Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers

[Ignoramus16992]

According to CIO.com, Python programmers make only $83,000 per year,
while Perl programmers make $93,000 per year.

http://www.cio.com/slideshow/detail/97819?source=ifwartcio#slide10
http://www.cio.com/slideshow/detail/97819?source=ifwartcio#slide11

I would like to know, what explains the discrepancy.

Thank you!

i

[rusi]

On May 5, 10:11 pm, Ignoramus16992 <ignoramus16...@NOSPAM.

16992.invalid> wrote:
> According to CIO.com, Python programmers make only $83,000 per year,
> while Perl programmers make $93,000 per year.
>

> http://www.cio.com/slideshow/detail/97819?source=ifwartcio#slide10http://www.cio.com/slideshow/detail/97819?source=ifwartcio#slide11

>
> I would like to know, what explains the discrepancy.
>
> Thank you!
>
> i

I expect Cobol programmers earn more than either
Its called supply and demand

[Roy Smith]

In article <zrOdnZU2U6syDxvM...@giganews.com>,

Ignoramus16992 <ignoram...@NOSPAM.16992.invalid> wrote:

> According to CIO.com, Python programmers make only $83,000 per year,
> while Perl programmers make $93,000 per year.

It's amazing the depths to which people are willing to sink for an extra
$10k per year.

[Steven D'Aprano]

Perl is much harder to use, so the average Perl programmer burns out
after a few years and takes up a less stressful career, like going
undercover in the Russian mob or the Taliban. So only the most dedicated,
brilliant and extreme programmers last long enough to become a Perl
expert, and consequently can demand higher pay, while any idiot can learn
to program Python, as I have.

Also, Perl programmers are an unprincipled, devious bunch, always looking
for an opportunity to blackmail their employers into paying them extra.
Python programmers are a decent, law-abiding people with a strong moral
code who would never stoop to the sort of things that Perl coders are
proud of doing.



--
Steven

[Steven D'Aprano]

Right now, I'd consider learning PHP for an extra $100 a month. Or
peddling my arse down at the docks for twenty cents a time, which will be
less embarrassing and much less painful.


--
Steven

[Jens Thoms Toerring]

Now you got me badly worried, using both Perl and Python (and
other, unspeakable languages, but not VB I promise!) Will I
end up as a Python hacker for the mob or worse - or is there
a chance of redemption (perhaps after a few years in Guanta-
namo bay)? And should I, while it lasts, get the Perl or the
Python salary, or the mean or both combined? Got to consider
that when applying for my next job!

Regards, Jens
--
\ Jens Thoms Toerring ___ j...@toerring.de
\__________________________ http://toerring.de

[Roy Smith]

In article <5186af75$0$29997$c3e8da3$5496...@news.astraweb.com>,

Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp....@pearwood.info> wrote:

> Right now, I'd consider learning PHP for an extra $100 a month. Or
> peddling my arse down at the docks for twenty cents a time, which will be
> less embarrassing and much less painful.

Having spent the better part of a year doing one of those activities,
I'm inclined to agree.

There *are* programming languages worse than PHP. Have you ever tried
britescript?

[Rainer Weikusat]

j...@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) writes:
> In comp.lang.python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp....@pearwood.info> wrote:
>> On Sun, 05 May 2013 12:11:11 -0500, Ignoramus16992 wrote:
>
>> > According to CIO.com, Python programmers make only $83,000 per year,
>> > while Perl programmers make $93,000 per year.
>> >
>> > http://www.cio.com/slideshow/detail/97819?source=ifwartcio#slide10
>> > http://www.cio.com/slideshow/detail/97819?source=ifwartcio#slide11
>> >
>> > I would like to know, what explains the discrepancy.
>
>> Perl is much harder to use, so the average Perl programmer burns out
>> after a few years and takes up a less stressful career, like going
>> undercover in the Russian mob or the Taliban. So only the most dedicated,
>> brilliant and extreme programmers last long enough to become a Perl
>> expert, and consequently can demand higher pay, while any idiot can learn
>> to program Python, as I have.
>
>> Also, Perl programmers are an unprincipled, devious bunch, always looking
>> for an opportunity to blackmail their employers into paying them extra.
>> Python programmers are a decent, law-abiding people with a strong moral
>> code who would never stoop to the sort of things that Perl coders are
>> proud of doing.
>
> Now you got me badly worried, using both Perl and Python (and
> other, unspeakable languages, but not VB I promise!) Will I
> end up as a Python hacker for the mob or worse

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strange_Case_of_Dr_Jekyll_and_Mr_Hyde

[SCNR]

[Paul Rubin]

Ignoramus16992 <ignoram...@NOSPAM.16992.invalid> writes:
> I would like to know, what explains the discrepancy.

I see "New York" listed as a location for Perl but not for Python. That
implies: 1) some general skew because of the very high cost of living in
NY (even compared to San Francisco or Silicon Valley); 2) further skew
because a good chuck of the NY programming jobs are in the financial
sector, which shovels money around with heavy farm equipment (but is
reportedly otherwise unpleasant to work in). Wall Street has done very
well in the past few years, and some of that shows up as bonuses for the
involved parties.

I remember seeing a ridiculously high figure listed for Haskell, and
then realized the reason for it was similar to the above. Most Haskell
programmers I know can't actually get Haskell jobs.

[Paul Rubin]

Paul Rubin <no.e...@nospam.invalid> writes:
> I see "New York" listed as a location for Perl but not for Python.

Whaat? It's there for Python, though in the #3 position rather than #2.
I must have flipped through the slides too fast.

[Jens Thoms Toerring]

Well, that didn't have a happy ending:-( Should have listened to
my parents when they told me again and again "Never use Perl, just
say no!". Seems I'm doomed - what's the proper way to apply for a
job with the mob?

[Roy Smith]

In article <auo1hg...@mid.uni-berlin.de>,

j...@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) wrote:

> Well, that didn't have a happy ending:-( Should have listened to
> my parents when they told me again and again "Never use Perl, just
> say no!". Seems I'm doomed - what's the proper way to apply for a
> job with the mob?

I don't think you apply. If they want you, they'll find you.

[Jens Thoms Toerring]

I see, that's what's called headhuntering, isn't it?

[Ignoramus16992]

My website algebra.com is written in perl, it is now #1,198 in the US
rankings, based on Quantcast. I could not be happier with
maintainability and robustness features of perl.

i
going undercover for the russian mob next week

[Henry Law]

On 05/05/13 18:11, Ignoramus16992 wrote:
> According to CIO.com

What an amusing thread; lightened my (non-programmer) day.

--

Henry Law Manchester, England

[johannes falcone]

perl programmers are older and tend to have experience and know c n shit

[johannes falcone]

what doing for the russian mob?

[johannes falcone]

hows the communism in england?

hows it having no guns?

being slaves to fascism?

[johannes falcone]

you know multiple haskellers?

doing web?

cool!

rad!!

[johannes falcone]

if you could get paid to hump, life be grand!

[J�rgen Exner]

johannes falcone <vispha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>hows the communism in england?

If I'm not mistaken mostly in the very low single digits until 1991 when
the party disbanded.

>hows it having no guns?

Very relaxing. You don't have to be remember to buy your 2-year old
daughter a gun such that she can defend herself against her 5-year old
brother.

>being slaves to fascism?

If I'm not very much mistaken a certain Sir Winston, KG, OM, CH, TD, DL,
FRS, Hon. RA took care of that about 70 years ago.

On that note: when did you stop beating your wife?

jue

[johannes falcone]

Im single
lol
verginia is 10% of gun daeth as england and they allow concealed carry guns
for teachers too
so someone can shoot maniacs
love it
too bad england economy so low now
almost out of the big 8 eh?
:)
funny when india overtakes uk
uk fascism doesnt let people produce, own what they make, and trade freely
:)
ah the empire is gone eh?

[J�rgen Exner]

johannes falcone <vispha...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, May 6, 2013 12:20:51 PM UTC-7, J�rgen Exner wrote:
>> johannes falcone <vispha...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> If I'm not mistaken mostly in the very low single digits until 1991 when
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>> the party disbanded.
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>> >hows it having no guns?
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Please don't falsify quoted text, I wrote only one of those 3 empty
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>> Very relaxing. You don't have to be remember to buy your 2-year old
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Please don't falsify quoted text, I did not write that empty line,
interrupting the flow of text..

>> daughter a gun such that she can defend herself against her 5-year old
>>

Please don't falsify quoted text, I did not write that empty line,
interrupting the flow of text..

>> brother.
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>> >being slaves to fascism?
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Please don't falsify quoted text, I wrote only one of those 3 empty
lines.

>> If I'm not very much mistaken a certain Sir Winston, KG, OM, CH, TD, DL,
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Please don't falsify quoted text, I did not write that empty line,
interrupting the flow of text..

>> FRS, Hon. RA took care of that about 70 years ago.
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Please don't falsify quoted text, I wrote only one of those 3 empty
lines.

>> On that note: when did you stop beating your wife?
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Please don't falsify quoted text, I wrote only one of those 3 empty
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jue

[Rainer Weikusat]

J�rgen Exner <jurg...@hotmail.com> writes:
> johannes falcone <vispha...@gmail.com> wrote:

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>>hows it having no guns?
>
> Very relaxing. You don't have to be remember to buy your 2-year old
> daughter a gun such that she can defend herself against her 5-year old
> brother.

I realize this doesn't belong here at all but considering that I have
been at the receiving end of this 'ensure that the physically weak are
defenseless so that the physically strongs can have their way with
them as they see fit' ideology for a long time (an average guy of six
feet/ 1.8m can easily kill me with his bare hands whenever he should
fancy so): Since 'private ownership of guns' was outlawed in the UK,
'gun crime' has gone up and not down. Just the people who don't want
to run the risk of getting carried away from a drunken brawl they
intentionally started have stopped howling about it.

[johannes falcone]

On Monday, May 6, 2013 12:44:52 PM UTC-7, Jürgen Exner wrote:
> johannes falcone <vispha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>

whats this?

[johannes falcone]

On Monday, May 6, 2013 1:09:00 PM UTC-7, Rainer Weikusat wrote:

oh yeah

on TV pier morgan was nuked by VA gun advocate who shoed Uk has 988 gun deaths 2011 and VA area 10% of that by population!!
boom!!

pier nuked again into anonimty!

[Henry Law]

On 06/05/13 21:39, johannes falcone wrote:
> on TV pier morgan was nuked by VA gun advocate who shoed Uk has 988 gun deaths 2011

Are you a bot or just a fool? Or maybe you just watch Fox and listen to
Beck. Which makes you a fool anyway.

2011 UK (pop ~60M) gun deaths: 51. Virginia (pop ~8M) 303 homicides,
69% by firearm = 209.

[J�rgen Exner]

johannes falcone <vispha...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, May 6, 2013 12:44:52 PM UTC-7, J�rgen Exner wrote:
>> johannes falcone <vispha...@gmail.com> wrote:
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I guess you find it amusing to litter quotes text with faked emtpy
lines, doubling the length of your full-quotes with junk and making the
quotes impossible to read..

Well, I don't

****PLONK****

jue

[J�rgen Exner]

johannes falcone <vispha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>on TV pier

Is a TV pier something like a harbour pier, i.e. like the cruise ship
pier 91 or the famous tourist pier 54 in Seatlle?

>morgan was nuked by VA gun advocate who shoed

What shoe? Left shoe or right shoe? And what kind of shoe, there are so
many different styles to choose from?

>Uk has 988 gun deaths 2011 and VA area 10% of that by population!!
>boom!!
>
>pier nuked again into anonimty!

What??????
Would you mind translating this into English?

jue

[johannes falcone]

no the cops in uk say 988, government numbers are lie
:)
look on youtube the guy from VA nuked piers morgan into the stoine age

[johannes falcone]

pier was a moron and got made a monkey of lol
bigtime
stop watching cnn its all lies
like when they said obama care will make insurance cheaper LOL

[johannes falcone]

On Monday, May 6, 2013 2:23:05 PM UTC-7, Jürgen Exner wrote:
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wtf you talking about? I am using google groups with 0 trickery here

[Ben Morrow]

Quoth J�rgen Exner <jurg...@hotmail.com>:

> johannes falcone <vispha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >being slaves to fascism?
>
> If I'm not very much mistaken a certain Sir Winston, KG, OM, CH, TD, DL,
> FRS, Hon. RA took care of that about 70 years ago.

I'm hardly proud of this, but there was also a Sir Oswald who carried on
that sort of unpleasantness for quite a while after that, not to mention
the likes of the BNP which are unfortunately with us to this day.
Unsurprisingly, fascism is not the sort of thing you can get rid of by
winning a war.

> On that note: when did you stop beating your wife?

Mu.

Ben

[johannes falcone]

looks like you are the fool LOL
"The data that you are using for the murder rate in England is a sham. There's a monumental miss-reporting of what constitutes murder," claimed Pratt. "If three people are murdered, it's likely to be counted as one event."

Of no surprise to those who regularly watch the show, Morgan didn't take too kindly to such a suggestion:

"What an absolute, absolute lie," he exclaimed.

"You are telling me that 50 murders a year, these are simply invented statistics, and in fact the figures in Britain for gun murders are many more times that?" Morgan asked.

"That's exactly what your own constabulary is saying," insisted the guest. "You had 970. I don't know what you're talking about."

http://piersmorgan.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/09/larry-pratt-disputes-piers-morgans-statistics-of-gun-murders-in-britain-and-wales-you-had-970-i-dont-know-what-youre-talking-about/

BOOOM!!!!

[johannes falcone]

so few business do well in england due to crushing taxes and VAT

sad

I couldnt live there

[Ben Morrow]

Quoth johannes falcone <vispha...@gmail.com>:

>
> so few business do well in england due to crushing taxes and VAT
>
> sad
>
> I couldnt live there

Thank God for small mercies...

Ben

[Keith Thompson]

Jürgen Exner <jurg...@hotmail.com> writes:
> johannes falcone <vispha...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>On Monday, May 6, 2013 12:20:51 PM UTC-7, Jürgen Exner wrote:
>>> johannes falcone <vispha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>
> Please don't falsify quoted text, I did not write that empty line.
>
>>> >hows the communism in england?
>>>
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> Please don't falsify quoted text, I wrote only one of those 3 empty
> lines.

[...]

Google Groups has a serious bug; it double-spaces quoted text,
quadruple-spaces quoted quoted text, and so on.

--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) ks...@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this."
-- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

[Ben Morrow]

Quoth Keith Thompson <ks...@mib.org>:

> Jürgen Exner <jurg...@hotmail.com> writes:
> >
> > Please don't falsify quoted text, I wrote only one of those 3 empty
> > lines.
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> Google Groups has a serious bug; it double-spaces quoted text,
> quadruple-spaces quoted quoted text, and so on.

'Don't do that then.'

Honest posters might get the benefit of the doubt, for a while; trolls
do not.

Ben

[Ignoramus30465]

On 2013-05-06, Henry Law <ne...@lawshouse.org> wrote:
> On 05/05/13 18:11, Ignoramus16992 wrote:
>> According to CIO.com
>
> What an amusing thread; lightened my (non-programmer) day.
>

I guess you are from the python newsgroup then. :)

[johannes falcone]

yeah kick ass tall ahndsome capitalists would take all your women since you so boring

you have to back up arrogance, usa can, uk cant

make some good products at low prices and get back to me

at least you could be a good commy, and mass produce metal houses or something cool with the government greed

[johannes falcone]

polytheism is best

[Rainer Weikusat]

Ben Morrow <b...@morrow.me.uk> writes:
> Quoth J�rgen Exner <jurg...@hotmail.com>:
>> johannes falcone <vispha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >being slaves to fascism?
>>
>> If I'm not very much mistaken a certain Sir Winston, KG, OM, CH, TD, DL,
>> FRS, Hon. RA took care of that about 70 years ago.
>
> I'm hardly proud of this, but there was also a Sir Oswald who carried on
> that sort of unpleasantness for quite a while after that, not to mention
> the likes of the BNP which are unfortunately with us to this day.

Another thing which doesn't belong here but since I would be delighted
when I was paid as regularly as the treasury and have to listen to
this dreck on a day-by-day basis: There's also the guy to publically
stated that [paraphrase] "If we don't stop them now, one day it will
be civil war between us and the immigrants" and stood for council
election without being considered a right-wing extremist, the national
outrage caused by the idea that taxing foreigners more heavily than UK
nationals (cleverly disguised as "Benefit Fraud !!1" by the Daily
Mail) is actually prohibited by the EU treaties and the member of the
ruling coalition who flatly denied that 'immigrants' who 'contribute
to society' [as in paying taxes and NI] exist in the UK at all.

[Xho Jingleheimerschmidt]

On 05/10/2013 01:01 PM, johannes falcone wrote:
> On Monday, May 6, 2013 5:05:40 PM UTC-7, Ben Morrow wrote:

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>> Thank God for small mercies...
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> polytheism is best
>

In the absence of sigils, how could one know what was meant?

thank($_) foreach keys %God;

Or is that

thank($_) foreach values %God;

Xho

[johannes falcone]

I say simply end all welfare and let unregulated free market make everyoine rich by mas production of commodofied cheap big concrete hsoues adn atomic pwoer and private owned trains union free endign all pensions and lal public school.

[johannes falcone]

better question: which god?

poseidon?
hastur?
godogma?
tak?
pazuzu?
lord arykyn?
khorne?
set?

[johannes falcone]

perl programmers are older and tend to have experience and know c n shit


this is the end arguement

also perl programmers get that object progrmaming is bullshit

procedural is all u need

data structures not algorithms are central to prgraming!!

YEAH!!

all we need isa non oo www.prevayler.org ram databse with update logging and perl can get back in front of java!!