www.ruby.net
Daniel Schierbeck
when I searched on Google Groups).
I think we should purchase www.ruby.net - it's much cleaner and
easy-to-pass-on-to-others than www.ruby-lang.org, it's shorter, and it's
up for sale (www.ruby.org isn't being used for a website, but I don't
think it's for sale). I'd be happy to chip in with some cash if we
decide to buy it.
Maybe we could even make a new Ruby site (with a php.net style
documentation!). Well, we can always discuss that later.
Cheers,
Daniel Schierbeck
Dibya Prakash
> I don't know if this has been discussed before (didn't find any messages
> when I searched on Google Groups).
>
> I think we should purchase www.ruby.net - it's much cleaner and
> easy-to-pass-on-to-others than www.ruby-lang.org, it's shorter, and it's
> up for sale (www.ruby.org isn't being used for a website, but I don't
> think it's for sale). I'd be happy to chip in with some cash if we
> decide to buy it.
Not a bad idea.Normal psychology to use direct names for the
language.I would prefer ruby.org and then ruby.net.
Thanks n Regards
Dibya Prakash
Greg Donald
> documentation!). Well, we can always discuss that later.
I'm for that. I would gladly help with documentation work.
--
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Zend Certified Engineer
MySQL Core Certification
http://destiney.com/
Daniel Schierbeck
> Hi,
> Even i m ready to help in the documentation.I propose ruby.org be used
> for community development purpose and ruby.net for the Ruby opn source
> projects.
>
> Thanks n Regards
> Dibya Prakash
>
>
> On 8/21/05, Greg Donald <dest...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 8/21/05, Daniel Schierbeck <daniel.s...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Maybe we could even make a new Ruby site (with a php.net style
>>>documentation!). Well, we can always discuss that later.
>>
>>I'm for that. I would gladly help with documentation work.
>>
The problem with ruby.org is that it's being used as an e-mail domain -
I doubt we'll be able to purchase it. We *could* give it a try though.
But ruby.net should suffice - we could always create subdomains, i.e.
dev.ruby.net, doc.ruby.net, help.ruby.net, download.ruby.net etc. etc.
Cheers,
Daniel Schierbeck
Yukihiro Matsumoto
In message "Re: www.ruby.net"
on Sun, 21 Aug 2005 19:51:17 +0900, Daniel Schierbeck <daniel.s...@gmail.com> writes:
|I think we should purchase www.ruby.net - it's much cleaner and
|easy-to-pass-on-to-others than www.ruby-lang.org, it's shorter, and it's
|up for sale (www.ruby.org isn't being used for a website, but I don't
|think it's for sale). I'd be happy to chip in with some cash if we
|decide to buy it.
I have mailed the owner of ruby.net about two years ago, and got no
response. Perhaps I should have shown him (big amount of) money.
matz.
nobu....@softhome.net
At Sun, 21 Aug 2005 19:51:17 +0900,
Daniel Schierbeck wrote in [ruby-talk:153101]:
> I think we should purchase www.ruby.net - it's much cleaner and
> easy-to-pass-on-to-others than www.ruby-lang.org, it's shorter, and it's
> up for sale (www.ruby.org isn't being used for a website, but I don't
> think it's for sale). I'd be happy to chip in with some cash if we
> decide to buy it.
Even shorter:
Nobody in Belarus? ;)
--
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Anatol Pomozov
--
anatol
Daniel Schierbeck
While it definately sounds cool, I think people are most comfortable
with .com, .org and .net domains. Getting the .com would actually be the
best (even though ruby isn't commercial in any way), since ruby.com is
the first place people would look if they heard the name "Ruby".
If there are no objections to the idea I think we should find someone
trustworthy, send him some money and have him purchase the domain (I'm
kinda new here, so I don't think that many people will trust me with
their money). If there's another method you prefer, don't be afraid to
write it here. I've never done this before, so I won't flame you...
Cheers,
Daniel Schierbeck
Paul van Tilburg
> nobu....@softhome.net wrote:
> >>I think we should purchase www.ruby.net - it's much cleaner and
> >>easy-to-pass-on-to-others than www.ruby-lang.org, it's shorter, and it's
> >>up for sale (www.ruby.org isn't being used for a website, but I don't
> >>think it's for sale). I'd be happy to chip in with some cash if we
> >>decide to buy it.
> >
> >Even shorter:
> >
> > http://ru.by/
> >
> >Nobody in Belarus? ;)
>
> While it definately sounds cool, I think people are most comfortable
> with .com, .org and .net domains. Getting the .com would actually be the
> best (even though ruby isn't commercial in any way), since ruby.com is
> the first place people would look if they heard the name "Ruby".
Indeed.
> If there are no objections to the idea I think we should find someone
> trustworthy, send him some money and have him purchase the domain (I'm
> kinda new here, so I don't think that many people will trust me with
> their money). If there's another method you prefer, don't be afraid to
> write it here. I've never done this before, so I won't flame you...
Registering a .net domain at a Dutch company I know is EUR 7.50 (about
9.00 USD) per year (a great company btw, as in: they regularly send
customer surveys about what's good and bad and they actually act on it?!
-- recommended for Dutch people), so I think the money isn't the issue
here. I say this just to give an estimate about what the costs are.
But the problem is indeed continuity and maintenance. Who is going to
keep it up for the years coming?
Paul
--
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University of Technology, The Netherlands | JID: pa...@luon.net
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David A. Black
On Sun, 21 Aug 2005, Paul van Tilburg wrote:
> Registering a .net domain at a Dutch company I know is EUR 7.50 (about
> 9.00 USD) per year (a great company btw, as in: they regularly send
> customer surveys about what's good and bad and they actually act on it?!
> -- recommended for Dutch people), so I think the money isn't the issue
> here. I say this just to give an estimate about what the costs are.
> But the problem is indeed continuity and maintenance. Who is going to
> keep it up for the years coming?
I assume the idea is to turn it over to Matz and the ruby-lang.org
team, to replace that domain, rather than starting up something new
and unofficial.
David
--
David A. Black
dbl...@wobblini.net
Daniel Schierbeck
ruby.net is already owned by an individual (probably a domain
stockpiler), so it will probably be a lot more expensive. I've just
mailed him, so we'll see if or how he responds.
Cheers,
Daniel Schierbeck
Daniel Schierbeck
Absolutely. But maybe we could use the opportunity (if we actually *do*
get the domain) to make a better site. One of the reasons I haven't
gotten started on Ruby until now is that I could find a documentation of
the high quality of php.net. doc.ruby.net would be ideal for such a
documentation site (maybe a wiki?)
But first thing first. Let's get the domain first, give it to the
ruby-lang.org guys, and then discuss what to do next.
Cheers,
Daniel Schierbeck
blackwater dev
probably one of the reasons they went with ruby-lang.org in the first
place.
What about rubellion.org ;).
On 8/21/05, Daniel Schierbeck <daniel.s...@gmail.com> wrote:
Daniel Schierbeck
> Getting something like ruby.net is probably not going to be cheap,
> probably one of the reasons they went with ruby-lang.org in the first
> place.
Of course, but if we all donate a few bucks we could make it happen. It
would be so much cooler than ruby-lang.net!
Cheers,
Daniel Schierbeck
dave
| http://ru.by/
Great!!!
--
>here are more things in heaven and earth,
horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
James Britt
That would be my understanding.
James
--
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http://www.rubyxml.com - News, Articles, and Listings for Ruby & XML
http://www.rubystuff.com - The Ruby Store for Ruby Stuff
http://www.jamesbritt.com - Playing with Better Toys
Dibya Prakash
http://ru.by/ sounds great....but definitely ruby.net is better.As for
the development and maintenance,ruby-lang.org people are best to
deceide.
I do agree with the idea of a wiki.
Thanks n Regards
Dibya Prakash
Lothar Scholz
DS> ruby.net is already owned by an individual (probably a domain
DS> stockpiler), so it will probably be a lot more expensive. I've just
DS> mailed him, so we'll see if or how he responds.
This will be expensive (surely in the > US$ 100.000 range)!!!
Without doubt.
Look at the prices and you can see that you can make a fortune with only
selling a few Jewels. I doubt he will give it away. Also look at the
search terms that are used and will see that "jewels" meaning of ruby
is searched for about a 100 times more then the language. Nobody would
give up such an easy way to increase there google page rank on it.
--
Best regards, emailto: scholz at scriptolutions dot com
Lothar Scholz http://www.ruby-ide.com
CTO Scriptolutions Ruby, PHP, Python IDE 's
Daniel Schierbeck
> Hello Daniel,
>
> DS> ruby.net is already owned by an individual (probably a domain
> DS> stockpiler), so it will probably be a lot more expensive. I've just
> DS> mailed him, so we'll see if or how he responds.
>
> This will be expensive (surely in the > US$ 100.000 range)!!!
> Without doubt.
>
> Look at the prices and you can see that you can make a fortune with only
> selling a few Jewels. I doubt he will give it away. Also look at the
> search terms that are used and will see that "jewels" meaning of ruby
> is searched for about a 100 times more then the language. Nobody would
> give up such an easy way to increase there google page rank on it.
You're most likely right, but I'm still going to ask the guy. We might
just be lucky. If it fails we can buy "www.ru.by"
Cheers,
Daniel Schierbeck
Gavin Kistner
> Lothar Scholz wrote:
>> This will be expensive (surely in the > US$ 100.000 range)!!!
>> Without doubt.
For the US speakers, I think Lothar meant US$100,000 aka 10 ** 5.
I suspect that a lot of Ruby fans would be willing to pool some
donated money to make ruby.net happen, but probably not that much.
Johan Toki Persson
donations and such?
Timothy Hunter
> How about establishing a foundation of some sort, dealing with
> donations and such?
>
Check out www.rubycentral.org.
David A. Black
On Sun, 21 Aug 2005, Johan Toki Persson wrote:
> How about establishing a foundation of some sort, dealing with
> donations and such?
Ruby Central, Inc. (http://www.rubycentral.org) is such a foundation.
It's the parent organization of the International Ruby Conference
(register now! http://www.rubycentral.org/conference/register :-) as
well as the 2005 (hopefully annual) Codefest Grant Program.
Greg Donald
> I assume the idea is to turn it over to Matz and the ruby-lang.org
> team, to replace that domain, rather than starting up something new
> and unofficial.
Not that my opinion means much, but something new is what I was hoping
for.. the official-ness of the project doesn't much matter to me
either way. The current Ruby docs leave much to be desired,
especially after using php.net/docs for so long.
"Like all craftsmen, hackers like good tools." -- Paul Graham
David A. Black
On Mon, 22 Aug 2005, Greg Donald wrote:
> On 8/21/05, David A. Black <dbl...@wobblini.net> wrote:
>> I assume the idea is to turn it over to Matz and the ruby-lang.org
>> team, to replace that domain, rather than starting up something new
>> and unofficial.
>
> Not that my opinion means much, but something new is what I was hoping
> for.. the official-ness of the project doesn't much matter to me
> either way. The current Ruby docs leave much to be desired,
> especially after using php.net/docs for so long.
What matters to me is courtesy and deference to Matz, who has already
said that he has tried to get this domain in the past and who in any
case has a clear moral right to first refusal of whatever is done with
it if it comes into the hands of Rubyists.
There's also already (since late last year, I believe) a huge
initiative underway to redesign the Ruby English-language website. I
don't know where it stands, but I believe the matter of the ruby.net
domain came up in that connection too.
Zach Dennis
> How about establishing a foundation of some sort, dealing with
> donations and such?
>
Ruby Central, Inc?
Zach
Daniel Schierbeck
I'm not sure I'll get a response from him either, but I think it's worth
a try.
Cheers,
Daniel Schierbeck
dave
| US$100,000
If ruby would be a trade mark it was simple: call a lawyer and
get it (for $200).
Jared Nuzzolillo
agilelanguage.net <http://agilelanguage.net> and
agilelanguage.org<http://agilelanguage.org>.
Obviously, they cannot be the 'main' domains, but I think they're cool
nonetheless. Consider it my first contribution to the Ruby community since I
have not been able to contribute code!
Thanks,
Jared Nuzzolillo
Xeno Campanoli
>Hi,
>
>In message "Re: www.ruby.net"
> on Sun, 21 Aug 2005 19:51:17 +0900, Daniel Schierbeck <daniel.s...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>|I think we should purchase www.ruby.net - it's much cleaner and
>|easy-to-pass-on-to-others than www.ruby-lang.org, it's shorter, and it's
>|up for sale (www.ruby.org isn't being used for a website, but I don't
>|think it's for sale). I'd be happy to chip in with some cash if we
>|decide to buy it.
>
>
The problem with this is that gem dealers and the like are pretty money
oriented folks and will likely drive a hard bargain. I'd recommend
getting ruby.japan (or whatever the country code is) as a better buy and
I think it looks cooler too. Can't you do that? Don't get ruby.us,
though, as this country has a very bad reputation and is soon gonna be
in deep and irreparable depression.
xc
>I have mailed the owner of ruby.net about two years ago, and got no
>response. Perhaps I should have shown him (big amount of) money.
>
> matz.
>
>
>
>
>
--
Xeno Campanoli, xe...@eskimo.com, http://www.eskimo.com/~xeno
The Internet: I'd rather have Al invent it than have George take it over.
Johan Toki Persson
James Britt
> Hi,
> Even i m ready to help in the documentation.
Are you subscribed to the ruby-doc mailing list?
See the Ruby documentation Web site:
http://www.ruby-doc.org/
"If you are interested in helping the documentation process, there is a
ruby-doc mailing list. You can subscribe to the mailing list by sending
a request to ruby-d...@ruby-lang.org, with a message body in the
following format:
subscribe your-name
(Do not use an E-mail address for your-name. Use your actual name.) "
All assistance appreciated.
Thanks,
James Britt
> How about establishing a foundation of some sort, dealing with
> donations and such?
We could call it RubyCentral.org!
James Britt
> On 8/21/05, David A. Black <dbl...@wobblini.net> wrote:
>
>>I assume the idea is to turn it over to Matz and the ruby-lang.org
>>team, to replace that domain, rather than starting up something new
>>and unofficial.
>
>
> Not that my opinion means much, but something new is what I was hoping
> for.. the official-ness of the project doesn't much matter to me
> either way. The current Ruby docs leave much to be desired,
> especially after using php.net/docs for so long.
Have you subscribed to the ruby-doc list? Offered assistance there?
Contacted the site admin? Made suggestions to improve what already exists?
James Edward Gray II
> Made suggestions to improve what already exists?
Are suggestions welcome here, or only on the Ruby Doc mailing list?
James Edward Gray II
James Britt
> On Aug 21, 2005, at 5:09 PM, James Britt wrote:
>
>> Made suggestions to improve what already exists?
>
>
> Are suggestions welcome here, or only on the Ruby Doc mailing list?
Probably better on the ruby-doc list, though having to subscribe can be
annoying.
I've already been made aware of bad layout, fugly color scheme, lack of
search, and no comment system for the docs.
(And they are being addressed over time, though far more slowly than I'd
like.)
Dave Burt
> ... One of the reasons I haven't gotten started on Ruby until now is that
> would be ideal for such a documentation site (maybe a wiki?)
Ruby's web presence is distributed. The docs you're after are available at:
http://www.ruby-doc.org
And the RubyGarden wiki is:
http://www.rubygarden.org
Happy rubying,
Dave
luke
> oriented folks and will likely drive a hard bargain. I'd recommend
> getting ruby.japan (or whatever the country code is) as a better buy and
> I think it looks cooler too. Can't you do that? Don't get ruby.us,
> though, as this country has a very bad reputation and is soon gonna be
> in deep and irreparable depression.
just checked and ruby.jp has been bought already.
i wonder if the del.icio.us people would let us have rubyl.icio.us ; )
luke
.. i would really like to use ru.by but as people have pointed out, ruby.net
would be more sensible. whoever gets ruby.net should think about getting
ru.by at the same time, and point them both to the same site!
ps) all this discussion in increasing the chance some malicious person snaps
both up before someone legitimate does.
luke
<nobu....@softhome.net> wrote in message
news:200508211156....@sharui.nakada.niregi.kanuma.tochigi.jp...
> Hi,
>
> At Sun, 21 Aug 2005 19:51:17 +0900,
> Daniel Schierbeck wrote in [ruby-talk:153101]:
> > I think we should purchase www.ruby.net - it's much cleaner and
> > easy-to-pass-on-to-others than www.ruby-lang.org, it's shorter, and it's
> > up for sale (www.ruby.org isn't being used for a website, but I don't
> > think it's for sale). I'd be happy to chip in with some cash if we
> > decide to buy it.
>
> Even shorter:
>
> http://ru.by/
>
> Nobody in Belarus? ;)
>
> --
> Nobu Nakada
>
>
James Britt
> there's nothing wrong with having a few domains all point to the same space
> would be more sensible. whoever gets ruby.net should think about getting
> ru.by at the same time, and point them both to the same site!
>
> ps) all this discussion in increasing the chance some malicious person snaps
> both up before someone legitimate does.
So what? I suspect most people learn about Ruby from assorted online
resources, and follow links to get to places of interest. Or use
Google. Or del.icio.us or similar social software. If someone types a
wrong URL, odds are they will figure out fairly quick how to get to
where they want.
Yes, a neat, obvious URL is a treat, but not as important as reputation
and Google page rank.
James
Michael Shigorin
> | http://ru.by/
> Great!!!
Except that you need to live there to register the domain,
or seems so. At least I've failed to get censored.by a few years
ago :-)
Still I know enough active Ruby users in Belarus...
--
---- WBR, Michael Shigorin <mi...@altlinux.ru>
------ Linux.Kiev http://www.linux.kiev.ua/
Daniel Schierbeck
If someone doesn't like the idea of purchasing www.ru.by, please reply
to this post. Otherwise, I think we should figure out how to collect
some money, have someone from Belarus buy it, and then donate it to the
Ruby team. After that, we can discuss what to do with the new domain.
Daniel
Martin DeMello
At least one vote against here - I think it's ugly (del.icio.us
notwithstanding), and reads very badly (try saying it out loud). Tcl got
lucky with tcl.tk, but I don't think there's any such fortuitous tld for
us :)
martin
Phil Tomson
Is there a .rb country code?
ruby.rb
Perhaps we should bet Ruby delcared it's own country with it's own .rb
tld.
Phil
Greg Donald
> Have you subscribed to the ruby-doc list?
Yes.
> Offered assistance there?
Yes.
> Contacted the site admin? Made suggestions to improve what already exists?
Someone suggested I grab the latest version of the source and begin to
submit patches. Sounds like a plan except I'm not sure where to get
it. I found this page:
http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/20020106.html
But none of the CVS info works. Is this the current CVS info? Are
the Ruby docs in the Ruby CVS tree? I found this:
http://www.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/ruby/doc/
That the CVS tree for http://www.ruby-doc.org/core/ ?
Jared Nuzzolillo
No one seems to care about my domain name offer. Well, *I* like
agilelanguage.org <http://agilelanguage.org> [net, com]. Plus, it will annoy
the heck out of Pythonistas ;-p
James Britt
> On 8/21/05, James Britt <jam...@neurogami.com> wrote:
>
>>Have you subscribed to the ruby-doc list?
>
>
> Yes.
>
>
>>Offered assistance there?
>
>
> Yes.
Thank you very much! All assistance is greatly appreciated.
>
>
>>Contacted the site admin? Made suggestions to improve what already exists?
>
>
> Someone suggested I grab the latest version of the source and begin to
> submit patches. Sounds like a plan except I'm not sure where to get
> it. I found this page:
>
> http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/20020106.html
>
> But none of the CVS info works. Is this the current CVS info? Are
> the Ruby docs in the Ruby CVS tree? I found this:
>
> http://www.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/ruby/doc/
Um, not really. The docs for the core and standard library are part of
the source code, and are extracted using the rdoc tool.
I believe these are the sections of interest (though perhaps someone
else can confirm this)
http://www.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/ruby/ (the *.c files define
the core libraries)
http://www.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/ruby/lib/
http://www.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/ruby/ext/
Jeff Wood
Unfortunately, it's my pet domain which I've had no time to do anything with.
j.
--
"So long, and thanks for all the fish"
Jeff Wood
George Ogata
> I like it. It's quite similar to my personal "scriptedworld.com" domain...
>
> Unfortunately, it's my pet domain which I've had no time to do anything with.
>
> j.
>
> On 8/24/05, Jared Nuzzolillo <onceupo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ::sniffle sniffle::
>>
>> No one seems to care about my domain name offer. Well, *I* like
>> agilelanguage.org <http://agilelanguage.org> [net, com]. Plus, it will annoy
>> the heck out of Pythonistas ;-p
I'd just like to point out that chunky-bacon.com is still available.
Thank you.