Please give me any arguments to cut him down about his commnets
like :"keep programing i python. maybe, one day, you will be able to
program in VisualBasic"

http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html

Klick on Perl & Python respectively to see who's going to need to use
something else some day.

But the real problem is not your friend - it's you. He hurts you because
you let him. Stop getting mad about that he teases you.

These days Python is mentioned in a lot of tech-articles. Perl is never
mentioned as a rival in those articles. Other languages like Ruby are.

Ok I am Python biased, but I don't see anything happen on the Perl front
anymore. It has simply gone quiet.

--

hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark

Google big enough?

...or look at the companies on the "NASA uses Python... ...so does:"
box on the top (nearly top any how!) right of http://www.python.org/

On 22/04/2008, azrael <jura.gro...@gmail.com> wrote:

There was once a young man who absolutely loved clowns.  He always
dreamed of meeting a clown, and laughing at their silly antics, but he
lived in a rural small town and never got to see any.

Then one day when the circus came to town.  The young man was
unbelievably excited, he was finally going to be able to see a clown!
He camped out at the ticket booth and was the first in line to get a
ticket, because he so loved clowns that he wanted to sit right up
front.

The yound man never had a better time in his life, watching all the
clowns and their funny tricks.  Then a young talented clown came out
to work the crowd.  He went right up to the young man, who couldn't
believe his luck: a clown was doing his act with him!

The clown asked the man, "Are you front end of an ass?"

The young man said, "Um, no."

Then the clown asked the man, "Are you the rear end of an ass?"

The young man, a little confused, said, "No."

Then the clown, with nearly perfect comedic timing, said, "Then you
must be no end of an ass!"

The crowd roared with laughter, but the young man was crushed.  He
couldn't believe that the clowns he adored so much could be so mean.

He went home from the circus utterly distraught and humiliated, and
soon fell into a deep depression.  He eventually lost his job, then
his home.  He became a vagrant and spent his days living on the
streets.

The years passed by.

One day, the now old man saw that the circus was coming back to town.
And not only that, but the same clown who had humiliated him years ago
was headlining the circus.  It brought back terrible and long-
suppressed memories, which he told to a social worker at the homeless
shelter he was staying at.

The social worker felt very moved by the old man's story, and told the
old man, "You know, maybe you could overcome with your problems if you
could face that clown again and give him his comeupance."

The old man was horrified.  After the incident he had developed an
intense fear of clowns.  Yet he somehow felt the social worker was
right.  "I'd like to do that," he said, "but what if the clown
humilates me again?"

"Don't worry," said the social worker, "I have the perfect retort."

So the social worker and the old man bought front row seats to the
circus.  Within a few minutes, the old man was enjoying himself
immensely.  It was the best therapy he'd ever had, and the old man
felt that after so many years he would finally be able to put his life
back together.

Until the final act.

The same clown who had humiliated the old man many years before was
now an old veteran on his final tour.  The clown went right up to the
old man and began to work the same routine.

("Don't worry," whispered the social worker to he old man as the clown
approached, "I have perfect retort.")

The clown asked the old man, "Are you front end of an ass?"

The old man said, "No."

Then the clown asked the old man, "Are you the rear end of an ass?"

The old man, positively scared, meekly said, "No."

Then the clown, with utterly perfect comedic timing, said, "Then you
must be no end of an ass!"

The crowd roared with laughter.  The man was humiliated again.  But
the social winked at him, indicating that he would soon give the clown
the perfect retort.  The old man couldn't wait to hear what it was.

Suddenly the social worker stood up and shouted, "Hey clown!"

The crowd hushed, and clown whirled around to look at him.

"F**k you!"

(It makes even more sense when you consider that Perl programmers
pretty much are clowns.)

What lesson is it intended to teach, other than that "Fuck you" is
somehow a "retort"? I can't see that improving too many situations.

http://www.personal.psu.edu/iua1/pythonvsperl.htm

I don't know your friend, but my guess is that he's not interested in a
logical argument, so he won't be impressed even if you claim that God
himself wrote the Universe in Python. I think he enjoys saying this
stuff simply because you react to it. It's pretty sad that he can't find
something better to do with his time.

If Python works for you and Perl for your friend, you can each keep
using the tool you prefer and be happy about it.

In the meantime you might want to look for some friends that don't find
your anger and frustration entertaining.

You don't even need to swear at the clown to make it work.

On 4/22/08, Max Erickson <maxerick...@gmail.com> wrote:

Big applications are written in JAVA or COBOL or C# or other legacy
programming systems.

If you programm in Python, your applications become quite small. Only
frameworks in Python are big.

best wishes

Harald

Anyway, seeing that nobody has posted on the "big applications"
matter, here are some examples: Zope ( http://www.zope.org ), Medusa
( http://www.nightmare.com/medusa ), Grail ( http://grail.sourceforge.net
).

On the "Python vs. Perl" matter, well, just search "Python Perl" on
Google or some other search engine, you'll literally find nothing but
pages talking about how Python is better than Perl.

On the other hand, I do admit that there's no other language better
than Perl to write a 3-10 line long program. In those cases, the Perl
version will not only be smaller than the C version, but even smaller
than the Python version. This is mostly due to Perls default variables
and "magic" events (like reading a line of a file directly into $_
when you're doing while (<FILE>) {...}, or automatically converting
between integer/string or scalar/list depending on the operators and
context ).

"Hey clown! What happened to Perl 6?"

How can you explain that Python doesn't support the ++ opeator,
whereas at the same time it does support the += operator ???

No python developer I know has been able to answer that.

Istvan Albert a écrit :

'x++' vs 'x += 1' saves 3 characters and is less readable.

'my_long_variable += expression' vs 'my_long_variable =
my_long_variable + expression' saves a lot of characters and is more
readable, because it avoids the duplication of the variable name. When
my_long_variable is a more complex term (perhaps
my_long_variable[some_long_expression]) it's even better.

Plus you get the useful update-in-place behaviour when the left-hand-
side of the += expression is a list.