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ruby.j...@mac.com

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Nov 9, 2005, 6:38:40 PM11/9/05
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I am pleased to pre-announce the launch of a new, professional
periodical focused exclusively on Ruby.

The journal, tentatively titled "Red," will be published monthly and
will be distributed internationally as a stylish, high-quality, 60-
page PDF. Each month, Red will focus on boosting the skills and
productivity of all Ruby programmers -- from novices to gurus --
providing pragmatic, practical, insightful, hands-on, and diverse
advice and expertise.

Contributors will be paid for material accepted and published in the
journal. Like other journals, all material will be vetted by peers
and experts prior to publication.

Feature-length stories (4,000 words) earn $500.00.

Column-length stories (2,500 words) earn $350.

In addition to three features each month, Red will also include five-
six regular monthly columns that appear in every issue, news, updates
on software releases, community happenings, user group meetings, op-
ed, and reviews and examples of Ruby packages.

Red will also include a "Marketplace" section where ISPs, developers,
designers, and organizations can advertise jobs, services, skills,
conferences, books, training, and products.

The advertising rate is $2,000 per page. Half-page, quarter-page,
third-page and one-eighth-page ads are available at a pro-rated fee.
Classified ads of 100 words or less are $50.00.

Annual subscriptions to Red will be $60.


If you're interested in...

.. Subscribing

.. Becoming a regular columnist

.. Writing feature- or column-length stories

.. Submitting your work for consideration

.. Providing guidance and ideas for stories and coverage

.. Advertising, or

.. Just want more information

.. please send email to ruby.j...@mac.com to receive updates,
schedules, writer guidelines, and news as the editorial plan, web
site, and design of the journal take shape.


I look forward to your questions, ideas, readership, and
participation in furthering the gem called Ruby.

M. Samuel "Flywheel" Streicher

Flywheel, Gadget, and Sprocket Media

Email: ruby.j...@mac.com

AIM: samuelflywheel


Bill Guindon

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> ... Subscribing
>
> ... Becoming a regular columnist
>
> ... Writing feature- or column-length stories
>
> ... Submitting your work for consideration
>
> ... Providing guidance and ideas for stories and coverage
>
> ... Advertising, or
>
> ... Just want more information
>
> ... please send email to ruby.j...@mac.com to receive updates,

> schedules, writer guidelines, and news as the editorial plan, web
> site, and design of the journal take shape.
>
>
> I look forward to your questions, ideas, readership, and
> participation in furthering the gem called Ruby.

Ok, 10 points for the most ambitious 1st post I've ever seen on any
mailing list (could explain the lack of replies).

Couple thoughts...

It needs a better name, but that's just me. Of course, if you ask for
suggestions, I'm sure you'll get some killer ideas.

There are a couple of regular posts that deserve recognition. I'd
love to hear that some/all of them are already in the plan, but if
they're not, they deserve to be considered (in no particular order):

Tim Sutherland has done an incredible job with his 'Ruby Weekly News',
and I've long thought that he should expand it a bit, and make it a
magazine.

James Edward Gray II runs the 'Ruby Quiz' weekly, and that should also
be a regular feature. There's a book coming out, but it would be
great if his summaries ran regularly.

Hal Fulton's been maintaining/posting the list FAQ for quite some
time. It should also be included on a regular basis.

I'm sure I've missed some, but those three stand out in my mind.

> M. Samuel "Flywheel" Streicher
>
> Flywheel, Gadget, and Sprocket Media
>
> Email: ruby.j...@mac.com
>
> AIM: samuelflywheel
>
>
>
>


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Lyndon Samson

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Nov 9, 2005, 11:08:45 PM11/9/05
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On 11/10/05, Bill Guindon <agor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/9/05, ruby.j...@mac.com <ruby.j...@mac.com> wrote:
> > I am pleased to pre-announce the launch of a new, professional

Yep, and perhaps a 'letters to why?' column... you could call it
"a".upto("y") :-)


Bill Guindon

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Nov 9, 2005, 11:20:11 PM11/9/05
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Good point, if they announced "Dear _why" in the initial post, they'd
probably end up over-subscribed: "I'm sorry folks, there's no way we
can produce that many PDFs in one week". Which, of course, would lead
to a side job for Austin Ziegler.

Jim

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If someone submits an article and it is rejected, can the author shop
it around to other publications, or does it become the property of
"Red"?

Hal Fulton

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Nov 10, 2005, 2:58:19 AM11/10/05
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It's fairly inconceivable that it could become their property if
they reject it (i.e., paid nothing for it). Any periodical that tried
that would quickly run out of authors.


Hal


James Britt

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Nov 10, 2005, 3:01:06 AM11/10/05
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Of course. You own it unless you are paid for it or have some other
binding agreement. (And you should also ask about ownership/reprint
rights so that you can control your work even after publication. For
example, Linux Journal, which in my experience pays more than 'Red' is
offering, also allows the offer to reprint/resell the work 30 days, I
think, after print publication. Ruby Code & Style offers the same
reprint/resale rights.)

The more typical case is when work gets submitted to a publication, but
the author is never told what will be done with it and the piece goes
into limbo. It's sort of rude to submit a work to multiple places at
the same time, though no one likes to be left dangling; the best is to
make clear up front what you expect: tell the editor that the work will
be offered to other outlets if it is not accepted and published by some
date or some publication & payment contract is arranged.

You're the author. You should be in charge.


James Britt

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pat eyler

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Nov 10, 2005, 10:33:39 AM11/10/05
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You would think so, but that's certainly how the Redhat magazine
agreement looks on first glance. It was scary enough that I didn't
even think about submitting anything.

>
> Hal
>
>
>
>


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David Brady

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Nov 11, 2005, 2:09:37 AM11/11/05
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pat eyler wrote:

>On 11/10/05, Hal Fulton <hal...@hypermetrics.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Any periodical that tried
>>that would quickly run out of authors.
>>
>>
>

>[The Redhat magazine agreement] was scary enough that I didn't


>even think about submitting anything.
>
>

..QED?

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Garance A Drosehn

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Nov 11, 2005, 7:12:41 PM11/11/05
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On 11/9/05, Bill Guindon <agor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/9/05, ruby.j...@mac.com <ruby.j...@mac.com> wrote:
> > I am pleased to pre-announce the launch of a new, professional
> > periodical focused exclusively on Ruby.
> >
> > The journal, tentatively titled "Red," will be published monthly and ..

HAL

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Nov 11, 2005, 7:38:12 PM11/11/05
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"Red Dawn"

> published monthly and ...


>
> > It needs a better name, but that's just me. Of course,
> if you ask for
> > suggestions, I'm sure you'll get some killer ideas.
>

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Devin Mullins

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Nov 11, 2005, 9:07:58 PM11/11/05
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The Hunt For Red *insert current month here*

Jeff Wood

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Nov 11, 2005, 11:18:37 PM11/11/05
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The Big Red One ????

.. nah, personally I really like "Red" ...

j.


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HAL

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Nov 11, 2005, 11:20:34 PM11/11/05
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"Ruby the Red-Nosed Rhetoric"
ok, I'll stop now. :]



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Eero Saynatkari

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Nov 12, 2005, 12:07:04 AM11/12/05
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HAL wrote:
> "Ruby the Red-Nosed Rhetoric"
> ok, I'll stop now. :]

"Thin red lines"

You know, the ones to be crossed? :)


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Joel VanderWerf

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Nov 12, 2005, 1:13:24 AM11/12/05
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Bill Guindon wrote:

> It needs a better name, but that's just me. Of course, if you ask for
> suggestions, I'm sure you'll get some killer ideas.

Perl has the State of the Onion(*). How about "Red State" ;)

(Apologies to the rest of the world for the non-portable attempt at humor.)

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(*) On the subject of choosing names, Larry Wall sez:

Some of you have heard the part about my looking for a good name for
Perl, and scanning through /usr/dict/words for every three- and
four-letter word with positive connotations. Though offhand, I can't
explain how I missed seeing Ruby. So anyway, I ended up with "Pearl"
instead. (http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2005/09/22/onion.html?page=3)

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ruby.j...@mac.com

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Nov 12, 2005, 1:30:06 AM11/12/05
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Jim, that is a very fair question. I'll also weigh in on the
disposition of rights in general.

If you submit an article and it is not accepted, then you are free to
do whatever you want with it.

Typically, when an (original) article is accepted in a magazine, the
author grants first serial rights to the magazine or grants all
rights to the magazine. The terms differ from publication to
publication, with some being quite draconian ("It's our from now on,
now go away") to quite liberal (as with IBM's developerWorks, which
returns the rights to you thirty days after initial publication).

For Red, I would like an exclusive for some amount of time, perhaps
three months, and perennial, non-exclusive rights to re-use the
material online, in compilations of Red, etc. After the exclusive
period ends, you can do whatever you would like with the material,
provided that a notice is included that states, "First published in
Red (http://www.redsomething.com) on some date, etc."

This allows you to write books, post it online in your blog, do
training with it, whatever, and allows Red the freedom to propagate
it as well. The attribution gives Red credit for commissioning the
piece to begin with.

I think these rules are fair, comprehend the modern day needs of
authors to get recognition and derive extra value from their work,
and support the business goals of Red.

Sam

pat eyler

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Nov 12, 2005, 10:41:35 AM11/12/05
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On 11/9/05, Bill Guindon <agor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It needs a better name, but that's just me. Of course, if you ask for
> suggestions, I'm sure you'll get some killer ideas.

How about 'Red Letter'? (If for no other reason that every time
you get your copy, it will be a red letter day.)


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mathew

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Nov 12, 2005, 11:51:53 AM11/12/05
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pat eyler wrote:
>On 11/9/05, Bill Guindon <agor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>It needs a better name, but that's just me. Of course, if you ask for
>>suggestions, I'm sure you'll get some killer ideas.
>
> How about 'Red Letter'? (If for no other reason that every time
> you get your copy, it will be a red letter day.)

Or just "Tuesday".


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pat eyler

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Nov 12, 2005, 12:44:59 PM11/12/05
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On 11/12/05, mathew <me...@pobox.com> wrote:
> pat eyler wrote:
> >On 11/9/05, Bill Guindon <agor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>It needs a better name, but that's just me. Of course, if you ask for
> >>suggestions, I'm sure you'll get some killer ideas.
> >
> > How about 'Red Letter'? (If for no other reason that every time
> > you get your copy, it will be a red letter day.)
>
> Or just "Tuesday".
>

The win for Red Letter, is that not only does it denote specialness or
goodness, in both a literary and a more general sense.

>
> mathew
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>


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ruby.j...@mac.com

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Nov 12, 2005, 4:11:38 PM11/12/05
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I really like "Red Letter". It has a nice twisted, compelling
something about it.

I'll mull it over. Any other ideas?

Sam

Hal Fulton

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Nov 12, 2005, 4:14:19 PM11/12/05
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ruby.j...@mac.com wrote:
>
>
> I really like "Red Letter". It has a nice twisted, compelling something
> about it.
>
> I'll mull it over. Any other ideas?

The Scarlet Letter? :)

Code Red? Red Alert?


Cheers,
Hal

James Edward Gray II

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Nov 12, 2005, 4:16:49 PM11/12/05
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On Nov 12, 2005, at 3:11 PM, ruby.j...@mac.com wrote:

> I really like "Red Letter". It has a nice twisted, compelling
> something about it.

I agree, for what it is worth.

James Edward Gray II


Matthew Smillie

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Nov 12, 2005, 4:49:22 PM11/12/05
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> ruby.j...@mac.com wrote:
>> I really like "Red Letter". It has a nice twisted, compelling
>> something about it.
>> I'll mull it over. Any other ideas?
>
> The Scarlet Letter? :)
>
> Code Red? Red Alert?

The Red Menace? Better Red than Dead?


Gregory Brown

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Nov 12, 2005, 5:04:58 PM11/12/05
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On 11/12/05, James Edward Gray II <ja...@grayproductions.net> wrote:
> On Nov 12, 2005, at 3:11 PM, ruby.j...@mac.com wrote:
>
> > I really like "Red Letter". It has a nice twisted, compelling
> > something about it.
>
> I agree, for what it is worth.

The scarlet letter, I like that. :)

Actually, Red Letter is good though too


Bill Guindon

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Nov 12, 2005, 5:12:14 PM11/12/05
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Yeah, that's what crossed my mind when I said I didn't like the name.
'Red Magazine' sounds like the socialist party newsletter.

I do like Red Letter, and Scarlet Letter is hysterical :)

Daniel Schierbeck

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Nov 12, 2005, 5:13:06 PM11/12/05
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ruby.j...@mac.com wrote:
> "Red Letter".

+1


Cheers,
Daniel

Ryan Leavengood

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Nov 12, 2005, 9:56:19 PM11/12/05
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On 11/12/05, Bill Guindon <agor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yeah, that's what crossed my mind when I said I didn't like the name.
> 'Red Magazine' sounds like the socialist party newsletter.

Since the fall of communism in the USSR I think the general perceived
"threat" from socialism and communism is much less, therefore "red"
has lost some of its socialist connotations (at least for me.)

> I do like Red Letter, and Scarlet Letter is hysterical :)

Given the nicer connotations of Red Letter, that may be a better
choice. Also according to the Wikipedia entry for "red letter day",
the highlighted red words on those red letter calendar days are also
known as "rubrics", a word obviously quite close to Ruby. In fact
should the magazine come to be known as Red Letter, it would be
amusing to have a column called Rubrics (which could have general
highlights from the Ruby community in the last month.) The subtle word
plays going on there are quite interesting.

Scarlet Letter, while amusing, clearly has negative connotations to
anyone familiar with the literary work of the same name.

Ryan


Bill Guindon

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Nov 12, 2005, 10:25:06 PM11/12/05
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On 11/12/05, Ryan Leavengood <leave...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/12/05, Bill Guindon <agor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, that's what crossed my mind when I said I didn't like the name.
> > 'Red Magazine' sounds like the socialist party newsletter.
>
> Since the fall of communism in the USSR I think the general perceived
> "threat" from socialism and communism is much less, therefore "red"
> has lost some of its socialist connotations (at least for me.)

Yeah, forgive me, I'm an old libertarian.

> > I do like Red Letter, and Scarlet Letter is hysterical :)
>
> Given the nicer connotations of Red Letter, that may be a better
> choice. Also according to the Wikipedia entry for "red letter day",
> the highlighted red words on those red letter calendar days are also
> known as "rubrics", a word obviously quite close to Ruby. In fact
> should the magazine come to be known as Red Letter, it would be
> amusing to have a column called Rubrics (which could have general
> highlights from the Ruby community in the last month.) The subtle word
> plays going on there are quite interesting.

Liked the name before, but love it with the added 'rubrics' connection.

> Scarlet Letter, while amusing, clearly has negative connotations to
> anyone familiar with the literary work of the same name.

Yep, read it, great book. Just found the suggestion amusing.
Wouldn't recommend it.

> Ryan

Gregory Brown

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Nov 13, 2005, 12:55:54 AM11/13/05
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On 11/12/05, Ryan Leavengood <leave...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Scarlet Letter, while amusing, clearly has negative connotations to

That's what makes it funny! :) I imagine there is some Java house out
there making their rubyists wear big red R's on their shirts... for
sinning against the nature of structured language.

But I suppose Red Letter might be a kinder, gentler, more cheerful name :)


Hal Fulton

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Nov 13, 2005, 3:32:35 AM11/13/05
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Yeah, it wasn't a serious suggestion, which is why I couldn't resist
making it.

[OT] I once saw a cartoon of a bunch of Puritan women with red A's on
their dresses, looking rather hateful or jealous... while one walked
by looking rather smug, wearing a large red "A+".


Hal

Gregory Brown

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> [OT] I once saw a cartoon of a bunch of Puritan women with red A's on
> their dresses, looking rather hateful or jealous... while one walked
> by looking rather smug, wearing a large red "A+".

No B- 's in the crowd? Lucky you :)


Jeff Wood

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Nov 13, 2005, 12:05:10 PM11/13/05
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How 'bout : Red Tide! ( j/k )

j.

Josef 'Jupp' SCHUGT

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Nov 13, 2005, 4:36:33 PM11/13/05
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Hi!

At Thu, 10 Nov 2005 13:02:52 +0900, Bill Guindon wrote:
> It needs a better name, but that's just me.

Some possible names in alphabetic order:

Red Ruby Reader
Red-Blooded Ruby
Red-Hot Ruby(*)
Relucent Ruby
Ruby
Ruby Gems
Ruby Magazine
Ruby Rail
Ruby Reason
Ruby Reflections
Ruby Report
Ruby Repository
Ruby Review Letters
Ruby Rites
Ruby Roundup
Ruby Update
Ruby.roundup
Ruby.update

My #1 is "Ruby" - it feels adequate for a non-chatty programming
language (as would "The object-oriented COBOL programmer's monthly
journal." for the COBOL logorrhoea ;-).

Josef 'Jupp' Schugt
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Nick Faiz

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Nov 13, 2005, 5:40:12 PM11/13/05
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Hi,

I like 'Red'.

Nick

Michael Kohl

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Nov 13, 2005, 5:52:50 PM11/13/05
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Lloyd Zusman

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Nov 13, 2005, 5:53:13 PM11/13/05
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If it came out once a week, it could be called Ruby Tuesday.


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Hal Fulton

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Nov 13, 2005, 6:05:53 PM11/13/05
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Lloyd Zusman wrote:
>
> If it came out once a week, it could be called Ruby Tuesday.
>

That's one of my very favorites.

My *most* favorite I am keeping to myself, in case I want to
use it myself. :) I even think the .org is available.
Let the mindreading begin... ;)


Hal


Lloyd Zusman

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Nov 13, 2005, 6:16:19 PM11/13/05
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Hal Fulton <hal...@hypermetrics.com> writes:

Ruby Begonia?

Matt Lawrence

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Nov 13, 2005, 6:19:31 PM11/13/05
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I just want to make sure I get paid for the use of my intellectual
property...

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why the lucky stiff

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Nov 13, 2005, 6:29:51 PM11/13/05
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Lloyd Zusman wrote:

>Hal Fulton <hal...@hypermetrics.com> writes:
>
>
>>Lloyd Zusman wrote:
>>
>>
>>>If it came out once a week, it could be called Ruby Tuesday.
>>>
>>That's one of my very favorites.
>>
>>My *most* favorite I am keeping to myself, in case I want to
>>use it myself. :) I even think the .org is available.
>>Let the mindreading begin... ;)
>>
>>
>Ruby Begonia?
>

Can't we just sublet a column in Ranger Rick magazine? I like to limit
my subscriptions to a single source for amazing facts and beaver tales.

_why

_why

Gregory Brown

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Nov 13, 2005, 6:46:19 PM11/13/05
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On 11/13/05, why the lucky stiff <ruby...@whytheluckystiff.net> wrote:

> Can't we just sublet a column in Ranger Rick magazine? I like to limit
> my subscriptions to a single source for amazing facts and beaver tales.

Maybe we can call it Ranger Ruby and the Ranger Rick magazine can
sublet from us. Nothing better than solving a camping dilemma with
some continuations. :)


Devin Mullins

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Nov 13, 2005, 7:26:59 PM11/13/05
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why the lucky stiff wrote:

> _why

I don't know.

> _why

I know!

Josef 'Jupp' SCHUGT

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Nov 14, 2005, 2:12:26 PM11/14/05
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Hi!

At Mon, 14 Nov 2005 06:36:33 +0900, Josef 'Jupp' SCHUGT wrote:
> Red-Hot Ruby(*)

I missed resolving this: The red-hot violin player's first name is
Vanessa-Mae, not Ruby so there should not be trademark issues here.
Anyway: There are rumors that the "red-hot" does not apply to her
performance - but that's a different story...

Josef 'Jupp' SCHUGT

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Nov 14, 2005, 2:15:31 PM11/14/05
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Hi!

At Mon, 14 Nov 2005 06:36:33 +0900, Josef 'Jupp' SCHUGT wrote:
> Red-Hot Ruby(*)

I missed resolving this: The red-hot violin player's first name is
Vanessa-Mae, not Ruby so there should not be trademark issues here.
Anyway: There are rumors that the "red-hot" does not apply to her
performance - but that's a different story...

Josef 'Jupp' Schugt

Josef 'Jupp' SCHUGT

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Nov 15, 2005, 3:02:05 PM11/15/05
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Hi!

Sorry about that, GMX (my mail provider) sometimes fails to
communicate that the message has been sent and wanderlust (my mail
user agent) then assumes that the message has not been sent and leaves
it in the mail queue for another attempt to deliver. "Doppelt genaeht
haelt besser" as one says in German which literally means "[a] double
sewed [seam] is more durable" and by extension means "redundancy
improves reliability".

Josef 'Jupp' Schugt


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