This post is especially cynical and pessimistic.
On Aug 22, 9:02 am, dr.tfgor...@googlemail.com wrote:
> On 22 Aug., 08:34, b...@cs.berkeley.edu (Brian Harvey) wrote:There's many reasons for that:
> > Not especially. We tell our students that the tools they're going to use in
> The sad thing for me is that good tools have been invented, long ago,
outline a few of my own personal moments of rage against the machine.
> There is reason to think there is new windowNo. There really isn't. The requirements of corporate software
> of opportunity which R6RS can take advantage of to help disseminate
> these tools.
development are antithetical to high-quality engineering. The
situation is not entirely different from the construction of the
railroads in the US during the 19th century. The engineering was done
in such a hurry that the bridges regularly fell down. In fact, it was
so bad that Jules Verne used the untrustworthiness of the American
railroads as one of Phileas Fogg's obstacles to overcome in _Around
the World in 80 Days_.
My point being that 'cost-effective' engineering is not the same as
And the really depressing thing is that it will *never* change. I am
> > Your suggestion that a lot of Scheme programming jobs would make it easier toYES YES YES!!! Go Brian!
> > teach Scheme misses the point, I think. We're not "teaching Scheme." I spend
> > about an hour teaching Scheme, and for the rest of the semester I /use/ Scheme
> > to teach /computer science/.
> But wouldn't a commercially successfulOnly for about the next year. Then there will be a new buzzword
> Scheme make it easier for more educators to elect to teach using
clamoring for compliance. Trying to surf the market wave is a losing
> I think you are being too pessimistic, honestly. Wouldn't a R6RSThis is the *essence* of most of the 'no' votes. The R5.97RS is not
> library defining some suitable subset for teaching purposes, close
> to R5RS Scheme, meet your needs?
factored correctly to make that possible. It's that simple. That's why
I keep hoping that sense will break out somewhere. And it's not just
important for education, either.
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