[OT] Good project management/SCM tool? (Kinda poll)
R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah
in PHP). I'm somewhat tired having tried so many tools that includes
phpprojekt, phpgroupware, phpcollab, TUTOS, trac, mantis. TIA.
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Mike Willbanks
> in PHP). I'm somewhat tired having tried so many tools that includes
> phpprojekt, phpgroupware, phpcollab, TUTOS, trac, mantis. TIA.
I pretty much finally just gave up with those tools and have recently
built my own.... not all the way functioning as I would like but its
getting there. The problem is they miss so many things and everything
heavily relies on an entry instead of being extremely modular to add on to.
Mike
R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah
Thanks for your kind reply. I think, we're in the same boat:(
Andy Hassall
<ng4rrj...@rediffmail.com> wrote:
>I would like to know, the SCM tools you prefer/use (may not be written
>in PHP). I'm somewhat tired having tried so many tools that includes
>phpprojekt, phpgroupware, phpcollab, TUTOS, trac, mantis. TIA.
Out of interest, what didn't you like about trac?
I've been using subversion for SCM of my hobby projects for a while but needed
a bug tracking system. I've just installed trac a few minutes ago and initial
impressions are quite good.
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> I would like to know, the SCM tools you prefer/use (may not be written
> in PHP). I'm somewhat tired having tried so many tools that includes
> phpprojekt, phpgroupware, phpcollab, TUTOS, trac, mantis.
I think a better term to use would be "collaboration solution".
Applications you mention do more than CMS (e.g., handing out tasks
and tracking their progress), but less than proper project
management tools (typically, budgeting and accounting are missing
altogether, critical path analysis may or may not be present, etc.)
Personally, I have had an overall good experience with eProject
(back when they had a free personal version) and Documentum eRoom
(the university I teach at has a class management system based on
it). eProject is a more fully-evolved project management solution,
while eRoom is a collaboration solution. Both are enterprise-class
products with five-to-six-digit price tags in dollars. Both are
written in ASP and designed to work with Internet Explorer (both
products appear to use JavaScript and, optionally, ActiveX). Both
are available as either applcation services or software applications
to be deployed on the customer's hardware. Additionally, eRoom
is extensible; it can be used as a framework upon which the customer
can build its proprietary collaboration application.
Unfortunately, it appears that so far the open-source community
has not been able to produce an equivalent to either of the
commercial products mentioned above... The problem, I think,
is that development of such a highly-specialized product as
a collaboration solution must be directed by a domain expert,
not a software developer, with extensive usability testing, which
open-source developers tend to dislike because they want to
develop what they feel like, not what the customer wants. The
end result is a plethora of products with limited functionality
and limited extensibility.
I would love to be wrong on all counts, so if anyone is willing
to point out a product that is both feature-rich and extensible,
I would greatly appreciate it.
Cheers,
NC
R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah
> On 8 Aug 2005 06:35:54 -0700, "R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah"
> <ng4rrj...@rediffmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I would like to know, the SCM tools you prefer/use (may not be written
> >in PHP). I'm somewhat tired having tried so many tools that includes
> >phpprojekt, phpgroupware, phpcollab, TUTOS, trac, mantis. TIA.
>
> Out of interest, what didn't you like about trac?
>
> I've been using subversion for SCM of my hobby projects for a while but needed
> a bug tracking system. I've just installed trac a few minutes ago and initial
> impressions are quite good.
My experience with trac it quite old. The reason we didn't like at
that time:
1. Only the interface is colorful--but not the functionalities
2. Can't handle multiple projects
3. Can't assign the task to the people easily. You should know their
user ids (there was no listbox where we can choose users--as in mantis)
4. Complex status flags. That is the same problem with mantis.
5. svn viewer is kinda useless (svn integration with (any) bug tracking
systems like post commit script works are somewhat useless/not serving
any fruitful things)
FWIW, though we didn't work much with roundup
<http://roundup.sourceforge.net/>, I have a humble opinion that it is
the small and better compared to others. Anyway, we use mantis for some
reasons.
R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah
> R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah wrote:
> >
> > I would like to know, the SCM tools you prefer/use (may not be written
> > in PHP). I'm somewhat tired having tried so many tools that includes
> > phpprojekt, phpgroupware, phpcollab, TUTOS, trac, mantis.
> Personally, I have had an overall good experience with eProject
> (back when they had a free personal version) and Documentum eRoom
> (the university I teach at has a class management system based on
> it).
Ah.. along with Geoff and Justin, we have 3 professors here:) Thanks
for your great inputs and information regarding these unknown (for me)
tools.
<snip>
> Unfortunately, it appears that so far the open-source community
> has not been able to produce an equivalent to either of the
> commercial products mentioned above... The problem, I think,
> is that development of such a highly-specialized product as
> a collaboration solution must be directed by a domain expert,
> not a software developer,
<snip>
I agree with you. I have also checked with other guys who are
working with big companies. But, personally none of those guys like
their collaboration tools. Some of them use Lotus Notes and other small
tools for other purposes. So, I had the opinion that there is no
scallable enterprise application for that.
> I would love to be wrong on all counts, so if anyone is willing
> to point out a product that is both feature-rich and extensible,
> I would greatly appreciate it.
Yes. Me too. FWIW, recently heard about Basecamp, but yet to try
that. Like any other applications, initial tour looks promising; but
not sure, how that will work.
Andy Hassall
<ng4rrj...@rediffmail.com> wrote:
> My experience with trac it quite old. The reason we didn't like at
>that time:
>1. Only the interface is colorful--but not the functionalities
>2. Can't handle multiple projects
It seems you still need to run multiple instances, one per project. Hm.
>3. Can't assign the task to the people easily. You should know their
>user ids (there was no listbox where we can choose users--as in mantis)
Yes, that's still a problem.
>4. Complex status flags. That is the same problem with mantis.
I guess that's all relative - compared with the system I help to maintain at
work, trac seems pretty simple.
>5. svn viewer is kinda useless (svn integration with (any) bug tracking
>systems like post commit script works are somewhat useless/not serving
>any fruitful things)
I rather like the SVN viewer in trac; maybe they upgraded it since you last
saw it.