Perldoc recommendation
Bill H
information, and there is a wealth of information in there.
But if I could offer a suggestion, if the perldocs are online list
that url also.
Personally I do not surf the internet or read newsgroups on my
development computers, I use a different machine in my living room for
that (the one I am on) and I do not have perl installed on it. So to
look at some suggested information in perldoc I have to either email
myself a copy of the text, or print it, and then look it up on the
development systems when I am in the office. If there was / is a
perldocs online this would be very educational when I see those post
about looking up certain information in the docs I could just jump to
that site and read more.
Just my 2 cents :)
Bill H
Uri Guttman
BH> Many times I have seen posted on here to consult perldoc for
BH> information, and there is a wealth of information in there.
BH> But if I could offer a suggestion, if the perldocs are online list
BH> that url also.
that is more pain for the responder and it is useful for the questioner
to do. perldoc.perl.org has all the docs in an easy to navigate and
search format. no need to post that each time if you know how to use
perldoc or that site.
BH> Personally I do not surf the internet or read newsgroups on my
BH> development computers, I use a different machine in my living room
BH> for that (the one I am on) and I do not have perl installed on
BH> it. So to look at some suggested information in perldoc I have to
BH> either email myself a copy of the text, or print it, and then look
BH> it up on the development systems when I am in the office. If there
BH> was / is a perldocs online this would be very educational when I
BH> see those post about looking up certain information in the docs I
BH> could just jump to that site and read more.
you should install perl on any machine where you might need perldocs. no
reason not to do it as it is free and easy to install.
uri
--
Uri Guttman ------ u...@stemsystems.com -------- http://www.sysarch.com --
----- Perl Code Review , Architecture, Development, Training, Support ------
--------- Free Perl Training --- http://perlhunter.com/college.html ---------
--------- Gourmet Hot Cocoa Mix ---- http://bestfriendscocoa.com ---------
Marc Bissonnette
the result: news:x7skw4k...@mail.sysarch.com:
>>>>>> "BH" == Bill H <bi...@ts1000.us> writes:
>
> BH> Many times I have seen posted on here to consult perldoc for
> BH> information, and there is a wealth of information in there.
>
> BH> But if I could offer a suggestion, if the perldocs are online list
> BH> that url also.
>
> that is more pain for the responder and it is useful for the questioner
> to do. perldoc.perl.org has all the docs in an easy to navigate and
> search format. no need to post that each time if you know how to use
> perldoc or that site.
Ahh! Bookmarked!
Sadly, my machine here is Windows Vista (Yes, I know - boneheaded) with my
work being done on remote machines. While perl is installed locally,
Microsoft decided brilliantly (!!!) to make the DOS box only open in a
narrow window - For someone who's eyesight isn't what it used to be, this
doesn't make for great long content reading :(
The website, OTOH, allows me to use Opera's "Magnify - 200%" :) :) :)
Thanks!
--
Marc Bissonnette
Looking for a new ISP? http://www.canadianisp.com
Largest ISP comparison site across Canada.
Bill H
> that is more pain for the responder and it is useful for the questioner
> to do. perldoc.perl.org has all the docs in an easy to navigate and
> search format. no need to post that each time if you know how to use
> perldoc or that site.
>
Thanks Uri - I have that site bookmarked now on this system.
Bill H
Uri Guttman
MB> Uri Guttman <u...@stemsystems.com> fell face-first on the keyboard. This was
MB> the result: news:x7skw4k...@mail.sysarch.com:
>> that is more pain for the responder and it is useful for the questioner
>> to do. perldoc.perl.org has all the docs in an easy to navigate and
>> search format. no need to post that each time if you know how to use
>> perldoc or that site.
MB> Ahh! Bookmarked!
MB> Sadly, my machine here is Windows Vista (Yes, I know - boneheaded)
MB> with my work being done on remote machines. While perl is
MB> installed locally, Microsoft decided brilliantly (!!!) to make the
MB> DOS box only open in a narrow window - For someone who's eyesight
MB> isn't what it used to be, this doesn't make for great long content
MB> reading :(
MB> The website, OTOH, allows me to use Opera's "Magnify - 200%" :) :) :)
from what i know perl on winblows installs its docs in html format so
you can use a browser on that. relying on the web for docs is not as
good as having them on your box.
Jürgen Exner
>Sadly, my machine here is Windows Vista (Yes, I know - boneheaded) with my
>work being done on remote machines. While perl is installed locally,
>Microsoft decided brilliantly (!!!) to make the DOS box only open in a
>narrow window - For someone who's eyesight isn't what it used to be, this
>doesn't make for great long content reading :(
May Vista be good or bad, it always amuses me how people love to
participate in Microsoft bashing using arguments that tell more about
their (lack of) intelligence than about the Microsoft product in
question:
1: the maximum size of a CMD Window on Vista is limited by the number of
rows and columns selected. This is exactly the same as on XP.
2: the number of lines and columns can be configured as the user likes.
See Properties -> Window Size. This is exactly the same as on XP.
3: the default number of lines and columns can be configured as the user
likes. See Defaults -> Layout. This is exactly the same as on XP.
4: the font size can be set up to 72pixel even without accessibility,
see Properties -> Font or Defaults -> Font. This is exactly the same as
on XP.
Maybe if you don't know how to use your tools you could ask about how to
use your tools rather then complaining about Sthil because it is so hard
to use their chain saws when you never even knew how to turn on the
engine in the first place.
jue
Tad J McClellan
> Many times I have seen posted on here to consult perldoc for
> information, and there is a wealth of information in there.
>
> But if I could offer a suggestion, if the perldocs are online list
> that url also.
That would be a bad idea.
It would expose you to version errors.
You should consult the documentation that matches your perl version
(like what perldoc serves up).
> Personally I do not surf the internet or read newsgroups on my
> development computers, I use a different machine in my living room for
> that (the one I am on) and I do not have perl installed on it.
Install perl on it then. It is cheap and easy.
Or, just unpack a perl distro and keep only the pod/ directory.
--
Tad McClellan
email: perl -le "print scalar reverse qq/moc.noitatibaher\100cmdat/"
szr
> Marc Bissonnette <dragnet\_@_/internalysis.com> wrote:
>> Sadly, my machine here is Windows Vista (Yes, I know - boneheaded)
>> with my work being done on remote machines. While perl is installed
>> locally, Microsoft decided brilliantly (!!!) to make the DOS box
>> only open in a narrow window - For someone who's eyesight isn't what
>> it used to be, this doesn't make for great long content reading :(
>
> May Vista be good or bad, it always amuses me how people love to
> participate in Microsoft bashing using arguments that tell more about
> their (lack of) intelligence than about the Microsoft product in
> question:
IMHO, it's the Microsoft product, Windows Vista, that insults many a
people's intelligence. It is an utterly broken OS in many ways, aimed at
controlling what and how you do certain things on your own system, which
to me is just unacceptable.
--
szr
rthangam
There is one at link http://perldoc.perl.org/. It is for perl 5.10.0
Marc Bissonnette
This was the result: news:b3em3493oqdc765a2...@4ax.com:
Well, as mean-spirited as that response was - it was correct and I have
indeed learned something new - for that, thank you.
What you *got* out of being a crotchety old fart in that <shrug> Hope it
makes you feel the bigger person.
Joe Smith
> While perl is installed locally,
> Microsoft decided brilliantly (!!!) to make the DOS box only open in a
> narrow window
Feh! I've installed cygwin on all my Windows machines, so I get a real
command line window with proper cut-and-paste and full resize.
With tcsh (or bash) in an rxvt window eliminates the need for CMD.EXE.
-Joe
A. Sinan Unur
news:Xns9AABC7E394129dr...@216.196.97.131:
> Jürgen Exner <jurg...@hotmail.com> fell face-first on the keyboard.
> This was the result: news:b3em3493oqdc765a2...@4ax.com:
>
>> Marc Bissonnette <dragnet\_@_/internalysis.com> wrote:
>>> Sadly, my machine here is Windows Vista (Yes, I know - boneheaded)
>>>... Microsoft decided brilliantly (!!!) to make the DOS box only
>>>open in a narrow window - For someone who's eyesight isn't what it
>>>used to be, this doesn't make for great long content reading :(
>>
>> May Vista be good or bad, it always amuses me how people love to
>> participate in Microsoft bashing using arguments that tell more about
>> their (lack of) intelligence than about the Microsoft product in
>> question:
...
> Well, as mean-spirited as that response was - it was correct and I
> have indeed learned something new - for that, thank you.
It is not mean spiritied to point out the stupidity of someone who is
accusing others of the same.
Those three exclamation points next to "brilliantly" in your original
post means you thought Microsoft's design decision was stupid when in
reality it was your own ignorance and willingness to blame other people
for the same that was the reason for your issues.
> What you *got* out of being a crotchety old fart in that <shrug> Hope
> it makes you feel the bigger person.
Hope it makes you feel like a bigger person to put down other people's
work.
Sinan
--
A. Sinan Unur <1u...@llenroc.ude.invalid>
(remove .invalid and reverse each component for email address)
comp.lang.perl.misc guidelines on the WWW:
http://www.rehabitation.com/clpmisc/
Marc Bissonnette
This was the result: news:Xns9AAC4D778A13...@127.0.0.1:
Shows what you know. Ever tried running Vista with both current and legacy
(less than 10 years) games ? BSOD, AppCrashes galore, driver
incompatibilities with MBs, Video cards, network cards, etc.
Gordon Etly
> > > > Sadly, my machine here is Windows Vista (Yes, I know -
> > > > boneheaded)
> > > > ... Microsoft decided brilliantly (!!!) to make the DOS box only
> > > > open in a narrow window - For someone who's eyesight isn't what
> > > > it
> > > > used to be, this doesn't make for great long content reading :(
> > > May Vista be good or bad, it always amuses me how people love to
> > > participate in Microsoft bashing using arguments that tell more
> > > about their (lack of) intelligence than about the Microsoft
> > > product
> > > in question:
> ...
> > Well, as mean-spirited as that response was - it was correct and I
> > have indeed learned something new - for that, thank you.
> It is not mean spiritied to point out the stupidity of someone who is
> accusing others of the same.
What are you talking about? Did you even read Jürgen's post (part of
which is quoted above? He implied that anyone who says anything negative
about Vista is of low intelligence. If that's not mean spirited, I don't
know what is. The fact is Vista is chalk full of problems and I would
wager that people who blindly accept Vista might need themselves to be
evaluated.
> Those three exclamation points next to "brilliantly" in your original
> post means you thought Microsoft's design decision was stupid when in
> reality it was your own ignorance and willingness to blame other
> people for the same that was the reason for your issues.
While I agree he probably did not have it setup right, when it comes to
Vista, it can be quite frustrating to do many things that were otherwise
simple in previous versions of Windows. Many things have yet to be fixed
(even with SP1.) Hardware problems a plenty and many software
incompatibilities remain, so I find it hard to blame someone getting
frustrated and temporarily going brain numb.
> > What you *got* out of being a crotchety old fart in that <shrug>
> > Hope
> > it makes you feel the bigger person.
> Hope it makes you feel like a bigger person to put down other people's
> work.
But it's ok for Jürgen to do just that, but not someone else?
--
G.Etly
Jürgen Exner
>A. Sinan Unur wrote:
>> Marc Bissonnette <dragnet\_@_/internalysis.com> wrote in
>> > Jürgen Exner <jurg...@hotmail.com> fell face-first on the keyboard.
>> > > Marc Bissonnette <dragnet\_@_/internalysis.com> wrote:
>
>> > > > Sadly, my machine here is Windows Vista (Yes, I know -
>> > > > boneheaded)
>> > > > ... Microsoft decided brilliantly (!!!) to make the DOS box only
>> > > > open in a narrow window - For someone who's eyesight isn't what
>> > > > it
>> > > > used to be, this doesn't make for great long content reading :(
>
>> > > May Vista be good or bad, it always amuses me how people love to
>> > > participate in Microsoft bashing using arguments that tell more
>> > > about their (lack of) intelligence than about the Microsoft
>> > > product
>> > > in question:
>
>> ...
>
>> > Well, as mean-spirited as that response was - it was correct and I
>> > have indeed learned something new - for that, thank you.
>
>> It is not mean spiritied to point out the stupidity of someone who is
>> accusing others of the same.
>
>What are you talking about? Did you even read Jürgen's post (part of
>which is quoted above? He implied that anyone who says anything negative
>about Vista is of low intelligence.
Really? You must be reading something different than I have been
writing.
And no, I don't see anything wrong with questioning someone's
intelligence if he is blaming a company for allegedly not providing
feature X when this person used this very feature X before in an earlier
product and it works exactly the same in the new product as it did in
the old product.
> If that's not mean spirited, I don't
>know what is.
We know that you don't know much.
Back you go to where you crawled out from.
Author: Gordon Etly <g...@bentsys.com>
Author: Gordon Etly <ge...@bentsys-INVALID.com>
Author: Gordon Etly <g.e...@bent-INVALID-sys.com>
Author: Gordon Etly <g.e...@bentsys.INVALID.com>
Author: Gordon Etly <.@.invalid>
Author: Gordon Etly <g...@e.nvalid>
You may want to consult a professional about your severe case of split
personalities.
jue
Gordon Etly
> "Gordon Etly" <g...@e.nvalid> wrote:
> > A. Sinan Unur wrote:
> > > Marc Bissonnette <dragnet\_@_/internalysis.com> wrote in
> > > > Jürgen Exner <jurg...@hotmail.com> fell face-first on the
> > > > keyboard.
> > > > > Marc Bissonnette <dragnet\_@_/internalysis.com> wrote:
...
> > > > > May Vista be good or bad, it always amuses me how people love
> > > > > to
> > > > > participate in Microsoft bashing using arguments that tell
> > > > > more
> > > > > about their (lack of) intelligence than about the Microsoft
> > > > > product in question:
> > > ...
> > > > Well, as mean-spirited as that response was - it was correct and
> > > > I
> > > > have indeed learned something new - for that, thank you.
> > > It is not mean spiritied to point out the stupidity of someone who
> > > is accusing others of the same.
> > What are you talking about? Did you even read Jürgen's post (part of
> > which is quoted above? He implied that anyone who says anything
> > negative about Vista is of low intelligence.
> Really? You must be reading something different than I have been
> writing.
Then re-read your own words:
" how people love to participate in Microsoft "
" bashing using arguments that tell moreabout "
" their (lack of) intelligence "
That whole paragraph (quoted in full further above) shows how little you
know about Windows Vista, and serves as an insult to the person you were
replying to.
> And no, I don't see anything wrong with questioning someone's
> intelligence if he is blaming a company for allegedly not providing
> feature X when this person used this very feature X before in an
> earlier product and it works exactly the same in the new product as
> it did in the old product.
In general, I would agree. However, in Vista, things have a knack for
breaking down and doing strange things when least expect it. Having
serviced a couple hundred Vista machines (among many others) for over a
year now or so, I've seen many completely inexplicable happenings that
just had no reason for being, so please don't pretend Vista is this
perfect shining example of quality engineering.
> You may want to consult a professional about your severe case of split
> personalities.
You must be confused, I only post under this name.
--
G.Etly
Peter J. Holzer
> perldoc.perl.org has all the docs in an easy to navigate and
> search format.
| For quicker navigation, enter any Perl function, manpage, or core
| module name into the search box
Search box? What search box? Ah, I have to allow JavaScript! ;-).
hp
Peter J. Holzer
> Back you go to where you crawled out from.
> Author: Gordon Etly <g...@bentsys.com>
> Author: Gordon Etly <ge...@bentsys-INVALID.com>
> Author: Gordon Etly <g.e...@bent-INVALID-sys.com>
> Author: Gordon Etly <g.e...@bentsys.INVALID.com>
> Author: Gordon Etly <.@.invalid>
> Author: Gordon Etly <g...@e.nvalid>
Can you please learn how to use regular expressions in your killfile?
hp
Jürgen Exner
Done now.
jue
Tad J McClellan
[ snip wherein Marc did Windows bashing and then got crotchety
when shown that Windows will easily do what he wanted.
]
Your choice of feature to bash was mistaken.
(I'll agree that there are boatloads of others though.)
Take it like a man when you make a mistake. Whining is so unpleasant.
> Shows what you know.
Please do not continue this campaign to go back "in there".