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Donald G Porter  
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(3 users)  More options Mar 31, 12:10 pm
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From: Donald G Porter <d...@nist.gov>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:10:47 -0400
Local: Mon, Mar 31 2008 12:10 pm
Subject: Tcl/Tk 8.5.2 RELEASED
Tcl/Tk 8.5.2 Release Announcement
March 28, 2008

The Tcl Core Team is pleased to announce the 8.5.2 releases of the Tcl
dynamic language and the Tk toolkit.  This is the second patch release
of Tcl/Tk 8.5.  More details can be found below.  We would like to
express our gratitude to all those who submit bug reports and patches.
This information is invaluable in enabling us to identify and eliminate
problems in the core.

Where to get the new releases:
------------------------------

Tcl/Tk 8.5.2 sources are freely available as open source from the
Tcl Developer Xchange web site at:

         http://www.tcl.tk/software/tcltk/8.5.html

This web page also contains additional information about the releases,
including new features and notes about installing and compiling the
releases.  Sources are always available from the Tcl SourceForge
project's file distribution area:

         http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=10894

Binaries for most major platforms are available from:

         http://www.activestate.com/Tcl

For additional information:
---------------------------

Please visit the Tcl Developer Xchange web site:

         http://www.tcl.tk/

This site contains a variety of information about Tcl/Tk in general, the
core Tcl and Tk distributions, Tcl development tools, and much more.

Summary of Changes since Tcl/Tk 8.5.1:
--------------------------------------

The following were the main changes in Tcl/Tk 8.5.2.  A complete list
can be found in the changes file at the root of the source tree.  The
more complete ChangeLog is also included with each source release.  This
is a patch release, so it primarily included bug fixes and corrections
to erratic behavior.  Below are only the most notable changes.

   * New version 2.7 of http package:
     - [http::meta] command
     - [http::geturl] options: -myaddr -keepalive -protocol -strict -method
     - chunked transfer encoding support

   * Tcl Modules defined to use the utf-8 encoding *only*.
     *** POTENTIAL INCOMPATIBILITY for any existing Tcl Modules written
         in encodings not compatible with utf-8 ***

   * Improved refcount usability for Tcl_SetReturnOptions() and
     Tcl_AddObjToErrorInfo().
     *** POTENTIAL INCOMPATIBILITY for existing callers ***

   * Corrections to the Ttk_* interfaces to support stub-enabled callers.

   * Exposed Tcl_GetMemoryInfo() for AOLserver.

   * Fixed regexps ending in \*.

   * Made [::safe::loadTk] work again.

   * Fixed confusion in caching bytecode for scripts vs. expressions.

   * Fixed hang in [namespace delete] with variable unset traces.

   * Fixed crash following font failures (X11 --enable-xft).

   * Fixed crash in [. configure -cursor] (X11).

   * Fixed crash in [binary format x0s].

   * Fixed crash in Tcl_GetReturnOptions() during finalization.

   * Fixed memory leak in QD drawing (Aqua).

   * Fixed memory leaks in [return -level 0] and [format %llx $big].

   * Fixed memory leak in expr parser error message generation.

   * Fixed memory leak in enter execution trace.

   * Improved [clock format] performance.

   * Better support for 64bit Solaris builds.

   * New Tk demo: Knight's tour

--
Tcl Core Team and Maintainers
Don Porter, Tcl Core Release Manager

--
| Don Porter          Mathematical and Computational Sciences Division |
| donald.por...@nist.gov             Information Technology Laboratory |
| http://math.nist.gov/~DPorter/                                  NIST |
|______________________________________________________________________|


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vit...@gmail.com  
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(1 user)  More options Mar 31, 1:24 pm
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From: vit...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:24:04 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Mar 31 2008 1:24 pm
Subject: Re: Tcl/Tk 8.5.2 RELEASED
Thanks a lot, nice to see TCL development moving along.

Question for everyone involved or whoever cares to answer:

Is it possible/desirable to extend TCL core to add more functionality
to make the environment more transparent?

Example:
----------------------------------------------------
I have these namespaces: x::y1::z,x::y2::z, x::y3::x

If I want to see all commands in namespaces x::y1::z, x::y2::z,
x::y3::z
info commands x::*::z

In namespace x::y1::z
info commands x::*1::z

Find all namespaces below x::
namespace children x::*

Find all namespaces below x::y1 and x::y2
namespace children x::y*

----------------------------------------------------

Basically, add glob expansion to namespace and it's associated
commands (where it makes sense).  IMHO, that would make programming
with TCL much easier for a lot of people (including the humble
me) :) .


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vit...@gmail.com  
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(1 user)  More options Mar 31, 5:23 pm
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From: vit...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:23:41 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Mar 31 2008 5:23 pm
Subject: Re: Tcl/Tk 8.5.2 RELEASED
On Mar 31, 10:24 am, vit...@gmail.com wrote:

Since there is not much activity here, I reposted my question here:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.tcl/browse_thread/thread/a37...

Please go there to post your reply.


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Discussion subject changed to "Support for glob patterns in various commands (Was: Re: Tcl/Tk 8.5.2 RELEASED)" by Neil Madden
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(1 user)  More options Mar 31, 5:35 pm
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From: Neil Madden <n...@cs.nott.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:35:38 +0100
Local: Mon, Mar 31 2008 5:35 pm
Subject: Support for glob patterns in various commands (Was: Re: Tcl/Tk 8.5.2 RELEASED)

vit...@gmail.com wrote:
> Thanks a lot, nice to see TCL development moving along.

> Question for everyone involved or whoever cares to answer:

> Is it possible/desirable to extend TCL core to add more functionality
> to make the environment more transparent?

It is certainly possible to implement these things right now in pure Tcl
script. No need to extend the core.

> Example:
> ----------------------------------------------------
> I have these namespaces: x::y1::z,x::y2::z, x::y3::x

> If I want to see all commands in namespaces x::y1::z, x::y2::z,
> x::y3::z
> info commands x::*::z

set cmds [list]
foreach sub [namespace children x] {
    lappend cmds {*}[info commands $sub\::z::*]

}

> In namespace x::y1::z
> info commands x::*1::z

Similar to the above.

> Find all namespaces below x::
> namespace children x::*

This is just [namespace children x].

> Find all namespaces below x::y1 and x::y2
> namespace children x::y*

...and x::y3.

> ----------------------------------------------------

> Basically, add glob expansion to namespace and it's associated
> commands (where it makes sense).  IMHO, that would make programming
> with TCL much easier for a lot of people (including the humble
> me) :) .

I don't understand in what way this would make programming in Tcl
easier. It seems slightly odd to be wanting to glob match against
namespaces and commands in this way. What is it that you are trying to
accomplish? Is this for debugging or for building some sort of IDE? If
that is the case, then it seems that the solution is fairly simple already.

-- Neil


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From: vit...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:02:43 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Mar 31 2008 8:02 pm
Subject: Re: Support for glob patterns in various commands (Was: Re: Tcl/Tk 8.5.2 RELEASED)
On Mar 31, 2:35 pm, Neil Madden <n...@cs.nott.ac.uk> wrote:

See http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.tcl/browse_thread/thread/a37...

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Discussion subject changed to "Tcl/Tk 8.5.2 RELEASED" by Darren New
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(1 user)  More options Mar 31, 11:29 pm
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From: Darren New <d...@san.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:29:46 -0700
Local: Mon, Mar 31 2008 11:29 pm
Subject: Re: Tcl/Tk 8.5.2 RELEASED

Donald G Porter wrote:
> Tcl/Tk 8.5.2 Release Announcement

Is it me, or are these releases coming unusually closely spaced?

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Donal K. Fellows  
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From: "Donal K. Fellows" <donal.k.fell...@manchester.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:54:18 +0100
Local: Tues, Apr 1 2008 4:54 am
Subject: Re: Tcl/Tk 8.5.2 RELEASED

vit...@gmail.com wrote:
> Is it possible/desirable to extend TCL core to add more functionality
> to make the environment more transparent?

Yes, for 8.6. For the best chance to achieve this, supply a patch. :-)

> Basically, add glob expansion to namespace and it's associated
> commands (where it makes sense).  IMHO, that would make programming
> with TCL much easier for a lot of people (including the humble
> me) :) .

Adding glob-in-namespace-path support to various commands is possible,
but not quite as simple as you seem to think (as it internally needs
changes so that the "parse apart a qualified name" function can return
multiple namespaces). I suggest you try to make it work and report on
your experiences.

Don't forget to log a Feature Request at http://tcl.sourceforge.net/

Donal.


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Donal K. Fellows  
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From: "Donal K. Fellows" <donal.k.fell...@manchester.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:55:14 +0100
Local: Tues, Apr 1 2008 4:55 am
Subject: Re: Tcl/Tk 8.5.2 RELEASED

Darren New wrote:
> Donald G Porter wrote:
>> Tcl/Tk 8.5.2 Release Announcement

> Is it me, or are these releases coming unusually closely spaced?

We're trying to stop them being so disgustingly far apart... :-)

Donal.


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Larry W. Virden  
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From: "Larry W. Virden" <lvir...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 04:27:28 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Apr 1 2008 7:27 am
Subject: Re: Tcl/Tk 8.5.2 RELEASED
On Mar 31, 11:29 pm, Darren New <d...@san.rr.com> wrote:
> Donald G Porter wrote:
> > Tcl/Tk 8.5.2 Release Announcement

> Is it me, or are these releases coming unusually closely spaced?

About 2-3 months ago, a roadmap for this year's progress was posted
over on the TCT mailing list. One of the objectives was to get to Tcl
8.6, which would include OOTcl as well as address a common request of
having more frequent releases of bug fixes and features. It was over 5
years between Tcl 8.4.0 and 8.5.0. However, note that early in the Tcl
8.4.x series, there were 4 8.4.x releases a year (2003 and 2004). A
month between releases isn't a precendent - not even the shortest
length (Tcl 8.4.8 - 8.4.9 was 16 days

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Discussion subject changed to "Support for glob patterns in various commands (Was: Re: Tcl/Tk 8.5.2 RELEASED)" by Eric
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From: Eric <e...@deptj.demon.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 13:45:47 +0100
Local: Tues, Apr 1 2008 8:45 am
Subject: Re: Support for glob patterns in various commands (Was: Re: Tcl/Tk 8.5.2 RELEASED)
On 2008-04-01, vit...@gmail.com <vit...@gmail.com> wrote:

That reference is no use whatsoever to the many of us who do not use
Google Groups as an interface to the Usenet newsgroup!

E


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