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TM

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Mar 21, 2001, 8:44:52 PM3/21/01
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Hi everybody,

I'm wondering if the last books on Python are good. Thanks for your
points of view.
I'm especially thinking about :

1/Programming Python 2nd edition @ O'reilly
2/ Core Python Programming / Chun / Prentice Hall
3/ Python Essential Reference / David Beazley / New Riders Publishing

Thanks again


Don Tuttle

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Mar 21, 2001, 10:46:17 PM3/21/01
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"TM"

All 3 are excellent books. You won't go wrong with any of them. (Althought
you might want to wait til June for Beazley's 2nd edition.) For more info
see the tread "Learning Python..."

Don

alan runyan

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Mar 21, 2001, 10:59:54 PM3/21/01
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how are you approaching python? what is your level of experience w/ python?
what kinda books do you like? reference, explanatory, or 'by example' ? My
favorite is Essential Reference, David Beazley did a incredible job.

1/Programming Python 2nd edition @ O'reilly

Very big, has quite a bit of information (4-5 chapters) on Tkinter (which I
dont use at all), socket programming (which I do use), internet applications
(HTMLgen, ZOPE, etc). The book is massive and has small type face, packed
full of information. Examples tend to be a bit longer than Core Python. If
you want tons of information and especially plan on using Tkinter, this is
definetly the best book out of the three. I feel this book is very good and
tends to get a bit more detailed than Core Python, but I only use ~40% of
the information.

2/ Core Python Programming / Chun / Prentice Hall

I recommended a friend of mine this book, and I read quite a bit of it.
Very well laid out, nice type face, very good (brief) examples. I would
recommend this book. My friend read Core Python and Programming Ruby at the
same time -- comparing the two languages. At first he didnt like it, but
after he finished it he said it was a *very* good intro and has a very idea
of python now. *NOTE* he finished the book. I wouldnt imagine finishing
Programming Python. He also concluded Ruby didnt offer anything else that
Python didnt have (that he would use) and likes the elegance.

3/ Python Essential Reference / David Beazley / New Riders Publishing

My favorite python book, great reference book if you already know python, or
like Nutshell books. type face is very small ;( but its compact and full
of all sorts of goodies. not as many examples as a newbie would like. at
work, all the people who use python, snatch this from each others desk. if
you like books and already familiar w/ python -- this is a must.

cheers,
~runyaga

Timothy Grant

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Mar 21, 2001, 11:56:40 PM3/21/01
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On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 01:44:52AM +0000, TM wrote:
> 3/ Python Essential Reference / David Beazley / New Riders Publishing

The title says it all, this is *definitely* an Essential book.
Short, Informative, Concise. An alltogether excellent book.
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Nick Efford

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Mar 22, 2001, 7:39:44 AM3/22/01
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On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 03:46:17 GMT, Don Tuttle <tutt...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> All 3 are excellent books. You won't go wrong with any of them. (Althought
> you might want to wait til June for Beazley's 2nd edition.) For more info

I find Beazley's book indispensible once you've learned the language.
Good to hear that a 2nd edition is imminent...


N.

Steve Lamb

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Mar 22, 2001, 8:12:11 AM3/22/01
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On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 03:59:54 GMT, alan runyan <run...@thisbox.com> wrote:
>how are you approaching python? what is your level of experience w/ python?
>what kinda books do you like? reference, explanatory, or 'by example' ? My
>favorite is Essential Reference, David Beazley did a incredible job.

No disrespect towards Beazley, he's a large reason why I work in Python as
much as I can now but his book semmed to be pretty much a dump of the
postscript of the website to a printer. Not that that is a bad thing as it is
the /only/ Python book I own and one I recommend to anyone who has passing
familiarity with other scripting languages (Perl comes to mind). You're
correct in stating it is sparse on the examples but it is a rare case where
I've really needed the examples. Python being as interactive as it is I tend
to learn by firing up Python in a separate window and then playing with the
syntax until it works out in that session before plopping it into my script.

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Steve Holden

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Mar 22, 2001, 10:19:54 PM3/22/01
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"Steve Lamb" <gr...@despair.rpglink.com> wrote in message
news:slrn9bjuh...@teleute.dmiyu.org...

> On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 03:59:54 GMT, alan runyan <run...@thisbox.com> wrote:
> >how are you approaching python? what is your level of experience w/
python?
> >what kinda books do you like? reference, explanatory, or 'by example' ?
My
> >favorite is Essential Reference, David Beazley did a incredible job.
>
> No disrespect towards Beazley, he's a large reason why I work in
Python as
> much as I can now but his book semmed to be pretty much a dump of the
> postscript of the website to a printer. Not that that is a bad thing as
it is
> the /only/ Python book I own and one I recommend to anyone who has passing
> familiarity with other scripting languages (Perl comes to mind). You're
> correct in stating it is sparse on the examples but it is a rare case
where
> I've really needed the examples. Python being as interactive as it is I
tend
> to learn by firing up Python in a separate window and then playing with
the
> syntax until it works out in that session before plopping it into my
script.
>
I would disagree with that (just so no-one can say this is a "me too" post
:-).

Beazley travels with me so I don't need to look up the ActiveState help
files as often as I otherwise would. If I can find it quicker offline, I'll
spend the money on the dead trees.

Prime collection is currently "Learning Python" (despite its age), "Win32
Programming in Python" and "Python Essential Reference". The rest have their
place, but it's in the bookshelf, not the briefcase.

regards
Steve

Robin Becker

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Mar 23, 2001, 5:36:58 AM3/23/01
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I like Beazley's book. I like the online quick reference (1999/05/17,
upgraded by Richard Gruet, rgr...@ina.fr from V1.3 ref: 1995/10/30, by
Chris Hoffmann, chof...@vicorp.com) as well. If this were upgraded to
2.0/2.1 it would be a real benefit.
--
Robin Becker

Brett Haydon

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Mar 24, 2001, 1:00:50 AM3/24/01
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Snap!

> Prime collection is currently "Learning Python" (despite its age), "Win32
> Programming in Python" and "Python Essential Reference". The rest have
their
> place, but it's in the bookshelf, not the briefcase.

though haven't really used Python Essential Ref much..
Looking foward to the new OReilly Python book, though I fear fitting it
in the briefcase may be out of the question.

Brett


Fredrik Lundh

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Mar 24, 2001, 6:34:14 AM3/24/01
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Brett Haydon wrote:
> > Prime collection is currently "Learning Python" (despite its age), "Win32
> > Programming in Python" and "Python Essential Reference". The rest have
> > their place, but it's in the bookshelf, not the briefcase.
>
> Looking foward to the new OReilly Python book, though I fear fitting it
> in the briefcase may be out of the question.

it's only 300 pages or so, so that shouldn't be much
of a problem... oh, you meant PP2E? ;-)

Cheers /F


Jonathan Soons

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Mar 24, 2001, 9:16:37 AM3/24/01
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"Snap!" is not understood outside former Commonwealth countries.
It's use causes culture shock.


-----Original Message-----
From: Brett Haydon
To: pytho...@python.org
Sent: 3/24/01 1:00 AM
Subject: Re: Please rate these Python books

Snap!


> Prime collection is currently "Learning Python" (despite its age),
"Win32
> Programming in Python" and "Python Essential Reference". The rest have
their
> place, but it's in the bookshelf, not the briefcase.

though haven't really used Python Essential Ref much..


Looking foward to the new OReilly Python book, though I fear fitting it
in the briefcase may be out of the question.

Brett


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Brett Haydon

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Mar 24, 2001, 9:50:40 PM3/24/01
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Trumped by a Joker...
"Jonathan Soons" <jso...@juilliard.edu> wrote in message
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>
> "Snap!" is not understood outside former Commonwealth countries.
> It's use causes culture shock.
>
...Sorry now I'm getting images of Monty Pythons "and now for something
different" phrase book sketch.

Is Monty Python universal??

Brett

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Nick Efford

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Mar 26, 2001, 7:14:59 AM3/26/01
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On Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:34:14 GMT, Fredrik Lundh <fre...@pythonware.com> wrote:

> > Looking foward to the new OReilly Python book, though I fear fitting it
> > in the briefcase may be out of the question.
>
> it's only 300 pages or so, so that shouldn't be much
> of a problem... oh, you meant PP2E? ;-)

....Speaking of which, when is your book out? The O'Reilly
website says April on one page, May on another.


Nick

Fredrik Lundh

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Mar 26, 2001, 2:28:12 PM3/26/01
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Nick Eff-ord wrote:
> > it's only 300 pages or so, so that shouldn't be much
> > of a problem... oh, you meant PP2E? ;-)
>
> ....Speaking of which, when is your book out? The O'Reilly
> website says April on one page, May on another.

either late april, or early may. for the moment, your guess
is as good as mine ;-)

Cheers /F


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