ilias wrote: > > I suspect that John Grossman's book will answer your question.
> > David
> we are in usenet.
> many people follow discussions.
> it is more friendly, if the information is provided directly.
> have you the information?
> why don't you share it with me?
> why don't you share it with the other people which are reading?
There is no one-line answer. Grossman has an entire chapter on issues relating to this question. I can't post the whole thing here. If you're not willing to go to a library, I don't think I can help you.
>>>I suspect that John Grossman's book will answer your question.
>>>David
>>we are in usenet.
>>many people follow discussions.
>>it is more friendly, if the information is provided directly.
>>have you the information?
>>why don't you share it with me?
>>why don't you share it with the other people which are reading?
> There is no one-line answer. Grossman has an entire chapter on > issues relating to this question. I can't post the whole thing here. > If you're not willing to go to a library, I don't think I can help > you.
> David
i cannot go to a library.
you say: explaining this needs a whole chapter of a book?
you are not able to tell me a summary?
btw: www.amazon.com does not show many things about John Grossman.
ilias <at_n...@pontos.net> writes: > primary: > - medium violation (must stay in usenet, internet thus my results can > be used be anyone who has a connection)
You can't go to a library, because your results must be posted? Why not go to the library and look it up, and then post the results, instead of demanding that someone else do it for you?
> additionally: > - i don't know where a library is.
It's where they have books you can read and borrow.
> - going to the library interupts thinking-flow.
That's got to be the funniest thing I've read in a long time.
A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, g...@jpl.nasa.gov (Erann Gat) wrote:
> In article <amsst9$hf...@usenet.otenet.gr>, ilias <at_n...@pontos.net> wrote:
>> i cannot go to a library.
> Why not?
Apparently there are women at libraries, and this would distract him beyond reason.
(I am having visions of Jim Belushi making excuses in _Blues Brothers_ as to why his ex-girlfriend shouldn't kill him...) -- (concatenate 'string "cbbrowne" "@ntlug.org") http://cbbrowne.com/info/lisp.html "I think it would be great if MS would make VB the favoured language for Palm PC's. Then they'd have a shaky, bloated, slow OS running the shaky, bloated, slow macro-apps." -- <garyd...@nospam.idirect.com>
> >>primary: > >>- medium violation (must stay in usenet, internet thus my results can > >>be used be anyone who has a connection) > > You can't go to a library, because your results must be posted? Why > > not go to the library and look it up, and then post the results,
> cause this cannot be verified from other people without going to a library.
If he wrote it out and posted it, how would you verify that?
> i don't know where it is.
I think the first step of an educated person upon moving to a new community is to find out where the library is.
The first step of an uneducated person is finding out where to get an education. The nice people at the college will tell you where the library is.
> and when i see nice ladies, i cannot assimilate lisp anymore.
I see the problem now, you're thinking with the wrong head.
> Why's John McCarthy not mentioned (as the inventor/designer of LISP) > in the R5RS document?
Among other things because
1) It's already exceedingly well known, and 2) He's not the sole inventor.
>>>>primary: >>>>- medium violation (must stay in usenet, internet thus my results can >>>>be used be anyone who has a connection)
>>>You can't go to a library, because your results must be posted? Why >>>not go to the library and look it up, and then post the results,
>>cause this cannot be verified from other people without going to a library.
> If he wrote it out and posted it, how would you verify that?
without a library.
verification and as far as possible.
with thinking.
the summary i've asked for.
>>i don't know where it is.
> I think the first step of an educated person upon moving to a new > community is to find out where the library is. > The first step of an uneducated person is finding out where to get an > education. > The nice people at the college will tell you where the > library is.
feel free to think whatever you want to think.
feel free to ignore my primary rule:
>>>>primary: >>>>- medium violation (must stay in usenet, internet thus my results can >>>>be used be anyone who has a connection) your solution.
as i feel free to ignore your comments.
>>and when i see nice ladies, i cannot assimilate lisp anymore.
> I see the problem now, you're thinking with the wrong head.
wrong?
no way.
just another.
every head should think.
without annoying the other head.
of course this is very subjective.
>>Why's John McCarthy not mentioned (as the inventor/designer of LISP) >>in the R5RS document?
so, we are in topic!
> Among other things because
> 1) It's already exceedingly well known, and
aha.
so this is a reason, to not state an inventor/designer ?
If you document a theory, which is based on Albert Einsteins Theory, you will not state Albert Einstein, cause it is exceedingly well known.
>>>I suspect that John Grossman's book will answer your question.
>>>David
>>we are in usenet.
>>many people follow discussions.
>>it is more friendly, if the information is provided directly.
>>have you the information?
>>why don't you share it with me?
>>why don't you share it with the other people which are reading?
> There is no one-line answer. Grossman has an entire chapter on > issues relating to this question. I can't post the whole thing here. > If you're not willing to go to a library, I don't think I can help > you.
>>>> I suspect that John Grossman's book will answer your question.
>>>> David
>>> we are in usenet.
>>> many people follow discussions.
>>> it is more friendly, if the information is provided directly.
>>> have you the information?
>>> why don't you share it with me?
>>> why don't you share it with the other people which are reading?
>> There is no one-line answer. Grossman has an entire chapter on >> issues relating to this question. I can't post the whole thing here. >> If you're not willing to go to a library, I don't think I can help >> you.
> www.amazon.com => find nothing about John Grossmann Scheme
> well, is this your second public missinformation you gave in this > newsgroup?
> or is there an explanation?
you anwered me in another topic ( 3D930A86.1A85C...@his.com ):
>> I really and truly do think that the answer to your question about >> McCarthy and the R5RS standard can be found in Grossman's book. I >> suggest you go to the library and check it out.
" The report gives a de ning description of the program- ming language Scheme. Scheme is a statically scoped and properly tail-recursive dialect of the Lisp programming language invented by Guy Lewis Steele Jr. and Gerald Jay Sussman. "
my english is not the best.
but is the above paragraph not a little missleading?
e.g. for a newcomer which learns scheme and does not know about lisp history?
the word "invented" connects to the word "Scheme".
but isn't it possible to understand it wrong?
to connect "invented" to the immediately following "Lisp programming language"?
especially as there is no reference to the inventor/designer of Lisp, John McCarth?
> " > The report gives a de ning description of the program- > ming language Scheme. Scheme is a statically scoped and > properly tail-recursive dialect of the Lisp programming > language invented by Guy Lewis Steele Jr. and Gerald > Jay Sussman. > "
> my english is not the best.
> but is the above paragraph not a little missleading?
> e.g. for a newcomer which learns scheme and does not know about lisp > history?
> the word "invented" connects to the word "Scheme".
> but isn't it possible to understand it wrong?
> to connect "invented" to the immediately following "Lisp programming > language"?
If your quote is verbatim then you are correct. It's like saying "my vehicle caught on fire, so I grabbed my dog out of the back seat and smothered it with a wet blanket".
You should contact the author(s) of the document you cited and let them know. I don't think email will violate your medium clause.
In article <amups3$e6...@usenet.otenet.gr>, ilias <at_n...@pontos.net> wrote: > >>finally: > >>- no cash.
> > Most public libraries do not require any.
> again, from another answer:
> >> almost.
> >> and the taxis are not. > (free)
My goodness! You must really be in dire straights. Tell you what: if you send me your address I will arrange to have a copy of the book in question shipped to you at no cost.
Brian Palmer wrote: > > " > > The report gives a dening description of the program- > > ming language Scheme. Scheme is a statically scoped and > > properly tail-recursive dialect of the Lisp programming > > language invented by Guy Lewis Steele Jr. and Gerald > > Jay Sussman. > > " > If your quote is verbatim then you are correct. It's like saying "my > vehicle caught on fire, so I grabbed my dog out of the back seat and > smothered it with a wet blanket".
No it's not. The Report is grammatically ambiguous (not incorrect), but the context makes it clear what is intended.
>>" >>The report gives a de ning description of the program- >>ming language Scheme. Scheme is a statically scoped and >>properly tail-recursive dialect of the Lisp programming >>language invented by Guy Lewis Steele Jr. and Gerald >>Jay Sussman. >>"
>>my english is not the best.
>>but is the above paragraph not a little missleading?
>>e.g. for a newcomer which learns scheme and does not know about lisp >>history?
>>the word "invented" connects to the word "Scheme".
>>but isn't it possible to understand it wrong?
>>to connect "invented" to the immediately following "Lisp programming >>language"?
correction: to connect "invented" to the immediately previously "Lisp programming language"?
> If your quote is verbatim then you are correct. It's like saying "my > vehicle caught on fire, so I grabbed my dog out of the back seat and > smothered it with a wet blanket".
funny example.
i understand.
> You should contact the author(s) of the document you cited and let them
i'm not interested to contact the author(s).
i think that the authors are aware of the ambigouity.
> know. I don't think email will violate your medium clause.
>>>" >>>The report gives a dening description of the program- >>>ming language Scheme. Scheme is a statically scoped and >>>properly tail-recursive dialect of the Lisp programming >>>language invented by Guy Lewis Steele Jr. and Gerald >>>Jay Sussman. >>>"
>>If your quote is verbatim then you are correct. It's like saying "my >>vehicle caught on fire, so I grabbed my dog out of the back seat and >>smothered it with a wet blanket".
> No it's not. The Report is grammatically ambiguous (not incorrect), > but the context makes it clear what is intended.
> David
this sounds like "fuzzy specifications of Common Lisp".
but here is Scheme.
or is Scheme the same thing?
i recognize some of the names in the documents of R5RS.
