Migrating into Eudora 8.0b7
Graham Rice
liked Eudora so I've installed Eudora 8.0b7 and now need to migrate
from TBird to Eudora.
I know Eudora is based on TBird - but any issues I should be aware of?
If it goes wrong, will I still be able to access email via TBird?
Couldn't find the info on Mozilla help pages. When I hit Tools>Import
in Eudora, Import Everything was grayed out.
Thanks in advance for help.
Graham
John H Meyers
I don't know how they've done this on the Mac side,
but I have seen that on Windows, when you install "E8,"
which is based on TB and uses the same storage "profile,"
it is already using any existing default TB profile,
and thus has nothing to "import," everything being already there.
"How To Manage Profiles"
http://www.mozilla.org/support/thunderbird/profile
"Profile folder - Thunderbird"
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_folder_-_Thunderbird
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Graham Rice
Well, John, it's the same on the Mac. Eudora just picks up everything
for TB automatically, which is great. It just works. But it screws up
the display (columns all muddled) and, disappointingly, brings with it
all the crap that drives me mad with TB. It really doesn't seem to
look or behave all that different. Big let down - I wanted it to look
and behave like Eudora 6 but not misbehave dramatically when the
number of emails mounts up.
Graham Rice
And, like TB, drag-and-drop is not supported and, also, the keyboard
shortcuts for Cut and Paste don't work. Not good.
John H Meyers
> It's the same on the Mac. Eudora just picks up everything
> for TB automatically, which is great. It just works. But it screws up
> the display (columns all muddled) and, disappointingly, brings with it
> all the crap that drives me mad with TB. It really doesn't seem to
> look or behave all that different. Big let down - I wanted it to look
> and behave like Eudora 6 but not misbehave dramatically when the
> number of emails mounts up.
So this was not a "how to import" question :)
If you launch "standard" TB and it still works,
this would also directly answer the "can I go back" question :)
> And, like TB, drag-and-drop is not supported and, also,
> the keyboard shortcuts for Cut and Paste don't work. Not good.
Must be a "beta" version :)
Has a bug reviewing/reporting/feature_request site, though,
and a Qualcomm forum with a live developer
(albeit somewhat too busy to post very often).
Sorry it's been bad, and hope it gets better.
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Graham Rice
I can't believe they'd release anything so obviously unfinished.
Eudora re-arranged the columns in the message pane of every mailbox
according to its own whim and then when I'd fixed them all - did it
again. And now TB does it as well! And various other preferences have
been randomly changed in TB. I've wasted hours on this. And failing to
ensure that basic keyboard shortcuts like Cut and Paste work is
unacceptable. All I wanted, basically, was a version of Eudora 6 that
could cope with a large number of mailboxes with a large number of
messages. Better try Mail, I suppose.
John H Meyers
> I can't believe they'd release anything so obviously unfinished.
All "beta" test versions state this,
and have "discussion" and "bugzilla" pages
documenting the current status.
Most who try "E8" are not currently using TB,
and since E8 is completely independent of E6,
the trial use of E8 and E6 in parallel is then without risk.
E8 is dependent on TB3 (also long in alpha/beta and not yet released),
which may be a factor in why its development has dragged out.
Some of the problems in "E8 vs. TB" may be fixable,
but if it should turn out that others here do not have more info,
then another place to turn might be to Qualcomm's E8 forum:
http://eudorabb.qualcomm.com/forumdisplay.php?f=29
Since that forum merges Mac, Windows, and Linux,
it might be useful to always identify the platform,
as well as the E8 version.
Is there any prior backup to restore the TB profile? Time Machine?
It may be only the "preferences" (big JS file) which need restoring:
http://www.mozilla.org/support/thunderbird/edit
> All I wanted, basically, was a version of Eudora 6
Well, it has long been pointed out that it is
a modified version of Thunderbird 3,
adding what extras they can according to user requests,
using no part of the encumbered original software code at all.
I am truly sorry for anyone to fall into the potholes on this road,
and can only try to help broadcast and mark their location,
or to try to help find some repair crew lurking about.
Best wishes.
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John H Meyers
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Modify_Thunderbird_settings
Column formatting may be stored elsewhere.
Some have problem losing column settings, others not
(they forgot to state their platforms!)
http://eudorabb.qualcomm.com/showpost.php?p=41376
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Kathy Morgan
> All I wanted, basically, was a version of Eudora 6 that
> could cope with a large number of mailboxes with a large number of
> messages.
I'm using Eudora 6.2.4 on a MacBook Pro; it deals very well with a large
number of mailboxes with a large number of messages, so there is
probably no need to migrate to anything. If you're using an Intel Mac,
you'll need to install Rosetta, and you should be prompted to download
it.
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Kathy
Peter Ceresole
> I'm using Eudora 6.2.4 on a MacBook Pro; it deals very well with a large
> number of mailboxes with a large number of messages, so there is
> probably no need to migrate to anything. If you're using an Intel Mac,
> you'll need to install Rosetta, and you should be prompted to download
> it.
I'm using 6.2.4 on Anne's IntelMac (a 2.4GHz MBP) running 10.5.8 and
installing it (and running it) was an absolute piece of cake. I don't
remember installing Rosetta- I believe it's bundled and I think it may
have just run when I ran Eudora or MacSOUP. At any rate, it took no
special action on my part.
And never mind the code translation, Eudora runs like a fast thing...
The only reasons that I might want to change are that Eudora's IMAP
support is famously bad (although I don't need it right now) and it
doesn't support Unicode. Neither reason is as compelling as Eudora's
rocklike stability and (once you're used to it) its splendid, flexble,
spanner-like user interface.
I suppose that for Unicode and IMAP, there's always Apple's Mail.app.
But I see no reason to use that.
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Peter
Sander Tekelenburg
pe...@cara.demon.co.uk (Peter Ceresole) wrote:
> Kathy Morgan <kmo...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>
> > [...] If you're using an Intel Mac,
> > you'll need to install Rosetta, and you should be prompted to download
> > it.
>
> I'm using 6.2.4 on Anne's IntelMac (a 2.4GHz MBP) running 10.5.8 and
> installing it (and running it) was an absolute piece of cake. I don't
> remember installing Rosetta
Rosetta has become an optional install since 10.6. If you don't, the
system will offer to download and install Rosetta when you try to launch
an app that needs it.
[...]
> The only reasons that I might want to change are that Eudora's IMAP
> support is famously bad
What exactly is so bad about it? I've often heard this claim, but I
don't recall having ever seen specific problems listed.
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Alice Faber
Sander Tekelenburg <us...@domain.invalid> wrote:
> In article <1j9phx3.1lhbm7tx9n2ejN%pe...@cara.demon.co.uk>,
> pe...@cara.demon.co.uk (Peter Ceresole) wrote:
>
> > Kathy Morgan <kmo...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> >
> > > [...] If you're using an Intel Mac,
> > > you'll need to install Rosetta, and you should be prompted to download
> > > it.
> >
> > I'm using 6.2.4 on Anne's IntelMac (a 2.4GHz MBP) running 10.5.8 and
> > installing it (and running it) was an absolute piece of cake. I don't
> > remember installing Rosetta
>
> Rosetta has become an optional install since 10.6. If you don't, the
> system will offer to download and install Rosetta when you try to launch
> an app that needs it.
>
> [...]
>
> > The only reasons that I might want to change are that Eudora's IMAP
> > support is famously bad
>
> What exactly is so bad about it? I've often heard this claim, but I
> don't recall having ever seen specific problems listed.
Back when I abandoned Eudora, the issues were that IMAP support was
kludgey and connections were glacially slow. Furthermore, there was no
support for synchronizing IMAP mailboxes for off-line work. Both
problems may well be solved.
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