Embarcadero newsgroups
Jud McCranie
reading fine, but when I try to post it says "authorization required".
What do I need to set so that I can post?
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Rob Kennedy
> I'm trying to access the Embarcadero Delphi newsgroups. I have them
> reading fine, but when I try to post it says "authorization required".
> What do I need to set so that I can post?
You need to sign in with your CDN account name and password.
http://dn.codegear.com/article/38435
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Rob
Jud McCranie
wrote:
>You need to sign in with your CDN account name and password.
>
>http://dn.codegear.com/article/38435
Thanks, that did the trick!
Graeme Geldenhuys
Did that and it worked for two weeks. Today I can't even read the
newsgroups. It constantly pops up with username/password requests and
even though I enter the correctly username/password, I can't read anything.
They (Embarcadero/CodeGear) are useless!! Can't even setup something as
simple as a news server (and yes, I am maintaining my own news server
for the past 4 years - so know what is involved).
Regards,
- Graeme -
a.s
>
> They (Embarcadero/CodeGear) are useless!! Can't even setup something as
> simple as a news server
I second to that! What on earth do they think they will commercially
gain when they require to sign in to this kind of usual, no-big-secrets
newsgroup? If they had some idea to start bombing my e-mail with
Delphi-coupons or upgrade offers or something, they won't be able to
sell my anything.
I am also worried that will Google be able and willing to archieve this
kind or "protected" Delphi news messages.
I am so angry to all this "Embarcadero" and CodeGear stuff. I recently
got some e-mail from David Intersimone about Delphi-9, but I did not
even bother to read it.
That whole word "embargo" here, what is it even anyway?
Is the whole CodeGear company now-a-days some Mexican company.
"Embarcadero, Carramba, si, si embargadero mi comprendo. Revoluzzioni
grande ý CodeGear Mexico."
What ever the company name currently is Aka Borland/ Embarcadero / Code
Gear or what ever. They should just use standard news-technique, and
make access there open to everyone. If they wish, they can then build
something new over that, www-newsgroups or what ever.
These easy to do and very basic news-operations should stay operational
all the time.
a.s
Marco van de Voort
> Rob Kennedy wrote:
>> Jud McCranie wrote:
>>> I'm trying to access the Embarcadero Delphi newsgroups. I have them
>>> reading fine, but when I try to post it says "authorization required".
>>> What do I need to set so that I can post?
>>
>> You need to sign in with your CDN account name and password.
>>
>> http://dn.codegear.com/article/38435
>
> Did that and it worked for two weeks. Today I can't even read the
> newsgroups. It constantly pops up with username/password requests and
> even though I enter the correctly username/password, I can't read anything.
Sounds like a newsreader problem.
a.s
>
>
> Sounds like a newsreader problem.
No it is not. The news server just does not respond today, and that is a
fact.
Their "official" news server crashed over one month ago, and they are
still fiddling with some temporary "beta news server."
http://dn.codegear.com/article/38431
"August 7, 2008
Our public newsgroup server crashed on August 7th. Repeated attempts to
restart it have resulted in it quickly crashing again.
Please accept our sincere apologies for the inconvenience and annoyance
of this unscheduled outage, and the awkward transition to our new
discussion server caused by this hardware failure. "
As said, keeping news server is VERY bacic technique, there are free
server softwares available etc. I just have no faith over those useless
Codegear/Embargadero folks. They seem to have built some huge project
with lots of manpower around this new server thing.
I have never been satisfied how the Borland/Codegear search engine
worked. Mostly the searches did not work, and you had to use Google if
you wanted to find anything on Borland/Codegear site.
John Kaster and his folks have been spending their time with that search
engine and tuning it at least something like six or seven years now. I
wonder how long does it take for the came crew to get a decent news
server up and running. The clock is ticking, and show 1 month elapsed
project time now.
I understand difficulties and delays with DIFFICULT things. But this
stuff is so basic, an it still does not work.
I just get more and more angry and frustrated for those
Borland/Codegear/Embargho guys. What the heck have they actually been
doing there for the last two years under CodeGear name?
a.s
Chris.Cheney
news:48C50058...@newsgroups.only.com:
> Marco van de Voort wrote:
>>
>>
>> Sounds like a newsreader problem.
No - the site was distinctly broken earlier this morning. It seems ok now.
a.s
>
> >> Sounds like a newsreader problem.
>
No it's not OK as long as they sloppily say they further are in "beta
testing" phase only:
"All forums, and the current message base may be deleted and replaced at
any time, and throughout the beta test."
http://dn.codegear.com/article/38435
And yes, you can for instance got to non-technical www-forum through
this link:
https://forums.codegear.com/forum.jspa?forumID=67
Occasionally the same forum through news-reader opens through this link
news://forums.codegear.com./embarcadero.public.delphi.non-technical
But yet, no messages seem to be getting archieved to Google and you
can't find anything that way.
http://groups.google.se/advanced_search?hl=se&q=&hl=se&
If you search through Advanced Search and limit the searches to this
fancy new beta news server that probably bears name
'forums.codegear.com' then Google shows no messages.
Or trying with longer and messier newsgroup path
'forums.codegear.com./embarcadero.public.delphi.non-technical.*' you
still do not get anything from Google.
Yet third search. Search by Message-ID that I took from one message in
non-technical area. '<99...@forums.codegear.com>' . Yet nothing. Looks
like Google has as big problems to find address to the current
beta-phase news server as many Delphi users seem to have.
How much does it cost to replace a broken news server, if GodeGear's old
server really got totally broken? I quess you can get a decent mirrored,
4 GigHz,/4 Gig /500Gig server for 2.000 - 3.000 US dollars. About the
same price as few Delphi licences.
I wonder what is the big technical beta-phase problem they are fighting
against there. Copying things from one broken server to a new server
should not arise huge technical barriers that takes weeks to come over.
I just don't currently trust on those Gear and Embargo guys there.
Me and my Delphi dependent business, stuck on Delphi-7 Enterprise level,
we both are deeply, deeply sorry having to say this. a.s
Graeme Geldenhuys
>
>
Nope, I currently have a stable Thunderbird. I read news from 5
different news servers without problem. Only the 6th one (CodeFear ;-))
is screwed!
Yesterday afternoon it magically started working again. This morning,
it's broken again! Useless sysadmins - that's it! I managed to move my
news server with history posts intact, into a VMWare server session on
our company server. The re-setup and copying of existing messages took
30 minutes and has been running for 9 months already without issues.
And it was done under Linux (which Windows users say are so hard to
install anything on) :-)
Graeme.
_______________________________________________
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http://opensoft.homeip.net/fpgui/
Sven Pran
"Graeme Geldenhuys" <gra...@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:ga58eh$5kk$1...@aioe.org...
> Marco van de Voort wrote:
>>
>> Sounds like a newsreader problem.
>>
>
> Nope, I currently have a stable Thunderbird. I read news from 5
> different news servers without problem. Only the 6th one (CodeFear ;-))
> is screwed!
>
> Yesterday afternoon it magically started working again. This morning,
> it's broken again! Useless sysadmins - that's it! I managed to move my
> news server with history posts intact, into a VMWare server session on
> our company server. The re-setup and copying of existing messages took
> 30 minutes and has been running for 9 months already without issues.
> And it was done under Linux (which Windows users say are so hard to
> install anything on) :-)
>
> Graeme.
I have been away for three weeks, coming home today I tried to update myself
on the Embarcadero newsgroups.
"Syncronize" seemed to work, but when I started to browse the various
newsgroups that I subscribe then my whole newsreader seemed to hang pretty
soon. I eventually restarted just my newsreader and processed the other
three servers that I subscribe to, but the Embarcadero server gives me
headache.
Still struggling. Posting this to verify that my newsreader is still
OK, - - - will see what eventually happens.
Sven
Sven Pran
...........
> I have been away for three weeks, coming home today I tried to update
> myself on the Embarcadero newsgroups.
>
> "Syncronize" seemed to work, but when I started to browse the various
> newsgroups that I subscribe then my whole newsreader seemed to hang pretty
> soon. I eventually restarted just my newsreader and processed the other
> three servers that I subscribe to, but the Embarcadero server gives me
> headache.
>
> Still struggling. Posting this to verify that my newsreader is still
> OK, - - - will see what eventually happens.
Well, the posting to this group went OK.
And (after several "Server has disconnected the TCP connection" messages) at
last it is working again.
regards Sven
Rudy Velthuis
> "Syncronize" seemed to work, but when I started to browse the various
> newsgroups that I subscribe then my whole newsreader seemed to hang
> pretty soon. I eventually restarted just my newsreader and processed
> the other three servers that I subscribe to, but the Embarcadero
> server gives me headache.
It was down (or to be more exact: busy looping) for a while, today.
--
Rudy Velthuis http://rvelthuis.de
"I plan to live forever. So far so good."
-- Rob C. Claffie in borland.public.off-topic
a.s
>
>
> It was down (or to be more exact: busy looping) for a while, today.
>
So do you have some inside information about CodeGear's news-server and
from the server operators?
I would be interested to hear what kind of hardware and software
Codegear/Embargadero news is currently using.
Running a standard, out of the box server hardware and usually
Linux/Unix based NNTP-server software. That should not be so
complicated. You can even buy that kind of 24/7 overseen News-service
from proven and professional third parties.
I can only quess that maybe CodeGear has 'ambitiously' started to write
their own NNTP software. Probably using Delphi 2008 and some nifty NET
technology and Indy components or something.
There are a *lot* of things that CodeGear folks could push their extra
energy and spare time. But starting to develope yet one more NNTP
server, and this time with Delphi!!
If that really is the case, and that's what they are doing, I do not
think that is time very well spent:(
When will Google finally start archieving those Embarcadero news?
a.s
Rudy Velthuis
> So do you have some inside information about CodeGear's news-server
> and from the server operators?
>
> I would be interested to hear what kind of hardware and software
> Codegear/Embargadero news is currently using.
What I know is public knowledge, so I can tell. Software: Jive plus
some extra software written by Jon Benedicto. Hardware: I don't know.
--
Rudy Velthuis http://rvelthuis.de
"Nietzsche was stupid and abnormal."
-- Leo Tolstoy (1828-1910)
Maarten Wiltink
news:48C4F719...@newsgroups.only.com...
> Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
>> They (Embarcadero/CodeGear) are useless!! Can't even setup something
>> as simple as a news server
Actually, from reading some of the groups on it (when it worked, which
it hasn't always uninterruptedly), it's a mixed news/webforum server.
Personally, I'm pleased that they didn't go to a webforum-only setup.
They have been (realtively slightly) modifying a standard open source
package to do it.
> I second to that! What on earth do they think they will commercially
> gain when they require to sign in to this kind of usual,
> no-big-secrets newsgroup? ...
The ability to keep it free of spam from third parties. Which will
keep people there instead of driving them away. And as far as I know,
that's _all_ the commercial use they aim to get out of it.
> I am also worried that will Google be able and willing to archieve
> this kind or "protected" Delphi news messages.
Should it, even? It's not Usenet, it just uses the same technology
(on one face). But the feed will leak, and it'll end up in DejaNews.
I mean Google.
> I am so angry to all this "Embarcadero" and CodeGear stuff. I recently
> got some e-mail from David Intersimone about Delphi-9, but I did not
> even bother to read it.
Fine. Nobody has a problem with that.
> That whole word "embargo" here, what is it even anyway?
It isn't 'embargo', it's 'embarcadero'. From the Spanish verb
embarcar, to embark (enter a ship). The Embarcadero is a street
across from San Francisco if I am not mistaken, where people, er,
got onto ships.
> Is the whole CodeGear company now-a-days some Mexican company.
> "Embarcadero, Carramba, si, si embargadero mi comprendo. Revoluzzioni
> grande ı CodeGear Mexico."
Giggle.
However, 'revoluzzione' would be Italian (been speaking to il Signore
Intersimone after all, hm?). The heirs of Pancho Villa would invite
you in for the Revolución. (-:
> What ever the company name currently is Aka Borland/ Embarcadero / Code
> Gear or what ever.
You forgot Inprise.
> They should just use standard news-technique, and
> make access there open to everyone. If they wish, they can then build
> something new over that, www-newsgroups or what ever.
> These easy to do and very basic news-operations should stay operational
> all the time.
And how will you make them? Let's get this straight, it would be _nice_
if they did that. But I don't believe everything's easy (if you still
do, I suggest you get a real job as a programmer, and talk to some
customers, and stick with any one project for as little as one year,
and try to keep it running well for all that time), and in the end
it's _their_ operation. Either volunteer to do it yourself, or vote
with your feet.
Groetjes,
Maarten Wiltink
a.s
>
> > got some e-mail from David Intersimone about Delphi-9, but I did not
> > even bother to read it.
>
> Fine. Nobody has a problem with that.
Multiply my frustration with 50.000 other Delphi VCL developers round
the globe. This gloomy cloud of frustated Delphi Clients could start
having impact. The Mexican head quarters may have noticed lame Delphi
upgrade development for some time now.
> It isn't 'embargo', it's 'embarcadero'. From the Spanish verb
> embarcar,
Yeah, the Spanish talking Mexicans. I love Mexican beer and the outlook
of those dark, latin senorita girls. But the Mexican software business
does not bring me any inborn positive thoughts.
Unfamiliar Embarcadero word brings me the word 'embargo', and that's it.
My thought is that the Mexican head quarters folks are previous
smugglers. For years their job position was to smuggle hi-technology,
and now have got their revenge over the Customs. They brought the
Embargo word from their earlier life and rebelliously put it to a name
of a publicly listed software company.
> The Embarcadero is a street across from San Francisco if I am not
> mistaken, where people, er, got onto ships.
If that really was the only street there is in SF then that's OK. If
there really is no other streets like 'Park Avenue', 'Main Street',
'Winner's Lane', 'Stone craft street' etc.
This above-mentioned Embarcadero Street gives a nice smoke screen for
the previous embargo symphaties. So the new 'CodeGear Embargo Corp.'
company could be established.
> You forgot Inprise.
Sorry, how could I have forgotten Inprise and Del Yokam who sold Borland
to Corel for a price of ham sandwich.
> I suggest you get a real job as a programmer, and talk to some
> customers, and stick with any one project for as little as one year,
> and try to keep it running well for all that time)
For one year?? I thought these were professional newsgroups!
I have been running our main product and project since 1996, and over
half a dozen other projects beside it. All the time talking with
customer needs, all the time changing to newer technologies, all the
time struggling with strange program faults and new Windows version
oddities etc. Carefully keeping all the balls up in the air so the
customer's vital systems and applications keep running day after day.
> it's _their_ operation. Either volunteer to do it yourself, or vote
> with your feet.
My feets would have voted and had voluntarily and eagerly taken me away
years and year ago. My own vote would have made me go and leave the
hassle behind me.
But the damn wife and some kids have a tight grab on my other foot and
throat. Those small strangler fingers seem to be enough to keep even a
full grown man grounded for good.
Me and Delphi-7 keep bringing pay checks home year after year.
Im runnning on wagons bearing 'endless software needs and requirements'
- 'resource and financial limits' - 'scheduling and budget requirements'
- 'family needs and family time' etc. Pulling this wagon is mostly heavy
as hell, but surprise even to me, it keeps going year after year.
But all the time I also find I am getting farther and farther away from
the sunny Mexico and Embargo Corporation guys there.
I have my problems here, and Embargo folks have their daily work trying
to keep one NNTP server up and running.
> Groetjes,
Yes, a Wiedersehen.
a.s
Maarten Wiltink
[...]
> I have my problems here, ...
But not yet lost your sense of humour.
It was a pleasure talking to you.
Groetjes,
Maarten Wiltink
Jud McCranie
(the IP address it gives) it times out.
Rudy Velthuis
> I can't get the newsgroups to work today. When I ping 207.105.75.32
> (the IP address it gives) it times out.
Wrong address anyway. Use forums.codegear.com, and nothing else. Do not
set any entries to it in your hosts file
(C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts) or some such, as someone might
have told you (IIRC, that was necessary in the early phases of the
beta).
The current IP of forums.codegear.com is 207.105.83.44. But currently,
only NNTP seems to work, the web forums are not responding. After all,
this is still in beta. <g>
--
Rudy Velthuis http://rvelthuis.de
"Death does not concern us, because as long as we exist, death is
not here. And when it does come, we no longer exist."
-- Epicurus.
Jud McCranie
<newsg...@rvelthuis.de> wrote:
>Wrong address anyway. Use forums.codegear.com, and nothing else.
OK, use that instead of newsgroups.borland.com, right?
Rudy Velthuis
> On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 23:35:54 +0200, "Rudy Velthuis"
> <newsg...@rvelthuis.de> wrote:
>
> > Wrong address anyway. Use forums.codegear.com, and nothing else.
>
> OK, use that instead of newsgroups.borland.com, right?
Newsgroups.borland.com is either dead or dying soon. <g>
http://dn.codegear.com/article/38435
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King Live
Jud McCranie
Dr J R Stockton
4all.nl>, Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:14:25, Maarten Wiltink
<maa...@kittensandcats.net> posted:
>> I am also worried that will Google be able and willing to archieve
>> this kind or "protected" Delphi news messages.
>
>Should it, even? It's not Usenet, it just uses the same technology
>(on one face). But the feed will leak, and it'll end up in DejaNews.
>I mean Google.
Something easier to spell than "embarcadero" would have been nicer.
AFAICS, the feed has not yet leaked, and Google has no embarcadero
groups - at least, none relevant to Delphi. But put "embarcadero" into
Google's "Find out what people are doing with Google Groups" and press
"Search for a group" - I found the result mildly amusing.
There's some activity in some borland.* groups, including Delphi,
visible on an ordinary News server.
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Web <URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/> - FAQish topics, acronyms, & links.
Usenet News services are currently unreliable; I may not see all articles here.
a.s
> But put "embarcadero" into
> Google's "Find out what people are doing with Google Groups" and press
> "Search for a group" -
I have never uses that kind of Groups seeks. So in shortly, is this the
link you are referreing to
http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?lnk=nhpsfg&q=embarcadero
> I found the result mildly amusing.
Is the funny part in it that there's actually is not much Delphi nor
program development links? Well, I am also slightly amused, but more
worried.
I regularly seek different tips from borland.public.delphi.* groups. I
wonder if Google will ever start archieving those funny 'Embargo
Homeowner' and 'Embargo Trajineras en Xochimilco' etc. newsgroups for us
poor code hackers:(
> Usenet News services are currently unreliable; I may not see all articles here.
In general I do not seem to miss anything, except those Mexican "still
in beta phase.." Embargo groups.
a.s