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From: Pascal Bourguignon <p...@informatimago.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 04:26:41 +0200
Local: Mon, Jul 17 2006 10:26 pm
Subject: Re: Amazon used lisp & C exclusively?
Ken Tilton <kentil...@gmail.com> writes: Ah ah! So it's all about the money! You're angry with us, because > [...] > And who says the tools have to be vanished? An open question is where > Lisp environments now would be now if so many of you were not spinning > your wheels on free Lisps. Hell, a few of them are scraping by > anyway. If certain Lispniks had half a brain and simply bought a > commercial license, maybe franz could stop pricing ACL like hen's > teeth and ease up on their whacky licensing fees. > But nooooooooo, you geniuses have to save all that money and stagger Allegro is too expensive for you? You should speak to your representant and have him push for a law to make Allegro Lisp mandatory to any voting citizen! Then it could have it even cheaper than MS-Windows. -- Nobody can fix the economy. Nobody can be trusted with their finger You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Ken Tilton <kentil...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 01:11:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Amazon used lisp & C exclusively?
Do I detect progress?!
> You're angry with us, because Apparently not. I bought a license, and it may well be the best money i > Allegro is too expensive for you? ever spent. It cost a lot, but unlike you I am a serious software developer, so given my productivity with it, it cost me relative chump change. And that is puh-re-cisely the formula you and your fellow false economists will never parse. > You should speak to your Super. Then ACL would not install painlessly, nor ask me if it should > representant and have him push for a law to make Allegro Lisp > mandatory to any voting citizen! update itself automatically and how often, nor would I have patches within 24hrs of a bug/feature report. Nor would it come with a (now) astonishing project manager, nor a kazillion other features the yobbos will never deliver with their "free" Slime toy. :) Buh-rilliant. kenny -- "I'll say I'm losing my grip, and it feels terrific." You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Pascal Bourguignon <p...@informatimago.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 09:43:41 +0200
Local: Tues, Jul 18 2006 3:43 am
Subject: Re: Amazon used lisp & C exclusively?
So you're successful developing and selling proprietary software,
using proprietary tools. Good for you. Where and how did RMS impede your financial success? If you were bankrupt after having bought Allegro, with a nice -- PLEASE NOTE: Some quantum physics theories suggest that when the You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Nicolas Neuss <Nicolas.Ne...@iwr.uni-heidelberg.de>
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 07:00:30 +0200
Local: Tues, Jul 18 2006 1:00 am
Subject: Re: Amazon used lisp & C exclusively?
Ken Tilton <kentil...@gmail.com> writes: IMO this would only work if there would be no free alternatives for other > And who says the tools have to be vanished? An open question is where Lisp > environments now would be now if so many of you were not spinning your > wheels on free Lisps. Hell, a few of them are scraping by anyway. If > certain Lispniks had half a brain and simply bought a commercial license, > maybe franz could stop pricing ACL like hen's teeth and ease up on their > whacky licensing fees. languages around. Given that gcc and others exist I'm pretty sure that CL would be completely dead without the free options. > But nooooooooo, you geniuses have to save all that money and stagger along (I bought an ACL license and use it in parallel with CMUCL/SBCL.) > with crappy tools at a third my productivity, losing all that... oh. no, I > forgot, Stallman says your time has no value. Or that you are evil for > expecting anything for that value. Super. Nicolas. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Piotr Esden-Tempski <pi...@esden.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:47:03 +0200
Local: Tues, Jul 18 2006 5:47 am
Subject: Re: Amazon used lisp & C exclusively?
Nicolas Neuss wrote: I have to confirm that. If there were no SBCL and friends many people > Ken Tilton <kentil...@gmail.com> writes: >> And who says the tools have to be vanished? An open question is where Lisp > IMO this would only work if there would be no free alternatives for other including me would never even consider taking a glance at lisp. And the only way to keep lisp alive is getting new people to learn it. Perhups somewhere in the future I will consider a commercial Lisp I can only say hail free software. :) Cheers esden You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Piotr Esden-Tempski <pi...@esden.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:54:17 +0200
Local: Tues, Jul 18 2006 5:54 am
Subject: Re: Amazon used lisp & C exclusively?
Nicolas Neuss wrote: I have to confirm that. If there were no SBCL and friends many people > Ken Tilton <kentil...@gmail.com> writes: >> And who says the tools have to be vanished? An open question is where Lisp > IMO this would only work if there would be no free alternatives for other including me would never even consider taking a glance at lisp. And the only way to keep lisp alive is getting new people to learn it. Perhups somewhere in the future I will consider a commercial Lisp I know my implementation examples are all more or less common lisp. I can only say hail free software. :) Cheers esden You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Rajappa Iyer <r...@panix.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 01:04:17 -0700
Local: Tues, Jul 18 2006 4:04 am
Subject: Re: Amazon used lisp & C exclusively?
Ken Tilton <kentil...@gmail.com> writes: That's your hypothesis. It is unfalsifiable and unprovable. The > And who says the tools have to be vanished? An open question is where > Lisp environments now would be now if so many of you were not spinning > your wheels on free Lisps. Hell, a few of them are scraping by > anyway. If certain Lispniks had half a brain and simply bought a > commercial license, maybe franz could stop pricing ACL like hen's > teeth and ease up on their whacky licensing fees. evidence, however, seems to completely belie it. Cf. cc vs. gcc on Unix. In any case, it's a poor businessperson who whines "if only the market rsi You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Tim X <t...@nospam.dev.null>
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:45:08 +1000
Local: Wed, Jul 19 2006 3:45 am
Subject: Re: Amazon used lisp & C exclusively?
Rajappa Iyer <r...@panix.com> writes: Ah, but your overlooking the need that some people have to be able to > In any case, it's a poor businessperson who whines "if only the market blame their lack of wealth and success on someone rather than possibly acknowledge they may have had a contributing part in their lack of success - its much easier to externalise the causes for not becoming insanely wealthy than admit you may simply just not had what was needed. Personally, I get great comfort knowing that most of those who worship Tim -- You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Pascal Bourguignon <p...@informatimago.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:19:49 +0200
Local: Wed, Jul 19 2006 4:19 am
Subject: Re: Amazon used lisp & C exclusively?
Tim X <t...@nospam.dev.null> writes: Ok. But having so many scapegoats misleading. Couldn't we agree > Rajappa Iyer <r...@panix.com> writes: >> In any case, it's a poor businessperson who whines "if only the market > Ah, but your overlooking the need that some people have to be able to worldwide on one distinguished scapegoat? I'd propose Pluto, the planet. It's the Pluto's fault. So when we get really badly vindicatory, we can build spaceships to go there attack Pluto. "Earth Attacks!" > Personally, I get great comfort knowing that most of those who worship -- > financial wealth over all else usually end up disappointed, despite the fact it > gives the false illusion life is somehow fair and we get what we deserve. > Tim > -- __Pascal Bourguignon__ http://www.informatimago.com/ PUBLIC NOTICE AS REQUIRED BY LAW: Any use of this product, in any You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Larry Elmore <ljelmo...@comcast.net>
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 06:31:08 -0500
Local: Wed, Jul 19 2006 7:31 am
Subject: Re: Amazon used lisp & C exclusively?
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