LISP - CommonLisp / Scheme - Differences
ilias
the differences between Scheme and Common Lisp?
Peter Lewerin
> Can someone point me to a (if possible short) document which explains
> the differences between Scheme and Common Lisp?
From Google I got (among others):
<URL:
http://dept-info.labri.u-bordeaux.fr/~strandh/Teaching/MTP/Common/Strandh-Tutorial/diff-scheme.html>
<URL: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/novak/schemevscl.html>
<URL: http://jaderholm.com:2222/scott/38>
<URL: http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~topramen/exploring.html#Common>
ilias
i've read them.
scheme makes no sense.
all lisp-dialects => common lisp.
scheme not.
scheme = the most stubborn lispers.
at least it looks so.
anyway.
Feuer
> i've read them.
>
> scheme makes no sense.
>
> all lisp-dialects => common lisp.
>
> scheme not.
>
> scheme = the most stubborn lispers.
>
> at least it looks so.
>
> anyway.
You are an idiot. Common Lisp is only one of a number of Lisps,
though more popular than most. Scheme may or may not be a Lisp
(it is a call-by-value impure untyped/unitype functional language
with s-expression syntax, macro systems, a special top-level
environment, and letrec), but it derives directly from Lisp, was
invented in large part by the creator of Common Lisp, and is generally
considered a Lisp.
David
ilias
> ilias wrote:
>
>
>>i've read them.
>>
>>scheme makes no sense.
>>
>>all lisp-dialects => common lisp.
>>
>>scheme not.
>>
>>scheme = the most stubborn lispers.
>>
>>at least it looks so.
>>
>>anyway.
>
>
> You are an idiot.
you've uncovered me.
> Common Lisp is only one of a number of Lisps,
Common Lisp is the "stop-this-desaster-you-stubborn-kids-lisp"
LISP dialects unified.
> though more popular than most. Scheme may or may not be a Lisp
> (it is a call-by-value impure untyped/unitype functional language
> with s-expression syntax, macro systems, a special top-level
> environment, and letrec),
funny things all this.
> but it derives directly from Lisp,
aha.
> was invented in large part by the creator of Common Lisp,
who is that?
> and is generally considered a Lisp.
Scheme is simply redundant.
It should be a subset of ANSI Common Lisp.
ilias
> the effective pretext that he's trying to "learn Lisp" but based on
> loudly trumpeting his misunderstandings of the ANSI standard as being
> /errors/ in the standard.
i'd like to ask you to not spread missinformation and to not discredit
my person.
what you are stating above is simply a form of: this guy lies.
whatever i do in c.l.l. was publically anounced in c.l.l.
i'm assimilating the best of lisp, throwing away its garbage (means:
avoid to use/learn the parts that i detect as irrelevant, redundant etc.).
>
> The bizarre part is that he apparently doesn't really know much of the
> language, but heads to some of the most abstruse edges to find what he
> regards as 'errors in the language.'
>
> If he visited Scheme, I'm sure that call/cc and some of the more
> perverse lambda function forms would prove "grist for the mill."
>
> And unlike the disputes that occasionally take place over what the
> pathological contents of lists ought to be (the "Bushnell
> controversy"), where know that the people involved in the dispute are
> knowledgeable as they have actually /written/ Scheme implementations,
> you'd get bald statements like
>
>
>>>i've read them.
>>>
>>>scheme makes no sense.
>>
>
> And if you respond to that the least bit unkindly, you'll get accused
> of "not being friendly."
>
> What we need is a visit from Olin Shivers...
> <http://www.ai.mit.edu/~shivers/autoweapons.html>
>
> "I had recent occasion to view your Presentation Announcement on care
> and feeding of automatic weapons during lecture hall. I found it most
> amusing. I would very much like to see and/or contribute future
> material.
>
> We have similar problems here at Berkeley, though it has been
> difficult to wean our students away from more the more mundane
> assortment of Browning Hi-Power's, Beretta 92SBF's and Sig-Sauer
> P226's. The 9mm clique is pretty strong here, and the young grad
> students fairly parsimonious. They tend to balk at the idea of
> spending enough money on ammo to make full auto firefights
> practical. Lately, they've taken to sniping at each other from the
> Campanile tower and engaging in loose hit-and-run guerrilla tactics
> during finals. This is obviously not the American Way and needs to be
> changed. While I've been able to slowly wean them into more
> progressive arms (such as the Beretta 93R and an occasional mini-uzi),
> I still can't seem to get past the supply problem.
>
> My questions are:
>
> "Do you buy your ammo in bulk, or do appointed individuals do shifts
> on a progressive reloader?"
>
> "Does the school pay for this?"
>
> :-)
Tim Bradshaw
> It should be a subset of ANSI Common Lisp.
call/cc.
I advise anyone who reads cls without reading cll and is considering
getting into a discussion with Ilias to have a quick search on Google
groups
(http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_ugroup=comp.lang.lisp&as_uauthors=ilias&lr=&num=100&as_scoring=d&hl=en)
for his postings in cll to see what kind of thing you are likely to
get into.
This has been a public service announcement.
--tim