ANNOUNCE: Tile widget set, release 0.7.8
Joe English
ANNOUNCE: Tile Widget Set, version 0.7.8.
~ What is it?
The Tile widget set is an experimental reimplementation
of some of the standard Tk widgets. The main features are:
+ Native look and feel under Windows (XP, NT, and 2K)
+ Nearly-native look and feel under Mac OSX
+ "Revitalized" look and feel under X11
+ Appearance controlled by a theme engine, providing
greater flexibility for custom widgets
+ New widgets, including notebook, progressbar, combobox,
separator, and sizegrip.
~ What's New in 0.7.8
+ A [ttk::sizegrip] widget has been added (that's the gizmo
sometimes seen in the lower right corner that resizes
the window when dragged).
+ The [ttk::treeview] widget now supports item tags,
similar to the Text and Canvas widgets. [$tv tag bind]
and [$tv tag configure] methods are supported.
+ The [ttk::treeview] widget now supports -selectmode {browse|extended|none}
The default selection behavior has been improved, and
'-selectmode none' combined with tag bindings make it
possible to implement other behaviors if desired.
+ All widgets now have an 'identify' method, for better
megawidget support.
+ A few more bugfixes and minor L&F improvements.
+ POTENTIAL INCOMPATIBILITY: Widget options now take precedence
over [style map] settings. (This is usually the desired behavior).
~ Forward Compatibility
Due to popular demand, the [ttk::paned] widget will be
renamed to [ttk::panedwindow] in the next release.
To smooth the transition, [ttk::panedwindow] is now
available as a synonym (either one will work in 0.7.8;
in 0.8.0 the old name will become deprecated).
~ Stability
The script-level API for widgets may be considered stable at
this point, with the exception of procedures in the 'tile::*'
namespace and the [ttk::paned] widget, which will be renamed.
Theme definitions are still subject to change: user-defined
themes will need to be revised in the 0.8 series.
~ A note on version numbers
To help distinguish formal releases from CVS snapshots,
the subminor version number will be incremented immediately before
and immediately after making a release. Thus odd-numbered subminor
versions indicate a CVS snapshot, and even-numbered ones indicate
a known release.
~ Availability
The tile widget set is hosted under the tktable project
at SourceForge:
<URL: http://tktable.sourceforge.net/tile/ >
<URL: http://sourceforge.net/projects/tktable/ >
Sources are available under the 'tile' module in CVS.
A prebundled tarball is available in the file release area:
<URL: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=11464 >
Documentation is available here:
Adrian Davis
> [5 Oct 2006]
>
> ANNOUNCE: Tile Widget Set, version 0.7.8.
>
Are Windows binaries available for the latest release?
Thanks,
=Adrian=
Pat Thoyts
>Joe English wrote:
>> [5 Oct 2006]
>>
>> ANNOUNCE: Tile Widget Set, version 0.7.8.
>>
>
>Are Windows binaries available for the latest release?
>
Soon.
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Koen Danckaert
>
> + A [ttk::sizegrip] widget has been added (that's the gizmo
> sometimes seen in the lower right corner that resizes
> the window when dragged).
Hi,
I tried the sizegrip widget on Windows and noted a minor issue: the window contents are always shown while resizing with the sizegrip, whereas this is normally controlled by Display Properties->Appearance->Effects->"Show window contents while dragging".
I also tried it on Linux (RedHat EL 3.0 with fvwm2), where I saw the same issue. In addition, there was a strange effect when I used the sizegrip for the first time on a window: the window suddenly moves about 20 pixels higher (before it starts resizing).
(I suppose Linux issues are not important since this widget is probably only intended for Windows...)
Regards,
Koen
Googie
> (I suppose Linux issues are not important since this widget is probably
> only intended for Windows...)
Do you mean Linux desktop doesn't need such widget?
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Googie
Joe English
>Joe English wrote:
>> + A [ttk::sizegrip] widget has been added (that's the gizmo
>> sometimes seen in the lower right corner that resizes
>> the window when dragged).
>
>window contents are always shown while resizing with the sizegrip,
>whereas this is normally controlled by Display
>Properties->Appearance->Effects->"Show window contents while dragging".
Yep. Doing non-opaque resizing correctly takes some deep
platform-specific voodoo that I don't know how to implement yet.
(Known issue, but somewhat low-priority).
>I also tried it on Linux (RedHat EL 3.0 with fvwm2), where I saw the
>same issue. In addition, there was a strange effect when I used the
>sizegrip for the first time on a window: the window suddenly moves about
>20 pixels higher (before it starts resizing).
Crap. I was afraid something like that might happen under
some WM or another. FWIW, I haven't been able to replicate
this problem under any of the WMs I've tried (including fvwm 2.5,
using the default configuration as found in Debian).
A few questions: What version of fvwm are you using?
How is it configured, and which OS are you using?
How did you set up the toplevel window (in particular,
did you use anything like [wm sizefrom] or [wm positionfrom])?
>(I suppose Linux issues are not important since this widget is probably
>only intended for Windows...)
A few Gnome and KDE applications also use sizegrips.
It's mostly useful under OSX -- the widget itself will be
masked by the built-in sizegrip supplied by AquaTk,
but it's useful as a placeholder for geometry management.
--Joe English
Koen Danckaert
>> same issue. In addition, there was a strange effect when I used the
>> sizegrip for the first time on a window: the window suddenly moves about
>> 20 pixels higher (before it starts resizing).
>
> Crap. I was afraid something like that might happen under
> some WM or another. FWIW, I haven't been able to replicate
> this problem under any of the WMs I've tried (including fvwm 2.5,
> using the default configuration as found in Debian).
>
> A few questions: What version of fvwm are you using?
> How is it configured, and which OS are you using?
OS is Redhat EL 3.0 (Linux 2.4.21-27.ELsmp)
Fvwm version is 2.4.19 (= latest stable release).
Tk version is 8.4.12
Fvwm configuration: here is the part of my .fvwm2rc file which could be relevant. (But I already tried to remove all these settings, and the problem persists.)
IgnoreModifiers L2
DeskTopSize 1x1
EdgeResistance 10000 10000
EdgeScroll 0 0
EdgeThickness 0
OpaqueMoveSize 0
MenuStyle * Fvwm, Foreground navyblue, Background aquamarine, Greyed slategray
MenuStyle * Font -adobe-helvetica-bold-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-*-*
MenuStyle * TitleUnderlines2
ButtonStyle 4 4 35x35@0 65x50@1 35x65@0 35x35@1
ButtonStyle 6 4 50x35@1 65x65@0 35x65@0 50x35@1
ButtonStyle 8 5 40x40@1 60x40@1 60x60@0 40x60@0 40x40@1
CursorStyle Resize fleur
ColormapFocus FollowsFocus
Style * Font -adobe-helvetica-medium-r-*-*-*-130-*-*-*-*-*-*
Style * IconFont fixed
Style * HilightFore black, HilightBack darkturquoise
Style * BorderWidth 5, HandleWidth 5
Style * Icon unknown1.xpm, Color white/gray60
Style * MWMFunctions, MWMDecor, HintOverride
Style * DecorateTransient, DontStackTransientParent, NoPPosition
Style * IconBox -50 100 -0 -200, IconFill bottom right
Style * ClickToFocus
Style * TileCascadePlacement
> How did you set up the toplevel window (in particular,
> did you use anything like [wm sizefrom] or [wm positionfrom])?
The problem already shows up with the following script:
package require tile
pack [frame .f -width 200 -height 200]
pack [ttk::sizegrip .grip] -side bottom -anchor e
In fact, every time I move the window using the WM, it will again make this "jump" next time the sizegrip is used. Same after resizing with the top or left window border, but *not* after resizing with the right or bottom border (or the sizegrip itself).
Regards,
Koen
Arjen Markus
That results
in the rather disappointing message about instructions that try to do
something
illegal.
Could you please add a check that the _patch level_ is high enough?
Otherwise, the demo is looking great.
Regards,
Arjen
Kroc
% package require tile
couldn't find procedure Tile_Init
If it could help, here's what grep returns:
~/Desktop/tile078.vfs/lib dzolli$ grep -R Tile_Init tile
Binary file tile/Linux-x86/tile078.so matches
Binary file tile/SunOS-sparc/tile078.so matches
Binary file tile/Windows-x86/tile078.dll matches
Is it a known bug?
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David Zolli - Kroc
George Peter Staplin
> I tried the tile kit with too old a version of wish (8.4.1) on Windows.
> That results
> in the rather disappointing message about instructions that try to do
> something
> illegal.
From what I was told by Pat Thoyts some time ago they had to export some
more internal stub functions, so that Tile for Tcl in Windows would
work. Try a more recent tclkit or wish.
> Could you please add a check that the _patch level_ is high enough?
I'm not sure they *can* do that. The way the stubs loading is
implemented may not allow it. For instance right now you get faults if
you try to load an 8.5 extension into an 8.4 interp. I pointed out this
flaw and was basically told it can't be fixed easily.
Pat Thoyts
We did used to do this for windows. We can avoid supplying the package
if the patchlevel is < 8.4.6. I forgot to use the modified pkgIndex is
all. You're correct about the stubs change. 8.4.6 got a couple of
internal stubs functions to get HDCs on windows. Should have been
released as 8.5 back then IMO. Changing interfaces in a minor release,
tut tut tut.
Pat Thoyts
Should be ok. schelte bron supplied the MacOSX binaries but build the
ppc one on an Intel mac. Maybe a problem there. Or maybe there is an
os version issue (c library perhaps). You'll need to examine the
library file more closely than grep. ldd tile.dylib maybe?
Kroc
> Should be ok. schelte bron supplied the MacOSX binaries but build the
> ppc one on an Intel mac. Maybe a problem there. Or maybe there is an
> os version issue (c library perhaps). You'll need to examine the
> library file more closely than grep. ldd tile.dylib maybe?
otool -L tile078.vfs/lib/tile/Darwin-ppc/tile078.dylib
tile078.vfs/lib/tile/Darwin-ppc/tile078.dylib:
libtile0.7.8.dylib (compatibility version 0.0.0, current
version 0.0.0)
/System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Carbon
(compatibility version 2.0.0, current version 128.0.0)
/usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0,
current version 88.1.6)
I tried with tclkit 8.4.11 ppc aqua, 8.4.13 ppc aqua and 8.4.13 univ
aqua, all from equi4.com.
Schelte Bron
> "Kroc" <kr...@kroc.tk> writes:
>
>>I tried tile078.kit on Mac OS X 10.4.8 PPC and it doesn't works:
>>
>>% package require tile
>>couldn't find procedure Tile_Init
>>
> the ppc one on an Intel mac. Maybe a problem there. Or maybe there
> is an os version issue (c library perhaps). You'll need to examine
> the library file more closely than grep. ldd tile.dylib maybe?
>
guess I must have failed to do a final check after we included the
stripped versions of the libraries.
I just tried re-wrapping the kit with the unstripped libraries, and
then it's working fine again.
Pat, do you still have the unstripped versions of the dylibs I once
sent you? They are not all that much bigger than the stripped ones,
so I suggest we just include those. At least they work.
Schelte.
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Schelte Bron wrote:
> Pat Thoyts wrote:
> > "Kroc" <kr...@kroc.tk> writes:
> >
> >>I tried tile078.kit on Mac OS X 10.4.8 PPC and it doesn't works:
> >>
> >>% package require tile
> >>couldn't find procedure Tile_Init
AFAICT the problem seems to come from the tile dylib.
There is no Tile_Init symbol exported :
$ nm tile078.dylib | grep Tile_Init
The same test on the 0.7.2 release produces the following output :
$ nm libtile0.7.2.dylib | grep Tile_Init
00001bc8 T _Tile_Init
Full list of exported symbols follows:
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Hope it helps,
Xavier
Kevin Walzer
Why build the Aqua .dylibs for each architecture (PPC and x86)? It is
much cleaner to build them as universal binaries. I've been building
Tile as a universal binary and shipping it with my own applications for
months. At the very least, build them separately and then lipo them
together.
--
Kevin Walzer
Poetic Code
http://www.kevin-walzer.com
xgar...@gmail.com
> much cleaner to build them as universal binaries. I've been building
> Tile as a universal binary and shipping it with my own applications for
> months. At the very least, build them separately and then lipo them
> together.
This is not a joke :
Isn't a universal binary only a folder containing two builds ?
Regards,
Xavier
Kevin Walzer
There are two ways to build a universal binary on OS X.
1. Configure as a universal binary from the get-go using flags like this:
export CFLAGS="-arch ppc -arch i386 -isysroot
/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk -mmacosx-version-min=10.4"
Then run configure, make, etc. as usual. This build would have to be
done on OS X 10.4 with Xcode 2.4 installed and gcc 4.0. This is how I do
it. The build has to link to libraries that are themselves universal
binaries, i.e. the Tcl and Tk libraries have to be universal as well.
2. Build separately for each architecture and then use the "lipo"
command to bind them together:
lipo -o libtile-universal.dylib libtile-x86.dylib libtile-ppc.dylib
(or something like that).
--Kevin
Eric Hassold
> This is not a joke :
> Isn't a universal binary only a folder containing two builds ?
No, this is a single binary (exe, dynamic library, etc...) file which
contains several copies for different architectures. The "lipo" command
line utility can be used to add, list or extract files embedded into
this universal container.
Kevin Walzer wrote:
> At the very least, build them separately and then lipo them
> together.
AFAIK, directly compiling universal object files from compiler (passing
several architectures to compiler with -arch flag) doesn't produce
better code than compiling separately then merge with lipo. Also,
compiling on an Intel machine for deployment on 10.2/10.3 systems
requires to build the PPC version using 10.3.9 SDK, with specific
CFLAGS, and the Intel version with 10.4 SDK with other flags. Hence,
building PPC and Intel versions separately, and merging them with lipo,
was (from our experience in providing eTcl for MaxOSX as universal
binary) not "the very least" option but actually best option, if not the
only functional solution to produce universal binary supporting
deployment on all (includign older) Mac platforms (from PPC 10.2+).
Eric
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Eric Hassold
Evolane - http://www.evolane.com/
Schelte Bron
> Why build the Aqua .dylibs for each architecture (PPC and x86)? It
> is much cleaner to build them as universal binaries. I've been
> building Tile as a universal binary and shipping it with my own
> applications for months. At the very least, build them separately
> and then lipo them together.
>
the Mac too. To find the correct library the pkgIndex file combines
the os and machine type and uses the resulting value as the name of
a directory. To be able to use a universal binary for the Mac means
that additional code would be needed to end up with the same
directory name for both x86 and ppc.
Universal binaries were invented to solve a problem that has already
been solved in the kit. And the solution in the kit is more general
because it works for all platforms. You could actually see the tile
kit as a universal binary for linux, mac, solaris and windows.
Size is also not an argument since a Mac universal library is bigger
than the x86 and ppc libraries together. So, in this specific case
it's not cleaner to use a universal binary. It actually complicates
things without bringing any benefits.
Kroc
> The published kit also doesn't work for me on the Mac anymore. I
> guess I must have failed to do a final check after we included the
> stripped versions of the libraries.
>
> I just tried re-wrapping the kit with the unstripped libraries, and
> then it's working fine again.
I also try the unstripped libraries Schelte gently sent me and it works
for me too.
jo...@swri.edu
In case it helps, I found if I used strip without parameters, universal
binaries can be messed up in some ways.
However, if you do a "strip -x -S", it reduces the size somewhat, and
still works universally. This is only on Mac and universal binaries.
HTH,
Joey
Kevin Walzer
>
> AFAIK, directly compiling universal object files from compiler (passing
> several architectures to compiler with -arch flag) doesn't produce
> better code than compiling separately then merge with lipo.
"Better code" isn't really the point. It's less work to compile as a
universal binary in terms of the number of steps you have to take:
compile once, or compile twice + lipo.
Also,
> compiling on an Intel machine for deployment on 10.2/10.3 systems
> requires to build the PPC version using 10.3.9 SDK, with specific
> CFLAGS, and the Intel version with 10.4 SDK with other flags. Hence,
> building PPC and Intel versions separately, and merging them with lipo,
> was (from our experience in providing eTcl for MaxOSX as universal
> binary) not "the very least" option but actually best option, if not the
> only functional solution to produce universal binary supporting
> deployment on all (includign older) Mac platforms (from PPC 10.2+).
Of course, if you are supporting older versions of OS X, then lipo does
become the better (indeed, the only) option.
Pat Thoyts
I've updated the kit file at tktable.sourceforge.net with new Darwin-*
binaries. It also handles the Windows tclkit < 8.4.6 too (by not
providing the package)