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David Morrison
Mar 31, 2013, 10:40:47 PM3/31/13
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I have a number of accounts that I access using POP in Eudora.
When travelling, I sometimes use my iPhone to access the accounts using
IMAP. This is fine for reading, but when I reply, the messages do not
end up in Eudora where I would like to keep them all.
Ok, I can get them into Eudora by a number of means. But when I get them
there, they appear as received messages, ie, they are not in italics,
and my name appears in the Who column of the mailbox instead of the
person the message was sent to.
Is there some way to tweak the message so it is regarded as a Sent
message?
[It turns out the messages sent via Gmail get a number of headers added
to them, including one Received: header. If I wipe out all of the extra
headers and other info so that the sent message looks like a message
Eudora sent, I do actually get the right name in the Who column of the
mailbox. If I them delete the TOC file, it becomes italics as well. So
perhaps Eudora decides this by looking at each message for headers and
general formatting. The status ends up as Unsent, but that's easy enough
to fix.]
When travelling, I sometimes use my iPhone to access the accounts using
IMAP. This is fine for reading, but when I reply, the messages do not
end up in Eudora where I would like to keep them all.
Ok, I can get them into Eudora by a number of means. But when I get them
there, they appear as received messages, ie, they are not in italics,
and my name appears in the Who column of the mailbox instead of the
person the message was sent to.
Is there some way to tweak the message so it is regarded as a Sent
message?
[It turns out the messages sent via Gmail get a number of headers added
to them, including one Received: header. If I wipe out all of the extra
headers and other info so that the sent message looks like a message
Eudora sent, I do actually get the right name in the Who column of the
mailbox. If I them delete the TOC file, it becomes italics as well. So
perhaps Eudora decides this by looking at each message for headers and
general formatting. The status ends up as Unsent, but that's easy enough
to fix.]
John H Meyers
Apr 3, 2013, 2:08:03 AM4/3/13
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On 3/31/2013 9:40 PM, David Morrison wrote:
> When travelling, I sometimes use my iPhone to access the accounts using
> IMAP. This is fine for reading, but when I reply, the messages do not
> end up in Eudora where I would like to keep them all.
> It turns out the messages sent via Gmail...
> When travelling, I sometimes use my iPhone to access the accounts using
> IMAP. This is fine for reading, but when I reply, the messages do not
> end up in Eudora where I would like to keep them all.
Messages sent using a Gmail account on-line,
if they are saved in "Sent Mail" online,
will be downloaded by the first POP client
to fetch messages from the same Gmail account,
but since such messages are fetched into Eudora's "In" mailbox,
they will be treated as received (incoming) messages.
Messages sent by Eudora via logging into a Gmail account
will likewise be seen as "Sent Mail" on-line.
In Eudora, for POP accounts, mail is considered "outgoing"
only if it is created in Eudora's own "Out" mailbox,
or if its status is recreated by Eudora in file "Out.toc";
all other messages (or re-created TOC entries)
are treated as incoming messages.
In other words,
when creating an appropriate TOC entry, Eudora cares only
about which mailbox a TOC entry is being created for;
once a TOC entry exists, any message transfer performed by Eudora,
between one mailbox and another,
copies or moves the original TOC entry along with the message,
and does not change the existing assumed type of a message.
The only software known to me
which creates or alters TOC entries
according to the presence of absence of any "Received:" header,
is the "Mailbox Tools for Eudora" (MTE) plugin by Brana Bujenovic,
which has a function for processing any mailbox containing
mixed message types, to set the type of each individual message
according to whether or not it contains a "Received:" header,
setting the type to incoming if it does or outgoing if it doesn't.
"Mailbox Tools for Eudora"
<http://www.drivehq.com/web/brana/mte.htm>
See "Update Sent-Received Status" action,
within "Update Message Summaries" tool.
The plugin is a free download, fully functional;
registering (US$17) permits functions to be performed
on multiple mailboxes at once.
Most functions first make a backup of each mailbox,
in case they crash during processing.
A similar extension is available for Thunderbird:
<http://www.ggbs.de/extensions/ShowInOut.html>
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David Morrison
Apr 3, 2013, 6:13:47 AM4/3/13
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In article <515BC743...@nomail.invalid>,
John H Meyers <jhme...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
Thanks for the useful information.
> Messages sent using a Gmail account on-line,
> if they are saved in "Sent Mail" online,
> will be downloaded by the first POP client
> to fetch messages from the same Gmail account,
> but since such messages are fetched into Eudora's "In" mailbox,
> they will be treated as received (incoming) messages.
Ah yes, I have noticed that.
> In Eudora, for POP accounts, mail is considered "outgoing"
> only if it is created in Eudora's own "Out" mailbox,
> or if its status is recreated by Eudora in file "Out.toc";
> all other messages (or re-created TOC entries)
> are treated as incoming messages.
Or if you fudge it as I described.
> The only software known to me
> which creates or alters TOC entries
> according to the presence of absence of any "Received:" header,
> is the "Mailbox Tools for Eudora" (MTE) plugin by Brana Bujenovic,
> which has a function for processing any mailbox containing
> mixed message types, to set the type of each individual message
> according to whether or not it contains a "Received:" header,
> setting the type to incoming if it does or outgoing if it doesn't.
Now that would have been useful years ago! Sadly it is a Windows
application and I am using Eudora Mac. The messages I sent to Gmail via
IMAP also have a Received: header, so some amount of editing would still
have been required.
Cheers
David
John H Meyers <jhme...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
Thanks for the useful information.
> Messages sent using a Gmail account on-line,
> if they are saved in "Sent Mail" online,
> will be downloaded by the first POP client
> to fetch messages from the same Gmail account,
> but since such messages are fetched into Eudora's "In" mailbox,
> they will be treated as received (incoming) messages.
> In Eudora, for POP accounts, mail is considered "outgoing"
> only if it is created in Eudora's own "Out" mailbox,
> or if its status is recreated by Eudora in file "Out.toc";
> all other messages (or re-created TOC entries)
> are treated as incoming messages.
> The only software known to me
> which creates or alters TOC entries
> according to the presence of absence of any "Received:" header,
> is the "Mailbox Tools for Eudora" (MTE) plugin by Brana Bujenovic,
> which has a function for processing any mailbox containing
> mixed message types, to set the type of each individual message
> according to whether or not it contains a "Received:" header,
> setting the type to incoming if it does or outgoing if it doesn't.
application and I am using Eudora Mac. The messages I sent to Gmail via
IMAP also have a Received: header, so some amount of editing would still
have been required.
Cheers
David
John H Meyers
Apr 3, 2013, 7:07:44 AM4/3/13
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On 4/3/2013 5:13 AM, David Morrison wrote:
> Now that would have been useful years ago!
> Sadly it is a Windows application and I am using Eudora Mac.
Oh well -- but you can run Windows in a VM on it, can't you,
> Now that would have been useful years ago!
> Sadly it is a Windows application and I am using Eudora Mac.
and then use Eudora for Windows? There's always hope ;-)
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David Morrison
Apr 5, 2013, 7:42:15 AM4/5/13
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In article <515C0D80...@nomail.invalid>,
Actually, I have always wondered how compatible Mac and Windows Eudoras
were. Is it as simple as just copying the Eudora Folder over? What
happens to TOCs, for example? If the are stored as separate files, I can
see it might be ok, but if stored as resources....
John H Meyers <jhme...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
were. Is it as simple as just copying the Eudora Folder over? What
happens to TOCs, for example? If the are stored as separate files, I can
see it might be ok, but if stored as resources....
John H Meyers
Apr 5, 2013, 4:45:16 PM4/5/13
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On 4/5/2013 6:42 AM, David Morrison wrote:
> I have always wondered how compatible Mac and Windows Eudoras
> were. Is it as simple as just copying the Eudora Folder over?
Unfortunately not.
> I have always wondered how compatible Mac and Windows Eudoras
> were. Is it as simple as just copying the Eudora Folder over?
> What happens to TOCs, for example?
so they must all be rebuilt -- after first changing the line endings
(CR<->CRLF) in all the mailboxes, and even the names and locations
of all the mailbox files :(
"Migrating from MAC to Windows"
<http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1333hq.html>
"Migrating From Windows to MAC"
<http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1644hq.html>
Windows and Mac versions of Eudora were independently developed,
and even though they have a lot in common, there are also
many differences, starting from the arrangement of files and folders,
the settings interface (and settings file), OS integration,
scripting (none in Windows),
curiously incompatible filter logic, and on and on...
When it comes to comparing "no Eudora at all on Lion+"
to "Eudora still runs on all versions of Windows," however,
the "executive overview" of the comparison changes :-)
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David Morrison
Apr 6, 2013, 8:34:26 AM4/6/13
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In article <515F37DC...@nomail.invalid>,
Classic MacOS.
So I would lose the status and label of every message. It seems that I
would probably also lose all the attachments since they are not
mentioned.
Not really much of an option for access to old messages. Possibly useful
for future e-mail though. Must have a play with it.
How does it work with IMAP? Does it open a mailbox window when a new
message arrives? (On Mac, it doesn't.)
John H Meyers <jhme...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
Wow, that is a *very* old document. It seems to have been written for
Classic MacOS.
So I would lose the status and label of every message. It seems that I
would probably also lose all the attachments since they are not
mentioned.
Not really much of an option for access to old messages. Possibly useful
for future e-mail though. Must have a play with it.
How does it work with IMAP? Does it open a mailbox window when a new
message arrives? (On Mac, it doesn't.)
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