more mundane possibilities, such as bad hardware)
Sorry for your being put through all that, but hope the above helps.
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Stan Bischof
>>> --
>>
>>Again-- create a shortcut to launch Eudora and all these
>>issues go away permanently.
>>
>>Stan
>
> Unfortunately, it didn't work for me. I have always used a shortcut
> for Eudora. Eudora works but the address book doesn't. I can save
> entries but they do not expand when entering the nickname. I get email
> addressed to the nickname not the email address. There is also a
> problem with opening attachments. Vista doesn't know where they are.
> --
makes no sense. Shortcut method works on all versions of Windows
including Vista.
You DID point to your data directory in the shortcut, right?
Stan
Stan Bischof
>
> Unfortunately, it didn't work for me. I have always used a shortcut
> for Eudora. Eudora works but the address book doesn't. I can save
> entries but they do not expand when entering the nickname. I get email
> addressed to the nickname not the email address. There is also a
> problem with opening attachments. Vista doesn't know where they are.
Vista has nothing to do with it. Eudora knows where the attachments
and all other data are since you tell Eudora with the shortcut.
Stan
John H Meyers
> Unfortunately, it didn't work for me. I have always used a shortcut
> for Eudora. Eudora works but the address book doesn't. I can save
> entries but they do not expand when entering the nickname. I get email
> addressed to the nickname not the email address. There is also a
> problem with opening attachments. Vista doesn't know where they are.
All this is the same sort of stuff
that afflicts people whose mail "Data"
remains under the system's "programs" folder tree,
causing the locations of new or updated "data items"
to get "virtualized" into an unexpected place,
and then not consistently treated the same way every time thereafter.
Here is a similar thread, with references to more info:
http://eudorabb.qualcomm.com/showthread.php?t=14216
One of the reference links in that thread,
to some extremely well presented Vista info, goes to
a currently unavailable part of National Instruments' web site,
but thanks to yet another source of deep enough pockets
to try to store all info in the universe forever,
a well-preserved copy can be found here:
http://web.archive.org/web/20080529025154/zone.ni.com/devzone/cda/tut/p/id/5538#toc3
If only one gets off to the right start in Vista, things go smoothly,
but a bad start can be like an overdose of a bad drug,
and may leave the brain dazed for a little while.
Here's to a speedy recovery, and best wishes.
How about "moving up" to Windows 7? After all,
this is Microsoft's "second chance to get Vista right,"
and some say they have actually begun to do that.
Meanwhile, I'll just sit tight with fabulous XP, thanks all the same :)
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dizzie....@gmail.com
John, thanks for the links and the ones in the previous msg. I've been
out all day and didn't have time to google anything. I'll start
looking at these tomorrow.
Re: Win 7. I have a desktop with Vista 64-bit which I will upgrade to
Win 7 64-bit as soon as the upgrade disc arrives. I will be doing a
clean install in the hopes of solving some very flakey problems with
this desktop. My husband does not do anything on his Vista laptop
except surf the web and read email, I will end up upgrading his
machine to Win 7 32-bit once I have some experience with my own
computer. He gets very upset when I screw up his Eudora. :)
John H Meyers
> Programs like Eudora, Agent newsreader, MS-Money, Opera, K-Meleon etc.
> if installed to D: then when I need to re-install my Operating System
> those programs on D: usually still need to be re-installed
> but they retain their original settings.
Eudora's settings
are within the single "Data" folder holding all user files,
as are Opera's, and often various other programs.
Before overwriting a Win2K/XP operating system
(as opposed to upgrading, which _may_
preserve these standard profiles), it's useful
to keep a complete back up of one's "Application Data,"
"Local Settings," and "My Documents" folders,
which are all within one's Windows user profile
(or back up the entire profile folder, if you can):
Right-click the "Start" button, choose "Open"
(now you are in your "Start Menu" folder),
then "Up" one level -- now you are in the main folder
of your Windows user profile, within which
are all the above folders (some marked "hidden,"
so you should enable "Show hidden files and folders"
in the "Folder Options").
There is another "Application Data" folder
under "Local Settings" -- don't confuse these.
Some applications use both "Application Data" folders,
with some different data in each, and many programs
will use these even if you install program files to D:
Eudora, however, employs just one user "Data" folder,
and is the very rare program which gives you the choice,
upon installing, of exactly where you want it to be --
if you choose "user app data," this is within
the higher-level "Application Data" folder mentioned above.
If you choose the default program files folder
for your data as well, or if you
"just copy my [only] Eudora folder to the same usual place,"
without even running the installation program,
no screaming siren sounds at the time,
but this one mistake has been the cause
of most of the serious Vista (and now Windows 7) problems.
It's your choice -- all you need is the knowledge
to avoid making that one big mistake upon initial installation
(also avoid skipping installation :)
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