Snow Leopard Server from Apple Store for $19.99

[John H Meyers]

<http://forums.macresource.com/read.php?1,1523053,1523109>

Does this help with a certain problem re maintaining Mac Eudora
(and other Rosetta-dependent software) despite a Lion's roar?

A number of people on the "Eudora-Mac" mailing list
of the "Listmoms" group seem to think so,
and have flocked to order it -- they say to make sure
that whoever takes your order understands that you are
purchasing the server (unlimited, unrestricted) version,
to avoid being shipped a wrong non-server version.

Some say that it has to be ordered from an Apple store by phone,
and/or that it can be ordered only in U.S.

Update -- "Same for Europe - Only available
by Phone Store - price with shipping 24.05 Euro !"

I'm just passing along what I read -- if you aren't yet
subscribed directly to that mailing list, you may join now:

<http://www.listmoms.net/eudora-mac/>

Good luck!

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[John H Meyers]

On 3/9/2013 7:42 AM, John H Meyers wrote:

> Does this help with a certain problem re maintaining Mac Eudora
> (and other Rosetta-dependent software) despite a Lion's roar?

To elaborate, here are some quotes by those who think so:

"There has been much discussion here about running Eudora
in a Snow Leopard Server virtual machine using VMware Fusion or Parallels.
I learned on the MacInTouch website that US residents can buy Snow Leopard Server
on optical disc for only $20 (plus $4 postage plus sales tax) if you order
directly from Apple by telephone (800-692-7753 or 866-254-8313)
They don't care why you want it; they only ask if you already have
the client (non-server) version of Snow Leopard. Apparently that qualifies you
for the $20 price, but I believe the Server installer is stand-alone,
not requiring installation over Snow Leopard client.
I just ordered it today, so I have no usage experience to report."


"Ordered yesterday. Found out thru MichaelLAX's MacRumours thread
on virtual Snow Leopard/Rosetta. No problem ordering,
rep asked if it was for personal, business, or educational use--that was all.
Said it will take a week to arrive.
Reminder: This is the version of Snow Leopard that can be virtualized
without ANY question of legality. It used to sell for $300 to $500,
depending on which source you cite. So now you can run your Rosetta apps
in peace and harmony right alongside Lion or Mountain Lion. Eudora lives on! :-)"


"Same for Europe -- Only available by Phone Store --

price with shipping 24.05 Euro !"

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[David Empson]

John H Meyers <jhme...@nomail.invalid> wrote:

> <http://forums.macresource.com/read.php?1,1523053,1523109>
>
> Does this help with a certain problem re maintaining Mac Eudora
> (and other Rosetta-dependent software) despite a Lion's roar?

It certainly does, because it gives you a method of running Snow Leopard
inside a virtual machine on a later OS version, without possibly being
in violation of the licence agreement, and without having to use complex
workarounds.

The virtual machine vendors all say that non-server versions of Snow
Leopard and earlier are not allowed to be used in a VM. (VMware Fusion
and Parallels Desktop enforce this, VirtualBox apparently doesn't.)

It is possible to hack around the server-only restriction, but a
reasonably priced copy of Snow Leopard Server means this is no longer an
issue.

Even with Snow Leopard Server there is the significant memory overhead
of running another copy of OS X, as well as the disk overhead of a
second OS X installation. I've tried this with VMware Fusion and it is
somewhat cumbersome getting files back and forth between the VM and
host, since the shared folder and drag-and-drop mechanisms (available in
Windows in the VM) don't work for Mac OS X in the VM. That leaves file
sharing as your easiest way to transfer files back and forth.

Ironically, I found out about this US$20 Snow Leopard Server offer a few
days after having discovered a copy of Snow Leopard Server on sale via
Amazon for about US$90, and I jumped on that as it was too good a deal
to pass up. Not so good a deal now. Of course, if Apple really is only
doing the SL Server sales in the US (or in some markets), I might not
have been able to order it in New Zealand anyway.

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David Empson
dem...@actrix.gen.nz

[David Morrison]

In article <513B3E2B...@nomail.invalid>,

John H Meyers <jhme...@nomail.invalid> wrote:

> On 3/9/2013 7:42 AM, John H Meyers wrote:
>
> > Does this help with a certain problem re maintaining Mac Eudora
> > (and other Rosetta-dependent software) despite a Lion's roar?

Did any of them happen to mention which version of OS X the DVD is?

[David Morrison]

In article <1kzij2b.z7zifh1sfd6b6N%dem...@actrix.gen.nz>,

dem...@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote:

> Even with Snow Leopard Server there is the significant memory overhead
> of running another copy of OS X, as well as the disk overhead of a
> second OS X installation. I've tried this with VMware Fusion and it is
> somewhat cumbersome getting files back and forth between the VM and
> host, since the shared folder and drag-and-drop mechanisms (available in
> Windows in the VM) don't work for Mac OS X in the VM. That leaves file
> sharing as your easiest way to transfer files back and forth.

I have done the same and came to the same conclusion. Supposedly it
could also share your home folder on the host, but I didn't think it was
a great idea to have two copies of OS X updating the same preference
files at the same time.

The biggest issue I have with running Eudora in a virtual machine is the
attachments - adding them to messages and getting received ones back to
the host where I want them. I ended up making an alias to the host's
desktop in the virtual machine. That way I can drag attachments from a
message straight to the host's desktop, and add attachment sot messages
by just putting them on the host's desktop.


If someone has a better way, I would like to know it.

[David Empson]

I expect it will be 10.6.3, same as the last pressed version of Snow
Leopard non-server on DVD.

The copy I ordered via Amazon (just before hearing about it being
available even cheaper from Apple) has arrived and it is 10.6.3.

If you were wanting to install this as a bootable system, 10.6.3 would
only support Mac models introduced in 2009 or earlier. You would need a
workaround to install it and update it to 10.6.8 for 2010 Macs and for
2011 Macs which can boot Snow Leopard.

If running inside a VM, my experience with VMware Fusion 4.x is that the
virtual hardware presented to the guest OS is "old enough" that nothing
special needs to be done to get the OS working.

I was able to install Mac OS X Server 10.5.0 and 10.6.0 in VMs on my mid
2010 MacBook Pro, even though this model requires a custom build of
10.6.3 (or a standard build of 10.6.4 or later) for direct booting.

I haven't tried setting up a new VM with VMware Fusion 5.x, nor with
Parallels Desktop or VirtualBox.

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David Empson
dem...@actrix.gen.nz

[David Morrison]

In article <1kzob8t.1tgoff01vvh54jN%dem...@actrix.gen.nz>,

dem...@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote:

> If running inside a VM, my experience with VMware Fusion 4.x is that the
> virtual hardware presented to the guest OS is "old enough" that nothing
> special needs to be done to get the OS working.

I have 10.6.8 Server running on VMware 4 and Parallels 8. This was
installed from 10.6.0 Server and upgraded to 10.6.8. It all seems to
work normally, except for the poor support for OS X in a virtual machine
by both applications. This was running on a 2008 iMac, but was recently
transferred to a 2012 iMac 27".

> I was able to install Mac OS X Server 10.5.0 and 10.6.0 in VMs on my mid
> 2010 MacBook Pro, even though this model requires a custom build of
> 10.6.3 (or a standard build of 10.6.4 or later) for direct booting.

I think the VMs are a simulation of a hardware configuration. I don't
believe they depend on the host machine for anything. If the appropriate
hardware is there (eg, graphics card) they can use it, but if not will
just simulate it.