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Andrew Jonathan Fine

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Dec 28, 2009, 2:32:10 AM12/28/09
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To whom it may concern,

I am the author of "Honeywell Avoids Documentation Costs with Python
and other Open Standards!"

I was laid off by Honeywell several months after I had made my
presentation in the 2005 Python Conference.

Since then I have been unable to find work either as a software
engineer or in any other capacity, even at service jobs. I've sent
resumes and have been consistently ignored.

What I have been doing in the meantime is to be a full time homemaker
and parent. As a hobby to keep me sane, I am attempting to retrain
part time at home as a jeweler and silversmith, and I sometimes used
Python for generating and manipulating code for CNC machines.

For my own peace of mind, however, I very much want to be doing
software work again because I feel so greatly ashamed to have
dedicated my life to learning and working in the field only to now
find myself on the scrap heap.

I find it highly ironic that my solution is still being advertised on
the Python web site but that I, the author of that solution, am now a
long term unemployment statistic.

Please, if there is anyone out there who needs a highly creative and
highly skilled software designer for new and completely original work,
then for the love of God I implore you to contact me.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

Sincerely,

Andrew Jonathan Fine
BEE, MSCS, 15 years experience, 5 in Python, the rest in C/C++,
about 1/3 embedded design and device drivers, and 2/3 in applications.

joy99

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Dec 28, 2009, 3:32:36 AM12/28/09
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On Dec 28, 12:32 pm, Andrew Jonathan Fine <eternalsqu...@hotmail.com>
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Dear Sir,
It seems it is pretty tough situation for you. I heard US/EU are badly
wriggling through slump and all. But I never heard of this kind.

But in India, things are bit different. All major concerns are
recruiting. But well, I do not know whether it will match your living
standards. In India major technology is C/C++ or Java. You can find
out even Honeywell has a big set up in India.

I know one person of e-mail id "joy9...@gmail.com", he is most
probably has lot of Python profiles. I got this contact from this room
only. You can have a try. Python job board also has lot of offerings.
What about them? Can you think earning from some open projects for
time being. Rentacoder may be tried. Though I feel their process is
bit complicated and time-taking.

Hope coming new year will be good for you.
Wishing you a happy and prosperous new year.

Regards,
Subhabrata.
Delhi,
India.

Propad

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Dec 28, 2009, 5:34:02 AM12/28/09
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Hello Mr. Fine,
I just read your mail on the Python Google Group. I've been in
situations of searching a job many times now - in the meantime, it's
not employments but projects I'm looking for, as I'm working as a
contractor.
While I'm currently doing reasonably well, I've never been quite
comfortable with my position, as I've experienced it several times,
one day you're The King, the other day the company's out of money, and
you're just too expensive to keep. So I went on searching for ways to
make my job more secure, and I just managed to buy a book named "Rapid
Learning" by Steve Litt. It took me several years to do so, because
the gentelman was not sending his book outside of the USA (well he
does to Canada, but I'm in Germany).
It just could be, that the book contains solutions to your situation,
as it's both about learning new technology rapidly, but also and
foremostly about selling yourself succsessfully as a competent
Programer/SW-Engineer/you-name-it. And not in a sleazy way, but still
effectively, in my opinion. It also deals with all kinds of obstacles
one can encounter while searching a job, based on age/race/area of
residence/an out-of-the-norm CV.
So just in case you want to consider the part shown in the book,
here's the link:
http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore/rl.htm
Much of Mr. Litt-s job-searching-philosophy is also presented in
several articles on his website, but in your situation, I'd not stop
there, but go for the book.
I wish you success in your search and a Happy New Year.
All the best,
Nenad

Steve Holden

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Dec 28, 2009, 8:21:38 AM12/28/09
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Andrew:

I am sorry to hear about your predicament. Unfortunately Holden Web
isn't hiring, so I can't offer you a job, but I wanted to at least thank
you for your support of Python and commiserate with you. These are
difficult times to be looking for work in the USA.

Do you follow the Python Job Board? It's a resource that not everyone
knows about, where employers are allowed to post free for the benefit of
Python community members who may be looking for a job.

http://www.python.org/community/jobs/

Hope this helps.

regards
Steve
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PyCon is coming! Atlanta, Feb 2010 http://us.pycon.org/
Holden Web LLC http://www.holdenweb.com/
UPCOMING EVENTS: http://holdenweb.eventbrite.com/

webtourist

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Dec 28, 2009, 11:20:43 AM12/28/09
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Andrew I'm very sorry to hear your situation.
This is, I don't know how else to put it, so hard to believe - that
someone like you has been jobless since 2005,
well over 2 years before the "big bust".
Good luck to you.

Eric_...@msn.com

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Dec 28, 2009, 2:50:57 PM12/28/09
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On Dec 28, 1:32 am, Andrew Jonathan Fine <eternalsqu...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

I do the dex tracker project but I have never made anything more than
some advertising money from it. I would welcome some help it is
possible that it could be a little bit more commercial available on cd
produced on demand but I don't see it being a very large thing. It
does count as experience though on a resume

http://dextracker.blogspot.com/

Andrew Jonathan Fine

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Dec 28, 2009, 2:55:48 PM12/28/09
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> UPCOMING EVENTS:        http://holdenweb.eventbrite.com/- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

Yes, I have been following that board for years.

Andrew Jonathan Fine

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Dec 28, 2009, 2:57:05 PM12/28/09
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Well, you can believe it.

John Bokma

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Dec 28, 2009, 3:19:03 PM12/28/09
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Wat works for me (as a Perl programmer): blogging. My blog isn't even
mainly about Perl but does have some Perl related entries. And pages
that mention my skills and how to contact me for work. I do get work
that way.

Besides, I do also very small things in exchange for (technical) books.

It might take you at least a year or so to get sufficient traffic, but
if you blog more (than I on Perl) on Python you and keep updating your
skills, and show to your visitors what you can do.

--
John Bokma

Read my blog: http://johnbokma.com/
Hire me (Perl/Python): http://castleamber.com/

Diez B. Roggisch

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Dec 29, 2009, 6:59:10 AM12/29/09
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> Please, if there is anyone out there who needs a highly creative and
> highly skilled software designer for new and completely original work,
> then for the love of God I implore you to contact me.

You don't write if you are willing to relocate, and if yes, if outside
the USA is an option.

We hire skilled python employees in Berlin. Not speaking german is no
problem, neither at work nor in the city itself.

Take a look:

http://www.ableton.com/jobs


All the best,


Diez

Aahz

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Jan 13, 2010, 4:16:20 PM1/13/10
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In article <cbc2f05a-f52a-4f58...@r24g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,

Andrew Jonathan Fine <eterna...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>I was laid off by Honeywell several months after I had made my
>presentation in the 2005 Python Conference.
>
>Since then I have been unable to find work either as a software
>engineer or in any other capacity, even at service jobs. I've sent
>resumes and have been consistently ignored.

You don't say where you're located, which probably has some effect. I
was laid off a year ago and after taking a couple of months off, I found
a new job at the end of July. I don't have a degree, but I do have a
fairly high profile in the Python community, and I'm located in the SF
Bay Area. I also got my previous job in 2004 partly through having a
high profile.

I'm not pretending it's easy, and I do think luck played a significant
role, but I also think that you can take action to improve your odds.

Incidentally, my company has had a fair amount of difficulty finding
Python programmers -- anyone in the SF area looking for a job near
Mountain View?
--
Aahz (aa...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait
until you hire an amateur." --Red Adair

Phlip

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Jan 13, 2010, 7:47:36 PM1/13/10
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> Andrew Jonathan Fine wrote:

>> I was laid off by Honeywell several months after I had made my
>> presentation in the 2005 Python Conference.
>>
>> Since then I have been unable to find work either as a software
>> engineer or in any other capacity, even at service jobs. I've sent
>> resumes and have been consistently ignored.

6 years ago the silver bullet there was Java. Today, it is Rails. I happen to
suspect Django has a superior architecture, but it's still RoR that's flying off
the shelves these days. (And, under MERB's tutelage, they will soon surpass
Django for modularity!)

--
Phlip
http://zeekland.zeroplayer.com/Uncle_Wiggilys_Travels/1

Paul Rubin

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Jan 14, 2010, 2:14:33 PM1/14/10
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aa...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) writes:
> Incidentally, my company has had a fair amount of difficulty finding
> Python programmers -- anyone in the SF area looking for a job near
> Mountain View?

I'm surprised there aren't a ton of Python programmers there, given
that's where Brand G is and so forth. Anyway, when posting that type of
message, it would probably be helpful to describe what your company
does, what you're looking for, and (if possible) supply a url.

Robert Kern

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Jan 14, 2010, 2:30:14 PM1/14/10
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On 2010-01-14 13:14 PM, Paul Rubin wrote:
> aa...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) writes:
>> Incidentally, my company has had a fair amount of difficulty finding
>> Python programmers -- anyone in the SF area looking for a job near
>> Mountain View?
>
> I'm surprised there aren't a ton of Python programmers there, given
> that's where Brand G is and so forth.

They probably absorb more (good) Python programmers than they spit back out.

--
Robert Kern

"I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma
that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had
an underlying truth."
-- Umberto Eco

Jean-Michel Pichavant

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Jan 14, 2010, 2:32:35 PM1/14/10
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We're all python fanatics around here, no need to know more than the job
is about to write Python code !
The real question is "is there enough space for my 3x4 meters poster of
Guido ?" :o)

JM

Aahz

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Jan 14, 2010, 3:22:18 PM1/14/10
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In article <mailman.929.12634974...@python.org>,

Robert Kern <rober...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 2010-01-14 13:14 PM, Paul Rubin wrote:
>> aa...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) writes:
>>>
>>> Incidentally, my company has had a fair amount of difficulty finding
>>> Python programmers -- anyone in the SF area looking for a job near
>>> Mountain View?
>>
>> I'm surprised there aren't a ton of Python programmers there, given
>> that's where Brand G is and so forth.
>
>They probably absorb more (good) Python programmers than they spit back out.

Bingo -- I call it "The Giant Google Sucking Sound"

Aahz

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Jan 14, 2010, 3:24:19 PM1/14/10
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In article <7x4omos...@ruckus.brouhaha.com>,

http://www.egnyte.com/

Basically, at this point we're just looking for competent Python
developers who have a reasonably broad experience, preferably with some
web development background. There's a non-current ad on the Python Job
Board that I need to update.

Novocastrian_Nomad

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Jan 14, 2010, 5:17:40 PM1/14/10
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Why is it so many, so called high tech companies, insist on the 19th
century practice of demanding an employee's physical presence in a
specific geographic location.

This is the 21st century with climate change, carbon footprints,
broadband internet, telecommuting, tele-presence, telephones, fax
machines, mobile phones, electronic funds transfer, express shipping
companies and a host of other gadgets and applications, that make
geographic location almost irrelevant.

I know whereof I speak, I have been fortunate enough to work remotely
(across the country) for the last ten years, for two different
employers.

(possibly OT rant over)

Aahz

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Jan 14, 2010, 6:31:01 PM1/14/10
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In article <6a12ed15-e7f9-43ab...@o28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,

Novocastrian_Nomad <gregory...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Why is it so many, so called high tech companies, insist on the 19th
>century practice of demanding an employee's physical presence in a
>specific geographic location.

Because it works better? My current job is mostly done at the office,
and I think it leads to better morale in many ways. I'm not sure about
productivity, though.

Paul Boddie

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Jan 14, 2010, 6:34:51 PM1/14/10
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On 28 Des 2009, 08:32, Andrew Jonathan Fine

<eternalsqu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>   As a hobby to keep me sane, I am attempting to retrain
> part time at home as a jeweler and silversmith, and I sometimes used
> Python for generating and manipulating code for CNC machines.

It occurs to me that in some domains, this combination of Python and
the design and production of physical artifacts could be fairly
attractive, even though it may or may not be what you want to focus on
in pursuing a software career. For example, I follow the goings-on in
the various open hardware communities, and there isn't really a
shortage of boards, controllers, components or chipsets which can be
put to use, but taking these things and producing a well-designed case
in order to deliver a readily usable piece of equipment is something
which seems beyond most of the interested parties: people who know one
thing well can be completely oblivious of the ways of another thing.

Sometimes, it seems to pay to be knowledgeable in two different kinds
of endeavour whose practitioners rarely interact, and perhaps there
might be opportunities for you in this regard. Nevertheless, I
obviously wish you success in your employment search.

Paul

Phlip

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Jan 14, 2010, 6:37:44 PM1/14/10
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Aahz wrote:
> In article <6a12ed15-e7f9-43ab...@o28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
> Novocastrian_Nomad <gregory...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Why is it so many, so called high tech companies, insist on the 19th
>> century practice of demanding an employee's physical presence in a
>> specific geographic location.
>
> Because it works better? My current job is mostly done at the office,
> and I think it leads to better morale in many ways. I'm not sure about
> productivity, though.

Ironically, I have heard that if your bossoids are enlightened enough to require
pair programming for most development, and if you install a full telecommuting
rig of remote eyeballs, Skype with audio, and a remote desktop solution such as
VNC, you can remotely pair very productively.

(He posted from work, soloing! ;)

--
Phlip

Paul Rubin

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Jan 14, 2010, 10:00:55 PM1/14/10
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Novocastrian_Nomad <gregory...@gmail.com> writes:
> I know whereof I speak, I have been fortunate enough to work remotely
> (across the country) for the last ten years, for two different employers.

Some like working remotely, others don't. I had to work remotely for my
last couple of jobs. I hated it. I want to actually see my co-workers
(not necessarily every single day, but as a normal part of work and not
something unusual) so that handwaving discussions actually involve
meaningful waving of the hands. YMMV.

Steve Holden

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Jan 14, 2010, 10:28:22 PM1/14/10
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And don't forget the Python Jobs Board. Google is your (Mountain View)
friend. Hey, maybe they are sucking the pythonicity into a local vortex
and you are suffering the consequent low pythonicity quotient? I must be
a bit like living next door to the 800 lb python ...

Steve Holden

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Jan 14, 2010, 10:28:22 PM1/14/10
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And don't forget the Python Jobs Board. Google is your (Mountain View)

Steve Holden

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Jan 14, 2010, 10:31:35 PM1/14/10
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Steve Holden

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Jan 14, 2010, 11:05:41 PM1/14/10
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Speaking as someone who does a lot of remote work, I can honestly say
that for the right opportunity (e.g. the chance to work with a
particularly bright team) I could be persuaded to lower my rate and/or
travel.

The contracts I cherish are the onces that give me the opportunity
(though not usually 100% of working hours) interact through the face
with other professionals. I find local working groups and interest
groups very valuable for this (when I can find time to do it), but I am
probably lucky in spending a lot of time around DC and some round NYC,
both major IT markets.

Steve Holden

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Jan 14, 2010, 11:05:41 PM1/14/10
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Speaking as someone who does a lot of remote work, I can honestly say

Simon Brunning

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Jan 15, 2010, 6:59:58 AM1/15/10
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2010/1/14 Novocastrian_Nomad <gregory...@gmail.com>:

> Why is it so many, so called high tech companies, insist on the 19th
> century practice of demanding an employee's physical presence in a
> specific geographic location.

Pair programming and co-location with your end users both hugely
increase real productivity, in my experience. The programmer-to-code
step is only one of many parts of the process.

--
Cheers,
Simon B.

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