I'm running Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 on a Mac. But I hate the interface. I liked Eudora so I've installed Eudora 8.0b7 and now need to migrate from TBird to Eudora.
I know Eudora is based on TBird - but any issues I should be aware of? If it goes wrong, will I still be able to access email via TBird?
Couldn't find the info on Mozilla help pages. When I hit Tools>Import in Eudora, Import Everything was grayed out.
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:20:38 -0600, Graham Rice wrote: > I'm running Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 on a Mac. But I hate the interface. > I liked Eudora so I've installed Eudora 8.0b7 and now need to migrate > from TBird to Eudora.
> I know Eudora is based on TBird - but any issues I should be aware of? > If it goes wrong, will I still be able to access email via TBird?
> Couldn't find the info on Mozilla help pages. When I hit Tools>Import > in Eudora, Import Everything was grayed out.
I don't know how they've done this on the Mac side, but I have seen that on Windows, when you install "E8," which is based on TB and uses the same storage "profile," it is already using any existing default TB profile, and thus has nothing to "import," everything being already there.
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:20:38 -0600, Graham Rice wrote: > > I'm running Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 on a Mac. But I hate the interface. > > I liked Eudora so I've installed Eudora 8.0b7 and now need to migrate > > from TBird to Eudora.
> > I know Eudora is based on TBird - but any issues I should be aware of? > > If it goes wrong, will I still be able to access email via TBird?
> > Couldn't find the info on Mozilla help pages. When I hit Tools>Import > > in Eudora, Import Everything was grayed out.
> I don't know how they've done this on the Mac side, > but I have seen that on Windows, when you install "E8," > which is based on TB and uses the same storage "profile," > it is already using any existing default TB profile, > and thus has nothing to "import," everything being already there.
Well, John, it's the same on the Mac. Eudora just picks up everything for TB automatically, which is great. It just works. But it screws up the display (columns all muddled) and, disappointingly, brings with it all the crap that drives me mad with TB. It really doesn't seem to look or behave all that different. Big let down - I wanted it to look and behave like Eudora 6 but not misbehave dramatically when the number of emails mounts up.
> On Nov 23, 5:36 pm, "John H Meyers" <jhmey...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
> > On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:20:38 -0600, Graham Rice wrote: > > > I'm running Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 on a Mac. But I hate the interface. > > > I liked Eudora so I've installed Eudora 8.0b7 and now need to migrate > > > from TBird to Eudora.
> > > I know Eudora is based on TBird - but any issues I should be aware of? > > > If it goes wrong, will I still be able to access email via TBird?
> > > Couldn't find the info on Mozilla help pages. When I hit Tools>Import > > > in Eudora, Import Everything was grayed out.
> > I don't know how they've done this on the Mac side, > > but I have seen that on Windows, when you install "E8," > > which is based on TB and uses the same storage "profile," > > it is already using any existing default TB profile, > > and thus has nothing to "import," everything being already there.
> Well, John, it's the same on the Mac. Eudora just picks up everything > for TB automatically, which is great. It just works. But it screws up > the display (columns all muddled) and, disappointingly, brings with it > all the crap that drives me mad with TB. It really doesn't seem to > look or behave all that different. Big let down - I wanted it to look > and behave like Eudora 6 but not misbehave dramatically when the > number of emails mounts up.
And, like TB, drag-and-drop is not supported and, also, the keyboard shortcuts for Cut and Paste don't work. Not good.
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:45:35 -0600, Graham Rice wrote: > It's the same on the Mac. Eudora just picks up everything > for TB automatically, which is great. It just works. But it screws up > the display (columns all muddled) and, disappointingly, brings with it > all the crap that drives me mad with TB. It really doesn't seem to > look or behave all that different. Big let down - I wanted it to look > and behave like Eudora 6 but not misbehave dramatically when the > number of emails mounts up.
So this was not a "how to import" question :)
If you launch "standard" TB and it still works, this would also directly answer the "can I go back" question :)
> And, like TB, drag-and-drop is not supported and, also, > the keyboard shortcuts for Cut and Paste don't work. Not good.
Must be a "beta" version :)
Has a bug reviewing/reporting/feature_request site, though, and a Qualcomm forum with a live developer (albeit somewhat too busy to post very often).
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:45:35 -0600, Graham Rice wrote: > > It's the same on the Mac. Eudora just picks up everything > > for TB automatically, which is great. It just works. But it screws up > > the display (columns all muddled) and, disappointingly, brings with it > > all the crap that drives me mad with TB. It really doesn't seem to > > look or behave all that different. Big let down - I wanted it to look > > and behave like Eudora 6 but not misbehave dramatically when the > > number of emails mounts up.
> So this was not a "how to import" question :)
> If you launch "standard" TB and it still works, > this would also directly answer the "can I go back" question :)
> > And, like TB, drag-and-drop is not supported and, also, > > the keyboard shortcuts for Cut and Paste don't work. Not good.
> Must be a "beta" version :)
> Has a bug reviewing/reporting/feature_request site, though, > and a Qualcomm forum with a live developer > (albeit somewhat too busy to post very often).
> Sorry it's been bad, and hope it gets better.
> --
I can't believe they'd release anything so obviously unfinished. Eudora re-arranged the columns in the message pane of every mailbox according to its own whim and then when I'd fixed them all - did it again. And now TB does it as well! And various other preferences have been randomly changed in TB. I've wasted hours on this. And failing to ensure that basic keyboard shortcuts like Cut and Paste work is unacceptable. All I wanted, basically, was a version of Eudora 6 that could cope with a large number of mailboxes with a large number of messages. Better try Mail, I suppose.
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:50:26 -0600, Graham Rice wrote: > I can't believe they'd release anything so obviously unfinished.
All "beta" test versions state this, and have "discussion" and "bugzilla" pages documenting the current status.
Most who try "E8" are not currently using TB, and since E8 is completely independent of E6, the trial use of E8 and E6 in parallel is then without risk.
E8 is dependent on TB3 (also long in alpha/beta and not yet released), which may be a factor in why its development has dragged out.
Some of the problems in "E8 vs. TB" may be fixable, but if it should turn out that others here do not have more info, then another place to turn might be to Qualcomm's E8 forum:
> All I wanted, basically, was a version of Eudora 6
Well, it has long been pointed out that it is a modified version of Thunderbird 3, adding what extras they can according to user requests, using no part of the encumbered original software code at all.
I am truly sorry for anyone to fall into the potholes on this road, and can only try to help broadcast and mark their location, or to try to help find some repair crew lurking about.
Graham Rice <gra...@grahamrice.com> wrote: > All I wanted, basically, was a version of Eudora 6 that > could cope with a large number of mailboxes with a large number of > messages.
I'm using Eudora 6.2.4 on a MacBook Pro; it deals very well with a large number of mailboxes with a large number of messages, so there is probably no need to migrate to anything. If you're using an Intel Mac, you'll need to install Rosetta, and you should be prompted to download it.
Kathy Morgan <kmor...@spamcop.net> wrote: > I'm using Eudora 6.2.4 on a MacBook Pro; it deals very well with a large > number of mailboxes with a large number of messages, so there is > probably no need to migrate to anything. If you're using an Intel Mac, > you'll need to install Rosetta, and you should be prompted to download > it.
I'm using 6.2.4 on Anne's IntelMac (a 2.4GHz MBP) running 10.5.8 and installing it (and running it) was an absolute piece of cake. I don't remember installing Rosetta- I believe it's bundled and I think it may have just run when I ran Eudora or MacSOUP. At any rate, it took no special action on my part.
And never mind the code translation, Eudora runs like a fast thing...
The only reasons that I might want to change are that Eudora's IMAP support is famously bad (although I don't need it right now) and it doesn't support Unicode. Neither reason is as compelling as Eudora's rocklike stability and (once you're used to it) its splendid, flexble, spanner-like user interface.
I suppose that for Unicode and IMAP, there's always Apple's Mail.app. But I see no reason to use that. -- Peter
> > [...] If you're using an Intel Mac, > > you'll need to install Rosetta, and you should be prompted to download > > it.
> I'm using 6.2.4 on Anne's IntelMac (a 2.4GHz MBP) running 10.5.8 and > installing it (and running it) was an absolute piece of cake. I don't > remember installing Rosetta
Rosetta has become an optional install since 10.6. If you don't, the system will offer to download and install Rosetta when you try to launch an app that needs it.
[...]
> The only reasons that I might want to change are that Eudora's IMAP > support is famously bad
What exactly is so bad about it? I've often heard this claim, but I don't recall having ever seen specific problems listed.
> > > [...] If you're using an Intel Mac, > > > you'll need to install Rosetta, and you should be prompted to download > > > it.
> > I'm using 6.2.4 on Anne's IntelMac (a 2.4GHz MBP) running 10.5.8 and > > installing it (and running it) was an absolute piece of cake. I don't > > remember installing Rosetta
> Rosetta has become an optional install since 10.6. If you don't, the > system will offer to download and install Rosetta when you try to launch > an app that needs it.
> [...]
> > The only reasons that I might want to change are that Eudora's IMAP > > support is famously bad
> What exactly is so bad about it? I've often heard this claim, but I > don't recall having ever seen specific problems listed.
Back when I abandoned Eudora, the issues were that IMAP support was kludgey and connections were glacially slow. Furthermore, there was no support for synchronizing IMAP mailboxes for off-line work. Both problems may well be solved.
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