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Mitchell Wand  
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(3 users)  More options Sep 14 2006, 3:46 pm
Newsgroups: comp.lang.scheme, comp.lang.lisp
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From: "Mitchell Wand" <mwa...@gmail.com>
Date: 14 Sep 2006 12:46:18 -0700
Local: Thurs, Sep 14 2006 3:46 pm
Subject: R6RS Draft Available
I am extremely pleased to announce that a draft version of R6RS is now
available at www.r6rs.org .  A copy will also be posted on
schemers.org .

The charter provides for a six-month public comment period.  Therefore
the editors, in consultation with the steering committee, have
provided a mechanism for comment and discussion.  Details are also at
www.r6rs.org .

The comment period is now open and will continue until March 15, 2007.

The steering committee thanks the editors for their intensive work on
the draft R6RS, and looks forward to the public comment period.

Enjoy!

For the Steering Committee,
--Mitch Wand


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Ron Garret  
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(1 user)  More options Sep 15 2006, 1:04 am
Newsgroups: comp.lang.scheme
From: Ron Garret <rNOSPA...@flownet.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:04:25 -0700
Local: Fri, Sep 15 2006 1:04 am
Subject: Re: R6RS Draft Available
In article <1158263178.510926.263...@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
 "Mitchell Wand" <mwa...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I am extremely pleased to announce that a draft version of R6RS is now
> available at www.r6rs.org

133 pages.  Oh my!

rg


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Dragontamer  
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(1 user)  More options Sep 15 2006, 1:06 am
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From: "Dragontamer" <prtig...@gmail.com>
Date: 14 Sep 2006 22:06:19 -0700
Local: Fri, Sep 15 2006 1:06 am
Subject: Re: R6RS Draft Available

Ron Garret wrote:
> In article <1158263178.510926.263...@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
>  "Mitchell Wand" <mwa...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > I am extremely pleased to announce that a draft version of R6RS is now
> > available at www.r6rs.org

> 133 pages.  Oh my!

> rg

A lot of them are from the libraries.

--Dragontamer


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Kalle Olavi Niemitalo  
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(1 user)  More options Sep 15 2006, 2:56 am
Newsgroups: comp.lang.scheme
From: Kalle Olavi Niemitalo <k...@iki.fi>
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:56:04 +0300
Local: Fri, Sep 15 2006 2:56 am
Subject: Re: R6RS Draft Available

"Mitchell Wand" <mwa...@gmail.com> writes:
> I am extremely pleased to announce that a draft version of R6RS is now
> available at www.r6rs.org .  A copy will also be posted on
> schemers.org .

In section 3.2.1 of draft 5.91, there is this definition:

  <initial> --> <constituent> | <special initial>
      | <symbol escape>

However, <symbol escape> doesn't seem to be defined anywhere,
and no such mechanism is described in section 3.2.3 either.

(Am I supposed to write "Section" with a capital S?
There is both "cf. Section 3.3.1" and "see section 9.13".)

I am pleasantly surprised by the semicolon in the "\x123;" syntax.

> The charter provides for a six-month public comment period.  Therefore
> the editors, in consultation with the steering committee, have
> provided a mechanism for comment and discussion.  Details are also at
> www.r6rs.org .

Apparently requires subscribing to a mailing list.

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Ray Dillinger  
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(1 user)  More options Sep 15 2006, 4:32 am
Newsgroups: comp.lang.scheme
From: Ray Dillinger <b...@sonic.net>
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 01:32:31 -0700
Local: Fri, Sep 15 2006 4:32 am
Subject: Re: R6RS Draft Available

Kalle Olavi Niemitalo wrote:

> I am pleasantly surprised by the semicolon in the "\x123;" syntax.

I'm a little annoyed by it actually.  It's a semicolon but doesn't
introduce a comment, so it  introduces states and transitions that
the lexer didn't actually need, and makes converting source back and
forth between ASCII and Unicode require some parsing rather than just
simple patternmatching.

I'm glad there's a terminator there.  I just wish it wasn't a
semicolon that doesn't introduce a comment.  Even with the small
complications of it being a semicolon that doesn't introduce a
comment, it's better than the "different introductory
characters signal different hex escape lengths at least one of
which is utterly useless" meme that was first proposed.

                                Bear


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Anton van Straaten  
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(1 user)  More options Sep 15 2006, 4:30 am
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From: Anton van Straaten <an...@appsolutions.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:30:45 GMT
Local: Fri, Sep 15 2006 4:30 am
Subject: Re: R6RS Draft Available

Kalle Olavi Niemitalo wrote:
>>The charter provides for a six-month public comment period.  Therefore
>>the editors, in consultation with the steering committee, have
>>provided a mechanism for comment and discussion.  Details are also at
>>www.r6rs.org .

> Apparently requires subscribing to a mailing list.

If you like, you can set your preferences on the mailing list so as not
to receive messages from it.  The reason for requiring a subscribtion is
purely pragmatic: formal comments that are accepted are forwarded to the
mailing list, and to control spam and so on, the mailing list requires
the originator of a message to be subscribed.

Anton


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ivant  
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(1 user)  More options Sep 15 2006, 4:35 am
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From: "ivant" <itosh...@gmail.com>
Date: 15 Sep 2006 01:35:10 -0700
Local: Fri, Sep 15 2006 4:35 am
Subject: Re: R6RS Draft Available

Mitchell Wand wrote:
> I am extremely pleased to announce that a draft version of R6RS is now
> available at www.r6rs.org .  A copy will also be posted on
> schemers.org .

Is there a summary of what has changed from R5RS?

--
Ivan


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Anton van Straaten  
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 More options Sep 15 2006, 5:28 am
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From: Anton van Straaten <an...@appsolutions.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:28:55 GMT
Local: Fri, Sep 15 2006 5:28 am
Subject: Re: R6RS Draft Available

ivant wrote:
> Mitchell Wand wrote:

>>I am extremely pleased to announce that a draft version of R6RS is now
>>available at www.r6rs.org .  A copy will also be posted on
>>schemers.org .

> Is there a summary of what has changed from R5RS?

See the status report from June 2006:

   http://schemers.org/Documents/Standards/Charter/

It predates the new draft, but the overall picture is there.


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Ron Garret  
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(1 user)  More options Sep 15 2006, 11:30 am
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From: Ron Garret <rNOSPA...@flownet.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:30:19 -0700
Local: Fri, Sep 15 2006 11:30 am
Subject: Re: R6RS Draft Available
In article <450a64a6$0$96151$742ec...@news.sonic.net>,
 Ray Dillinger <b...@sonic.net> wrote:

> Kalle Olavi Niemitalo wrote:

> > I am pleasantly surprised by the semicolon in the "\x123;" syntax.

> I'm a little annoyed by it actually.  It's a semicolon but doesn't
> introduce a comment, so it  introduces states and transitions that
> the lexer didn't actually need, and makes converting source back and
> forth between ASCII and Unicode require some parsing rather than just
> simple patternmatching.

> I'm glad there's a terminator there.

Why?  It seems to be that whitespace makes an adequate terminator.

rg


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Rob Thorpe  
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 More options Sep 15 2006, 12:12 pm
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From: "Rob Thorpe" <robert.tho...@antenova.com>
Date: 15 Sep 2006 09:12:30 -0700
Local: Fri, Sep 15 2006 12:12 pm
Subject: Re: R6RS Draft Available

Ron Garret wrote:
> In article <1158263178.510926.263...@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
>  "Mitchell Wand" <mwa...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > I am extremely pleased to announce that a draft version of R6RS is now
> > available at www.r6rs.org

> 133 pages.  Oh my!

You looked at the contents page, the last page mentioned there is 133.
But the document is 142 pages long.

I'm not sure that the simplicity of a language has much to do with the
length of it's standard definition though.  The standard definition is
made to describe many things that are only of real interest to
implementors, not to general users.  Scheme is a simple language with a
fairly simple standard, but it doesn't always seem to correlate
strongly in that way.


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Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk  
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 More options Sep 15 2006, 12:58 pm
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From: Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk <qrc...@knm.org.pl>
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:58:06 +0200
Local: Fri, Sep 15 2006 12:58 pm
Subject: Re: R6RS Draft Available

Ron Garret <rNOSPA...@flownet.com> writes:
>> > I am pleasantly surprised by the semicolon in the "\x123;" syntax.

>> I'm a little annoyed by it actually.  It's a semicolon but doesn't
>> introduce a comment, so it  introduces states and transitions that
>> the lexer didn't actually need, and makes converting source back and
>> forth between ASCII and Unicode require some parsing rather than just
>> simple patternmatching.

>> I'm glad there's a terminator there.

> Why?  It seems to be that whitespace makes an adequate terminator.

This applies to string literals.

I'm also glad about this detail, and about the R6RS direction in
general. The "\x123;" syntax with a semicolon happens to coincide
with my language.

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   __("<         Marcin Kowalczyk
   \__/       qrc...@knm.org.pl
    ^^     http://qrnik.knm.org.pl/~qrczak/


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