Recommend Commercial graphing library
AlienBaby
I'm on the hunt for a good quality commercially licensed graphing /
plotting library and wondered if anyone here had any recomendations.
The work to be done is less scientific, more presentational, (I'm not
going to be dealing with heatmaps / vectors etc.., just the usual
bar / line / bubble / radar / iceberg type graphs) so a good level of
control over how the final output looks would be a key point.
I'd be grateful for any suggestions / pointers to something useful,
thanks,
Matt.
Jean-Michel Pichavant
> Why must be commercial, when there is open and free alternatives? Like
> GNU Plot.
Gnuplot is ugly. I'm using it because I don't care if it's ugly but it
clearly lacks of look & feel for presentations, as requested by the OP.
You have
http://matplotlib.sourceforge.net/
which is free and looks better than gnuplot. I'm not sure it's well
suited for presentation though.
JM
AlienBaby
wrote:
> Pablo Recio Quijano wrote:
> > Why must be commercial, when there is open and free alternatives? Like
> > GNU Plot.
>
> Gnuplot is ugly. I'm using it because I don't care if it's ugly but it
> clearly lacks of look & feel for presentations, as requested by the OP.
>
>
> which is free and looks better than gnuplot. I'm not sure it's well
> suited for presentation though.
>
> JM
Hi,
The requirement for a commercial license comes down to being
restricted to not using any open source code. If it's an open source
license it can't be used in our context.
Until now I have actually been using matplotlib, but now that has to
change.
Grant Edwards
> Pablo Recio Quijano wrote:
>> Why must be commercial, when there is open and free alternatives? Like
>> GNU Plot.
>
> Gnuplot is ugly. I'm using it because I don't care if it's ugly but it
> clearly lacks of look & feel for presentations, as requested by the OP.
In other words, Gnuplot presents information in a clear, obfuscated
manner. Definitely not the thing for presentations.
Nothing hides that unpleasant, inconvenient data better than adding a
lot of colors, drop-shadows, and of course the unneeded "3d" look
complete with a weird perspective.
> You have
> http://matplotlib.sourceforge.net/
>
> which is free and looks better than gnuplot. I'm not sure it's well
> suited for presentation though.
Agreed. It's almost as bad at data-obfuscation as Gnuplot.
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Paul McGuire
> The requirement for a commercial license comes down to being
> restricted to not using any open source code. If it's an open source
> license it can't be used in our context.
You may be misunderstanding this issue, I think you are equating "open
source" with "GPL", which is the open source license that requires
applications that use it to also open their source. There are many
other open source licenses, such as Berkeley, MIT, and LGPL, that are
more permissive in what they allow, up to and in some cases including
full inclusion within a closed-source commercial product. You might
also contact the supplier of the open source code you are interested,
and perhaps pay a modest fee to obtain a commercial license.
-- Paul
Ed Keith
> --
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
>From The Matplotlib documentation: "Matplotlib only uses BSD compatible code, and its license is based on the PSF license."
BSD and PSF both allow commercial use. There is no "copyleft" restriction.
-EdK
Ed Keith
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Blog: edkeith.blogspot.com
Grant Edwards
> On 2010-04-06, Jean-Michel Pichavant <jeanm...@sequans.com> wrote:
>> Pablo Recio Quijano wrote:
>>> Why must be commercial, when there is open and free alternatives? Like
>>> GNU Plot.
>>
>> Gnuplot is ugly. I'm using it because I don't care if it's ugly but it
>> clearly lacks of look & feel for presentations, as requested by the OP.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> In other words, Gnuplot presents information in a clear, obfuscated
stupid spell-checker...
Seriously, most of the graphs I've seen in "presentations" would make
Ed Tufte spin in his grave.
If it's 2D data, you don't need to use a 3D graph.
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Benjamin Kaplan
Just out of curiosity, where does this requirement come from?
Matplotlib (like Python itself) is offered under a license that
basically says "here's the source code. Do whatever you want with it".
Any policy that prevented you from using Matplotlib would prevent you
from using Python too.
superpollo
> On 2010-04-06, Grant Edwards <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2010-04-06, Jean-Michel Pichavant <jeanm...@sequans.com> wrote:
>>> Pablo Recio Quijano wrote:
>>>> Why must be commercial, when there is open and free alternatives? Like
>>>> GNU Plot.
>>> Gnuplot is ugly. I'm using it because I don't care if it's ugly but it
>>> clearly lacks of look & feel for presentations, as requested by the OP.
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>> In other words, Gnuplot presents information in a clear, obfuscated
>
> That should be: unobsuscated
>
> stupid spell-checker...
>
> Seriously, most of the graphs I've seen in "presentations" would make
> Ed Tufte spin in his grave.
didn't know he died.
Michael Torrie
> The requirement for a commercial license comes down to being
> restricted to not using any open source code. If it's an open source
> license it can't be used in our context.
Python itself and all its standard libraries are open source, under the
PSF license, if I recall. Doesn't look like you can use python at all.
You simply cannot write a python program without some open source code
being used.
I don't understand the propensity of companies and individuals to think
of open source code as different than proprietary. It's not at all.
All code that you use that was not written by you or owned by you has to
be used under license from the copyright holder.
Duncan Booth
> Seriously, most of the graphs I've seen in "presentations" would make
> Ed Tufte spin in his grave.
http://flowingdata.com/2010/03/20/powerpoint-and-dying-kittens/
AlienBaby
that we should be able to continue using matplotlib. - the
restrictions on open-source that have been imposed specifically state
it is fine to use the python language, and if matplotlib has the same
license I personally can't see any issue. However, the decision is not
mine.
The company I am with is unsure, and while they will pursue the
possible use of matplotlib with the PSF license, they would prefer I
continued to look into any commercially licensed libraries that could
be used.
...and as it goes, the first thing I fired back at them when I was
told 'no open source can be used' was basically 'What on earth are we
going to use to code it in...' and that the 'no open source'
restriciton as given was overly broad when you think about it.
Robert Kern
He hasn't.
--
Robert Kern
"I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma
that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had
an underlying truth."
-- Umberto Eco
Grant Edwards
If'd seen some of those graphs he would have.
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Grant Edwards
:)
Years ago I was walking past a marketing guy's cube, and on his cube
wall he had Minard's famous "Napolean's March" graph that Tufte so
admired. I asked him if he had read Tufte's book "The Visual Display
of Quantitative Information" (in which the graph appears). He replied
that no he hadn't read Tufte's book -- he'd gotten that graph from a
power-point-driven lecture in some MBA class or other.
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Lie Ryan
> On 2010-04-06, Grant Edwards <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2010-04-06, Jean-Michel Pichavant <jeanm...@sequans.com> wrote:
>>> Pablo Recio Quijano wrote:
>>>> Why must be commercial, when there is open and free alternatives? Like
>>>> GNU Plot.
>>>
>>> Gnuplot is ugly. I'm using it because I don't care if it's ugly but it
>>> clearly lacks of look & feel for presentations, as requested by the OP.
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>> In other words, Gnuplot presents information in a clear, obfuscated
>
> That should be: unobsuscated
>
> stupid spell-checker...
is unobsuscated an obsuscated version of unobfuscated?
Grant Edwards
defniately.
--
Grant
David Bolen
> I'd be grateful for any suggestions / pointers to something useful,
Ignoring the commercial vs. open source discussion, although it was a
few years ago, I found Chart Director (http://www.advsofteng.com/) to
work very well, with plenty of platform and language support,
including Python.
-- David
Giacomo Boffi
> If it's 2D data, you don't need to use a 3D graph.
if it's tabular data, you don't need an uber-histogram
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giampippetto, coso, come si chiama? ah si` "MMAX" ha scritto:
> Tra il trascendente e l'interpretazione prevalente del dato come
> assioma ne passa...