Ann: Iron Spring PL/I 0.8a Beta is now available
Iron Spring Software
This version adds list-directed input, the DISPLAY statement,
and the condition-handling builtins ONCHAR, ONCODE, ONCOUNT,
ONFILE, ONKEY, ONLOC and ONSOURCE.
A cross-reference listing can now be produced, and subscripted label
constants are supported.
ELF object files can now optionally be generated in addition to the
standard OMF.
A full list of enhancements and bugs fixed is available in the
"readme" file in the zip.
Only the OS/2 version is currently available.
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Andrew Hamilton
<in...@iron-spring.com> wrote:
>21 May, 2009: PL/I beta version 0.8a released.
>
>
>Only the OS/2 version is currently available.
Wow, is this a "teaser" if there ever was one.
Are you "hinting" that a Windows version is on the roadmap?
Normally, it's not a good idea to "pre-announce" your product,
especially if it's more then 3 months off (unless you are IBM or
Microsoft), but in this case, you don't have to worry about any
competition from IBM. :)
>
>http://www.iron-spring.com
>
>[If there are any objections to these occasional announcements please
>email
>info at iron-spring dot com]
Not in my opinion, but I'm just a "mostly lurker" in this group.
-AH
Olafur Gunnlaugsson
> On Thu, 21 May 2009 17:25:46 -0700 (PDT), Iron Spring Software
> <in...@iron-spring.com> wrote:
>
>> 21 May, 2009: PL/I beta version 0.8a released.
>>
>
>> Only the OS/2 version is currently available.
>
> Wow, is this a "teaser" if there ever was one.
>
> Are you "hinting" that a Windows version is on the roadmap?
According to docs on the site he is working or thinking of a Linux
version ....
robin
news:79ad90F...@mid.individual.net...
You could always install OS/2. Warp 3 at least (and IIRC Warp 4)
are free.
Dave Yeo
No they're not. (except there were some magazines with Warp 4). Still
shouldn't be hard to find a cheap version or free version.
I doubt that you could install Warp v3 on anything close to modern
hardware and Warp v4 isn't much better. For Windows it probably would
install under Virtual PC easily.
Dave
robin
> On 07/06/09 08:27 am, robin wrote:
> > "Olafur Gunnlaugsson"<o...@audiotools.com> wrote in message
> > news:79ad90F...@mid.individual.net...
> >> Andrew Hamilton wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 21 May 2009 17:25:46 -0700 (PDT), Iron Spring Software
> >>> <in...@iron-spring.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> 21 May, 2009: PL/I beta version 0.8a released.
>
> >>>> Only the OS/2 version is currently available.
> >>>
> >>> Wow, is this a "teaser" if there ever was one.
> >>>
> >>> Are you "hinting" that a Windows version is on the roadmap?
> >>
> >> According to docs on the site he is working or thinking of a Linux
> >> version ....
> >
> > You could always install OS/2. Warp 3 at least (and IIRC Warp 4)
> > are free.
> No they're not. (except there were some magazines with Warp 4).
IBM's Warp 4 was distributed free, so it's free.
You might have to pay some cash to induce someone to sell you a copy now.
Perhaps it's on IBM's web site; I haven't looked.
> Still
> shouldn't be hard to find a cheap version or free version.
> I doubt that you could install Warp v3 on anything close to modern
> hardware and Warp v4 isn't much better.
Shouldn't be a problem if the hardware has a parallel port,
a CD drive, a floppy drive, and hard disc.
Peter J Seymour
>
> IBM's Warp 4 was distributed free, so it's free.
That's bonkers. OS/2 full versions were always subject to a fee payment.
The fact that some demo versions were inadvertantly released with
unrestricted code doesn't alter that. The fact that some users
unashamedly distributed pirated copies doesn't alter that. If you don't
believe me ask IBM, after all they own the product.
>>
>> I doubt that you could install Warp v3 on anything close to modern
>> hardware and Warp v4 isn't much better.
> Shouldn't be a problem if the hardware has a parallel port,
> a CD drive, a floppy drive, and hard disc.
There's actually a bit more to it than that.
Peter
Peter Flass
> robin wrote:
>>
>> IBM's Warp 4 was distributed free, so it's free.
>
> That's bonkers. OS/2 full versions were always subject to a fee payment.
> The fact that some demo versions were inadvertantly released with
> unrestricted code doesn't alter that. The fact that some users
> unashamedly distributed pirated copies doesn't alter that. If you don't
> believe me ask IBM, after all they own the product.
As usual with new software there were a lot of "not for resale" copies
distributed. These were full versions, not demos, but that still didn't
mean it was free.
>
>>>
>>> I doubt that you could install Warp v3 on anything close to modern
>>> hardware and Warp v4 isn't much better.
> > Shouldn't be a problem if the hardware has a parallel port,
>> a CD drive, a floppy drive, and hard disc.
>
> There's actually a bit more to it than that.
>
A couple of years ago my old system broke and I had to reinstall on a
Compaq evo system -- certainly not "new", but still newer than what Warp
was originally intended to run on. It was a bit annoying compared, e.g.
to modern Linux distros that just install out-of-the-box, but do-able.
I had to replace the IBM disk driver on the install floppy with a newer
version that supported larger disk sizes. After the install I had to
apply the laters fixpacs, which are downloadable. I believe there's
someone who will take your licensed install CD, apply the fixpacs, and
return you an updated CD, for a small fee.
This is off-topic to PL/I, so I'll stop here.
Mark Dodel
-> "Dave Yeo" <dave....@gmail.com> wrote in message news:oat4m.33593$Db2.26107@edtnps83...
-> > On 07/06/09 08:27 am, robin wrote:
-> > > "Olafur Gunnlaugsson"<o...@audiotools.com> wrote in message
-> > > news:79ad90F...@mid.individual.net...
-> > >> Andrew Hamilton wrote:
-> > >>> On Thu, 21 May 2009 17:25:46 -0700 (PDT), Iron Spring Software
-> > >>> <in...@iron-spring.com> wrote:
-> > >>>
-> > >>>> 21 May, 2009: PL/I beta version 0.8a released.
-> >
-> > >>>> Only the OS/2 version is currently available.
-> > >>>
-> > >>> Wow, is this a "teaser" if there ever was one.
-> > >>>
-> > >>> Are you "hinting" that a Windows version is on the roadmap?
-> > >>
-> > >> According to docs on the site he is working or thinking of a Linux
-> > >> version ....
-> > >
-> > > You could always install OS/2. Warp 3 at least (and IIRC Warp 4)
-> > > are free.
->
-> > No they're not. (except there were some magazines with Warp 4).
->
-> IBM's Warp 4 was distributed free, so it's free.
->
-> You might have to pay some cash to induce someone to sell you a copy now.
->
-> Perhaps it's on IBM's web site; I haven't looked.
IBM has never had OS/2 of any version available for free download.
Any downloads of OS/2 are illegal. I believe that quite a few years
ago a PC magazine in Australia had a CD with Warp 4 included, but that
was a limited distribution that was approved by a local IBM marketing
person who wasn't aware that IBM did not want to promote their
operating system. There is a demo CD of eComStation available.
http://ecomstation.com/democd/ eComStation is the OEM oeprating
system based on the last updates of OS/2 (MCP2). I'm told a new demo
CD based on the soon to be released eCS 2.0 is being worked on.
Mark
--
From the eComStation of Mark Dodel
Warpstock 2008 - Santa Cruz, California: http://www.warpstock.org
Warpstock Europe 2008 - D�sseldorf, Germany: http://www.warpstock.eu
robin
news:08F4m.52526$n8.3...@newsfe10.ams2...
> robin wrote:
> >
> > IBM's Warp 4 was distributed free, so it's free.
>
> That's bonkers. OS/2 full versions were always subject to a fee payment.
No they weren't.
It was distributed legally and gratis via computer magazine.
> The fact that some demo versions were inadvertantly released with
> unrestricted code doesn't alter that. The fact that some users
> unashamedly distributed pirated copies doesn't alter that. If you don't
> believe me ask IBM, after all they own the product.
>
> >>
> >> I doubt that you could install Warp v3 on anything close to modern
> >> hardware and Warp v4 isn't much better.
> > Shouldn't be a problem if the hardware has a parallel port,
> > a CD drive, a floppy drive, and hard disc.
>
> There's actually a bit more to it than that.
Sorry, I forgot. 4Mb of memory as well.
robin
news:h2v944$25d$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> Peter J Seymour wrote:
> > robin wrote:
> >>
> >> IBM's Warp 4 was distributed free, so it's free.
> >
> > That's bonkers. OS/2 full versions were always subject to a fee payment.
> > The fact that some demo versions were inadvertantly released with
> > unrestricted code doesn't alter that. The fact that some users
> > unashamedly distributed pirated copies doesn't alter that. If you don't
> > believe me ask IBM, after all they own the product.
>
> As usual with new software there were a lot of "not for resale" copies
> distributed. These were full versions, not demos, but that still didn't
> mean it was free.
There may have been some demo versions, I never saw any of those.
Those to which I referred were full copies.
They were released (AFICR) after IBM dropped it.
Ian Manners
> Those to which I referred were full copies.
> They were released (AFICR) after IBM dropped it.
They were distributed on a Magazine cover CD (ie, APC, I have 10 of
them),
and it was before IBM officially dropped OS/2 support and sales.
Cheers
Olafur Gunnlaugsson
I have Warp 3, Warp 4 set up here on modern hardware, getting a good
video card took time, eCS is better due to ACPI support etc but even 2.1
and 1.3 versions of OS/2 can work although with limitations
Olafur Gunnlaugsson
> "Peter J Seymour" <mo...@pjsey.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:08F4m.52526$n8.3...@newsfe10.ams2...
>> robin wrote:
>>> IBM's Warp 4 was distributed free, so it's free.
>> That's bonkers. OS/2 full versions were always subject to a fee payment.
>
> No they weren't.
> It was distributed legally and gratis via computer magazine.
IBM dropped OS/2 in 2007, if you can provide any proof of them having
shipped copies after that for free I would like to see that....
Or any IBM announcement of it shipping as free software ...