This is a bit vague, I'm afraid, but is there any way for me to take code like:
a = Foo() beta = Bar()
and somehow attach the string "a" to the Foo instance and "beta" to the Bar instance. At some later point in the program I want to be able to look at the Bar instance and say to the user "this was called beta in your routine".
The motivation is debugging an embedded domain specific language and the solution has to be cross platform for Python 3+ (bonus points for Python 2 too).
Obviously I can parse the code, but I was wondering if there was some other (no doubt terribly hacky) approach. Even some idea of what to google for would be a help...
For example, I assume it's possible to somehow access the dictionary for the current block, but I can't see how to do this after assignment. If I do it in the Foo constructor, for example, "a" will not yet be bound.
On Sep 23, 8:15 pm, andrew cooke <and...@acooke.org> wrote:
> This is a bit vague, I'm afraid, but is there any way for me to take > code like:
> a = Foo() > beta = Bar()
> and somehow attach the string "a" to the Foo instance and "beta" to > the Bar instance. At some later point in the program I want to be
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 01:15:14 +0100, andrew cooke <and...@acooke.org> wrote:
> This is a bit vague, I'm afraid, but is there any way for me to take > code like:
> a = Foo() > beta = Bar()
> and somehow attach the string "a" to the Foo instance and "beta" to > the Bar instance. At some later point in the program I want to be > able to look at the Bar instance and say to the user "this was called > beta in your routine".
Fundamentally, not without the user's collusion. The best you can do if you don't have access to the right namespace dictionary is to pass the object a name explicitly:
class Foo(object): def __init__(self, name): self.name = name # ...and anything else
a = Foo('a')
The problem is that objects can have more than one name at a time, and that assignment targets can be more than simple names. What would you want to say about:
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 01:34:35 +0100, andrew cooke <and...@acooke.org> wrote:
> For example, I assume it's possible to somehow access the dictionary > for the current block, but I can't see how to do this after > assignment. If I do it in the Foo constructor, for example, "a" will > not yet be bound.
I apologise for failing to notice earlier that you know what you're talking about. I blame the hour :-)
I'm not sure you can access the namespace dictionary of the "current block" (module?), that's the problem. Oh, except via locals(), which might do exactly what you're after depending. Excuse me, I'm being very dim tonight.
-- Rhodri James *-* Wildebeest Herder to the Masses
these are valid points, but in practice the main use (for the restricted application i care about) is si,ple variables, and this is an "optional extra" to help the user, so it's OK if it only works sometimes. at the moment i'd be happy with any half-baked unreliable solution that is transparent...
andrew cooke wrote: > This is a bit vague, I'm afraid, but is there any way for me to take > code like:
> a = Foo() > beta = Bar()
> and somehow attach the string "a" to the Foo instance and "beta" to > the Bar instance. At some later point in the program I want to be > able to look at the Bar instance and say to the user "this was called > beta in your routine".
> The motivation is debugging an embedded domain specific language and > the solution has to be cross platform for Python 3+ (bonus points for > Python 2 too).
> Obviously I can parse the code, but I was wondering if there was some > other (no doubt terribly hacky) approach. Even some idea of what to > google for would be a help...
> Thanks, > Andrew
This comes up periodically in this list, and the answer is always something like: you can't get there from here. As you have noticed, it can't be done in the __init__() of the object, since the symbol it'll be bound to doesn't generally exist yet, and even if it does, there's no way to know which one it is.
You could write a function that the user could voluntarily call at the end of his function, that would find all symbols of a specified kind, and store the kind of information you're asking about. But of course, some class instances should not be added to, and some cannot. So you'd need some form of filter to indicate which ones to do.
In the sample below, I'll assume you want to do this for all classes derived from Mybase.
(untested):
def label_stuff(symbols): for symbol in symbols: if isinstance(symbols[symbol], Mybase): symbols[symbol].bind_name = symbol
And the user would simply make a call at the end of each such function, like:
def my_func(): a = ... b = ... label_stuff(locals)
for the record, googling for "f_back.f_locals" reveals a wide variety of similar hacks and also a cleaner way to access the current frame: inspect.currentframe()
On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 18:10:10 -0700, andrew cooke wrote: > these are valid points, but in practice the main use (for the restricted > application i care about) is si,ple variables, and this is an "optional > extra" to help the user, so it's OK if it only works sometimes. at the > moment i'd be happy with any half-baked unreliable solution that is > transparent...
Speaking as a user (although not of Andrew's domain specific language), I'd like to say to developers PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't try to "help me" with half-baked unreliable solutions that only work sometimes.
There's few things worse than unreliable tools that break just when you've come to rely on them.
On Sep 23, 5:49 pm, "Rhodri James" <rho...@wildebst.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 01:34:35 +0100, andrew cooke <and...@acooke.org> wrote:
> > For example, I assume it's possible to somehow access the dictionary > > for the current block, but I can't see how to do this after > > assignment. If I do it in the Foo constructor, for example, "a" will > > not yet be bound.
> I apologise for failing to notice earlier that you know what you're > talking about. I blame the hour :-)
> I'm not sure you can access the namespace dictionary of the "current > block" (module?), that's the problem. Oh, except via locals(), which > might do exactly what you're after depending. Excuse me, I'm being > very dim tonight.
Hmmm.
@contextlib.contextmanager def capture_changed_bindings(): before = sys._getframe(2).f_locals.copy() changed = {} yield changed after = sys._getframe(2).f_locals for key,value in after.iteritems(): if value is changed: continue if key not in before or value is not before[key]: changed[key] = value
def test(): a = 2 b = 3 c = 4 with capture_changed_bindings() as changed: b = 5 c = 4 d = 6 print changed
test()
Quick and dirty, not robust at all. But you get the idea.
Did you try this inside a function? (Hint: it won't work in a function.)
BTW, if you are desperate to do this then I'd say you lack good perspective. You are subverting some of the most basic behavior of Python here for something of marginal and only occasional usefulness. If you are that desperate just retype the name, it won't be the end of the world.
<ste...@REMOVE.THIS.cybersource.com.au> wrote: > Speaking as a user (although not of Andrew's domain specific language), > I'd like to say to developers PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't try to "help me" > with half-baked unreliable solutions that only work sometimes.
> There's few things worse than unreliable tools that break just when > you've come to rely on them.
The context is that I am looking at how best to provide debugging support for a recursive descent parser. If the actions are pure then the whole thing is deterministic, so it might be possible to do something like "buddha" (a declarative debugger for haskell). I'm also looking for a paper that was linked to somewhere this last month or so on one of the popular sites/blogs about debugging prolog (since the two are closely related - depth first search etc) - I know this is vague, but if it rings a bell with anyone... Anyway, doing this in pure Python makes risks losing the information associated with variable names. I was wondering how I might reduce that.
The reason I asked for "unreliable half-baked" solutions is that I am exploring what might be possible and, in my experience, this group prefers to lecture me on what they think I should do rather than answer the damn question. I was hoping that by explicitly saying that reliability is not important, people might feel more free to give "wild" ideas that I could learn from and improve on.
It's significant, depressing, and not at all surprising that every person who replied to this thread told me, in one way or another, that was I was asking was wrong or impossible or foolhardy.
If I want your advice on how to write popular tools, you can be sure I will come and ask you for it. That is not what I asked for here.
But since we're all passing round unsolicited advice, here's some from me.
Being an anal retentive will get you a long way in programming. Dotting the "i"s and crossing the "t"s is 99% of what it's all about. I agree. But the last 1% requires a little bit of imagination. You should try it one day.
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:39:57 +0100, andrew cooke <and...@acooke.org> wrote: > On Sep 24, 5:20 am, Steven D'Aprano > <ste...@REMOVE.THIS.cybersource.com.au> wrote: >> Speaking as a user (although not of Andrew's domain specific language), >> I'd like to say to developers PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't try to "help >> me" >> with half-baked unreliable solutions that only work sometimes.
>> There's few things worse than unreliable tools that break just when >> you've come to rely on them.
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> The reason I asked for "unreliable half-baked" solutions is that I am > exploring what might be possible and, in my experience, this group > prefers to lecture me on what they think I should do rather than > answer the damn question. I was hoping that by explicitly saying that > reliability is not important, people might feel more free to give > "wild" ideas that I could learn from and improve on.
> It's significant, depressing, and not at all surprising that every > person who replied to this thread told me, in one way or another, that > was I was asking was wrong or impossible or foolhardy.
I did apologise. I'm now going to recant, because (a) you're being an arse, and (b) I agree 100% with Steven here. If a tool is going to break on my when I need it (i.e. in the complicated cases), I don't bother using that tool again.
-- Rhodri James *-* Wildebeest Herder to the Masses
On Sep 24, 5:39 am, andrew cooke <and...@acooke.org> wrote:
> It's significant, depressing, and not at all surprising that every > person who replied to this thread told me, in one way or another, that > was I was asking was wrong or impossible or foolhardy.
People on this list are volunteers, who have no obligation to help.
If you want always friendly, enabling advice I'm sure there are good support services out there who would be happy not to second-guess you for a fee.