How many modula-3 users are out there?

[Karim_F]

Hello folks

I`ve read a bit in this usergroup and I`m curious how many activ
modula-3 users/programmers are out there in the world?
Is this language still activ teatched at universities or anywhere else?

I know pascal and even Ada is "popular" at universities. But never
heard of Modula-3.
Why should someone switch to modula-3 when there are better solutions
out there?
Have a look at the freepascal compiler.

Greetings Karim

[Pascal Bourguignon]

"Karim_F" <fab...@bluemail.ch> writes:
> I've read a bit in this usergroup and I'm curious how many activ
> modula-3 users/programmers are out there in the world?
> Is this language still activ teatched at universities or anywhere else?
>
> I know pascal and even Ada is "popular" at universities. But never
> heard of Modula-3.
> Why should someone switch to modula-3 when there are better solutions
> out there?

Indeed, indeed! IF there were better solutions out there...

Now why should someone keep using Pascal or even Ada when Modula-3 IS
a better solution out here.

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[Paul Vixie]

"Karim_F" <fab...@bluemail.ch> writes:

> Why should someone switch to modula-3 when there are better solutions
> out there?

you are presuming facts not in evidence. there is no better solution out
there. we all mostly use c or perl because good enough is the enemy of
the best.
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[Karim]

> Indeed, indeed! IF there were better solutions out there...

O.k no flame-war. Anyway, there are so much programming languages out
there and some are not activ anymore, or in other words, ..are dead. So
me question is why isn` t it Modula-3?

[Paul Vixie]

> O.k no flame-war. Anyway, there are so much programming languages out
> there and some are not activ anymore, or in other words, ..are dead. So
> me question is why isn` t it Modula-3?

Why isn't Modula-3 dead? Two reasons, one involving existing users, the
other involving newcomers. Existing users won't switch until something
takes Modula-3's place. (C++ isn't it, nor is any scripting language,
nor is any VM-style language like Java or .NET.) Newcomers will continue
to find Modula-3 intriguing because programs written in Modula-3 are very
pretty/readable, and in general if something looks like it should work,
it works.

If you want a deeper answer, you'll find it within yourself after you try
out Modula-3 for some small project. If that's too much work, then look
at the source code of "CVSup" and try to lay out a design for a similar
program in pretty much any other language, including scripting languages
or VM-style languages.
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[Christoph Schlegel]

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 03:23:57 -0700, Karim_F wrote:

> Hello folks
>
> I`ve read a bit in this usergroup and I`m curious how many activ
> modula-3 users/programmers are out there in the world?
> Is this language still activ teatched at universities or anywhere else?

I don't think asking for the number of active Modula-3 programmers in a
newsgroup will produce any usable results.

> I know pascal and even Ada is "popular" at universities. But never
> heard of Modula-3.
> Why should someone switch to modula-3 when there are better solutions
> out there?

You really should specify "better solution": solution for what?

> Have a look at the freepascal compiler.

None of the available Modula-3 compilers give you an environment like
Lazarus, that is true. Personally I use the Modula-languages because of
the clean and very readable output they make possible. Some things like
rudimentary GTK-support are available.

Christoph

[matthias...@gmx.de]

Hi!

I hope, I don't get on your nervs but I need help with installing a
Modula-3-compiler on my G4-PowerBook. Could you give me a clue where to
find a newsgroup or a web-address handling this topic? cm3 doesn't run
on my system (even not under linux).

Thank you!

[Izo]

I am using it on embedded StrongARM/linux based target and intel/linux
based PCs, as well as I am using Modula-2 and C/C++ since we have lots
of reusable and stable code. Everything works fine for me.

I have ported CM3 to armv4 arch., yet even while having access to the
CVSup, never found enough time to commit it.

Izo

[Mark Morss]

There is a small Modula 3 community but it isn't here. For the main
stream, you should see here: http://modula3.elegosoft.com/cm3/index.html

[Karim]

> There is a small Modula 3 community but it isn't here. For the main
> stream, you should see here: http://modula3.elegosoft.com/cm3/index.html

Great that there is also a more activ community.
But my questions were not answerd. How many programmers using M3?
Which Universities teach their students m3 ?

By the way, what is realy interesting: Are there open source or
commercial programs written in M3?
I know cvsup is a "m3 child" and I`m use it a lot on freebsd.
Any others you know?? Present your work please!
A "showcase" webpage would be great, where you can upload your M3 work.
Opensource or not. The webpage would present the whole M3 spectrum.
Written tools, bindings, drivers, deamons, games etc.. could have a
place there.
What you guys think about that idea?

[Christoph Schlegel]

Use the mailing lists:

http://modula3.elegosoft.com/cm3/mailing-lists.html

Or find information about platforms which are supported by the recently
released cm3 5.4 here:

http://modula3.elegosoft.com/cm3/cm3-5.4-status.html

I hope this helps -

Christoph

[matthias...@gmx.de]

Christoph Schlegel wrote:
>
> Use the mailing lists:
>
> http://modula3.elegosoft.com/cm3/mailing-lists.html
>
> Or find information about platforms which are supported by the recently
> released cm3 5.4 here:
>
> http://modula3.elegosoft.com/cm3/cm3-5.4-status.html
>
> I hope this helps -
>
> Christoph

Thanks, Christoph! I'll try!